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#861 kirabook

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 03:59 AM

1. So you must love someone to save them? If Naruto didn't love Hinata, would he sit there and watch her die? Because he doesn't love her? She's still his friend, he's not going to let her die. That's a silly argument.

2. Naruto hasn't let go of Sakura, but he doesn't seriously advance on her either. It's obvious he still loves her and probably always will, just like Jiraiya. But he won't actually advance on her because he believes she's in love with Sasuke. Letting go and not advancing on are 2 different things.

3. There's nothing wrong with comparing NaruSaku to other pairings. Sakura is a tsundere and Naruto is a cliche manga hero. There are many said characters in many mangas with similar dynamics that they have. Not only does this person contradict themselves right after saying that, other pairing shippers compare Hinata to other characters like ChiChi much more often.

4. I don't think it's so much of "opposites attract" as it is actual comparability and actually interacting with the person the characters fall in love with. Minato not only saved Kushina from kidnappers, he was also the only man at that point to compliment her hair, which she felt really bad about. Of course, we haven't seen their other interactions, but when Kushina said, "This is the first argument you've ever won", it shows that they are an actual couple. They have their ups and downs, arguments and make ups, otherwise, not a fantasy couple that has no development whatsoever yet already love each other.

5. 540 did not show that Sakura only loves Sasuke. Think of it this way. Your mother comes up to you and says, "You're such a good student. You could never get a bad grade on a test could you?" What's the first thing you're going to think about? One of your bad test scores that your mother probably doesn't know about. Just like how Sasuke is a love interest of Sakura's that that love-nin probably didn't know about. We don't know much about Sakura's thought process when it comes to Sasuke other than brief images of him occasionally or vague statements that don't really prove or disprove anything. But it does add to the tension.

6. Naruto's goals are to become Hokage and make everyone recognize him, surpass all his previous sensei's and his parents, and lastly, return Sasuke.
But it's not too far fetched to say he will also surpass Jiraiya who was never able to get the girl he loved. It think it's been hinted at enough Just like the Naruto is going to bring back Sasuke when Jiraiya couldn't bring back Orochimaru foreshadowing.
And making "Get Sakura!" as a goal sounds.... shallow. If it happens it happens because they interacted like normal people, not some kind of checklist Naruto has plastered on his wall. He might have done that kind of silly thing when he was younger, but his goals are much more real now and Sakura is rightly not on the list. She's not a 'goal' to be accomplished.

7. Shounen doesn't need romance, but if Kishi was going into the no romance direction, there wouldn't be love triangle after love triangle. He has developed NaruSaku already, so in his manga, development is most likely required unless it is 2 minor characters getting together. But heck, even Asuma and Kurenai had little hints and nudges.

8. Hinata is nothing like Minato other than the calmness. She extremely lacks that when around Naruto anyway. Minato has always been confident in his abilities as a ninja, which is proven when he announced he would be Hokage during academy, unlike Hinata who considered herself a huge failure and Naruto one as well. Naruto and Kushina are alike, but that's a given. Naruto inherited his father's hair and eyes and his mother's face and personality. Sakura's personality isn't exactly like Kushina's persay, but they still are tsundere women, had a similar childhood of teasing, and have the instinct to punch first, talk later. XD The usual comical gag.

9. This could be argued for both sides, but I reject it a bit at the same time. She said, "Find someone like me, not a weird one" or something highly similar. Can love be classified as weird? If so, I think the stalkerish character that watches the person she loves suffer from loneliness for years would be considered a weird lover.

10. Sakura is obviously conflicted just from her facial expression. I already explained before on how she'll think of the bad one before the good one, and we never actually read/hear what Sakura is thinking during this moment. We can't make too many assumptions about it other than Sakura feels conflicted/bad for loving/having loved Sasuke.

11. Sakura broke the POAL because it was hurting more than helping. Naruto was doing too much just to bring Sasuke back for her. I think this person has forgotten the 4 tails incident when she cried after realizing how much Naruto was hurting himself just to keep his promise to her. I'm positive this realization has been festering inside for a while. Sakura made her proclamation when Naruto wasn't in control, he didn't hear it, and I don't remember it ever being brought up again.

12. We don't really know this, Naruto never denied Sakura loving him, he denied Sakura not caring/loving Sasuke. Naruto can be dense, but I have a feeling he at least has a clue now that Sakura has some feelings for him. Enough that she went on a dangerous mission all on her own to try and kill Sasuke because she didn't want Naruto to do it anymore.

13. Uh.... *doesn't remember this*

14. Pairing development can be positive or negative, it's still development. Not everyone gets along perfectly, and a couple is more realistic if they have up and down. Again, I refer to Kushina mentioning the arguments her and Minato had.

15. Sasuke does not love Sakura and never did. Naruto was more of Sasuke's friend than Sakura was. Both of them were finally starting to break through his revenge scheme and become true friends and strong teammates until the events that we all already know about. Sasuke cared about Sakura and Naruto at one point in time, but he doesn't right now. Added onto that, Sasuke is practically asexual. And I don't want to hear the "restore my clan" excuse. He was obviously going to do that when he was older. He was 12 when he said that for gods sake.

16. I don' t think Sakura actually wants to BE with Sasuke, but she probably still does love him.

17. Naruto's feelings are obviously serious unless you call training and nearly killing himself multiple times with Kyuubi chakra just to bring back Sasuke for the POAL, rejecting Jiraiya's warning to leave Sasuke be, setting his life goal when he was 12 years old to get Sasuke back for Sakura, and standing back and withholding his love proclamation for Sakura just because he feels he hasn't completed his promise to her just silly flirting. Flirting sure is getting more dangerous these days.

18. At least he didn't say "Hinata deserves him". You know, I really hate the term "deserves" used in any pairing argument. Characters and people don't "deserve" one another, they work it out and are actually together and then they become a pair.

19. If proclaiming that a minor character with little panel time and nearly faints every time she see's her crush is THE one who will get with the main character isn't called speculation....


Kakashi reads perverted books all day and I think he still blushed at that scene. It obviously meant something. th_tongue.gif
Sakura wasn't a medic that day, she wash just hanging out with Naruto and decided to help him out. It might not have been completely romantic, but it was very touching and obviously a bit out of the norm or not something normally done between friends judging by Naruto's reaction.

The Yamato scene is obvious. Not even going to touch that one. He was upset because she lied at the beginning of her confession. Everyone she knows knows that she still likes and cares for Sasuke in someway. Starting off with a lie is not a good way to confess to someone, even if you do love them. It was probably a bit of a mistake, but no one is perfect.

If I hugged my actual brother that way, it'd be considered incest. wot.gif My brother has never broken his arm or anything, but I haven't fed him or anyone else unless they were infants. I also do not confess romantic love to my brother. That is also incest.

Right now, what could Sasuke possibly do to make Sakura happy? Stab her a few times until she says she likes it? -not really- Honestly, I feel Sasuke is like some unreachable goal. You think you really want it, but you slowly realize it's not what you want and it's no good to continue wanting it. I feel Sakura is about in that stage right now, the slowly realizing it's no good to continue wanting it.

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 04:25 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ May 20 2012, 02:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey guys. I spent the last few days on another forum debating NaruSaku and NaruHina. She was I guess a SasuSaku shipper that said NaruSaku was dead and NaruHina is more likely. This is what they said:

1. Naruto likes Hinata judging by when he rescued her.
2. Naruto let go of Sakura because she loves Sasuke.
3. You can't compare NS to other people because their all different. Using parallels shows desparation
4. Kishimoto is fond of "opposties attract" couples like Minato/Kushina
5. 540 showed that Sakura only sees Sasuke as a love interest. She isn't ashamed because she accepts who she is and will always love Sasuke.
6. Naruto never giving up on Sakura is invalid because she isn't one of his important goals.
7. NH doesn't need development because this is a shonen and doesn't need romance.
8. MinaKushi is both a parallel to NaruHina too if you replace Kushina with Naruto and Hinata with Minato
9. When Kushina said "Find someone like me" she meant find someone who loves him like she does, not personality-wise.
10. Sakura is only capable of loving Sasuke. If she was truly conflicted between Naruto and Sasuke than Naruto would have also appeared in 540 in shadow if she really didn't know what she feels for him. The manga does not show her confused or conflicted.
11. Killing Sasuke was all for Sasuke, not Naruto.
12. Naruto knows Sakura doesn't love him. He understands her better than anyone.
13. When pictured his friends, Hinata was right up there with Sakura so his feelings changed. She was turned away because she's naturally shy
14. NS is negative on Sakura's character and goes against it( Me: laugh.gif )
15. Sakura filled up Sasuke's lonely existence which proves he did love her.
16. Sakura still wants to be with Sasuke romantically. 540 shows this.
17. Naruto's feelings aren't serious. It's just innocent flirting. Hinata and Sakura are more serious.
18. Hinata won't be rejected. It's clear to me Naruto will get with her. Naruto's feelings aren't exactly clear anyways.
19. NS is just speculation and wishful thinking

I mentioned the NS moments to her but this is what she said. 1st Hug: Sakura hugged Naruto because he's her dear friend and she doesn't wnat him hurt. The crowd that was blushing in the background doesn't mean anything. Feeding Scene: It's Sakura's duty to help others. She's a medic after all and the only reason Sakura had her fist clenched then was because she was annoyedd with Sai and Naruto for fooling around. It wasn't romantic Yamto's unfinished sentence: During Sakura's confession, Yamato was angry so he obviously didn't mean what you think he did. Confession: Kiba was angry and Lee was facepalming. Sakura views Naruto as a brother and she doesn't have romantic feelings for her. This person claims she's a Sakura fan and wants Sakura happy which is why she said Sakura should be with Sasuke since she loves him and not Naruto. According to her, NS has no romantic development while NH and SS do. Can someone please prove these assumptions wrong ESPECIALLY 9, 8, and 10? I don't believe any of this but I find 9, 8, and 10 really hard to go against sad.gif

What manga has she been reading? All 1-19 is just fanfiction that NH/SS wrote.

Lets have a look at them shale we:

1. He saved both Sakura and Hinata in the same chapter, back to back. I recall him smiling at both of them, but he only gave the "-chan" at the end of Sakura's name. He still feels the same way about his love interest.
2. He didn't let go of anything, your not Kishimoto. Else, why has he always loved Sakura, and why is he still only giving her the "-chan". It's because she is the closest woman/girl to him.
3. You say we can't compare. Why not? Kushina said "find someone like me", so of course we can compare. Your the desperate one for saying we can't compare.
4. Minato and Kushina aren't the same, but they aren't really different either. If they were the same, that would be creepy. Plus, when comparing Minato/Kushina, your not suppose to compare anybody with Minato. Minato never told Naruto to find a girl like himself, that would be... sick. (plus Hinata isn't like Minato, stop looking at fanfiction)
5. If she liked who she was, then why is she pushing herself every time she sees someone else trying. She is going through something called "character development". She cries just thinking about it. Kishimoto made her out to be a "normal" girl. He even said it himself. She is chasing the cruel but handsome guy, but as she grows into a woman, she finds where true love really lies. That's Naruto. If you were really a Sakura fan, you would see that Sakura is suffering because of her lifestyle.
6. She is not his goal, true. Doesn't mean a man won't go for what makes his heart skip a beat.
7. Wow, no development, just happen? This isn't a child's cartoon, everything dynamic needs a reason, and more than one reason in most cases, especially one like this.
8. (look back at #4)
9. Wow... you make it sound like Sakura's feelings for Naruto haven't grown into something more than friendship/brother. Through all the times where she blushed at something romantic between them. After Yamato's unfinished sentence... you're not Kishimoto, you can't change the open truth on something because it makes you mad.
10. Lie again? Okay. Not confused you say. Not confused about the whole love triangle? Okay lets see here *looks at Naruto #3 databook* OH LOOKY HEEERRREEE! You're wrong... BAKA!
11. Then why did she go to Naruto, before attempting it? She couldn't do it, because he was a part of team 7. Not only would she never forgive herself, but it would be a huge "HEY NARUTO, SAKURA DOESN"T BELIEVE IN YOUR PROMISE!".
12. Did he openly say that? No. It sounded like he did when he said "I hate people who lie to themselves", but he was talking about the part where she said she got over Sasuke.
13. I don't recall that happening in manga, only in the anime ending, but even though, it won't matter. It was his friends, not just Sakura and Hinata. This show isn't all about pairings, it's about "The Tale of the Naruto Uzumaki and friends".
14. How is it negative? SS is negative on her character! Sasuke is the guy who tried to kill her, hurt her, and make her feel bad. Naruto is her biggest supporter. He is always trying to be the hero, always making sure she understands team 7 isn't going away for good. While Sasuke is trying to end their bond. He even said it himself. If anything. SS will make Sakura have no character development. I swear your getting your information from a fan fiction.
15. He cared for her, and he loved her are two different things. Naruto filled it up too, and I'm pretty sure that Sasuke didn't love Naruto. Same with Kakashi, and maybe a little few of the other genin.
16. (look back at #10)
17. Not serious? But he made a promise of a LIFETIME. You don't do that to any normal person. Not with "never give up" as your motto.
18. Naruto not clear? Your just saying random stuff now. Like I said, he is calling Sakura, Sakura-chan, and Hinata, Hinata. Sakura is closer, deal with it.
19. NH and SS is just speculation and wishful thinking.

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 04:30 AM

What I mostly see is that Sasuke will get the girl Naruto loves and Hinata will be there to fix his broken heart, the reason why I call does arguments stup*d in because Naruto is the Titular of the Manga, what's the point in making the person that sacrifice himself the most to not be happy with the person he love because the side character (Hinata) need to be happy with the person she loves. Honestly I didn't know this Manga was named Sasuke or Hinata.

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 04:38 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ May 19 2012, 10:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey guys. I spent the last few days on another forum debating NaruSaku and NaruHina. She was I guess a SasuSaku shipper that said NaruSaku was dead and NaruHina is more likely. This is what they said:

1. Naruto likes Hinata judging by when he rescued her.


So pep talks are romantic interactions now? Shikamaru & Iruka gave a pep talk to Naruto does that mean they are in love with Naruto too.

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2. Naruto let go of Sakura because she loves Sasuke.


Then how come he couldn't tell Sakura about his feelings until after he save Sasuke?

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3. You can't compare NS to other people because their all different. Using parallels shows desparation


Then why are people arguing that Hinata paralles Minato?

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4. Kishimoto is fond of "opposties attract" couples like Minato/Kushina


Kushina = hot blooded, Minato = calm and collected, Naruto = hot blooded, Sakura = calm and collected, Hinata = nervous wreck.

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5. 540 showed that Sakura only sees Sasuke as a love interest. She isn't ashamed because she accepts who she is and will always
love Sasuke.


Then why is she hanging her head in that panel?

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6. Naruto never giving up on Sakura is invalid because she isn't one of his important goals.


Since when? Also see number 2.

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7. NH doesn't need development because this is a shonen and doesn't need romance.


Well shonen tend to go towards the Tsundere and thats NaruSaku.

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8. MinaKushi is both a parallel to NaruHina too if you replace Kushina with Naruto and Hinata with Minato


Naruto may takeafter Kushina more but he also has a lot of his father in him, and Sakura parallels with both Minato and Kushina too.

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9. When Kushina said "Find someone like me" she meant find someone who loves him like she does, not personality-wise.


Prove it.

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10. Sakura is only capable of loving Sasuke. If she was truly conflicted between Naruto and Sasuke than Naruto would have also
appeared in 540 in shadow if she really didn't know what she feels for him. The manga does not show her confused or conflicted.


Sakura is only capable of loving Sasuke? says who? and why would Naruto appear in a shadow?

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11. Killing Sasuke was all for Sasuke, not Naruto.


How so?

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12. Naruto knows Sakura doesn't love him. He understands her better than anyone.


Naruto has also been stuck in the past until 474.

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13. When pictured his friends, Hinata was right up there with Sakura so his feelings changed. She was turned away because she's
naturally shy


But Sakura was still foremost in his mind.

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14. NS is negative on Sakura's character and goes against it( Me: laugh.gif )


111189.gif 111189.gif I'm dying, I'm dying, 111189.gif 111189.gif .

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15. Sakura filled up Sasuke's lonely existence which proves he did love her.


No Naruto ment a lot more to him (and still does) than Sakura.

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16. Sakura still wants to be with Sasuke romantically. 540 shows this.


Again why is she hanging her head?

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17. Naruto's feelings aren't serious. It's just innocent flirting. Hinata and Sakura are more serious.


Oh so the POAL wasn't serious at all.

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18. Hinata won't be rejected. It's clear to me Naruto will get with her. Naruto's feelings aren't exactly clear anyways.


It's clear to me that Naruto will get together with Sakura.

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19. NS is just speculation and wishful thinking


Well look at the pot calling the kettle black.

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I mentioned the NS moments to her but this is what she said. 1st Hug: Sakura hugged Naruto because he's her dear friend and she doesn't wnat him hurt. The crowd that was blushing in the background doesn't mean anything. Feeding Scene: It's Sakura's duty to help others. She's a medic after all and the only reason Sakura had her fist clenched then was because she was annoyedd with Sai and Naruto for fooling around. It wasn't romantic Yamto's unfinished sentence: During Sakura's confession, Yamato was angry so he obviously didn't mean what you think he did. Confession: Kiba was angry and Lee was facepalming. Sakura views Naruto as a brother and she doesn't have romantic feelings for her. This person claims she's a Sakura fan and wants Sakura happy which is why she said Sakura should be with Sasuke since she loves him and not Naruto. According to her, NS has no romantic development while NH and SS do. Can someone please prove these assumptions wrong ESPECIALLY 9, 8, and 10? I don't believe any of this but I find 9, 8, and 10 really hard to go against sad.gif



I hope those help out.

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 04:39 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ May 20 2012, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When pictured his friends, Hinata was right up there with Sakura so his feelings changed. She was turned away because she's naturally shy

QUOTE (kirabook @ May 20 2012, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Uh.... *doesn't remember this*

I think this person was referring to one of the panels after Naruto's talk with Kushina (after she disappears).
The one at the bottom --Click here to view--
I'm positive that this particular panel is meant to show Naruto's image of K11, his group of friends (plus Team Ebisu). My understanding of this panel is that Naruto pictures what he thinks of each of his friends through their expressions, which should explain why Shikamaru is giving a sort of (lazy?) look, and Hinata's back is turned because Naruto thinks of her as a weird, shy girl. Don't know if that's correct, but again, that's my understanding of it.

And what? NS is just speculation and wishful thinking? Lol.

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 04:46 AM

QUOTE (Rocket @ May 20 2012, 12:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think this person was referring to one of the panels after Naruto's talk with Kushina (after she disappears).
The one at the bottom --Click here to view--
I'm positive that this particular panel is meant to show Naruto's image of K11, his group of friends (plus Team Ebisu). My understanding of this panel is that Naruto pictures what he thinks of each of his friends through their expressions, which should explain why Shikamaru is giving a sort of (lazy?) look, and Hinata's back is turned because Naruto thinks of her as a weird, shy girl. Don't know if that's correct, but again, that's my understanding of it.

And what? NS is just speculation and wishful thinking? Lol.



I can't see the image. sad.gif If you're linking from Mangareaders, images for Naruto are blocked for me for whatever reason.

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 04:56 AM

QUOTE (kirabook @ May 20 2012, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can't see the image. sad.gif If you're linking from Mangareaders, images for Naruto are blocked for me for whatever reason.

FFFFFF okay. I got this one from MangeHere. Ignore the Mangafox stuff at the bottom of the page.

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 05:01 AM

Yes, now I see. happy.gif

I don't think I ever noticed Hinata being anywhere important when I read this page in the past. She's in the back just as everyone else is. Sakura and Shikamaru are probably side by side with him because they are currently the closest to him of all the rookies. Shikamaru even got him out of his Jiraiya depression.

The only significant part of this scene is the absence of Ten Ten, unless I'm blind. Then again, Naruto REALLY hasn't spoken to her at all. Oh, Ino too.

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 05:05 AM

QUOTE (kirabook @ May 20 2012, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The only significant part of this scene is the absence of Ten Ten, unless I'm blind. Then again, Naruto REALLY hasn't spoken to her at all.

Tenten is there. The person who translated the page just sort of removed half her face lol.

But you're right. She's barely talked to Naruto. Heck, the poor girl's got so little development in the series. sad.gif

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 05:43 AM

QUOTE (Rocket @ May 20 2012, 01:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Tenten is there. The person who translated the page just sort of removed half her face lol.

But you're right. She's barely talked to Naruto. Heck, the poor girl's got so little development in the series. sad.gif



They completely covered up Ino to.

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3. You can't compare NS to other people because their all different. Using parallels shows desperation


Denying the obvious parallel is more desperation.

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 11:10 AM

QUOTE (xxRomanceGirlxx @ May 20 2012, 03:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey guys. I spent the last few days on another forum debating NaruSaku and NaruHina. She was I guess a SasuSaku shipper that said NaruSaku was dead and NaruHina is more likely. This is what they said:

1. Naruto likes Hinata judging by when he rescued her.
2. Naruto let go of Sakura because she loves Sasuke.
3. You can't compare NS to other people because their all different. Using parallels shows desparation
4. Kishimoto is fond of "opposties attract" couples like Minato/Kushina
5. 540 showed that Sakura only sees Sasuke as a love interest. She isn't ashamed because she accepts who she is and will always love Sasuke.
6. Naruto never giving up on Sakura is invalid because she isn't one of his important goals.
7. NH doesn't need development because this is a shonen and doesn't need romance.
8. MinaKushi is both a parallel to NaruHina too if you replace Kushina with Naruto and Hinata with Minato
9. When Kushina said "Find someone like me" she meant find someone who loves him like she does, not personality-wise.
10. Sakura is only capable of loving Sasuke. If she was truly conflicted between Naruto and Sasuke than Naruto would have also appeared in 540 in shadow if she really didn't know what she feels for him. The manga does not show her confused or conflicted.
11. Killing Sasuke was all for Sasuke, not Naruto.
12. Naruto knows Sakura doesn't love him. He understands her better than anyone.
13. When pictured his friends, Hinata was right up there with Sakura so his feelings changed. She was turned away because she's naturally shy
14. NS is negative on Sakura's character and goes against it( Me: laugh.gif )
15. Sakura filled up Sasuke's lonely existence which proves he did love her.
16. Sakura still wants to be with Sasuke romantically. 540 shows this.
17. Naruto's feelings aren't serious. It's just innocent flirting. Hinata and Sakura are more serious.
18. Hinata won't be rejected. It's clear to me Naruto will get with her. Naruto's feelings aren't exactly clear anyways.
19. NS is just speculation and wishful thinking

I stopped reading here : "1. Naruto likes Hinata judging by when he rescued her." (he save everyone there not just hinata)

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 12:13 PM

QUOTE (dovahkiin @ May 19 2012, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1-> he tried to kill her two times and she still loves him

2-> that fake confession put a lof of people in danger .
when she could said the truth


When has Sakura said she still loves Sasuke? Not since her desperate confession to him when he tried to leave Konoha back at oart 1.

Her confession wasn't fake (again why are people still saying this?)
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Posted 20 May 2012 - 12:15 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ May 20 2012, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When has Sakura said she still loves Sasuke? Not since her desperate confession to him when he tried to leave Konoha back at oart 1.

Her confession wasn't fake (again why are people still saying this?)


she did not said this with word but with actions( she could not kill sasukemo and in 540 she thinks about sasukemo), i said confession "fake" not because it's fake but it appeared to be fake because it's purpose was not to say "i love u naruto , lets go back to konoha and make babies" but " i love u madakittena so stop pursuing sasuke and lets go back to konoha".
she had other intentions her confession wasnt serious enough for naruto

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 12:42 PM

QUOTE (dovahkiin @ May 20 2012, 05:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
she did not said this with word but with actions( she could not kill sasukemo and in 540 she thinks about sasukemo), i said confession "fake" not because it's fake but it appeared to be fake because it's purpose was not to say "i love u naruto , lets go back to konoha and make babies" but " i love u madakittena so stop pursuing sasuke and lets go back to konoha".
she had other intentions her confession wasnt serious enough for naruto


So she can't kill him because she loves him? My big complain here is does it has to be "that kind of love?". Maybe she can't kill him because she cares for him a lot as a friend/teammate. This is the problem right here with most fandoms, just because she used to have a selfish crush on Sasuke (as stated by Kishi himself so many times in interviews and in author notes from manga volumes) it has be that she can't kill him because she loves him. Why can people think and use logic that she probably feels that deep bond for Sasuke the same way Naruto does for him? Also she's human she would never try to kill someone close to her. Sakura doesn't love Sasuke it was nothing but a mere silly crush, yes she may still be holding to that illusion of the twelve year old cool popular boy, but not to an extent that she's deeply in love with him. It's clear she knows she's in love with Naruto, but what she needs to do is finally move on from the illusion she has been holding about Sasuke (540 has done this already which to me it makes it a big anti SS moment not as other fandoms claim it to be).

My reason may sound biased but let's look it into the big picture here. The main theme of the series is "bonds". In this manga Kishi has shown us that the bonds of friendship and brotherhood are deep, strong and they are very hard to break (look at Sasuke trying so hard to severe his bond with Naruto and he still hasn't done it). Bonds are powerful and probably unbreakable look at the sanin and once again I'm bringing something that fellow forum member ciardha has pin pointed dozens of times it gets tiring. The sanin had a powerful bond and even after Orochimaru betrayed them and Konoha both Jiraiya and Tsunade still hold their bond for him. They fought against him and even if they were in a disadvantage they still didn't kill him. After Orochimaru died they both silently mourn his death, even if he became as twisted and evil, and even if he killed their teacher the third Hokage. Now that was a direct parallel with team seven and Kishi shown as clear as day that team seven holds the strongest bond in the manga Naruto and Sakura holds high regard their bond with Sasuke, both still care for him even after all the things he's done.

So I asked myself again did Sakura failed to kill Sasuke because she "loves" him or because she still holds a strong bond to him just like Naruto does to him?

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 12:49 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ May 20 2012, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So she can't kill him because she loves him? My big complain here is does it has to be "that kind of love?". Maybe she can't kill him because she cares for him a lot as a friend/teammate. This is the problem right here with most fandoms, just because she used to have a selfish crush on Sasuke (as stated by Kishi himself so many times in interviews and in author notes from manga volumes) it has be that she can't kill him because she loves him. Why can people think and use logic that she probably feels that deep bond for Sasuke the same way Naruto does for him? Also she's human she would never try to kill someone close to her. Sakura doesn't love Sasuke it was nothing but a mere silly crush, yes she may still be holding to that illusion of the twelve year old cool popular boy, but not to an extent that she's deeply in love with him. It's clear she knows she's in love with Naruto, but what she needs to do is finally move on from the illusion she has been holding about Sasuke (540 has done this already which to me it makes it a big anti SS moment not as other fandoms claim it to be).

My reason may sound biased but let's look it into the big picture here. The main theme of the series is "bonds". In this manga Kishi has shown us that the bonds of friendship and brotherhood are deep, strong and they are very hard to break (look at Sasuke trying so hard to severe his bond with Naruto and he still hasn't done it). Bonds are powerful and probably unbreakable look at the sanin and once again I'm bringing something that fellow forum member ciardha has pin pointed dozens of times it gets tiring. The sanin had a powerful bond and even after Orochimaru betrayed them and Konoha both Jiraiya and Tsunade still hold their bond for him. They fought against him and even if they were in a disadvantage they still didn't kill him. After Orochimaru died they both silently mourn his death, even if he became as twisted and evil, and even if he killed their teacher the third Hokage. Now that was a direct parallel with team seven and Kishi shown as clear as day that team seven holds the strongest bond in the manga Naruto and Sakura holds high regard their bond with Sasuke, both still care for him even after all the things he's done.

So I asked myself again did Sakura failed to kill Sasuke because she "loves" him or because she still holds a strong bond to him just like Naruto does to him?

the problem is she said she loves in when she said
"there's someome else i..."
and she could not kill him because fo her love she remembered stuffs about him when she was going to kill him
it was totally biased.

sayin that she has nothing than a selfish crush i'll disagree with you
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Posted 20 May 2012 - 12:55 PM

QUOTE (dovahkiin @ May 20 2012, 05:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the problem is she said she loves in when she said
"there's someome else i..."
and she could not kill him because fo her love she remembered stuffs about him when she was going to kill him
it was totally biased.

sayin that she has nothing than a selfish crush i'll disagree with you


Kishi has said she has selfish crush on Sasuke and even in the third data book it says she "used" to have a crush on Sasuke. Also how can you be so sure that the name she was going to say in that cut off sentence was Sasuke? And please don't say because she thought of a cold glare Sasuke with flames on the background.
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Posted 20 May 2012 - 01:07 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ May 20 2012, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kishi has said she has selfish crush on Sasuke and even in the third data book it says she "used" to have a crush on Sasuke. Also how can you be so sure that the name she was going to say in that cut off sentence was Sasuke? And please don't say because she thought of a cold glare Sasuke with flames on the background.


if she would say "naruto" the panel would appers naruto in a good light with his super-powers riding a dragon.

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 01:18 PM

again, sakura might have been thinking about naruto but when the guy said she could love a good guy, sasuke poped in her mind because she loves/loved him too and he isn't a nice guy at all. he may be good inside but only for the people he's closed, but now not even that. for someone who doesn't know him he's just an arrogant douche
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