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Posted 19 January 2013 - 03:02 PM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Jan 19 2013, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
More like freak out a lot laugh.gif

if she had appeared in this cover, she would be equaled with the protagonists and I would be really scared with it. (It would be like that shippuden ending that Pierrot put Hinata in a "Team 7 ending" ....That was weird!) .... but for some reason Kishi avoided giving a color page or a cover to NH, I have to say I was expecting that, but I was happily surprised with a team 7 cover! cool.gif

Seriously, Kishi had 3 shot to have a color pages with NH. Hell, I was thinking it is inevitable at one point. It doesn't need to be romantic but the fact they get one is an honor. So what do we get? Naruto in old fashion color, strike 1, Konoha with a surprise guest (Sasuke), strike 2, and Team 7 color spread, strike 3. When I saw that happening, I just thought that Kishi don't really see NH as anything but fans dreams. You know, to the point he thought it's nice that fans can pair them but that's not his way. Even Sakura got a cover with Naruto only. Yeah, I remember that ending. That was odd but oh well, the ending after that redeemed it.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 06:19 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Jan 19 2013, 11:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I disagree with you there, ino already got a resolution for her character after her father's death( you became a beautifull flower), and i didnt see her looking negatively at her love interest "Sasuke" the difference of Ino and Sakura is that Sakura know who Sasuke is and he's not a great guy or whatever, but ino still see Sasuke like he's still the same guy.
When it comes to Sasuke, Ino and Sakura are the same they only believed that Sasuke was evil when they see him, and i dont even think that she knows that Sasuke tried to kill Sakura two times.
Ino's character is already closed, she's strong and have her own determination, and value her friends.


i didnt see her looking negatively at Sasuke she was smilling and was even at her father's death.

There's nothing to Ino to overcome.



QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Jan 19 2013, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
540 shows Sasuke as what he is, in the attempt she thought about him as the "little Sasuke" but this changed and she thinks about him as what he's now "540" enforces it, Ino still thinks about Sasuke as the "little Sasuke".
Just to complete this thought.

I think for Sakura it opened the path for her to "move on" from Sasuke while Ino still love Sasuke and will stop only when he do something bad for her.

Ino's characters is already closed and even her father states this.

And the bolded one, i hope she knows but i dont think she knows about this.

And what her father says, is that love is not enough to be happy because what's more important than this type of love is her love for her friends.

Just ot finish

Sakura knows what Sasuke really is, even that little Sasuke she now knows that he was like that all along, that deep inside he was evil.



I have a different interpretation of that scene ... but I don't know if i can explain it very well ... let me try unsure.gif :



look at her exp​ression here, this isn't a happy exp​ression, it's more like she's hiding something sad, look how her eyebrows are lowered like she was sad and how her smile seems forced as if you were remembering / seeing something painful but you don't want to show this (as that smile that Naruto gave in the hospital scene: a sad exp​ression hiding by a little smile), her dad was talking about how she had become the meaning of that flower but she says that this flower means a "positive love" with a sad face as if she weren't convinced of that since she didn't find a positive love, but then his father says that this means more than a "romantic love", that he is proud of the love that she has for her friends, she had achieved this "positive love" that he was talking with the love she has for her friends, she should be proud of herself because she really became the meaning of that flower and for me it is directly connected to Sakura painel in 540. those chapters talked about "if you love someone he must be a great person" and a "positive love" and both noticed that it is something that well.... Sasuke isn't (Ino remembering the "12 years old Sasuke" is normal since, different from Sakura, she didn't saw what Sasuke became). Sakura needed something bigger like a murder attempt to realize that Sasuke is no longer that little boy she met because the sakura's love was more stronger than Ino's love because ...after all Sakura was on the same team as Sasuke and even had confessed her love for him .
I wasn't sure how to interpret that Sakura's panel but now that Ino had the same type of panel about Sasuke it decreased the power that the chapter 540 had for SS and how they used this as proof that Sakura will never stop loving Sasuke, but now Ino and .Sakura has the same type of panel and both girls has a sad exp​ression on their faces, It definitely must mean something.


I can even compare it with that NH "hold hands"

First we have Naruto held Hinata's hand and we thought that this could mean something big for NH, but then we have Naruto holding hands with everyone showing that this wasn't something as big as we thought since now this isn't something unique for Naruto and Hinata. Same goes to this, Sakura now wasn't the only one who reminded of Sasuke in that way, now Ino did that too.


I can be wrong.... I don't even know if I make sense anymore! unsure.gif



QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Jan 19 2013, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Seriously, Kishi had 3 shot to have a color pages with NH. Hell, I was thinking it is inevitable at one point. It doesn't need to be romantic but the fact they get one is an honor. So what do we get? Naruto in old fashion color, strike 1, Konoha with a surprise guest (Sasuke), strike 2, and Team 7 color spread, strike 3. When I saw that happening, I just thought that Kishi don't really see NH as anything but fans dreams. You know, to the point he thought it's nice that fans can pair them but that's not his way. Even Sakura got a cover with Naruto only. Yeah, I remember that ending. That was odd but oh well, the ending after that redeemed it.


yeah the ending 22 was pretty cute and there's something really interesting about this ending:

""I hope the meaning behind this shippuden ending comes true. According to a source, this is a reference to Japanese folklore myth, that the lady bug will fly from a person and go toward that person's future lover, the spots on the ladybug will indicated how long it will take intill they fall in love. For instance Naruto saw the lady bug and it flew towards Sakura, so lets hope according to the spots it will happen soon." (It was a comment in a NS fanart on DA that has that ending as a theme)

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 06:29 PM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Jan 19 2013, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have a different interpretation of that scene ... but I don't know if i can explain it very well ... let me try unsure.gif :



look at her exp​ression here, this isn't a happy exp​ression, it's more like she's hiding something sad, look how her eyebrows are lowered like she was sad and how her smile seems forced as if you were remembering / seeing something painful but you don't want to show this (as that smile that Naruto gave in the hospital scene: a sad exp​ression hiding by a little smile), her dad was talking about how she had become the meaning of that flower but she says that this flower means a "positive love" with a sad face as if she weren't convinced of that since she didn't find a positive love, but then his father says that this means more than a "romantic love", that he is proud of the love that she has for her friends, she had achieved this "positive love" that he was talking with the love she has for her friends, she should be proud of herself because she really became the meaning of that flower and for me it is directly connected to Sakura painel in 540. those chapters talked about "if you love someone he must be a great person" and a "positive love" and both noticed that it is something that well.... Sasuke isn't (Ino remembering the "12 years old Sasuke" is normal since, different from Sakura, she didn't saw what Sasuke became). Sakura needed something bigger like a murder attempt to realize that Sasuke is no longer that little boy she met because the sakura's love was more stronger than Ino's love because ...after all Sakura was on the same team as Sasuke and even had confessed her love for him .
I wasn't sure how to interpret that Sakura's panel but now that Ino had the same type of panel about Sasuke it decreased the power that the chapter 540 had for SS and how they used this as proof that Sakura will never stop loving Sasuke, but now Ino and .Sakura has the same type of panel and both girls has a sad exp​ression on their faces, It definitely must mean something.


I can even compare it with that NH "hold hands"

First we have Naruto held Hinata's hand and we thought that this could mean something big for NH, but then we have Naruto holding hands with everyone showing that this wasn't something as big as we thought since now this isn't something unique for Naruto and Hinata. Same goes to this, Sakura now wasn't the only one who reminded of Sasuke in that way, now Ino did that too.


I can be wrong.... I don't even know if I make sense anymore! unsure.gif





yeah the ending 22 was pretty cute and there's something really interesting about this ending:

""I hope the meaning behind this shippuden ending comes true. According to a source, this is a reference to Japanese folklore myth, that the lady bug will fly from a person and go toward that person's future lover, the spots on the ladybug will indicated how long it will take intill they fall in love. For instance Naruto saw the lady bug and it flew towards Sakura, so lets hope according to the spots it will happen soon." (It was a comment in a NS fanart on DA that has that ending as a theme)

Wasnt that lady bug flying onto a random kumo nin?

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 06:37 PM

Interesting. Thanks for sharing, Tsubaki. Still like that sig and avatar. You know, I'm beginning to realize that second ending of an opening (as in op, ed 2) always throw in some NS tease. That and/or Sakura ending. Anyone starts to noticing that? Maybe it's a coincidence. Who knows. Glad that the hand holding isn't huge as we thought. I did come across a thread that people jokingly saying that NH is dead. Personally, I wouldn't count them out just yet as I'm waiting for this battle result. This arc is very decisive for NH and NS, especially NH. Anyway, back to what I was saying, the only thing that irks me is the endless bashing of Sakura. Good god, enough with it already. I almost login and tell them that one NS moment can destroy your whole dream, but I'm better than that. I bet they were mad about Sakura being heroine. Sigh. Wait until the arc ends. Just. Wait.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 06:50 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Jan 19 2013, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wasnt that lady bug flying onto a random kumo nin?




well the ladybug first appeared just before Sakura but who knows maybe that Kumo nin will actually be Naruto's real love, oh boy Sasuke will get hurt tongue.gif

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 06:50 PM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Jan 19 2013, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have a different interpretation of that scene ... but I don't know if i can explain it very well ... let me try unsure.gif :



look at her exp​ression here, this isn't a happy exp​ression, it's more like she's hiding something sad, look how her eyebrows are lowered like she was sad and how her smile seems forced as if you were remembering / seeing something painful but you don't want to show this (as that smile that Naruto gave in the hospital scene: a sad exp​ression hiding by a little smile), her dad was talking about how she had become the meaning of that flower but she says that this flower means a "positive love" with a sad face as if she weren't convinced of that since she didn't find a positive love, but then his father says that this means more than a "romantic love", that he is proud of the love that she has for her friends, she had achieved this "positive love" that he was talking with the love she has for her friends, she should be proud of herself because she really became the meaning of that flower and for me it is directly connected to Sakura painel in 540. those chapters talked about "if you love someone he must be a great person" and a "positive love" and both noticed that it is something that well.... Sasuke isn't (Ino remembering the "12 years old Sasuke" is normal since, different from Sakura, she didn't saw what Sasuke became). Sakura needed something bigger like a murder attempt to realize that Sasuke is no longer that little boy she met because the sakura's love was more stronger than Ino's love because ...after all Sakura was on the same team as Sasuke and even had confessed her love for him .
I wasn't sure how to interpret that Sakura's panel but now that Ino had the same type of panel about Sasuke it decreased the power that the chapter 540 had for SS and how they used this as proof that Sakura will never stop loving Sasuke, but now Ino and .Sakura has the same type of panel and both girls has a sad exp​ression on their faces, It definitely must mean something.


I can even compare it with that NH "hold hands"

First we have Naruto held Hinata's hand and we thought that this could mean something big for NH, but then we have Naruto holding hands with everyone showing that this wasn't something as big as we thought since now this isn't something unique for Naruto and Hinata. Same goes to this, Sakura now wasn't the only one who reminded of Sasuke in that way, now Ino did that too.


I can be wrong.... I don't even know if I make sense anymore! unsure.gif


Well, her lips is a smile, it's a double edge interpretaton it was a sad moment because her father was dying but she still had the time to smile right on Sasuke's image, Sasuke's image is of part 1 it.
She says a sincere love not "perfect".


It has two interpretation and both are strong it can be that she still in love with Sasuke and thinks it's sincere but this love is not everything and that her friends are more important than it or make her think that her love for Sasuke is not really sincere, mutual, a perfect one?

But give by the tone of her father reply i'll stick with the first.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 January 2013 - 07:12 PM.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:10 PM

As I was going through the manga, looking for all of the interactions between Naruto and Hinata, I started to think about why NaruHina has so many followers...I have no idea if I'm right or wrong, as I don't ship NaruHina, but this is what I've come up with:

Sakura is my favorite character because I can relate to her the best out of all the other females. She's gone through the same kind of changes in her life that I have, and I strive to be as outgoing, determined, and supportive as she is. As my favorite and most relate-able character, I want what's best for her in the series. I want her to be acknowledged by the fans, I want her to act the part of the heroine, and I want her to have a happy ending. In regard to her love life, I don't want her to be with Sasuke because he causes her pain and agony. To me, Sasuke is the bad option for her. Naruto, on the other hand, is the guy that brings out the best in her and has loved her consistently throughout the series. Pairing development aside, that's primarily why I ship NaruSaku. Naruto is the better choice for my favorite character.

So, if I were a NaruHina fan, maybe I would ship it for the same reasons. Perhaps they can relate better to Hinata and only want what's best for her in the series. Maybe that's why their focus tends to be so Hinata-centric. She's their number one. In regard to the love sub-plot, perhaps they view Naruto's position the same way that I view Sakura's position: Caught between two love interests, one good, one bad. Since Hinata is the character that they relate to the most, perhaps they view her as the better option for Naruto, much like how I view Naruto as the better option for Sakura. Perhaps they also view Sakura the same way that I view Sasuke. The bad option.

Based off of my theory, their viewpoint is Hinata-centric. They've been watching her love and admire Naruto consistently throughout the series. They've also watched Naruto get rejected by Sakura time and time again. Even though Naruto and Sakura's relationship has gone through a lot of changes since Part One, maybe they refuse to acknowledge it because deep down, they still want Hinata, their favorite and most relate-able character, to be the better option. Maybe that's why there are still fans that give Sakura a hard time for hitting Naruto, even though she hasn't comically hit him since chapter 311. Maybe that's why some of those fans don't want Sakura to get over Sasuke. Maybe that's why some fans refuse to recognize all of the things that she's done for Naruto. Hinata is their number one, and they want her to be Naruto's number one too, because that would lead to the happiest ending for their favorite character.

Anyway, that's my train of thought. Of course, I could be horribly, horribly wrong about this, and I know this won't relate to all NaruHina fans.

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Edited by Slextrem, 19 January 2013 - 07:15 PM.


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Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:34 PM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Jan 19 2013, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yeah the ending 22 was pretty cute and there's something really interesting about this ending:

""I hope the meaning behind this shippuden ending comes true. According to a source, this is a reference to Japanese folklore myth, that the lady bug will fly from a person and go toward that person's future lover, the spots on the ladybug will indicated how long it will take intill they fall in love. For instance Naruto saw the lady bug and it flew towards Sakura, so lets hope according to the spots it will happen soon." (It was a comment in a NS fanart on DA that has that ending as a theme)

Few years ago, I heard a friend say to me the same thing about the lady bug. So, when I saw ending 22, I remembered this and it seems that the ending with the lady bug means that way. I understood it like that cause there's something else too which is that what else would be the reason to show the lady bug ?

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:38 PM

the ladybug just flied to a random kumo ninja xD Maybe Naruto loves secretaly a ninja from Kumo... Who knows? cool.gif

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:42 PM

Could very well be the case Slex.

My own observations shows that many NH fans (can never be all NH fans of course) are much more focused on Hinata's feelings than Naruto's feelings. Many say, "Hinata has been in love with Naruto the whole series" yet they either ignore or doubt that Naruto has also been in love with Sakura the entire series (even though it's been confirmed time and time again)

They put Hinata's feelings above Naruto's. Yes, they believe Hinata is the one that can make Naruto happy, but they refuse to acknowledge that Sakura could make him just as happy, if not happier.

Some say it would be terrible if after all this time, Hinata's feelings are not returned, but should they feel the same about Naruto not getting his feelings returned? Why is Hinata's, a side characters, feelings more important than the main characters? Kishi said "Support Naruto", so I will. I can't agree with all his decisions (like still wanting to go after Sasuke), but if he wants to do it, I'll cheer for him when the time comes. I'll cheer for his dreams to become Hokage, and I'll cheer for him to succeed in winning Sakura's affection after so much work.

As for Sakura, I want to see her grow. I think her character has had the most character growth in the series (even though Kishi has halted all her development lately it seems like) She's gone from an annoying fangirl who only cared about looks to someone who can care deeply for her friends and put her true friends above her crush. I see her final test as moving on from Sasuke (whether or not she chooses Naruto at that point is up in the air).. I also want to see her succeed in becoming strong to protect the people she cares for. We don't know very much about her dreams other than wanting to fight by Naruto's side with everyone, so I will cheer for her on that.

Sasuke... Sasuke can suck it.

As for Hinata, for whatever reason, I've never viewed Hinata getting Naruto as a "winning" moment. Why should her winning moment involve getting some guy that she didn't even have the courage to talk to on a normal basis? I don't know... that "achievement" seems so belittling of her, it doesn't see... big? I can't describe it. I'd rather her strive for a real achievement. I want her to strive to be stronger to prove herself to her clan and protect her family, not so Naruto can look her way. I want her to develop courage and feel confident in herself so that she can lead her clan as Neji could have, no so that she can confess her love to Naruto. It's just... do you know what I mean? Getting Naruto is not a prize. Why does it seem like her only dream is love? I find that foolish. That is why I cannot support Hinata as her fans do.

I'm an NS fan because of their build up really. I do like Naruto and Sakura as characters, and I like them even better together, but I didn't start liking them because I felt one character would make the other happy and they deserved each other just for that. (Again, I started to like them because they had interesting developments together, which lead me to believe they would be together at the end of the series)

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:43 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Jan 19 2013, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the ladybug just flied to a random kumo ninja xD Maybe Naruto loves secretaly a ninja from Kumo... Who knows? cool.gif

Yeah, but there's two scenes that were shown which are the lady bug was shown and then Sakura's doing this face, the one Tsubaki has posted it by the way.
That's where I took the sign of the lady bug's meaning XD

Well, you can interpret it from the two ways.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:46 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Jan 19 2013, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the ladybug just flied to a random kumo ninja xD Maybe Naruto loves secretaly a ninja from Kumo... Who knows? cool.gif

Kumo Ninja: Naruto, let's do so sexy manly love.

Naruto: NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Then Sasuke and Sakura team up against kumo ninja while screaming "NARUTO IS MINE!". laugh.gif

On an unrelated note, since Sakura already said "suki" to Naruto in her confession, wouldn't it be nice if when she fully realized the extent of her feelings for Naruto that instead she says "aikitteneru".

I think that will be more impacting, and also reminiscent to how happy Naruto was when he heard Kushina say it to him.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:51 PM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Jan 19 2013, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As I was going through the manga, looking for all of the interactions between Naruto and Hinata, I started to think about why NaruHina has so many followers...I have no idea if I'm right or wrong, as I don't ship NaruHina, but this is what I've come up with:

Sakura is my favorite character because I can relate to her the best out of all the other females. She's gone through the same kind of changes in her life that I have, and I strive to be as outgoing, determined, and supportive as she is. As my favorite and most relate-able character, I want what's best for her in the series. I want her to be acknowledged by the fans, I want her to act the part of the heroine, and I want her to have a happy ending. In regard to her love life, I don't want her to be with Sasuke because he causes her pain and agony. To me, Sasuke is the bad option for her. Naruto, on the other hand, is the guy that brings out the best in her and has loved her consistently throughout the series. Pairing development aside, that's primarily why I ship NaruSaku. Naruto is the better choice for my favorite character.

So, if I were a NaruHina fan, maybe I would ship it for the same reasons. Perhaps they can relate better to Hinata and only want what's best for her in the series. Maybe that's why their focus tends to be so Hinata-centric. She's their number one. In regard to the love sub-plot, perhaps they view Naruto's position the same way that I view Sakura's position: Caught between two love interests, one good, one bad. Since Hinata is the character that they relate to the most, perhaps they view her as the better option for Naruto, much like how I view Naruto as the better option for Sakura. Perhaps they also view Sakura the same way that I view Sasuke. The bad option.

Based off of my theory, their viewpoint is Hinata-centric. They've been watching her love and admire Naruto consistently throughout the series. They've also watched Naruto get rejected by Sakura time and time again. Even though Naruto and Sakura's relationship has gone through a lot of changes since Part One, maybe they refuse to acknowledge it because deep down, they still want Hinata, their favorite and most relate-able character, to be the better option. Maybe that's why there are still fans that give Sakura a hard time for hitting Naruto, even though she hasn't comically hit him since chapter 311. Maybe that's why some of those fans don't want Sakura to get over Sasuke. Maybe that's why some fans refuse to recognize all of the things that she's done for Naruto. Hinata is their number one, and they want her to be Naruto's number one too, because that would lead to the happiest ending for their favorite character.

Anyway, that's my train of thought. Of course, I could be horribly, horribly wrong about this, and I know this won't relate to all NaruHina fans.

Thoughts? happy.gif

I will try to answer in a way I can imagine their relationship in the future, from a NH perstective. This is very hard to do, because when I wrote this, it was hard to portray the pairing as deep and realistic. But I will try : D
NaruHina is a very easy pairing, their relationship is very un-complicated. If Naruto and Hinata end up together, they'll live IMO live a very simple A4 life. Minor arguing, Hinata would be of service to Naruto everyday(615 proved otherwise, but it is not enough), as she has a "live for Naruto, die for Naruto, everything for Naruto" way of life. This is her lifestyle. Do I like it? - no.gif NaruHina is a very easy pairing, their relationship is very un-complicated. This may be taken a flawless relationship for the NH fans. NS more like my taste, because they've grown together, been through a lot together - together, together, together.

I think many people that are NaruHina fans(the boys) would want Hinata as a girlfriend themselves. They think she is flawless, and would never be heartless or violent to her lover. Many arguments says Hinata would treat Naruto right. "Hinata deserves Naruto" "Hinata would never hit or lie to him". Maybe they think Naruto deserves this "perfect" woman because he's had a hard past. The same goes for Hinata, she's had a hard past, so she deserves him.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 08:42 PM

QUOTE (sushi. @ Jan 19 2013, 01:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I will try to answer in a way I can imagine their relationship in the future, from a NH perstective. This is very hard to do, because when I wrote this, it was hard to portray the pairing as deep and realistic. But I will try : D
NaruHina is a very easy pairing, their relationship is very un-complicated. If Naruto and Hinata end up together, they'll live IMO live a very simple A4 life. Minor arguing, Hinata would be of service to Naruto everyday(615 proved otherwise, but it is not enough), as she has a "live for Naruto, die for Naruto, everything for Naruto" way of life. This is her lifestyle. Do I like it? - no.gif NaruHina is a very easy pairing, their relationship is very un-complicated. This may be taken a flawless relationship for the NH fans. NS more like my taste, because they've grown together, been through a lot together - together, together, together.

I think many people that are NaruHina fans(the boys) would want Hinata as a girlfriend themselves. They think she is flawless, and would never be heartless or violent to her lover. Many arguments says Hinata would treat Naruto right. "Hinata deserves Naruto" "Hinata would never hit or lie to him". Maybe they think Naruto deserves this "perfect" woman because he's had a hard past. The same goes for Hinata, she's had a hard past, so she deserves him.

Ah, I've heard of that before. Hinata is the ideal woman for some men - shy, quiet, and submissive... Apparently a lot of guys are into that. laugh.gif
Personally, I just don't see the chemistry between her and Naruto. It's like you said, they would have a very simple life together, but there's something missing in their relationship that NaruSaku has. The whole togetherness. I don't even know how to describe it myself. They suit one another. They've gone through nearly all of their experiences in life together.

Also, like kirabook mentioned, I've never viewed Hinata winning Naruto as a big achievement. Perhaps it's because I've been rooting for Naruto this whole time, or perhaps it's because I still see her feelings as superficial. To be frank, she really doesn't know Naruto that well (at least, not the same way that Sakura does), and she doesn't play a big role in his personal life either. It feels like her love for him spawned out of no where. Her love for Naruto actually reminds me of Sakura's love for Sasuke in some ways.

Sakura wanted to be acknowledged by someone, and one day decided that it should be Sasuke, the most popular boy in school. Similarly, Hinata wanted to be acknowledged by her clan, and one day she noticed Naruto and decided she wanted to be like him, the hard working underdog that never gives up. As sweet as that may seem to some, I still find it very superficial. They didn't fall in love with the person; they fell in love with the image. Yes, I'm going to argue that, because neither really went out of their way to get to know Sasuke or Naruto.

Sakura tried, but Sasuke was quick to cut her out of his life. Hinata, however, did not. She was inspired by Naruto, and all of her hard work came from that inspiration, but she never went out of her way to get close to him. This is reflected in her actions. Like, for instance, how she's always underestimating Naruto in battle. During the Tracking Itachi arc, Naruto gets punched into the pond and Hinata panics. Sakura, however, knows that Naruto can handle a punch or two, and tells Hinata to keep her eyes on the enemy - Naruto will be fine. And he was fine, just like Sakura said he would be, because she knows him well enough to understand that he can take a few punches and still get up afterwards.

Another example: While the rookies made the decision to stop chasing Sasuke, Hinata went right along with them and didn't even consider how that might affect Naruto. Likely because she didn't know how it would affect him. Compare that to the way that Sakura reacted. Her actions were based off of Naruto's feelings. She knew right away how he would respond, and she wanted to do something about it. Hinata didn't do that because she simply didn't know.

That's the thing about Hinata that some people don't want to acknowledge. She's a side character. She has no significance to the actual plot, which has arguably been the biggest chapter in Naruto's life: saving Sasuke. She plays such a small role in his personal life, it would feel so odd for her to be paired up with him. Sakura, on the other hand, knows about all of this and more when it comes to Naruto.

She grew up around him, she made an effort to understand him, and she was the first female to vocalize her acknowledgement of him. Hinata had acknowledged Naruto before Sakura, but to Naruto, it's the other way around. Why? Because Hinata didn't make an effort to be in his life, so that role goes to Sakura. She's one of his four most important people, and I'm not trying to say that Hinata isn't an important person to him, but it will always be a fact that Team Seven is like family to Naruto. Iruka, Kakashi, Sakura, and Sasuke... They were first. Not Hinata.

Anyway, my point is similar to yours. Sakura and Naruto have been together through thick and thin. They've grown to understand one another like no two characters I've seen before. That's why I enjoy their relationship so much. Their love feels real. It comes with laughter, heart ache, sadness, anger, happiness... All of the little bumps along the road that one should expect to deal with in an actual relationship. happy.gif

Edited by Slextrem, 19 January 2013 - 08:54 PM.


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Posted 19 January 2013 - 08:55 PM

QUOTE (sushi. @ Jan 19 2013, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I will try to answer in a way I can imagine their relationship in the future, from a NH perstective. This is very hard to do, because when I wrote this, it was hard to portray the pairing as deep and realistic. But I will try : D
NaruHina is a very easy pairing, their relationship is very un-complicated. If Naruto and Hinata end up together, they'll live IMO live a very simple A4 life. Minor arguing, Hinata would be of service to Naruto everyday(615 proved otherwise, but it is not enough), as she has a "live for Naruto, die for Naruto, everything for Naruto" way of life. This is her lifestyle. Do I like it? - no.gif NaruHina is a very easy pairing, their relationship is very un-complicated. This may be taken a flawless relationship for the NH fans. NS more like my taste, because they've grown together, been through a lot together - together, together, together.

I think many people that are NaruHina fans(the boys) would want Hinata as a girlfriend themselves. They think she is flawless, and would never be heartless or violent to her lover. Many arguments says Hinata would treat Naruto right. "Hinata deserves Naruto" "Hinata would never hit or lie to him". Maybe they think Naruto deserves this "perfect" woman because he's had a hard past. The same goes for Hinata, she's had a hard past, so she deserves him.


So true. They only see Hinata in NH, but not Naruto, if that makes any sense.

Not to generalize, but the female fans, too, seem to put themselves in Hinata's shoes because they're shy/introverted, and they can clearly see that in Hinata. They think Naruto should be with Hinata because they themselves would want Naruto as a boyfriend.

One of the main reasons I ship NS is because I can relate so much to Naruto, it's not even funny. Plus his unrequited love gives me feels. T_T

But seriously, from a guy's perspective, I can't understand the whole fascination with Hinata. Not to bash or whatever, but she's so...boring. And bland. Like you said, the NH relationship would be so mundane and repetitive. I can sort of see the whole 'cute' factor...but bleh.

One of the things I love about NS is the struggle, and the feels. Sure, SS has angst, but NS, to me, has more angst than any other pairing (Aside from ObiRin). Sasuke never cared for Sakura as more than a friend/teammate, and now he literally feels nothing for her. Sakura isn't put in the 'friendzone'. But, alas, Naruto is. sad.gif

NH literally has none of that; Hinata's never shown sadness over Naruto loving Sakura. There's no angst there. And I love me some angst. Hell, Sakura's even been shown to be sad over the idea of Hinata loving Naruto.

Edited by swagosaurus, 19 January 2013 - 08:55 PM.



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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:10 PM

Slextrem I can not resist to reply to your post, but I have nothing more to say, it was just dat post. nosebleed8rx.gif
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So if we put everyone under the same chopstick, we can say that the girls are/want to be Hinata, and the boys want to be with Hinata. laugh.gif As for me, I don't like when people compare real life with fiction, but I must say: I would love if someone would love me like Naruto loves Sakura. It's just beautiful. Personally I think this kind of logic should be backed up with manga evidence, so it's not all about what the readers want, but also what the series needs. Because NH has very few moments together, many NH fans make a big deal out of everytime they see eachother. And when you make a big deal of something, you can't deal with it if something proves otherwise. Makes sense..? tongue.gif

swagosaurus, I agree with you. And I also find Hinata's character very boring. She is 1-dimensional, and that dimension is called "Naruto-kun". She always shows me the same, and everytime I get my hopes up for her, she disappoints me. I thought she grew up in 615, which was followed up with "Naruto-kun's warm hand".

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:20 PM

QUOTE (sushi. @ Jan 19 2013, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
swagosaurus, I agree with you. And I also find Hinata's character very boring. She is 1-dimensional, and that dimension is called "Naruto-kun". She always shows me the same, and everytime I get my hopes up for her, she disappoints me. I thought she grew up in 615, which was followed up with "Naruto-kun's warm hand".


Oh lawd. That part makes me cringe every time. I felt the same; when I was reading the chapter, though I was rustled that NH was getting such a (then) defining moment, I was actually glad Hinata was getting some positive, real development.

And then she 'gasms over holding his hand. And then 616 shut down any significance that scene had concerning Naruto's feelings, plus Hinata started to stutter again. -____-

I don't even think it's Kishi's fault; all of that was in character and realistic in terms of her personality. It was just so...binewinrioewnfwqf.


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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:22 PM

QUOTE (sushi. @ Jan 19 2013, 03:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Slextrem I can not resist to reply to your post, but I have nothing more to say, it was just dat post. nosebleed8rx.gif
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So if we put everyone under the same chopstick, we can say that the girls are/want to be Hinata, and the boys want to be with Hinata. laugh.gif As for me, I don't like when people compare real life with fiction, but I must say: I would love if someone would love me like Naruto loves Sakura. It's just beautiful. Personally I think this kind of logic should be backed up with manga evidence, so it's not all about what the readers want, but also what the series needs. Because NH has very few moments together, many NH fans make a big deal out of everytime they see eachother. And when you make a big deal of something, you can't deal with it if something proves otherwise. Makes sense..? tongue.gif

swagosaurus, I agree with you. And I also find Hinata's character very boring. She is 1-dimensional, and that dimension is called "Naruto-kun". She always shows me the same, and everytime I get my hopes up for her, she disappoints me. I thought she grew up in 615, which was followed up with "Naruto-kun's warm hand".

Bolded: Very true. When I was making my post with all of the NaruHina interaction in the series, a lot of it was, "Hinata is standing behind Naruto", "Hinata said "Naruto-kun", or "Naruto and Hinata are placed in the same group"... Like, really? And yet, some fans still count those moments as pro-development for NaruHina.

I have a different definition of pairing development: A mutual moment that can be considered romantic. Saying, "I'll do my best, Naruto-kun!", after being placed on the same team to track Itachi is simply not romantic development. Sure, from Hinata's perspective, it shows that she still wants to do her best for Naruto, but Naruto smiling and saying, "...Okay!", does not make it a mutual romantic moment for the pairing. facepalm.png

I guess I don't understand it because NaruSaku gets so much development that we don't need to scrape together every single panel with Naruto and Sakura to make the pairing seem possible. They interact all of the time. Sometimes it's romantic, which is awesome, other times it's just regular interaction. That's fine too. It shows that they're comfortable with each other.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:27 PM

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Jan 19 2013, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh lawd. That part makes me cringe every time. I felt the same; when I was reading the chapter, though I was rustled that NH was getting such a (then) defining moment, I was actually glad Hinata was getting some positive, real development.

And then she 'gasms over holding his hand. And then 616 shut down any significance that scene had concerning Naruto's feelings, plus Hinata started to stutter again. -____-

I don't even think it's Kishi's fault; all of that was in character and realistic in terms of her personality. It was just so...binewinrioewnfwqf.

I don't think it's Kishi's fault either. I think his is making Hinata the way she is by intention. He must be fully aware of it. So it's Hinata's fault that I don't like her. I don't hate her at all, but I'm very indifferent to her, she is one of few characters I don't care for. She is indirectly doing bad things, behind good intentions. The only reason I got pissed when she gasmed over his hand was because her cousin's body- who just sacrificed his life for both of them, is growing cold behind her feet. sick.gif

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Bolded: Very true. When I was making my post with all of the NaruHina interaction in the series, a lot of it was, "Hinata is standing behind Naruto", "Hinata said "Naruto-kun", or "Naruto and Hinata are placed in the same group"... Like, really? And yet, some fans still count those moments as pro-development for NaruHina.

I have a different definition of pairing development: A mutual moment that can be considered romantic. Saying, "I'll do my best, Naruto-kun!", after being placed on the same team to track Itachi is simply not romantic development. Sure, from Hinata's perspective, it shows that she still wants to do her best for Naruto, but Naruto smiling and saying, "...Okay!", does not make it a mutual romantic moment for the pairing. facepalm.png

I guess I don't understand it because NaruSaku gets so much development that we don't need to scrape together every single panel with Naruto and Sakura to make the pairing seem possible. They interact all of the time. Sometimes it's romantic, which is awesome, other times it's just regular interaction. That's fine too. It shows that they're comfortable with each other.

To add another note, Naruto has experienced these NH moments with other characters as well. They may see the difference because they will apparently be soulmates or something, but Naruto has the same thoughs and expressions in all of them. This goes for the time Hinata recognized Naruto's Kyuubi mode, which Shizune and Sakura did too. It just looked like a NH moment because the others were put in the darkness, by not recognizing him. I see Kishi uses this way to make Hinata shine in multiplie occasions. I also saw something on NF(don't want to turn this into a debate about another forum, just giving an example). On every pairing fanclub, there is a poll where you can vote for your favourite moment, and one of the alternatives was "that time Naruto smiled gently at Hinata and said 'Yeah!' ". It also happened when Hinata said Naruto made her stronger, but Sakura has said that many times, I can't count.

Edited by sushi., 19 January 2013 - 09:36 PM.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:35 PM

QUOTE (sushi. @ Jan 19 2013, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think it's Kishi's fault either. I think his is making Hinata the way she is by intention. He must be fully aware of it. So it's Hinata's fault that I don't like her. I don't hate her at all, but I'm very indifferent to her, she is one of few characters I don't care for. She is indirectly doing bad things, behind good intentions. The only reason I got pissed when she gasmed over his hand was because her cousin's body- who just sacrificed his life for both of them, is growing cold behind her feet. sick.gif

Actually, he's in front of her feet. tongue.gif

This panel really grossed me out when I noticed Neji just laying there.

Edited by Slextrem, 19 January 2013 - 09:36 PM.





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