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#8521 4000TMNT

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 11:07 PM

QUOTE (Otaru @ Feb 20 2012, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
LOL

it's not really a worry for me
i mentioned it because we were talking about the very first idea of Kishimoto when he created his manga and this drawing soar questions ^^
BUT, at the beginning, i think a creator thinks about many things that will never become concrete.
Look at first Kakashi were supposed to be naru' sensei only, and he also were supposed to speak gozaru ^^ lol

so this drawing is not a proof of naruhina ^^

it's really Kishi's work Minori-chan


Hinata does not have a important role in the manga, we rarely see her. So I doubt that kishi will show a drawing picture to confirm NaruHina, when he does not development NaruHina at all, especially in Naruto feelings towards Hinata.

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#8522 Otaru

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 11:10 PM

Maybe you are right Minori-chan.
After all maybe it's a fan drawing...
Everyone keeps telling me it's Kishi lol ^^

I know about Oda ^^ lol

Edited by Otaru, 20 February 2012 - 11:11 PM.

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 11:12 PM

QUOTE (Otaru @ Feb 20 2012, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe you are right Minori-chan.
After all maybe it's a fan drawing...
Everyone keeps telling me it's Kishi lol ^^

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 11:13 PM

I would like to find some proof ^^

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 11:17 PM

Otaru-chan, I guess you need to live in Japan in order to find out. Or ask people who live there (you have a friend from Japan, if I recall. Maybe you could ask them?). happy.gif

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 11:18 PM

LOL yes maybe i should ^^

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 11:19 PM

Give it a try. ^___^

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 11:20 PM

QUOTE (Otaru @ Feb 20 2012, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe you are right Minori-chan.
After all maybe it's a fan drawing...
Everyone keeps telling me it's Kishi lol ^^

I know about Oda ^^ lol


Wait a minute, who is Minori-chan.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 12:49 AM

QUOTE (Otaru @ Feb 20 2012, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's weird ^^ they can't stop talking about that ^^

i searched on google for you

http://www.google.fr...ved=0CEQQrQMwAA


I believe that drawing is fan made, as someone pointed out in this thread long time ago. The problem with that drawing is, when we asked from where does it come from (data book, art book made by kishi), there is no solid and proven answer for that.

Also, notice that Hinata was introduced fairly late in the series (chapter 34).

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 03:38 AM

No, that drawing is definitely by Kishi. I'm pretty sure it was in the first data book. That was Kishi's style in the beginning of the series.
But it doesn't change anything. It was drawn before the series even began, so...

Random thought - In any case, does anyone else think it rather odd that Kishi made Hinata so... well-endowed? I can understand that she is now, but she was twelve then. Kinda weird.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 03:42 AM

NS vs NH and SS

Ultiimately, I believe that NaruSaku will happen as long as Kishimoto has control over the story. He has devoted over a decade to building the relationships between the characters, and to have evolved NaruSaku to this point without canonizing it would be very disappointing to me. Not to mention, that it would go against some of the positive themes that this manga is based on. I've been thinking about this alot since Sakura and Hinata made their appearances a couple of weeks ago and here is what I came up with.

We all know the development of NaruSaku since the beginning, and I feel the very first full spread introducing team 7 illustrates where Kishi is taking us. In that image, Sakura is inside Bunta's coat, shading her eyes, blushing, looking at Naruto from afar. I believe that this symbolizes the fact that Naruto is meant to be with her, but she can't quite see it. Using the bench scene Kishi masterfully set up one of the major struggles in the relationships portion of the manga, making Sakura think that Sauske was the one that truly understood her, when in fact it was Naruto. From that point, Naruto is slowly revealed to be that person. However, somewhere in Sakura's subconcious mind she goes back to that false beginning, and until the truth is revealed, I don't think Naru Saku will happen.

This is where I feel that the the redemption of Sauske becomes vital. Sakura must be allowed to make a true choice, without pressure of "doing what is right." Naruto won't tell her how he feels, unless he is convinced that her feelings are unforced and completely genuine. He also won't bring up the bench scene himself in that scenario. Sauske himself may end up being the one to reveal the truth to Sakura. The only other plausible situation that comes to my mind is that Naruto indirectly makes Sakura realize the truth by making the comment about her forehead again because A. he feels he is heading to his death or B. he is dying. I see these as less likely alternatives as things are happening so fast now. Naruto must face off against the fake Madara and Sauske who may soon receive some trump card thanks to the legacy of Orochimaru. The only thing that he might have time for is to reveal reason he must face Sauske alone to the other rookies. I also don't feel that Naruto is certain of his own death, only that he must withstand all of Sauske's hatred and make him let it go. The Naruto death scene will only take place if the 9 tails is extracted. This one may be slightly more likely as Kishimoto made a point to demonstrate that Uzamaki's don't die directly after a tailed beast is extracted (this one also involves Tsunade performing Chiyo's reanimation technique, which she was able to recreate based on Sakura's description, leading to the rebirth of the 7th hokage and the new sage of the 6 paths, great opportunity for Naruto to meet the sage himself as well). Yet Naruto himself has said many times "I won't die until I become Hokage." so yeah unlikely.

I think Hinata was added as a character that would acknowledge Naruto's strengths in part 1. Let's face it, there was a large portion of part one where Naruto looked out of his league, inferior to Sauske. In order keep readers engaged. Hinata's thoughts concentrated on the Naruto that would slowly reveal himself to the ninja world. However, in part 2, Sakura begins seeing Naruto in the same light. So why keep Hinata engaged in the story?

Sakura and Hinata represent two very different personalities. Sakura represents an assertivve personality with potential for growth and change. Hinata represents a shy withdrwn personality with the potential to break out. Obviously these two personalities are meant to be a reflection of what many of us are or encouter in our lives. That is why some so adamantly insist that Naruto and Hinata should end up together. Her feelings for Naruto remain unchaged since the beginning. So with Hinata's popularity and her current emotional state how does Kishi write a NaruSaku ending?

I think that the answer lies in the fact that NaruHina fans aren't so dead set on that ending as they are Hinta being happy. There's still a war going on, and a lot can happen to change her mind. My hope is that Hinata's most major character development is supporting and encouraging NaruSaku. She has observed Naruto as well as anyone and must have noticed his feelings for Sakura. Let's face it, if Sai can, she can. Therefore, if an end comes and she sees that Naruto has a chance for true happiness with Sakura, because she loves him, she would let him go. I can't think of a much more selfless and character defining moment for her than that. In order for this to happen though, Kishimoto must first introduce an alternate scenario for her happy ending. Perhaps with Kiba, perhaps with Neji, or a complete unkown may yet still emerge.

Ah... had to get that out. Not much Naruto discusion at my house and where I work... happy.gif

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 03:46 AM

QUOTE (Minori @ Feb 20 2012, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I still can't believe that he put her in that kind of dress. In the manga, Hinata, from all the kunoichis, has the worst outfit. But the fact that this pic never appeared in the manga/official artbooks etc may be a proof that this is some kind of non-official fan-service. Nothing to worry about.

Just remembered: Oda (the creator of One Piece) mentioned that Kishi's wife is like Sakura. Now that is something. laugh.gif

That is a matter of opinion, not fact. I for one quite like Hinata's kunoichi outfit. It's plain and simple. While carrying out her ninja duties, you need to wear something comfortable.

I believe the photo your taking about was the one from one of the first data-books. Kishimoto intended for Hinata to be a civilian, but I think he needed to place someone in Team 8.

I don't see your point. It doesn't help your pairing at all if Kishimoto's wife is like Sakura. Again, that is a matter of opinion from Oda. Not Kishimoto himself.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 03:51 AM

QUOTE (Naruhina488 @ Feb 20 2012, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That is a matter of opinion, not fact. I for one quite like Hinata's kunoichi outfit. It's plain and simple. While carrying out her ninja duties, you need to wear something comfortable.

I believe the photo your taking about was the one from one of the first data-books. Kishimoto intended for Hinata to be a civilian, but I think he needed to place someone in Team 8.

I don't see your point. It doesn't help your pairing at all if Kishimoto's wife is like Sakura. Again, that is a matter of opinion from Oda. Not Kishimoto himself.

I don't really find too much wrong with Hinata's outfit myself (except that I personally don't like it, but that's not important here).
It doesn't help our pairing directly; it suggests that Kishi might have a bias towards NaruSaku, though. Still, that is just a possible suggestion/implication.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 03:58 AM

QUOTE (JG111580 @ Feb 20 2012, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
NS vs NH and SS

Ultiimately, I believe that NaruSaku will happen as long as Kishimoto has control over the story. He has devoted over a decade to building the relationships between the characters, and to have evolved NaruSaku to this point without canonizing it would be very disappointing to me. Not to mention, that it would go against some of the positive themes that this manga is based on. I've been thinking about this alot since Sakura and Hinata made their appearances a couple of weeks ago and here is what I came up with.

We all know the development of NaruSaku since the beginning, and I feel the very first full spread introducing team 7 illustrates where Kishi is taking us. In that image, Sakura is inside Bunta's coat, shading her eyes, blushing, looking at Naruto from afar. I believe that this symbolizes the fact that Naruto is meant to be with her, but she can't quite see it. Using the bench scene Kishi masterfully set up one of the major struggles in the relationships portion of the manga, making Sakura think that Sauske was the one that truly understood her, when in fact it was Naruto. From that point, Naruto is slowly revealed to be that person. However, somewhere in Sakura's subconcious mind she goes back to that false beginning, and until the truth is revealed, I don't think Naru Saku will happen.

This is where I feel that the the redemption of Sauske becomes vital. Sakura must be allowed to make a true choice, without pressure of "doing what is right." Naruto won't tell her how he feels, unless he is convinced that her feelings are unforced and completely genuine. He also won't bring up the bench scene himself in that scenario. Sauske himself may end up being the one to reveal the truth to Sakura. The only other plausible situation that comes to my mind is that Naruto indirectly makes Sakura realize the truth by making the comment about her forehead again because A. he feels he is heading to his death or B. he is dying. I see these as less likely alternatives as things are happening so fast now. Naruto must face off against the fake Madara and Sauske who may soon receive some trump card thanks to the legacy of Orochimaru. The only thing that he might have time for is to reveal reason he must face Sauske alone to the other rookies. I also don't feel that Naruto is certain of his own death, only that he must withstand all of Sauske's hatred and make him let it go. The Naruto death scene will only take place if the 9 tails is extracted. This one may be slightly more likely as Kishimoto made a point to demonstrate that Uzamaki's don't die directly after a tailed beast is extracted (this one also involves Tsunade performing Chiyo's reanimation technique, which she was able to recreate based on Sakura's description, leading to the rebirth of the 7th hokage and the new sage of the 6 paths, great opportunity for Naruto to meet the sage himself as well). Yet Naruto himself has said many times "I won't die until I become Hokage." so yeah unlikely.

I think Hinata was added as a character that would acknowledge Naruto's strengths in part 1. Let's face it, there was a large portion of part one where Naruto looked out of his league, inferior to Sauske. In order keep readers engaged. Hinata's thoughts concentrated on the Naruto that would slowly reveal himself to the ninja world. However, in part 2, Sakura begins seeing Naruto in the same light. So why keep Hinata engaged in the story?

Sakura and Hinata represent two very different personalities. Sakura represents an assertivve personality with potential for growth and change. Hinata represents a shy withdrwn personality with the potential to break out. Obviously these two personalities are meant to be a reflection of what many of us are or encouter in our lives. That is why some so adamantly insist that Naruto and Hinata should end up together. Her feelings for Naruto remain unchaged since the beginning. So with Hinata's popularity and her current emotional state how does Kishi write a NaruSaku ending?

I think that the answer lies in the fact that NaruHina fans aren't so dead set on that ending as they are Hinta being happy. There's still a war going on, and a lot can happen to change her mind. My hope is that Hinata's most major character development is supporting and encouraging NaruSaku. She has observed Naruto as well as anyone and must have noticed his feelings for Sakura. Let's face it, if Sai can, she can. Therefore, if an end comes and she sees that Naruto has a chance for true happiness with Sakura, because she loves him, she would let him go. I can't think of a much more selfless and character defining moment for her than that. In order for this to happen though, Kishimoto must first introduce an alternate scenario for her happy ending. Perhaps with Kiba, perhaps with Neji, or a complete unkown may yet still emerge.

Ah... had to get that out. Not much Naruto discusion at my house and where I work... happy.gif

Excellent post. Thanks for putting so much effort and thought into it. I agree with everything, the only possible exception being "NaruHina fans aren't so dead set on that ending as they are Hinata being happy." I really hope you're right about that -- for their sakes.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 04:11 AM

QUOTE (KnS @ Feb 21 2012, 03:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Excellent post. Thanks for putting so much effort and thought into it. I agree with everything, the only possible exception being "NaruHina fans aren't so dead set on that ending as they are Hinata being happy." I really hope you're right about that -- for their sakes.


Yeah, I just tried to look at it from Kishimoto's perspective, and how he might try to create an ending that is plausible and leaves everyone satisfied.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 05:59 AM

QUOTE (Naruhina488 @ Feb 20 2012, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That is a matter of opinion, not fact. I for one quite like Hinata's kunoichi outfit. It's plain and simple. While carrying out her ninja duties, you need to wear something comfortable.

I believe the photo your taking about was the one from one of the first data-books. Kishimoto intended for Hinata to be a civilian, but I think he needed to place someone in Team 8.

I don't see your point. It doesn't help your pairing at all if Kishimoto's wife is like Sakura. Again, that is a matter of opinion from Oda. Not Kishimoto himself.

Aren't you on the wrong site? There are N.H. sites all over the net a lot of us find your ideas completly opposite to ours ... So why are you here?Is it to piss us off.because I can play that game if that is what you want.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 06:07 AM

QUOTE (dfammer @ Feb 21 2012, 05:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Aren't you on the wrong site? There are N.H. sites all over the net a lot of us find your ideas completly opposite to ours ... So why are you here?Is it to piss us off.because I can play that game if that is what you want.


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Posted 21 February 2012 - 06:10 AM

QUOTE (dfammer @ Feb 21 2012, 12:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Aren't you on the wrong site? There are N.H. sites all over the net a lot of us find your ideas completly opposite to ours ... So why are you here?Is it to piss us off.because I can play that game if that is what you want.


Clearly, you aren't following one of the rules here.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 08:19 AM

QUOTE (dfammer @ Feb 21 2012, 05:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Aren't you on the wrong site? There are N.H. sites all over the net a lot of us find your ideas completly opposite to ours ... So why are you here?Is it to piss us off.because I can play that game if that is what you want.

Please don't tell my friend she can't be here. sad.gif If we drive NH fans away like that, then we are no better than them Sakura bashers.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 12:43 PM

QUOTE (dfammer @ Feb 21 2012, 05:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Aren't you on the wrong site? There are N.H. sites all over the net a lot of us find your ideas completly opposite to ours ... So why are you here?Is it to piss us off.because I can play that game if that is what you want.

Exuse you? I am here to listen/debate about your opinions on your pairing etc. No, I am not here to "piss" anyone off. Assumptions, assumptions.

I'm allowed to be here as you are too. Remeber that.

Sigh... I can also play that game. I have to warn you though, I have a bad temper. But alas, I will not use my time and effort flamming you.

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