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[merryGOflava]

I know, but he left her in a bad impression and everytime it happens, it's an emotional impact to Sakura. The whole white background means an impact that hurts one or both and Sakura got struck. That's no excuse. In order words, it's not his type and she should realized that he's not it for her. They can be friends, but relationship beyond it won't work. When you go to a new level, the atmosphere between you two will be different. Not that you can still act friendly, but you have new options to consider, like going out more often, understanding and respecting each other likes and dislikes, etc. SS just won't work, because it will be a quiet and weak relationship that begs, "Broke off during the epilogue". He doesn't hate her, of course not, but like I said above, when it comes to relationship, it's a new level and trust me I know. Pretty much, Sasuke is saying thanks but no thanks to her love. Again, his words hurt her a lot and it truly shows. Plus, when she has another person, then you know the story is meant for them to get together. Not sure I said it here, but you can make many alter stories with this and it can work. In other words, SS just wasn't made to make it work.

I know SS can't work XD

I wasn't defending it.

I was just saying Sasuke wasn't a total jerk to Sakura in part 1 as we think.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I know SS can't work XD

I wasn't defending it.

I was just saying Sasuke wasn't a total jerk to Sakura in part 1 as we think.

Presentation, yeah he was. Inside, he's ok with her, but as a group. For example, Gaara's fight.

[Shadow1275]

I know SS can't work XD

I wasn't defending it.

I was just saying Sasuke wasn't a total jerk to Sakura in part 1 as we think.

There were 2 times where he was directly nice. When he complemented her on her genjutsu awareness and when he thanked her after he left. Then of course we have the scene where he tells Naruto to protect Sakura. However, though he was nice to her, the majority of scenes showed that he cared more about power then her. In the end, by saying thank you he completely severed the bond between them, whereas Naruto fought with him and preserved that bond. This is why Sakura has to get over Sasuke and why her love as Kishi called it is selfish. Because there is nothing between them left. Sasuke says this in both reunions. In the first he says that the only person whose bond he could not sever is Naruto's and in the second reunion he only listens to Naruto. He laughs at Kakashi and Sakura but is completely serious when Naruto talks. This is why 627 is nothing to worry about, because to Sasuke Sakura is nothing. That bond has been severed and any romantic feelings on his part never existed.

[TouKen4Life3g]

There were 2 times where he was directly nice. When he complemented her on her genjutsu awareness and when he thanked her after he left. Then of course we have the scene where he tells Naruto to protect Sakura. However, though he was nice to her, the majority of scenes showed that he cared more about power then her. In the end, by saying thank you he completely severed the bond between them, whereas Naruto fought with him and preserved that bond. This is why Sakura has to get over Sasuke and why her love as Kishi called it is selfish. Because there is nothing between them left. Sasuke says this in both reunions. In the first he says that the only person whose bond he could not sever is Naruto's and in the second reunion he only listens to Naruto. He laughs at Kakashi and Sakura but is completely serious when Naruto talks. This is why 627 is nothing to worry about, because to Sasuke Sakura is nothing. That bond has been severed and any romantic feelings on his part never existed.

Indeed.

Plus, when Sasuke told him to take Sakura and run, it's because of Team 7 bond he adapted, while when Naruto fought, it's all about Sakura. It's not to say he's selfish, but rather he's truly dedicated to her and the word from Haku keeps appearing. The fact the whole part 2 don't update SS rather make Sakura think further says a lot.

[merryGOflava]

There were 2 times where he was directly nice. When he complemented her on her genjutsu awareness and when he thanked her after he left. Then of course we have the scene where he tells Naruto to protect Sakura. However, though he was nice to her, the majority of scenes showed that he cared more about power then her. In the end, by saying thank you he completely severed the bond between them, whereas Naruto fought with him and preserved that bond. This is why Sakura has to get over Sasuke and why her love as Kishi called it is selfish. Because there is nothing between them left. Sasuke says this in both reunions. In the first he says that the only person whose bond he could not sever is Naruto's and in the second reunion he only listens to Naruto. He laughs at Kakashi and Sakura but is completely serious when Naruto talks. This is why 627 is nothing to worry about, because to Sasuke Sakura is nothing. That bond has been severed and any romantic feelings on his part never existed.

just cause there are only 2 times he was nice to her doesn't mean the rest of the time he was mean.

I'd say he was neutral toward her most of the time.

[That Uchiha]

Beautiful post, Tsubaki! It really shows the positives of SK.

just cause there are only 2 times he was nice to her doesn't mean the rest of the time he was mean.

I'd say he was neutral toward her most of the time.

Exactly, Sasuke wasn't a jerk to Sakura. He was a good friend and teammate, Sakura was considered one of his precious people.
Anytime he was mean to her was a rare occurrence.

He was more rude to Naruto than Sakura.

[Don-kun]

I'm not trying to do kitten, and as I've said in my earlier post, I was TRYING to understand what you were saying. I made that clear in the first sentence. Again, why in the world would SK fans feel uncomfortable UNLESS you're purposely saying kitten that's negative/bashing their ship? Some of the fans are both NS, SK fans and if they want to talk about it here, they're very well free to. The double standard is hilarious actually IMO. I don't know why you'd or anyone who feel uncomfortable when an SK fan talks about SK? It's ridiculous.

Ha ha the double standard.
You wanted to heard my reason then so be it , it's because Pro SK Anti SS is freaking hypocritical.
I said it, no matter what poor logic people try to use to defend SK it's a worst pairing than SS, Sasuke said

(To Tobi) "If you think I'm just a foolish kid ruled by his emotions, that's fine. Following Itachi's path would be childish, the whispering of fools who don't know hatred. If anyone else tries to ridicule the way I live, I'll slaughter everyone they ever cared about. And then maybe they'll understand what it's like to taste… a little of my hatred."[77]

Sakura was a old teammate sure but he was very annoyed of them gating in his way, there is no excuse to try and kill her but it's worst to try and justify his actions against Karin, she like Jugo were devoted and loyal to the end, he seek her out and formed a group then develop new powers to save them mostly because they reminded him of his old bond with Team 7, sadly in the end it still didn't matter because he could only stop and have a chat with Naruto but Karin he disposed her like trash and latter asked Sakura to kill her because he didn't needed her anymore, but that is nor even the worst part, the worst part is that the only reason why Karin a devoted allied was not killed by him was because Sakura, Kakashi and Naruto interrupted him.

Anyway it's best if I just drop this argument with you and move on, I for sure don't need to rely and a completely damage pairing has SK, worst when the Author needed to degrade the character and make a mockery of her and all young girls in the process.

SS is bad for the story but SK is OK, so much hypocrisy.

Edited by Don-kun, 17 April 2013 - 02:52 AM.

[Zatheko]

Ha ha the double standard.
You wanted to heard my reason then so be it , it's because Pro SK Anti SS is freaking hypocritical.
I said it, no matter what poor logic people try to use to defend SK it's a worst pairing than SS, Sasuke said

(To Tobi) "If you think I'm just a foolish kid ruled by his emotions, that's fine. Following Itachi's path would be childish, the whispering of fools who don't know hatred. If anyone else tries to ridicule the way I live, I'll slaughter everyone they ever cared about. And then maybe they'll understand what it's like to taste… a little of my hatred."[77]

Sakura was a old teammate sure but he was very annoyed of them gating in his way, there is no excuse to try and kill her but it's worst to try and justify his actions against Karin, she like Jugo were devoted and loyal to the end, he seek her out and formed a group then develop new powers to save them mostly because they reminded him of his old bond with Team 7, sadly in the end it still didn't matter because he could only stop and have a chat with Naruto but Karin he disposed her like trash and latter asked Sakura to kill her because he didn't needed her anymore, but that is nor even the worst part, the worst part is that the only reason why Karin a devoted allied was not killed by him was because Sakura, Kakashi and Naruto interrupted him.

Anyway it's best if I just drop this argument with you and move on, I for sure don't need to rely and a completely damage pairing has SK, worst when the Author needed to degrade the character and make a mockery of her and all young girls in the process.

SS is bad for the story but SK is OK, so much hypocrisy.

I think you are over reacting just a tad bit, they are manga characters, don't treat it to much like real life people.

[Don-kun]

So why most of us believe that SS is bad and it send a bad message to the readers?

[merryGOflava]

So why most of us believe that SS is bad and it send a bad message to the readers?

well

1) sasuke tired to kill her
2) sasuke doesn't like her
3) she's lusting over him....not true love XD
.....those are my reasons...

for SK...it's pretty much the same thing, except Karin calls Sasuke out on his mistakes....but so does Sakura now.
...................so yea they are kinda the same.

[Zatheko]

well

1) sasuke tired to kill her
2) sasuke doesn't like her
3) she's lusting over him....not true love XD
.....those are my reasons...

for SK...it's pretty much the same thing, except Karin calls Sasuke out on his mistakes....but so does Sakura now.
...................so yea they are kinda the same.

Karin doesn't just lust over him, she fell in love with him after she saw his smile, his TRUE smile. That alone is already a better reason then Sakura's reasons.

[AzureWaters]

Karin definitely lusts after Sasuke lol. She's much more "forward" with her affections while Sakura is whimsical. Tbh Sakura comes off as more genuine about it. Largely because of personality.

Edited by AzureWaters, 17 April 2013 - 04:35 AM.

[Zatheko]

Karin definitely lusts after Sasuke lol. She's much more "forward" with her affections while Sakura is whimsical. Tbh Sakura comes off as more genuine about it.

I meant that its not JUST lust, I honestly think Karin's love is more true than Sakura's because of the reason she fell for him. To me any reason Sakura says she loves Sasuke doesn't really compare to Karins, but that is just my opinion.

[AzureWaters]

I meant that its not JUST lust, I honestly think Karin's love is more true than Sakura's because of the reason she fell for him. To me any reason Sakura says she loves Sasuke doesn't really compare to Karins, but that is just my opinion.

Despite the initial reason for starting to like Sasuke, the way Karin goes about showing her affections comes off as shallow and more centered on physical attachment instead of emotional.

I don't support or like SasuSaku at all, but I will say that I can handle Sakura's feelings for Sasuke more than Karin's, if just because the reserved way that she expresses it; in stark contrast to the other.

Edited by AzureWaters, 17 April 2013 - 04:45 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I meant that its not JUST lust, I honestly think Karin's love is more true than Sakura's because of the reason she fell for him. To me any reason Sakura says she loves Sasuke doesn't really compare to Karins, but that is just my opinion.

I do credit Sakura to try to make a relationship out of it by caring about him deeply after the curse seal event, but he's not the right guy. When Sakura does it to Naruto, he does it with a happy thought, so the only thing she can feel is hoping Naruto is truly ok, while Sasuke's backtalk is nothing but negative on both front. Karin has been comedy, though when things get serious, we see the serious part and that's why I can't truly compare with Sakura. After Sasuke getting curse seal, there's no ups for SS, rather going down. Even Sasuke didn't take credit for Gaara's fight. Honestly, Kishi is pretty much making down to SS, up to NS. It's all about contrast throughout part 1 and it was pretty obvious. In part 2, all the lovey dovey stuff starts to happen, but why on earth is on NS, not SS. I find it funny how Kishi said he will add romance in part 2. So what did you call all the stuff in part 1? Downfall? After all, NS is not romance but building true bond. The chapter with PoaL was the closure of their friendship. Enter part 2 and why are we still getting more of this but more..."heart"?

Oh boy, I don't want to do another LAP but maybe I will wait after this next volume.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 17 April 2013 - 04:46 AM.

[Zatheko]

Despite the initial reason for starting to like Sasuke, the way Karin goes about showing her affections comes off as shallow and more centered on physical attachment instead of emotional.

I don't support or like SasuSaku at all, but I will say that I can handle Sakura's feelings for Sasuke more than Karin's, if just because the reserved way that she expresses it; in stark contrast to the other.

Well have to agree to disagree than because I feel the exact opposite from you about SK and SS

Edited by zatheko, 17 April 2013 - 04:47 AM.

[FoolishYoungling]

Well have to agree to disagree than because I feel the exact opposite from you about SK and SS

But how does SK come off as a good pairing to you? Yes I agree that it is better than SS, but how is it any good itself? Sasuke stabbed her through the chest, threw her away like trash, and she forgave him with a simple "sorry Karin"? I don't care if the sorry had a little deeper meaning in Japan translation, if Karin would of just of punched Sasuke, all would be good right now, and I myself would support SK. However, she knocked down Suigetsu (for comedy, I understand that much), yelled at Sasuke a little, and then forgave him. To me this means that she stopped loving Sasuke while locked up, but when he said sorry, she fell back in love with him. To me, Kishimoto has just ruined Karin's character.

I still believe that my prediction will happen. In my prediction, I see Sakura and Ino both seeing how Karin is still in love with Sasuke after he used her, and realize that even if Sasuke were to be good now, that their love was nothing more than childish. Ino will be with Kiba, and Sakura will be with Naruto. I mean, come on. Why else would Kishimoto show us Kiba being Ino's protector? He is setting up for Ino to move on.

Edited by FoolishYoungling , 17 April 2013 - 05:05 AM.

[MangaReader]

Meh, never really cared about any Sasuke pairings, but... Karin had a far better reason to like Sasuke then Sakura, it's just that Sakura seems more sincere because she's been around the guy longer then Karin has all do to the fact that she was his teammate

[TouKen4Life3g]

I would respond to the question why SK>SS but I think it's best to have a real SK fan to explain. *Cough* I see you *Cough*

[Baguette]

I still believe that my prediction will happen. In my prediction, I see Sakura and Ino both seeing how Karin is still in love with Sasuke after he used her, and realize that even if Sasuke were to be good now, that their love was nothing more than childish. Ino will be with Kiba, and Sakura will be with Naruto. I mean, come on. Why else would Kishimoto show us Kiba being Ino's protector? He is setting up for Ino to move on.

And what exactly dictates that Ino should move on just to subsequently gravitate towards another guy such as Kiba? To declare InoKiba certain (or even probable) based on one single, brief interaction between the two parties feels as unfounded as declaring NaruHina certain based on their single, brief interaction in 615. Even NH has some development preceding it's one recent moment to help build a proper foundation. InoKiba has practically no prior development.

Edited by Baguette, 17 April 2013 - 05:41 AM.