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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:52 PM

You know what's bad? Even though Sakura filled Sasuke's loneliness, managed to stop him his curse seal, cried for him, tried to cheer him up etc; At the end of part 1, she still believed he hated her and never warmed up to her.

 

I don't think Sasuke can give Sakura what she wants in a relationship. If we go by the databook, she is attracted to love and courage. And we all know she knows Naruto loves her and she thinks he is couragous(even called Sasuke a coward once) XD !

 

I think Sakura is way too much of an emotional being for Sasuke to understand her. And when she is sad, it is Naruto, not Sasuke that will stop her tears.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 11:42 PM

Yeah.. but i can bring you their ''counter arguments'' to that statement , if you like :happy:

 

To what, Naruto's feelings? I'm not sure if I want to hear it. But maybe it would be fun to see how well I can counter it. Test my debating skills.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 11:42 PM

Isn't it funny how as an event comes up as fans we get excited or fearful for something?

 

I mean 2 weeks ago all the Sakura haters were begging for her to have died from the tree but she was okay, now all fans are in terror of the aspect of Shikamaru dying. What I'm sad about is even should Sakura heal Shikamaru, the hate is still going to poor on her with people saying "where was she when Neji was hurt?" Not like she had the chance to save Neji since he was well you know, impaled by a giant wooden stake. But if Sakura saves Shikamaru, thats a good heroine moment for her. I'm just wondering what will be shown with her should she fix up Shikamaru or the impacts of Naruto's feelings shows more with her. Vol 68 begins next week so it will be interesting to see how that unfolds.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 03:47 AM

Watch this , its speaks very much

 

 

 

With naruhina and sasusaku the girls are selfish . "I want you to acknowledge me" or "I want to hold narutos hand." What about want the boys want? huh?


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Posted 21 September 2013 - 04:24 AM

I found this on Deviant Art:

 

So randomly, a Japanese artist on Pixiv message me, wanting to know more about Americans and what they think of Naruto. So we talked and the conversation steered towards favorite characters. She loved Sasori and I said I loved Naruto and Sakura even as a couple but it is not as popular of a pairing and Sakura is hated very much. She was shocked and her exact words were "my entire family loves Sakura the most" and proceeded to say the above. I was shocked to see her say this because she is a KakaNaru shipper. 

So NaruHina fans who keep telling us on DA and on Tumblr to stop comparing NaruSaku and MinaKush need to stop because even Japanese say this. This is not the first Japanese to say this to me. My 2nd most favorite SasuNaru artist, Vessel, had also said this and so did another Japanese artist on Pixiv. I can even name two Japanese artists who is on DeviantArt say this too (different artists so 5 in total right now)

And a few Japanese artists even compared NaruSaku in RTN to MinaKush, one even saying "NaruSaku is the 2nd generation MinaKush". 

 

 

What do you guys think of this?


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Posted 21 September 2013 - 04:28 AM

Watch this , its speaks very much

 

 

 

With naruhina and sasusaku the girls are selfish . "I want you to acknowledge me" or "I want to hold narutos hand." What about want the boys want? huh?

What episode is 1:20?

 

That was just...I can't even say it. Just...wow...just wow. I'm...I'm literally in tears.


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Posted 21 September 2013 - 04:54 AM

What episode is 1:20?

 

That was just...I can't even say it. Just...wow...just wow. I'm...I'm literally in tears.

It's the Chikara filler arc. Episode 290

http://www.crunchyro...pisode-1-609369

 

It's too bad that Naruto's dialogue is filler in that video. In any case it was a great choice of song and the the brightness of it all made it seem very heartwarming. 


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Posted 21 September 2013 - 05:52 AM

It's the Chikara filler arc. Episode 290

http://www.crunchyro...pisode-1-609369

 

It's too bad that Naruto's dialogue is filler in that video. In any case it was a great choice of song and the the brightness of it all made it seem very heartwarming.

Darn, I thought he was crying out and Sakura was trying to comfort him. He was just taking a friggen drink! of water!


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Posted 21 September 2013 - 06:06 AM

Watch this , its speaks very much

 

 

 

With naruhina and sasusaku the girls are selfish . "I want you to acknowledge me" or "I want to hold narutos hand." What about want the boys want? huh?

I don't know about you guys, but when it happens, it will be the most rewarding moment in anime/manga history to me, and I saw so many. That's a nutshell on why I love this pairing and there's so many that couldn't be squeezed in. Thank you for sharing.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 06:12 AM

I don't know about you guys, but when it happens, it will be the most rewarding moment in anime/manga history to me, and I saw so many. That's a nutshell on why I love this pairing and there's so many that couldn't be squeezed in. Thank you for sharing.

I can say the same. I cannot wait to see what excuses the NH fandom comes up with to deny NS again lol

 

"Naruto's dreaming, guys! He's really about to kiss Hinata!"

 

*Next page*

 

"The end"

 

NH fan: "CURSE YOU KISHIMOTOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!"

 

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 07:01 AM

 

She was able to stop him when he was first under the effects of the curse seal, and I believe he referred to both Naruto and Sakura as his precious people.

 

I would say yes, but then again he stopped the seal by himself during the first preliminary. Even then he thought of both of them, he didn't want to make him worry ,so yeah.. 
And to sum it up, during her confession she got even '' you are annoying'' :argh:. If that Hug counts as positive then sure , let them hang on to it , but Sasuke was in his right mind, he just decided to test out his newly acquired powers on Dosu and co.  I've checked if the curse seal inflicts your mind , but didn't found anything ,so its safe to assume that that hug did nothing special. Just my opinion :>
 

 

 

To what, Naruto's feelings? I'm not sure if I want to hear it. But maybe it would be fun to see how well I can counter it. Test my debating skills.

 

I'll pm it to you later ^_^.


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Posted 21 September 2013 - 12:31 PM

 
I would say yes, but then again he stopped the seal by himself during the first preliminary. Even then he thought of both of them, he didn't want to make him worry ,so yeah.. 
And to sum it up, during her confession she got even '' you are annoying'' :argh:. If that Hug counts as positive then sure , let them hang on to it , but Sasuke was in his right mind, he just decided to test out his newly acquired powers on Dosu and co.  I've checked if the curse seal inflicts your mind , but didn't found anything ,so its safe to assume that that hug did nothing special. Just my opinion :>
 
 
 
I'll pm it to you later ^_^.

Actually, I agree. I am going to post something special soon, but to bring up my point, Sasuke was on right mind because he knows he has a new power and he felt good. The problem is that he has gone too far. His team got worried but he kept saying he's fine, feeling annoyed. The first time, the power is a bit strong for him, but if he doesn't want others to worry he won't do it. But slowly, he knows that he wants and wants more. He became more hunger when, ironically, Naruto got stronger than him. So that's how I see. Maybe like SK moments, Sasuke should have kept it ambiguous to make us think it's only about Sakura, but sadly, in terms of pairing war, it's about his team/family.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 12:58 PM

@ Question 22: I always had a thought in my mind that the first scenes from this video that are taken from the NS ova are very possible to happen similarly close in manga and in this battle against Obito and Madara.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 01:07 PM

@ Question 22: I always had a thought in my mind that the first scenes from this video that are taken from the NS ova are very possible to happen similarly close in manga and in this battle against Obito and Madara.

Highly possible, with the ideal of his birthday, him going to deep measure, and now, knowing what's in his heart, which could make Sakura emotional about him and his journey. It's like "don't die, because you have done so much in your life." Crazy how the possibility of OVA is growing.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 01:49 PM

Actually, I agree. I am going to post something special soon, but to bring up my point, Sasuke was on right mind because he knows he has a new power and he felt good. The problem is that he has gone too far. His team got worried but he kept saying he's fine, feeling annoyed. The first time, the power is a bit strong for him, but if he doesn't want others to worry he won't do it. But slowly, he knows that he wants and wants more. He became more hunger when, ironically, Naruto got stronger than him. So that's how I see. Maybe like SK moments, Sasuke should have kept it ambiguous to make us think it's only about Sakura, but sadly, in terms of pairing war, it's about his team/family.

Yep, but still SK has this trump in their pockets ,because all he did and how down he fell it was because of Karin(Itachi and Naruto count ,but the point was to show the head start of SK relationship.)


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Posted 21 September 2013 - 02:11 PM

Yep, but still SK has this trump in their pockets ,because all he did and how down he fell it was because of Karin(Itachi and Naruto count ,but the point was to show the head start of SK relationship.)

Yeah, they do have that. I'm just saying like other moments could have left ambiguous. When it comes down to it, all of them has been answered.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 02:41 PM

NaruSaku is popular in japan becuse its obvious

 

in America NaruSaku is the most hated couple

 

becuse everybody hates Sakura , NH fans and SS are mostly popular in America

 

every american fan will go to kishimotos and he will have a angry mob next door LOL if NS happens

 

 

 

I hate it when they say, "Naruto never said he LOVED Sakura."

He doesn't need to directly or bluntly say, "I LOVE Sakura!" It's implicit, meaning that it's implied. Actions speak louder than words and we can blatantly tell from his actions that he obviously loves her. Does Kishi really need to spoon-feed his audience in order from them to understand the obvious?

I find it funny how they'll say he doesn't love Sakura because he never explicitly said he loved her, yet they'll say he loves Hinata and no longer has feelings for Sakura even when he NEVER explicitly said so OR imply anything of the sort. He never said he "loves" Hinata either so why is it ok for them to claim that HE loves HER, yet when WE state the obvious we get shot down and have these fatuous excuses as to why he doesn't love her shoved in our faces? Naruto's love for Sakura is incontrovertible. That should be obvious to everyone regardless of what fandom you're in.

 

Thats becuse they belive in their fanfiction , actually one NH fan told me this i counter the argument with ''actions speak louder than words'' owned*

 

If you find one telling you this counter it with this.


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Posted 21 September 2013 - 03:00 PM

NaruSaku is popular in japan becuse its obvious

 

in America NaruSaku is the most hated couple

 

becuse everybody hates Sakura , NH fans and SS are mostly popular in America

This is generally true, but I don't see why it matters. NS being canon is only made that much better knowing that those who do nothing but hate are going to be proven wrong and end up looking stupid.

 

There's a reason why everyone hates Sakura. She was specifically made to be an unlikable character in part 1. People already hated her because Kishi made her that way. Skip over to part 2 and while she is changing, people still hopped on the bandwagon of hate since Sakura still wasn't perfect. If the general people believe something, it's hard to shake that belief, even if it's unjustified.

 

As for NH and SS, a lot of them are fans of both pairings because they simple do not like the rivaling pairing which is NS. NH having hated Sakura for so long would prefer their favorite character, being the main character, to be with somebody they consider to be better than Sakura, which in this case is Hinata. I honestly don't think that Hinata is a very good character, but it has nothing to do with her being a good character. All that matters is that Hinata is compared to Sakura, whom they can easily hate. Sakura and Hinata are very contrasting characters, that is why it's hard to like both of them and easy to compare them.

 

As for my own personal opinion, I honestly can't say I like either Sakura or Hinata, but, I will say that it is clear to me that NS is the end pairing. NS is often selfless, and they make each other happy. It's also clear that they are both attracted to each other. It doesn't matter if another fandom has a strong basis for their pairing, because none of them are as convincing as NS.

 

Anyone agree or disagree with this? I'm curious to know how other people interpret the rival fandoms.


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Posted 21 September 2013 - 03:19 PM

I don't want the series to end but get the message clear without having it concluded. Pretty much the way how the ending of this arc would go down. This would be the time to make everything clear, especially how every pairings are "giving it all".

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 03:28 PM

I don't want the series to end but get the message clear without having it concluded. Pretty much the way how the ending of this arc would go down. This would be the time to make everything clear, especially how every pairings are "giving it all".

 

That is true seeing as how Kishi works on his chapters ahead of time, I'm sure that he already has the ending of this arc planned out.  


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