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[Dreamer]

Nah, seeing as Naruto wanted to become Hokage and rescue Sasuke, and become strong I'd figure Kishi intended on having a part two. So many unanswered questions... U_U'

And i'm being attacked by people disagreeing with me XD! -- *Runs to a corner and shivers*

Not necessarily, once the manga became popular, Kishi could've already planned on changing part 1 (Naruto vs. Sasuke) to allow the series to continue.

Edited by Uzumakikage, 21 July 2010 - 06:02 AM.

[Grace]

"There's no such thing as destiny" wasn't really the message in that storyline. Naruto's parentage doesn't change the fact that he was once a loser who failed the academy three times and just barely passed it the fourth. According to Neji, he was destined to be a failure forever because people's lives are controlled from birth by some unseen force that is impossible to escape from; Naruto proved him wrong.

actually I entirely disagree with the notion that his being related to the 4th and Kushina being the prior Jichuriki automatically renders all his hard work moot.

Its honestly not even a real issue when we consider that hes still taking the same attitude, work hard and succeed.

theres been no evidence to support that its changed him in the slightest save to reinforce his mindset of never giving up and further motviate him to find the peace hes seeking.

Completely agree with these two posts. Naruto learning about who his parents were (and about how awesome/important they were) doesn't mean he's suddenly gonna go all "Clan or Bust" on us like Sasuke, or that he's suddenly going to try reaching his goals because it's somehow his duty as the 4th's son.

His learning who his parents are just means he now knows that he came from somewhere--he has a family background like all of his friends, and if anything I think it'll strengthen his resolve to continue forging his own path.

And even in regards to the whole "fighting Sasuke is his destiny" thing, it seems more to me that Naruto doesn't want to acknowledge that his bond/rivalry with Sasuke is predestined; he's still determined to believe that they made it on their own, and he's working to end/resolve things in a way that relieves them both from their "destined roles" of "jinchuuriki" and Uchiha.

[ciardha]

For Sasuke, he said he wasn't intended on creating him in the first place. That was a fact. But for Sakura, he said he wasn't intended for her to become the main female lead, because of how the way he drew her. He did planned on making her, but probably a support character (I wonder, if Sakura wasn't to become the main female, who was? And it better not be Hinata)

In his original submission it was just Naruto and Kakashi. None of the other characters existed.

Actually that interview from the first art book- Uzumaki has gotten a bit misinterpreted by western readers over the years. A big context is left out of those words about Sakura- He is talking about how with Naruto he made his personality fit in the Shonen Jump lead character mode- and he said Son Goku was a prime example of a SJ type lead character. Then when asked to create a rival character he intensively studied rival characters from many Shonen Jump and came up with a rival character that fit in the Shonen Jump mode. But for Naruto's love interest, Sakura- she wasn't based on any Shonen Jump manga heroines type, she was entirely his own conception. She doesn't fit the Shonen Jump heroine character mode, was all he was saying there. I've also noticed how Kishimoto's defense of Sakura from that same reply has been lost to western readers over the years= he says "But she's a great character, she's cheerful and a leader type.

So yes, in that very same reply he says she is the heroine of Naruto. She's just not the typical Shonen Jump main heroine. So yes, Kishimoto wasn't being inconsistent when he said at the Jump Festa interview that Sakura was the main female character and the main heroine. In fact he's kind of sensitive about criticism of her character because she was much more his original creation than even Naruto himself. He takes the criticism as people say he lacks skill at creating his own original characters, and then resolves to try harder to make Sakura fit into what people's notions of what a Shonen Jump heroine should be like, because those letters make him feel he can't create a heroine that Shonen Jump readers see as a heroine.

Edited by ciardha, 21 July 2010 - 02:57 PM.

[Gravenimage]

In his original submission it was just Naruto and Kakashi. None of the other characters existed.

Actually that interview from the first art book- Uzumaki has gotten a bit misinterpreted by western readers over the years. A big context is left out of those words about Sakura- He is talking about how he based first Naruto he made his personality fit in the Shonen Jump mode, and he said Son Goku was a prime example of a SJ type lead character , then when asked to create a rival character he intensively studied rival characters from many Shonen Jump and came up with a rival character that fit in the Shonen Jump mode. But for Naruto's love interest, Sakura, she wasn't based on any Shonen Jump manga heroines type, she was entirely his own conception. She doesn't fit the Shonen Jump heroine character mode, was all he was saying there. I've also noticed how Kishimoto's defense of Sakura from that same reply has been lost to western readers over the years= he says "But she's a great character, she's cheerful and a leader type.

So yes, in that very same reply he says she is the heroine of Naruto. She's just not the typical Shonen Jump main heroine. So yes, Kishimoto wasn't being inconsistent when he said at the Jump Festa interview that Sakura was the main female character and the main heroine. In fact he's kind of sensitive about criticism of her character because she was much more his original creation than even Naruto himself. He takes the criticism as people say he lacks skill at creating his own original characters.

So in other words when the Sakura haters bash her its a painful blow to Kishi himself. I really feel sorry for him the only character he originally creates and she gets bash and flame like a bad habit. It's like the anti Sakura fans are telling Kishi that he doesn't have any skills or simply that he blows.

[ciardha]

So in other words when the Sakura haters bash her its a painful blow to Kishi himself. I really feel sorry for him the only character he originally creates and she gets bash and flame like a bad habit. It's like the anti Sakura fans are telling Kishi that he doesn't have any skills or simply that he blows.

Exactly. It's another reason why I hate Sakura bashing so much.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Exactly. It's another reason why I hate Sakura bashing so much.

Been a while for me, but it's nice to be back. I do agree, Sakura bashing can be so annoying. :-/ Like how people assumed she was lying just because of how her confession came off when it was just about timing so to speak? But I also say it's because of Naruto having been stuck on the past really at that point.

Bryon

[crazyefra]

I suddenly feel angry and pissed that I have to ask: Is there any big evidence of Sakura really loving Naruto and vice versa to shut those Sakura haters, NH and SS fans up? It's just that I'm sick and tired of people ruining everything Kishimoto is making with his manga by making up all those ridiculous theories that were made from thier own "fantastic" little world. One thing is having one favorite pairing but when taking it to this obsessive level where everyone has to agree with them or just die or get bashed for disagreeing. I'm sorry for sounding rude but enough is enough, I try to be in peace but it's making me extremely pissed off.

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[alexander]

I suddenly feel angry and pissed that I have to ask: Is there any big evidence of Sakura really loving Naruto and vice versa to shut those Sakura haters, NH and SS fans up? It's just that I'm sick and tired of people ruining everything Kishimoto is making with his manga by making up all those ridiculous theories that were made from thier own "fantastic" little world. One thing is having one favorite pairing but when taking it to this obsessive level where everyone has to agree with them or just die or get bashed for disagreeing. I'm sorry for sounding rude but enough is enough, I try to be in peace but it's making me extremely pissed off.

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There is no big evidence at the moment, and doesn't matter if you ask me, no matter what would happen, even if Naruto and Sakura had a kid together, I bet the fandom would still be in denial, saying that Narusaku is not cannon, lol, they just can't accept the idea of another pairing that is not the one they ship. And about Kishimoto suffering with Sakura bashing, this is partially his fault, since he aways making sakura mess up at some point, giving reasons to the fandom to hate her, only if Kishimoto could make Sakura hit the Jack pot at least once!

[Gravenimage]

There is no big evidence at the moment, and doesn't matter if you ask me, no matter what would happen, even if Naruto and Sakura had a kid together, I bet the fandom would still be in denial, saying that Narusaku is not cannon, lol, they just can't accept the idea of another pairing that is not the one they ship. And about Kishimoto suffering with Sakura bashing, this is partially his fault, since he aways making sakura mess up at some point, giving reasons to the fandom to hate her, only if Kishimoto could make Sakura hit the Jack pot at least once!

Even if Sakura saves Naruto's life, even if she saves Konoha, even if she defeats Madara, even if she brings peace to the world the anti fans will always hate her. So even if Kishi makes her the best heroine in the shonen genre she will still get flame and bash. Its the same thing with what you said about the pairing, even if NS becomes canon the opposite fandom will deny it they will continue saying that NH and SS is going to happen.

Efra@ don't feel angry to what the other fandom says the truth is there's NS development all over the entire manga and NO NH and SS development whatsoever it's all one sided.

Edited by Gravenimage, 21 July 2010 - 05:41 PM.

[Jenskott]

Even if Sakura saves Naruto's life, even if she saves Konoha, even if she defeats Madara, even if she brings peace to the world the anti fans will always hate her. So even if Kishi makes her the best heroine in the shonen genre she will still get flame and bash.

Exactly.

It doesn't matter what she does or doesn't. Sakura bashers shall always hate her.

Do you want examples? Back in Part I they hated her because she was weak. When Part II started and she showed her new might they hated her because she was strong.

At the beginning they hated her because she liked Sasuke. When she started showing hints of she was falling in love with Naruto, they hated her because she liked Naruto.

And not even get me started with the "We bash her because she hits Naruto! When she stops hitting him, we will stop bashing her!" crowd. It had been one hundred chapters since the last hit when I heard that claim/excuse. She had stopped "hitting" him but they hadn't stopped bashing her.

It doesn't matter what Sakura does or how Kishimoto portrays her. Character bashers always seek and find excuses for dissing fictional characters.

Anyway, I think this chat is bordering dangerously close to fandom bashing territory. Let's to tone it down.

[Gravenimage]

Exactly.

It doesn't matter what she does or doesn't. Sakura bashers shall always hate her.

Do you want examples? Back in Part I they hated her because she was weak. When Part II started and she showed her new might they hated her because she was strong.

At the beginning they hated her because she liked Sasuke. When she started showing hints of she was falling in love with Naruto, they hated her because she liked Naruto.

And not even get me started with the "We bash her because she hits Naruto! When she stops hitting him, we will stop bashing her!" crowd. It had been one hundred chapters since the last hit when I heard that claim/excuse. She had stopped "hitting" him but they hadn't stopped bashing her.

It doesn't matter what Sakura does or how Kishimoto portrays her. Character bashers always seek and find excuses for dissing fictional characters.

Anyway, I think this chat is bordering dangerously close to fandom bashing territory. Let's to tone it down.

The last time Sakura hit Naruto was back at the famous "siblign hug" from 450 and since we're now going to chapter 503 that means it's been 53 chapters since Sakura has hit Naruto.

[Jenskott]

The last time Sakura hit Naruto was back at the famous "siblign hug" from 450 and since we're now going to chapter 503 that means it's been 53 chapters since Sakura has hit Naruto.

I heard that sentence during the Sasuke vs Itachi arc. It had been around one hundred chapters since chapter 245.

Then again, I am recalling now she punched him again in chapter 297.

Whatever. I think my point certainly stands, regardless.

[crazyefra]

The thing is I'm angry at the spanish and latin fans that are worse then those in NF. You won't believe when I say this but the majority of those NH/SS fan want every NS/ANH/ASS fan dead for not being with them.

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[Gravenimage]

The thing is I'm angry at the spanish and latin fans that are worse then those in NF. You won't believe when I say this but the majority of those NH/SS fan want every NS/ANH/ASS fan dead for not being with them.

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Just ignore them Efra it's not worth it paying attention to them.

[alexander]

The thing is I'm angry at the spanish and latin fans that are worse then those in NF. You won't believe when I say this but the majority of those NH/SS fan want every NS/ANH/ASS fan dead for not being with them.

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Oh well, I guess the hunting season is open but, seriously, the fandom seems to be the same, no matter wich country you go, being the minority is not easy.

[crazyefra]

I wish all this hate between fandoms could end so everyone can live in peace and harmony.

@ Graven, I try to ignore them but it gets to me and I have to defend NS and try and at least make them see the reality of this story without changing their favorite pairing.
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[Gravenimage]

I wish all this hate between fandoms could end so everyone can live in peace and harmony.

@ Graven, I try to ignore them but it gets to me and I have to defend NS and try and at least make them see the reality of this story without changing their favorite pairing.
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You will never light reason in their minds and that's just the thing. People have their likes and dislikes for pairings they can say whatever they like but we can't try and change their way of thinking because it won't do any good. It's the same thing when they are trying to convince us that their pairing is the best and the one to become canon in the manga. The fandom will continue to have their debates and battle for their favorite pairings even if the manga ends and the canon pairing is reveal.

That is why this pairing war will be endless there's no stopping it.

[Inori]

@Gravenimage

I agree with you.The war will be endless.I've seen so much fighting on youtube comments on which pairing is the best and which pairing will happen in the end.There was one guy who told them that it was stupid to continue fighting and that they would see what happens at the edn but they don't listen and continue.That's why I agree with you that the war will be endless.

[Gravenimage]

@Gravenimage

I agree with you.The war will be endless.I've seen so much fighting on youtube comments on which pairing is the best and which pairing will happen in the end.There was one guy who told them that it was stupid to continue fighting and that they would see what happens at the edn but they don't listen and continue.That's why I agree with you that the war will be endless.

Hey you're new in the forum have you introduce yourself and the ninja academy enrolment?

[alexander]

Lol, this pairing wars are kind of entertainning, I've saw some funny comments some times, I don't even take them seriously anymore. Well think on the bright side, at least we know that we have support for our beliefs, while our rivals don't.