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[FireFox]

I would say only this if in Monday even the viz translation is the same as the MP & MS one then :

 

HERE LIES SS A SHIP THAT HAS NEVER EVEN TASTED THE SEA FOREVER ON DRY LAND .

[ramenanmitsu]

With this logic, yeah! But I still find it antagonistic. I mean brothers don't go anhilating their sisters! And again its weird since, Sakura sometime did love Sasuke XD

It's much less weird compared to an adolescent brother trying to peek his adolescent sister in the hot springs, introducing his sister as a girlfriend to his own father and trying to ask his sister on a date every chance he's got, and the sister confessing her love to her brother in the crowd.

Pfft, a 13 year old young girl's fangirling to her cool brother is much more acceptable.






Sorry I just kittening HATED the NS are siblings argument! *runs out of breath*

I'm gonna drink some water and calm down.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 10 May 2014 - 03:12 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Man, the hypocrisy has become thick in entire Naruto fandom.

Okay, for a long time people have been trying to cram down my throat that Sakura has always genuinely loved Sasuke since the beginning. "She has always loved Sasuke romantically and she she wants him back." The NS fans believed her love was only a shallow crush at best and there was no basis for it. She had feelings for him, but it wasn't that strong because she didn't know him. For a long time, as long as I can remember reading this manga, people keep telling me that since part 1 Sakura's love for Sasuke was genuine and pure and strong.
 
Now when this chapter comes out and Kakashi questions Sakura's love for Sasuke and comment how it changed, all of a sudden everyone is saying "Well, in Part 1 it was only a crush and it wasn't that strong, but now Kakashi says it is "genuine and she now truly in love with him." Am I the only one that sees a problem with this logic? Right when they are proven wrong about Sakura's feelings, they flip their whole story and say that they are just stronger now because they never were that strong to begin with?

That's why i disregard this theory when they bought up.
 

I am just...flabbergasted. People want to argue ambiguity saying that well "If Kakashi meant she was not in love with Sasuke, he could have just said that straight forward." I'd argue he could have said it the other way too. Why not just have Kakashi say "Well, you were only a kid having a crush back then, but now you are a woman with true love in your heart for him."

My only concern with Kakashi's quote, is how he based off his opinion, if he saw SS interaction and says that her feelings diminished because of the killing attempts, for me it has the same validity as Sai explaining Sakura's actions to Naruto, because that would tell me that Kakashi was expecting Sakura to fangirl over Sasuke and just cuz she didnt fangirled he made a statement that her feelings are changed.

The flashback of showing her fangirling and then cut out to her and Sasuke.

If he based his opinion on NS interactions and Sakura's development then i would take it as valid.
 

What kind of love did Sakura have for Sasuke in the beginning because now all of a sudden everyone is changing their minds about it. Even the NS here are saying now that it was only a child crush that got stronger.

NS always said that she has a child crush but from spectator perspective, the problem is that the manga and Sakura himself acknowledges as love and the type of genuine one.
It doesnt have foundations to be as a genuine love but the manga portraited it as a strong love whom is difficult for her to get over with.

While I also believe is a childish crush and even Hinata who has some kind of infatuation with Naruto but the manga and Kishi portrays as genuine love, and my only option is to deal with it just like NH/SS has to deal with the fact Kushina was paralleled with Sakura.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 10 May 2014 - 03:20 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's much less weird compared to an adolescent brother trying to peek his adolescent sister in the hot springs, introducing his sister as a girlfriend to his own father and trying to ask his sister on a date every chance he's got, and the sister confessing her love to her brother in the crowd.
Pfft, a 13 year old young girl's fangirling to her cool brother is much more acceptable.
Sorry I just kittening HATED the NS are siblings argument! *runs out of breath*
I'm gonna drink some water and calm down.

Yes. You must. Lol.

Oh I got an idea for future reference. It all depends on this upcoming hype of a raw chapter.

[咲耶姫]

I would say only this if in Monday even the viz translation is the same as the MP & MS one then :

 

HERE LIES SS A SHIP THAT HAS NEVER EVEN TASTED THE SEA FOREVER ON DRY LAND .

What is VIZ scans and what makes it more reliable than any other scans? If it is the offical american translation then it doesn't mean it is more accurate, remember the "don't go for the first that comes in your way" and I'm not even talking about the french translation of Kakashi's explanation about byakugan during the chuunin test, implying that he was related to the Hyuuga. Proving that professional translation are not always better than fan's translations.

Edited by 咲耶姫, 10 May 2014 - 03:20 PM.

[FireFox]

It's much less weird compared to an adolescent brother trying to peek his adolescent sister in the hot springs, introducing his sister as a girlfriend to his own father and trying to ask his sister on a date every chance he's got, and the sister confessing her love to her brother in the crowd.

Pfft, a 13 year old young girl's fangirling to her cool brother is much more acceptable.






Sorry I just kittening HATED the NS are siblings argument! *runs out of breath*

I'm gonna drink some water and calm down.

As well as the NS is abusive relationship there is no discussion with out the opposite bringing this two "arguments" up 

What is VIZ scans and what makes it more reliable than any other scans? If it is the offical american translation then it doesn't mean it is more accurate, remember the "don't go for the first that comes in your way" and I'm not even talking about the french translation of Kakashi's explanation about byakugan during the chuunin test, implying that he was related to the Hyuuga. Proving that professional translation are not always better than fan's translations.

French translation said WHAT!!!! 

 

Yes I understand that i just meant it that even if viz is the same as the other two than SS should just give up since i can't see how all of this 3 translations can be so wrong but the SS one with no source is the right one   , but i understand what you meant point taken .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 10 May 2014 - 03:31 PM.

[narusaku256]

It's much less weird compared to an adolescent brother trying to peek his adolescent sister in the hot springs, introducing his sister as a girlfriend to his own father and trying to ask his sister on a date every chance he's got, and the sister confessing her love to her brother in the crowd.

Pfft, a 13 year old young girl's fangirling to her cool brother is much more acceptable.






Sorry I just kittening HATED the NS are siblings argument! *runs out of breath*

I'm gonna drink some water and calm down.

You do have a point here XD

[James S Cassidy]

That's why i disregard this theory when they bought up.
 
My only concern with Kakashi's quote, is how he based off his opinion, if he saw SS interaction and says that her feelings diminished because of the killing attempts, for me it has the same validity as Sai explaining Sakura's actions to Naruto, because that would tell me that Kakashi was expecting Sakura to fangirl over Sasuke and just cuz she didnt fangirled he made a statement that her feelings are changed.

The flashback of showing her fangirling and then cut out to her and Sasuke.

If he based his opinion on NS interactions and Sakura's development then i would take it as valid.
 
NS always said that she has a child crush but from spectator perspective, the problem is that the manga and Sakura himself acknowledges as love and the type of genuine one.
It doesnt have foundations to be as a genuine love but the manga portraited it as a strong love whom is difficult for her to get over with.

While I also believe is a childish crush and even Hinata who has some kind of infatuation with Naruto but the manga and Kishi portrays as genuine love, and my only option is to deal with it just like NH/SS has to deal with the fact Kushina was paralleled with Sakura.

 

For once I actually agree with you Dark.

Thing is, to me, this whole scene is anti-SS and expresses that Sakura's feelings have change because no other reasoning makes sense. Whether words wise or context wise, there is no way for it to be pro-SS and still make sense.

[Gojira]

I would say only this if in Monday even the viz translation is the same as the MP & MS one then :
 
HERE LIES SS A SHIP THAT HAS NEVER EVEN TASTED THE SEA FOREVER ON DRY LAND .

I hear some people say the viz translation is actually not as accurate as the fan ones.

At any rate does someone her read the viz translations? Hopefully they can upload the pages here so we can confirm what it says.

Edited by Pepsi, 10 May 2014 - 04:49 PM.

[Inferno180]

At this point its either a translation issue or kishi really made things more confusing than it could have been,

 

As I said before, the whole aspect of it somehow increases just makes more of a puzzle in this situation and almost runs counter to how he already displayed SS events just being well, antagonistic on her and it really makes some ask just how does this turn to meaning and reason even for the story when its just been so, static when its also been said to have changed. That side of it somehow increasing just goes to the point of its either a contradictory statement or leaves a statement with no given answers for just how did it increase? The decreased side, though saying its easier, it is a very easy statement to follow up with stuff like distrust and well sakura maturing past her idealistic love and we can otherwise say well those old feelings were just things she felt and just simple character progression, she wouldnt have these feelings in the end they would have to change, but changing somehow to increased just brings us back to a whole bigger problem of just how the heck does this fit then if its been something thats just shown so conflictive and static on her part, its almost like its a regression on her character to have had an idealistic love which the character herself had for her own reasons, not even knowing something about the guy, to the point its been antagonistic and hard on her, only to somehow become constructive and somehow better? Its basically that people are arguing somehow sakuras feelings were built more off of an idealistic one, despite the author also just showing how much pain the love has caused her, rather than display her maturing, its an act in which she thought she loved him to really loving him despite still not even growing with him in any mutual way? This is like a more convoluted reason for love than any of the crappy twilight or cheesy disney romances.

 

I mean Sakuras love was idealistic, that is proven, but for it to change to something more, basically if her idealistic love was just her views and she didnt know the guy, its argued that basically she came to really love him off these ideals from that previous love she herself learned were not fully true and somehow, despite all the pain and conflict he has caused her and naruto that she somehow built a larger love and that now the author would be hinting that she loves him more despite all this?

 

Again, you wont see this problem on the decreased side, this is part of what I mean, but this is the feeling I'm getting from the its increased argument. I mean on the decreased side, there is sense in the argument of her only caring for him as a friend/old comrade in ways similar to naruto, believing he can be redeemed, that there is hope for him, that still makes sense. Even if this other increased argument was true, it doesn't grant SS no questions asked, I mean there were still plenty of problems even by story design and lack of development it still couldn't solve. Sakura is still a changing character no matter what the real answer is, as she continues to change with both naruto and sasuke and well, yes that mistrust is still around and some conflict will come between team 7 and sasuke again, otherwise this would have been the last arc and there wouldn't have been some other motive but maybe it could also just be that deal of kishi trying to not be as direct as he was with 469? People thought NS ended there then Kushina and her foreshadow came in and last year 631 came hinting NS so despite what has happened, even as much as people have made a deal over this translation/tenses issue, it doesn't change NS or decrease it in the least. But still, that argument for it to increase, it just keeps making more puzzling issues than answers, unless kishi only wants it to be kakashis view as suspecting something to differ from sais, theres a lot of puzzling issues with this its increased statement.

[咲耶姫]

I hear some people say the vix translation is actually not as accurate as the fan ones.

At any rate does someone her read the viz translations? Hopefully they can upload the pages here so we can confirm what it says.

Is VIZ translation the official translation translated by professional and sent in book shop in America? Why would it be more reliable? I also heard it was not that accurate.

[ramenanmitsu]

Yes. You must. Lol.
Oh I got an idea for future reference. It all depends on this upcoming hype of a raw chapter.

STOP BEING MYSTERIOUS AND TELL US ALREADY!!

[James S Cassidy]

Is VIZ translation the official translation translated by professional and sent in book shop in America? Why would it be more reliable? I also heard it was not that accurate.

 

The VIZ translation is basically the American publisher of Naruto.

Out of all the translations I have ever seen over the years...I still say mangapanda is the closest to the real meaning. This is even coming from neutral fans I know who translate the same pages.

[ramenanmitsu]

Isn't VIZ the one that translated Kushina's "find a girl like your mother" to "don't choose the first girl that comes your way" ?

I always thought that VIZ was a lot more biased than the other translations like MS or MP.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 10 May 2014 - 03:40 PM.

[咲耶姫]

 

The VIZ translation is basically the American publisher of Naruto.

Out of all the translations I have ever seen over the years...I still say mangapanda is the closest to the real meaning. This is even coming from neutral fans I know who translate the same pages.

I think that fans translations are more accurate and closer to the real sentence (pairing war aside, I'm talking about manga overall), and there is one reason, it is that thoses translations are made by fans for fans, while the professionals are doing their job, so they are more focused on doing good sentences, gramatically good and all, and it lead them to being sometimes very far from what the sentence was saying in japanese.

@ramenanmitsu: Yes, it's them.

Edited by 咲耶姫, 10 May 2014 - 03:40 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

I think that fans translations are more accurate and closer to the real sentence (pairing war aside, I'm talking about manga overall), and there is one reason, it is that thoses translations are made by fans for fans, while the professionals are doing their job, so they are more focused on doing good sentences, gramatically good and all, and it lead them to being sometimes very far from what the sentence was saying in japanese.

@ramenanmitsu: Yes, it's them.

 

That's why I prefer MangaPanda above all. While it is true there is no direct translation for Japanese and it is hard to translate from it to English, MP is probably the closest with probably a 2% margin of error.

 

At this point its either a translation issue or kishi really made things more confusing than it could have been,

 

Or it's the fans unable to accept the reality they are in.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 10 May 2014 - 03:42 PM.

[Inferno180]

Even if it is increased love, despite how crazy that would be,

 

I'd say the whole aspect of change is the eventual answer to events not to mention, theres still plenty of more reason and merit for NS to come. I mean again, this doesn't solve SS lack of development.Thats the main advantage NS will otherwise always have at this point and as said before, she continues to change in regards to both of them, otherwise if it wasn't to be hinted, there wouldn't have been elements like kushinas foreshadow, 631 building this, and 663 where we know who sakura is going to support if the conflict really is over hokage. Even if its increased, there still plenty saying NS has more potential to come. Its almost insane to think kishi would otherwise just place stuff there to not use it and just keep a static element from the start as the long term result that never had any merit in the regards to the rest of sakura's development like as if nothing changed. But as I said, theres still plenty on the NS side to suggest otherwise that things can change even if the increased crazy answer somehow is real. Otherwise if its decreased, well case closed.

 

I only say the if answers because well, fans being fans us included made an issue out of it and are waiting on the raw, but I'm still on the side of it decreased because, theres just a lot of fallacies with the increased side as said before and as many of us agree with, it just doesnt make sense how it could have become something more after all the events in the story and other junk thats happened.

Edited by Inferno180, 10 May 2014 - 03:45 PM.

[shisui]

???

Genuine as in genuine friendship you mean?

 

Friendship isn't equal ground. For my theory to work, it has to be genuine love. At some point, she'll realise she's in love with Naruto too. Two different types of romantic loves and she'll chose between them on equal grounds. One that is unstable and one that is stable. It brings a strong message and there is so silver medal or 'what ifs' arguments.
 

 

They aren't even siblings! What kind of a brother tries to stab his sister, that too not one but two times!

 

You'd be surprised.

 

 

Naruto considers Sasuke as a sibling though. If Sakura is together with Naruto on the journey to save Sasuke, she might as well think of him like a brother too (since Naruto and Sakura are basically the same).

 

This may happen after she choses.

[TouKen4Life3g]

STOP BEING MYSTERIOUS AND TELL US ALREADY!!

  
Lol sorry, the waiting game is my name.

Isn't VIZ the one that translated Kushina's "find a girl like your mother" to "don't choose the first girl that comes your way" ?
I always thought that VIZ was a lot more biased than the other translations like MS or MP.

They still kept that first line, just tweak the don't part.

[MangaReader]

 

That's why I prefer MangaPanda above all. While it is true there is no direct translation for Japanese and it is hard to translate from it to English, MP is probably the closest with probably a 2% margin of error.

Other then my lack of income at the moment... (*sign*) This is the reason I don't purchase the manga by choice (I bought Shonen Jump from time to time). VIZ was always weird about their translations