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[Derock]

I"m beginning to think that maybe everyone has thought too much of Naruto. Didn't Kishi say he was aiming this for middle schoolers? Maybe things like pairings and whatnot are supposed to be on the level of a middle schooler, in other words, completely unstable and most of the time, nonsense.

He is. And yet, as the same as Dragon Ball, we're treating it like its for older teens/young adults. Same thing for many other series targeting for pre-teens and even for all-audiences. We go too deeply in thought, which we are suppose to understand that this is for kids, no need to go any further beyond complicated issues and adult situations.

But then again, Kishimoto went on a topic that is very complex, even for a child around 7+years old will have some difficulty to understand. How can a child around that age understand the lessons of bonds?

[kirabook]

He is. And yet, as the same as Dragon Ball, we're treating it like its for older teens/young adults. Same thing for many other series targeting for pre-teens and even for all-audiences. We go too deeply in thought, which we are suppose to understand that this is for kids, no need to go any further beyond complicated issues and adult situations.

But then again, Kishimoto went on a topic that is very complex, even for a child around 7+years old will have some difficulty to understand. How can a child around that age understand the lessons of bonds?

Maybe that's the reason why he's repeating this lesson to Naruto over and over again. After a certain amount of times, a normal person would understand this lesson well, and we all assumed he did and Kishi wrote him as understanding this. We assumed Naruto was mature enough not to need to be told this lesson again, and we were right. Which is where the problem comes in, because Kishi apparently wants to drive this message through, but Naruto is so mature now, Kishi occasionally has to peg him down to helplessness so that yet another character can teach him this lesson.

We see it as repetitive and we completely understand the message, but would a middle schooler have the reading comprehension to remember this? Now I know I'll get some comments like "Well, when I was a middle school, I would be thinking the same thing now!" Yes yes I know, but when I was a middle schooler, I don't think I would have taken this message as seriously unless it was repeated time and time again, which is what Kishi is doing.

[dl316bh]

Problem with that being that anyone who was in middle school over most of the time Naruto has been running is certainly NOT a middle schooler now. Hell, you could say any kids of that age now would likely start closer to the beginning if they jumped in anyways. Part of the issue is that, for a good long while, the narrative was maturing along with the characters. Then the narrative went off in a bunch of different directions and seemed to regress.

[sushi.]

Does anyone know the official rating of this chapter? I hope it's bad, just to warn Kishi he's going in a bad direction. ^^

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Does anyone know the official rating of this chapter? I hope it's bad, just to warn Kishi he's going in a bad direction. ^^

The rating is bad, i checked 2ch, not because of NaruHina moment but because of the plot.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 28 December 2012 - 09:20 PM.

[StriderC]

Problem with that being that anyone who was in middle school over most of the time Naruto has been running is certainly NOT a middle schooler now. Hell, you could say any kids of that age now would likely start closer to the beginning if they jumped in anyways. Part of the issue is that, for a good long while, the narrative was maturing along with the characters. Then the narrative went off in a bunch of different directions and seemed to regress.

This. I've been watching Naruto since 2005 and I was a teenager then. I'm an adult now. I'm sure he didn't think people we're gonna drop the series after a certain age. The show got darker as it progressed, and surely this isn't aimed at the little ones anymore. It's for everyone. Hell, there was even a timeskip. Anyway, I don't think sometimes that we're looking too far into situations because that's how Kishi delivers it to us. He makes you think when it comes to certain things, and you have to go back and actually look at something. THis chapter for instance. Some people had to read it a couple of times before actually seeing what Kishi did here ultimately. He's milking the fanbase.

[4000TMNT]

Look up Sakura's reception section on her Wikipedia page. Not the Naruto wiki, the official one.

Thanks for the link, are these reviews from japan, do think Kishi sees these reviews.

[Derock]

Thanks for the link, are these reviews from japan, do think Kishi sees these reviews.

No. The reviews came from here in the US when manga critics reviewed specific volumes. I hardly think Kishimoto will see them because we already knows that he doesn't own a computer (He should have by now).

[4000TMNT]

The rating is bad, i checked 2ch, not because of NaruHina moment but because of the plot.

Really, I did not know that, whats 2ch opinion on the NaruHina stuff.

Edited by 4000TMNT, 28 December 2012 - 09:51 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Really, I did not know that, whats 2ch opinion on the NaruHina stuff.

Forced.

[4000TMNT]

Forced.

Is that the majority of people or minor people, and do people at 2ch think NaruHina is canon or not.

[CloudMountainJuror]

Problem with that being that anyone who was in middle school over most of the time Naruto has been running is certainly NOT a middle schooler now. Hell, you could say any kids of that age now would likely start closer to the beginning if they jumped in anyways. Part of the issue is that, for a good long while, the narrative was maturing along with the characters. Then the narrative went off in a bunch of different directions and seemed to regress.

Toy Story grew with its audience, why not Naruto?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Is that the majority of people or minor people, and do people at 2ch think NaruHina is canon or not.

They dont think NH is canon.

[dl316bh]

Toy Story grew with its audience, why not Naruto?

Basically. But at some point, the series just stopped trying.

[4000TMNT]

They dont think NH is canon.

I hope your not just saying that to make me feel better, because your succeeding.

btw, Can you read japan text or something because I tried 2ch before and translated to english and I still don't undertand what's being discuss about Naruto pairings.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I hope your not just saying that to make me feel better, because your succeeding.

btw, Can you read japan text or something because I tried 2ch before and translated to english and I still don't undertand what's being discuss about Naruto pairings.

Bing translator until my friend who know japanese got online, so i'm just ctrl+c/ctrl+v to him.

[4000TMNT]

Bing translator until my friend who know japanese got online, so i'm just ctrl+c/ctrl+v to him.

Kool, does your read Naruto.

Also, what did they think of the NaruHina moment in this chapter, did they think had romantic undertones or more of platonic moment.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Kool, does your read Naruto.

Also, what did they think of the NaruHina moment in this chapter, did they think had romantic undertones or more of platonic moment.

There are 3/4 people or just one guy with "samef...try" saying that NH is canon(but look like he was ignored),but mostly is just expecting the next chapters but i cant deny the fact that some are disappointed with sakura's role.
Or even saying that the role of the main heroine is not occupied.

The problem is the cliffhanger and the 3 weeks without manga.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 28 December 2012 - 10:43 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

I can't agree with this part of your statement. Sakura specifically says she was "still here" when she and Naruto were crying together after Sasuke left them again. She has stated countless times that, nomatter what he's said, she and everyone else would be with him. We have seen her look sad when she realised Hinata risked her life for Naruto. Sure, Sakura's priority in life isn't solely Naruto's satellite, but it would be unfortunate to ignore what she has said in the past.

The thing that bothers people is that Sakura has been completely sidelined for Hinata, who already has had a very big role in the last arc. Not Ino, Tenten or Shino, who could do well with a time in the spotlight for a change.

And here we go back to ch 573 where Sakura states that she is going to be by Naruto's side along with everybody else. Sakura has never stated her desire to be there next to Naruto, as someone special, holding his hand. She wants to help him and support him, as a good friend does. She won't mind in the slightest if someone else is there as well. So Hinata also helping and supporting Naruto in no way bothers her. Naruto is not something she sees belonging only to herself. That's what I meant to say. Sorry if it was unclear.

As for Sakura's role, well I'll understand the complaints if the manga ends and Sakura never got more than this. Right now the manga is still going on. For all we know Sakura will have prominent role shortly after this. Or she may not. Complaining that Hinata has stolen her place is silly, for the reasons I already wrote. I still don't understand this "there can be only one heroine" attitude.

[六道仙人]

viewpoints in 2ch are divided, as happens usually in the great majority concerning debates on forums...

There're some who are on top of the world about what happened in this chapter and thanking everyone, Kishimoto-sensei above all (lol fantards)
There're some SS fantard which are guessing if heroine's role for Sakura will be active when Sasuke-kun will come into play. (never mind)
There're some that are stating there's a terrible development.
There's some who are disappoitend about Hinata which is shining too much to the detriment of others, Sakura especially.
There's some NS fantard in a funk and are hoping that Kishimoto's trolling.
There's some who disappoitend with Kishimoto concerning the role of Heroine and want more about Sakura.

Anyway, I'm still surprised from them...They're surely less biased than some sites like YT, DA, NF, etc...

But yeah... at the first the perception is that a lot of people aren't liking very much the current status of story.

Edited by 六道仙人, 28 December 2012 - 10:54 PM.