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[Chatte]

But now its bloody obvious that Sakura is a key to the plot/future of this war.

Hopefully. And guys, please, don't look down on me just because I am critical with Kishi regarding his handling on Sakura.
For once, at least, try to wear my shoes to see how it's feeling.
I am disappointed because of the potential she had/has and has not been used.
Just for once, please!
Anyway, I'll close it here, the whole Kishi dealing with Sakura thing.
I think it's better...

[Chucky-kun]

Hopefully. And guys, please, don't look down on me just because I am critical with Kishi regarding his handling on Sakura.
For once, at least, try to wear my shoes to see how it's feeling.
I am disappointed because of the potential she had/has and has not been used.
Just for once, please!
Anyway, I'll close it here, the whole Kishi dealing with Sakura thing.
I think it's better...

Well think back to that interview about how kishi had forgotten about Sakura, her character took a heavy blow from that and that left her with a handicap.

[六道仙人]

You're all in denial here... Sakura is here too as you can see

Sakura --Click here to view--

[PhenixElite]

You're all in denial here... Sakura is here too as you can see

Sakura --Click here to view--

Why does she look like a dog XD

[六道仙人]

Why does she look like a dog XD

Because Akamaru said that he doesn't deserve his spotlight here!

Edited by 六道仙人, 25 January 2013 - 11:59 AM.

[redragon88]

Pretty simple. He caved into editor pressure since a while ago (before RtN). But decided to do RtN to please us while he pleases the NH fandom through the manga. At least that's my take on it.

A little bit on the pessimistic side, but hey, you're entitled to your opinion.

I'd rather have faith that Kishi is not such a petty individual to actually give some sort of pathetic consolation prize because a pairing won't happen. Despite his flaws he's written a very powerful story.

You say that his procrastination will get back to him, but the thing is that he's done that before and yet he still reigns as a top mangaka. That means that he's still doing something right in the eyes of his audience. Otherwise he would drop from the polls just like it happened with Bleach.

Also, don't you think you're taking the editor influence a little out of proportion, at least when it comes to pairing drama? This is an action series, the romance is a plus but not a determinant factor. Do you actually think the editors are worried that the target audience would drop the series because a certain pairing doesn't happen? Not to mention that a final pairing would only happen near the end, so I don't think anyone would want to quit the series when they have come this far.

I sometimes think that all of these worries of Sakura being forgotten and Hinata taking the spotlight are just a little too much. When Kishi wants Sakura back, he'll simply bring her back and that will be that. He's done that with a lot of characters (whether they are main, secondary, or minor) so I don't know why Sakura would be different.

As I've said before, if Sakura just keeps healing in the background then I'll completely understand why people would complain about Kishi's lack of attention. After all, he did make Sakura say she would fight together with Naruto. But the thing is that until the battle is over this disappointment is based of speculation.

If Sakura does end up fighting together with Naruto, does something cool with her strength, gets a kyuubi cloak, or else whatever to impress us then people will just focus on her present actions rather than keep wallowing at her previous absence. I believe Kishi knows this, therefore, just reserves her from when the time is right, like with many other characters before. Kishi also knows that people aren't gonna drop Naruto just because Sakura isn't appearing. 2 or 3 people might, but do you really think Kishi will pander to 3 people? Not really.

That's why I believe he doesn't mind withholding Sakura in the meantime.

[Codus N]

Now i have to read something to understand my statement?
It's the same thing as "read the hobbit" to understand the movie.
Kishimoto is sovereign on its decisions, you're just whining because of Hinata, i still dont see her as a real threat because of a lot of stuff, editors can make suggestions and then the mangaka decide if he accept or not, if she was a real threat she would make Hinata less Naruto-centric, if you think he's doing a good job with Hinata i say it's the complete inverse, he's doing a bad job with both Sakura and Hinata.

Hinata does not get close to Kushina because of this Naruto centered vision, just look at the battlefield she's chasing Naruto everywhere like a glue, and this is pissing off not just us the "NS" fans but the Naruto fanbase in general, there are a lot of people who are not happy with the recent events.
People who care about the plot are giving up one by one.

The annoying thing is every Hinata appearance is an excuse to start freaking out, about RTN he did the RTN but he too did fanservice with NH on the one-shot the SS with the one-shot and the adversitizing and 1-2 scenes on the movie, my take is he know what he's doing, and the reason for why we dont have a interview about Naruto's story this year is because he knows he's doing kitten and it will take a while for him to fix it.

First of all, you put waaaaaayyy too much faith in Kishimoto like some of us here and look where that has gotten us to. Disappointment. Pure, utter disappointment. That's why I'm not expecting much from him anymore.

And honestly, why are you so sure of this not being a case of editor intervention?? where you basing off this certainty from?? are you basing this off the editorial system in another country?? or are you just putting your faith (at this point, I'm calling it blind faith because of how some people seem to believe Kishi can do no wrong) in Kishi??

If it's the latter, then you seriously need to read that manga I suggested ASAP because it explains really well the decisions behind writing a manga in Jump. Every country has its own editorial culture. Jump, in particular, has a very distinct one. So, if you really want to try understanding how a manga is written in Jump and the decisions that come with it, read it. By reading it, you'll be able to see where I'm coming from.

First of all something like that is very uncommon, second you dont do it with one of the popularst mangas. Its by far not the same if mangaka acts like that with an uncommon manga. But you dont do it if its one of the 3 popularst.

Not really, even the most popular mangas can fall in the rankings from time to time. So if this Hinata glorification has something to do with keeping its' position consistent in the rankings, then I can see why.

[Chucky-kun]

First of all, you put waaaaaayyy too much faith in Kishimoto like some of us here and look where that has gotten us to. Disappointment. Pure, utter disappointment. That's why I'm not expecting much from him anymore.

And honestly, why are you so sure of this not being a case of editor intervention?? where you basing off this certainty from?? are you basing this off the editorial system in another country?? or are you just putting your faith (at this point, I'm calling it blind faith because of how some people seem to believe Kishi can do no wrong) in Kishi??

If it's the latter, then you seriously need to read that manga I suggested ASAP because it explains really well the decisions behind writing a manga in Jump. Every country has its own editorial culture. Jump, in particular, has a very distinct one. So, if you really want to try understanding how a manga is written in Jump and the decisions that come with it, read it. By reading it, you'll be able to see where I'm coming from.



Not really, even the most popular mangas can fall in the rankings from time to time. So if this Hinata glorification has something to do with keeping its' position consistent in the rankings, then I can see why.

We put our faith into kishi because he already admitted he fked up with Sakura once so I HIGHLY doubt he'll fk up again.

[AzureWaters]

During 615, I actually almost liked Hinata. It was nice to see her stand up to Naruto for once. But her hand comment just ruined it for me. It seems my faith in Hinata can't even last a whole chapter. I really hate it, 'cause I want to like her. She had potential once upon a time. I'd be having a total "Finally!" moment if I saw Hinata think that she wouldn't let Neji's death be for nothing while holding Naruto's hand. Her character development would really shine then. Unfortunately, Kishi took two steps back again.

I get that she cried, but her recovery from crying was unnatural. It's like "Oh no! Neji died! Wait, Naruto's holding my hand! OMG!!". LOL. I'm exaggerating clearly, but it still left something to be desired.

Truthfully Hinata is being a better support for Naruto than Sakura is right now... by a lot. Her hand comment had romantic undertones and that's why I feel your aggravated by it. So am I in fact, but the thing is she is showing potential right now. Its something when a minor character can get this amount of development and attention (especially shippy kind) with the main.

With Hinata I don't necessarily dislike her as a character, and her panel time right now is quite something. Mostly I am angered that the things that she's doing ( snapping Naruto out of temptation, healing his wounds) is something that should belong to Sakura- especially if she's his love interest.

[Chucky-kun]

Truthfully Hinata is being a better support for Naruto than Sakura is right now... by a lot. Her hand comment had romantic undertones and that's why I feel your aggravated by it. So am I in fact, but the thing is she is showing potential right now. Its something when a minor character can get this amount of development and attention (especially shippy kind) with the main.

With Hinata I don't necessarily dislike her as a character, and her panel time right now is quite something. Mostly I am angered that the things that she's doing ( snapping Naruto out of temptation, healing his wounds) is something that should belong to Sakura- especially if she's his love interest.

Wait a second... Are you saying hinata has loved naruto all this time???? WHAT?!

[PhenixElite]

First of all, you put waaaaaayyy too much faith in Kishimoto like some of us here and look where that has gotten us to. Disappointment. Pure, utter disappointment. That's why I'm not expecting much from him anymore.

And honestly, why are you so sure of this not being a case of editor intervention?? where you basing off this certainty from?? are you basing this off the editorial system in another country?? or are you just putting your faith (at this point, I'm calling it blind faith because of how some people seem to believe Kishi can do no wrong) in Kishi??

If it's the latter, then you seriously need to read that manga I suggested ASAP because it explains really well the decisions behind writing a manga in Jump. Every country has its own editorial culture. Jump, in particular, has a very distinct one. So, if you really want to try understanding how a manga is written in Jump and the decisions that come with it, read it. By reading it, you'll be able to see where I'm coming from.



Not really, even the most popular mangas can fall in the rankings from time to time. So if this Hinata glorification has something to do with keeping its' position consistent in the rankings, then I can see why.

Its a difference if he gives hinata some moments for fanservice or i he makes NH canon in the end. I see no problem with kishi giving fanservice with hinata, but NH means ruining his story and chracaters, thats not just a little flaw that happens in some mangas, its just the total destruction. Something like that isnt really done with mangas under the top 3 worldwide. Good mangakas dont completly change the story flow for fans, all they do is giving fanservice.

@chatte: I have no problem with your opinion if thats the way you see the manga, but i just dont know how someone is able to completly change his opinion in one chapter, cause then the previous comments just seem like empty words. You know?

@redragon88: Agree there.

[AzureWaters]

Wait a second... Are you saying hinata has loved naruto all this time???? WHAT?!

I don't know where your going with that comment. Regardless if she has feelings, having her make a comment like that after Naruto held her hand puts romantic undertones to the action as a whole. What she said isn't simply a consequence to her liking Naruto, but it gives the hand holding un-platonic elements.

[redragon88]

First of all, you put waaaaaayyy too much faith in Kishimoto like some of us here and look where that has gotten us to. Disappointment. Pure, utter disappointment. That's why I'm not expecting much from him anymore.

And honestly, why are you so sure of this not being a case of editor intervention?? where you basing off this certainty from?? are you basing this off the editorial system in another country?? or are you just putting your faith (at this point, I'm calling it blind faith because of how some people seem to believe Kishi can do no wrong) in Kishi??

If it's the latter, then you seriously need to read that manga I suggested ASAP because it explains really well the decisions behind writing a manga in Jump. Every country has its own editorial culture. Jump, in particular, has a very distinct one. So, if you really want to try understanding how a manga is written in Jump and the decisions that come with it, read it. By reading it, you'll be able to see where I'm coming from.

We could very well ask you the same thing. Where are you basing your certainty that Kishi is being influenced by his editors to change aspects of his story?

Just because Bakuman shows that editors can force authors to make changes it doesn't mean that you can blame every little thing you don't like about the story on it. Sometimes it's all just Kishi. Until you are able to ask him directly how different would the story have been without editorial intervention all of your worries are speculations based on your insatisfaction.

Could you at the very least give us a spoiler on what the hell happens in this Bakuman? You could even put it in a spoiler tag. You can at the very least do that, right? Is there a part in the story where an editor forces one of the top mangaka in Japan to change the ending of his story or something? Or even forces him to change to love interest in the action manga?

[Chucky-kun]

I don't know where your going with that comment. Regardless if she has feelings, having her make a comment like that after Naruto held her hand puts romantic undertones to the action as a whole. What she said isn't simply a consequence to her liking Naruto, but it gives the hand holding un-platonic elements.

If a guys hand is big and warm, you know him and you are meant to be.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

First of all, you put waaaaaayyy too much faith in Kishimoto like some of us here and look where that has gotten us to. Disappointment. Pure, utter disappointment. That's why I'm not expecting much from him anymore.

And honestly, why are you so sure of this not being a case of editor intervention?? where you basing off this certainty from?? are you basing this off the editorial system in another country?? or are you just putting your faith (at this point, I'm calling it blind faith because of how some people seem to believe Kishi can do no wrong) in Kishi??

If it's the latter, then you seriously need to read that manga I suggested ASAP because it explains really well the decisions behind writing a manga in Jump. Every country has its own editorial culture. Jump, in particular, has a very distinct one. So, if you really want to try understanding how a manga is written in Jump and the decisions that come with it, read it. By reading it, you'll be able to see where I'm coming from.

Nope, kishi didnt started Naruto yesterday he has much more experience of drawing mangas and his brother is also a mangaka he learned it from him, but what i said is, i'm not putting faith on him, but i know he knows that he's doing a bad writing with both Hinata and Sakura, with the asspulls and plot twists like 615 and Hinata (Naruto-kun) all the time, what i said is, i'll wait the rest of this arc, if he did that for the sake of giving Hinata a fanservice and make the NH fans cling to the story ok but if he keeps this way is because he wants to do this, he wants to kitten up his story for the sake of Nh and even if he continue like this he will damage NS hard to a point that does not matter which who Naruto ends it will suck on the same way.

And it will be his fault and he knows that he did kitten.

He gave development to Hinata without really giving her a decent development she's still the same fangirl and Naruto centered, chasing Naruto in the battlefield.
She has a strong desire to be with Naruto no matter what it completely overrides her clan duties, her characters is bad.
She should be leading her clan but kishimoto inserted a guy on pain's arc to do it, like foreshadowing Neji's death.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 25 January 2013 - 12:35 PM.

[Chatte]

@PhenixElite: I understand what you say, however, I always talked about the whole thing, not only because of 1 chapter. That, indeed, would be ridiculous.

[PhenixElite]

@PhenixElite: I understand what you say, however, I always talked about the whole thing, not only because of 1 chapter. That, indeed, would be ridiculous.

Well, i understand its just that in the last chapter thread youve been full confident about sakura and after that chapter its just the complete opposite.

[Chatte]

Well, i understand its just that in the last chapter thread youve been full confident about sakura and after that chapter its just the complete opposite.

Well, yeah, but there's a reason. Kishi seemed to do something, yet, he came back to his old self. It's like he continues to bring down my belief on him...

[六道仙人]

Well, yeah, but there's a reason. Kishi seemed to do something, yet, he came back to his old self. It's like he continues to bring down my belief on him...

I would dare to say that Kish is no.1 of trolls.

[PhenixElite]

Well, yeah, but there's a reason. Kishi seemed to do something, yet, he came back to his old self. It's like he continues to bring down my belief on him...

Yeah but it was just one chapter. Why did you believe that it something big happens imidiatly after that colour spread?