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[PhenixElite]

True that. I mean, what I think he needs, is Sakura on the verge of her death, to realize how much she indeed loves him.
The idea with her being on the verge of her death, however, I think this is the wake-up call he needs to be honest.
And I also wondered why Sakura's biggest moments are hidden from Naruto. Probably because of what you say, being saved for something that's upcoming.
Let's hope for the best, but still not rise our expectations. Kishi is so damn twisting sometimes...



Hopefully. Not to be mean or something, but I'm so stuffed with Hinata, really. Might be because of her fandom, might be because of my bias, might be because I find her a bland character, might be a lot of things.
However, I am stuffed with her and I want to see a real drama and complex story. Hinata's is very uni-dimensional, nothing cheesy about it, lol.

True, as you said, hinata is a very undeveloped charcter and naruto doent even really knows her, hinata also doesnt really know naruto. Making NH canon would really drop the value of the story.
But as said, i doubt kishi doing something like that. Would be really weird.

[redragon88]

There are two issues I'll have if NaruHina happens:

1) Naruto never showed an indication of possible interest in Hinata.
2) Hinata has never shown concern with the fact that Naruto loves another girl

I simply don't understand how people can overlook those facts. The only one who always seems to suffer from seeing the person you love to be loving another is Naruto. Sakura simply angsts because of Sasuke's darkness and Hinata struggle to be an equal to Naruto. Both of the girls are never shown thinking about the possibility that the one they love will never love them back.

Sakura might've felt bad that Sasuke doesn't love her, but since Sasuke has never been shown the love another girl she has always had the choice of him eventually coming around. And Hinata, well there are no issues with her. She simply loves Naruto. Then add the teases that Sakura might be falling in love with Naruto which automatically eliminates any heartbreak she could suffer at not having Sasuke love her back since she'll be loving another by the end.

Naruto has been, either directly or indirectly, conditioned by Kishi to be the most heartbreaking of the unrequited feelings to not be eventually returned. You could argue that Kishi could simply make him start loving Hinata from now on, but I mean, really? Just like that. We now Kishi is capable of hinting at possible changes of heart, Sakura is the prime example of all of this:

- When Naruto returned in Part 2 she immediately flirts
- Then you have her knowing more about Naruto's jinchuriki status and becomes more protective of him
- Then Sai commenting on Sakura's gentleness for Naruto and Yamato's unfinished sentence
- Have her offer to feed him ramen
- Have her scream for Naruto after the Pain explosion. When all feels lost she can only think of him
- Have her hug him

I'll be honest. Whatever people want to counter argue those points above, I simply don't want to hear it. I'm sick and tired of people trying to butcher those moments as if they didn't mean anything. They did, they are the definition of romantic build up. It serves to make us believe that Sakura is indeed capable of start loving Naruto and that it wouldn't come out of thin air. Not like it would if Naruto all of a sudden started blushing around Hinata. Maybe Naruto should blush around Iruka as well given that he saved his life in the very first chapter and Killer Bee mentioned how he's so close to his heart.

I won't deny that Naruto grabbing Hinata's hand can be seen as a nice romantic gesture, but just because it can be seen like that doesn't meant that a character has romantic intentions for it. I have seen so many shows in which the main character does something nice for the secondary character that loves him, even though he doesn't feel the same way, that I can't even count them with my fingers. But all of a sudden Naruto is different, why? why is it different?

I think that the reason I took this chapter more seriously then I though I would was because I let myself be influenced by the bad side of the fandom, you know, those guys that only live to complain about every little thing about the series. I sometimes think that I could've enjoyed things better if it wasn't for them.

So to recap we have:

- Naruto being the only one suffering for seeing the one he love to be loving someone else
- Absolutely no hints of Naruto showing potential romantic affection for Hinata
- A stampede of moments hinting of Sakura's growing romantic fondness of Naruto, even if she isn't aware of it

But the story is resolved with Naruto having instant feelings for Hinata, so that he forgets Sakura. All of Sakura's hints of romantic care for Naruto are forgotten.

No, just no. I'm done.

[Chatte]

True, as you said, hinata is a very undeveloped charcter and naruto doent even really knows her, hinata also doesnt really know naruto. Making NH canon would really drop the value of the story.
But as said, i doubt kishi doing something like that. Would be really weird.

If he will really do that, it would ruin the whole story. And given that he has developed NS so much, people can give him plenty of reasons why NH or SS would make a bad pairing cannon.
Hinata doesn't know Naruto and neither Sasuke knows Sakura.
He might have said nice things here and there, however, that's not enough for Sakura's real needs.

There are two issues I'll have if NaruHina happens:

1) Naruto never showed an indication of possible interest in Hinata.
2) Hinata has never shown concern with the fact that Naruto loves another girl

I simply don't understand how people can overlook those facts. The only one who always seems to suffer from seeing the person you love to be loving another is Naruto. Sakura simply angsts because of Sasuke's darkness and Hinata struggle to be an equal to Naruto. Both of the girls are never shown thinking about the possibility that the one they love will never love them back.

Sakura might've felt bad that Sasuke doesn't love her, but since Sasuke has never been shown the love another girl she has always had the choice of him eventually coming around. And Hinata, well there are no issues with her. She simply loves Naruto. Then add the teases that Sakura might be falling in love with Naruto which automatically eliminates any heartbreak she could suffer at not having Sasuke love her back since she'll be loving another by the end.

Naruto has been, either directly or indirectly, conditioned by Kishi to be the most heartbreaking of the unrequited feelings to not be eventually returned. You could argue that Kishi could simply make him start loving Hinata from now on, but I mean, really? Just like that. We now Kishi is capable of hinting at possible changes of heart, Sakura is the prime example of all of this:

- When Naruto returned in Part 2 she immediately flirts
- Then you have her knowing more about Naruto's jinchuriki status and becomes more protective of him
- Then Sai commenting on Sakura's gentleness for Naruto and Yamato's unfinished sentence
- Have her offer to feed him ramen
- Have her scream for Naruto after the Pain explosion. When all feels lost she can only think of him
- Have her hug him

I'll be honest. Whatever people want to counter argue those points above, I simply don't want to hear it. I'm sick and tired of people trying to butcher those moments as if they didn't mean anything. They did, they are the definition of romantic build up. It serves to make us believe that Sakura is indeed capable of start loving Naruto and that it wouldn't come out of thin air. Not like it would if Naruto all of a sudden started blushing around Hinata. Maybe Naruto should blush around Iruka as well given that he saved his life in the very first chapter and Killer Bee mentioned how he's so close to his heart.

I won't deny that Naruto grabbing Hinata's hand can be seen as a nice romantic gesture, but just because it can be seen like that doesn't meant that a character has romantic intentions for it. I have seen so many shows in which the main character does something nice for the secondary character that loves him, even though he doesn't feel the same way, that I can't even count them with my fingers. But all of a sudden Naruto is different, why? why is it different?

I think that the reason I took this chapter more seriously then I though I would was because I let myself be influenced by the bad side of the fandom, you know, those guys that only live to complain about every little thing about the series. I sometimes think that I could've enjoyed things better if it wasn't for them.

So to recap we have:

- Naruto being the only one suffering for seeing the one he love to be loving someone else
- Absolutely no hints of Naruto showing potential romantic affection for Hinata
- A stampede of moments hinting of Sakura's growing romantic fondness of Naruto, even if she isn't aware of it

But the story is resolved with Naruto having instant feelings for Hinata, so that he forgets Sakura. All of Sakura's hints of romantic care for Naruto are forgotten.

No, just no. I'm done.

Words of wisdom, my fellow NS shipper!
@Bolded, you have NO idea how much I understand you!

Edited by Chatte, 14 January 2013 - 06:37 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Guilty for having the former crush on Sasuke. Yes, with her promise, but in her promise, she remembers how pained Naruto was because of that. And in her promise we can clearly see how much she wanted Sasuke. And she remembers the part with "I know you love Sasuke, I know how much you're suffering now, I can feel it too". It doesn't take a genius to figure that he was hurt more about her feelings for Sasuke, than the fact she asked him to bring him back.
Actually, I'd argue that NS would be cannon. Why? Because look at it, Naruto rejected her because he still has those, as I said, Sakura only loves Sasuke goggles. The feelings were not recognized by Naruto, not by Sakura, that's the difference.
Naruto stated why he loved her BEFORE she told her that she loves him, that's the thing.
And I do give you the fact that those goggles have a reason, however, those goggles don't see the confirmation of Sakura's love. And those goggles are like transposed to the reader. That is why people still think that she doesn't love Naruto. They see it through Naruto's perspective, not Sakura. Whoever sees from Sakura's perspective and from the author's perspective should be certain by now that she loves him.
Well, you are right about recognizing that. I mean, that's one of the reasons I said about those goggles (God I mention them a lot, lol), however, this doesn't unconfirm Sakura's love for him.

It's because her feelings that made her did the promise for Naruto plus hurting him.
This is the reason why she thinks she is a horrible person for Naruto, she puts her problems into Naruto, she didnt wanted sasuke to be saved there she wanted him to come back for her.
She realized how selfish she was with that promise that was it had been lifted.
It hurted Naruto because he loved Sakura and he could not reject her request there.
Then she understood why he accepted, he did that becasue he loves her, and she felt like a bad person for doing this.

I don't like it either. But that's how it is now. And yes, James was right about the wall thing. I read his post as well, brilliant!
But now that makes me wonder, what will make Naruto be convinced of Sakura's love for him.

It's not and it is, a bit.
It's not because all those things you listed there, however, he should be more aware given the fact that Sakura did more things for him than she did for Sasuke. She fed him, like she was trying to do with Sasuke, she hugged him, like she did with Sasuke, she cried for him, like she did with Sasuke, she healed him, lied for his safety, was about to kill for his safety.
More things than she ever did for Sasuke. That's why he should be more aware of it. Those are things that he witnessed... We are not talking about those which he didn't witness, like Sai's talk to her about Naruto or Yamato's words, etc.
But well, it's part of his character, I guess, so the guilt should be taken off.

it's not his fault all the moments that she showed something like the bridge he was fainted and later he said to her dont worry about him.
She is not aware of her feelings for Naruto becasue it still lacks something for her to fall in love with Naruto.
Most important of all, the moments you listed look at naruto's reaction he blushed but he was surprised, even the hug he got surprised, it was romantic becasue she showed affection for him but he was surprised like "sakura showing affections for me?"

His image of Sakura on part 1 on the confession stuff pretty much showed what was on his head, the moments he witnessed were fresh on his mind.
He now understand that for her he's more important but we still did not get the results of this.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 14 January 2013 - 06:34 PM.

[Chatte]

It's because her feelings that made her did the promise for Naruto plus hurting him.
This is the reason why she thinks she is a horrible person for Naruto, she puts her problems into Naruto, she didnt wanted sasuke to be saved there she wanted him to come back for her.
She realized how selfish she was with that promise that was it had been lifted.
It hurted Naruto because he loved Sakura and he could not reject her request there.
Then she understood why he accepted, he did that becasue he loves her, and she felt like a bad person for doing this.

Well, didn't I say the same thing? Wasn't I clear enough that I was saying the same thing as you? Or I wasn't clear enough?
But meh, as I said, English is not my first language, heh.
She understood why he accepted it, because he loved her. That's when Sakura realizes his feelings for her and that's when she realizes that her feelings for Sasuke made it worse for Naruto.
It's like what you say but with different words.
Or do you feel that we're contradicting on something?

it's not his fault all the moments that she showed something like the bridge he was fainted and later he said to her dont worry about him.
She is not aware of her feelings for Naruto becasue it still lacks something for her to fall in love with Naruto.
Most important of all, the moments you listed look at naruto's reaction he blushed but he was surprised, even the hug he got surprised, it was romantic becasue she showed affection for him but he was surprised like "sakura showing affections for me?"

His image of Sakura on part 1 on the confession stuff pretty much showed what was on his head, the moments he witnessed were fresh on his mind.
He now understand that for her he's more important but we still did not get the results of this.

That's why I said he should and he shouldn't. It's a double edged sword here. I understand why he feels the way he feels, however, as I said, there are moments when he witnessed her affection to him.
Those moments should have put his mind to work.
At least that's my opinion.
As I said, I'm not blaming him, yet I'm doing a little, just because he should have seen this.
Hell, he took notice of Hinata's rescue attempt in Pein Arc, yet, he doesn't with Sakura?
But I agree that we will later get the results of this. One way or another.

[PhenixElite]

@redragon88:
@Chatte:
We should just keep cool. We can expect some more Hinata development the next chapters, but after it im sure we get back to the main characters.
Nothing is said till the end, i would just ignore fans and try not to get near their fanbases

[Chatte]

@redragon88:
@Chatte:
We should just keep cool. We can expect some more Hinata development the next chapters, but after it im sure we get back to the main characters.
Nothing is said till the end, i would just ignore fans and try not to get near their fanbases

Other words of wisdom, heh!
That's why probably I'll avoid the other forum I am activating, heh.
This is my little Piece of Heaven, heheh.

[sushi.]

True, as you said, hinata is a very undeveloped charcter and naruto doent even really knows her, hinata also doesnt really know naruto. Making NH canon would really drop the value of the story.
But as said, i doubt kishi doing something like that. Would be really weird.

I wonder why Kishi made Hinata the only one able to reckognize him in Juubi mode. Everyone was hesitating, but she knew it was him. I guess Hinata knows Naruto better than we think, but there are some very important aspects of him that she's not aware of. Thus they don't fit.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

@redragon88:
@Chatte:
We should just keep cool. We can expect some more Hinata development the next chapters, but after it im sure we get back to the main characters.
Nothing is said till the end, i would just ignore fans and try not to get near their fanbases

Well hinata already got her development i expect the end of it next chapter.

[Chatte]

I wonder why Kishi made Hinata the only one able to reckognize him in Juubi mode. Everyone was hesitating, but she knew it was him. I guess Hinata knows Naruto better than we think, but there are some very important aspects of him that she's not aware of. Thus they don't fit.

Well, my view is another one, but meh, I'd be too mean if I tell them I guess...
I found it very, how should I say it... "sweet" for my tastes.
However, Sakura recognized him too, however, she was amazed at this new Naruto, that's why she was like "Naruto? O.o" Like "What's with this new outfit" type of thing, in my opinion.

[PhenixElite]

I wonder why Kishi made Hinata the only one able to reckognize him in Juubi mode. Everyone was hesitating, but she knew it was him. I guess Hinata knows Naruto better than we think, but there are some very important aspects of him that she's not aware of. Thus they don't fit.

Just because hinata recognizes naruto in chakra cloak doesnt mean she knows him. She knows nearly nothing about his person. How should she; she saw him only about 4 times in part 2.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Just because hinata recognizes naruto in chakra cloak doesnt mean she knows him. She knows nearly nothing about his person. How should she; she saw him only about 4 times in part 2.

Shizune recognized Naruto too, and Sakura too but Sakura was surprised with his looks, and her surprise comes from the fact that he was able to fully control the kyuubi's chakra.

[T XD]

Well hinata already got her development i expect the end of it next chapter.

I don't think she'll get more development in the next chapter. Though, she may get a last development in another arc.
Still, I won't be surprised if her development will be continued in the next chapters. Whatever Kishi has in store.

Edited by T XD, 14 January 2013 - 07:31 PM.

[redragon88]

@redragon88:
@Chatte:
We should just keep cool. We can expect some more Hinata development the next chapters, but after it im sure we get back to the main characters.
Nothing is said till the end, i would just ignore fans and try not to get near their fanbases

I don't mind more Hinata development, just as long as it isn't implied that Naruto is starting to romantically like her. My reaction would just be a plain "what?".

You're right about trying to ignore bad comments, I guess that when a lot of people start chanting that they see red while you see blue you think to yourself for a moment if it's in fact red that you're seeing, but then you feel annoyed at yourself for having thought about something you didn't believe in.

In the end the reason I like NaruSaku is because the way the story has progressed has conditioned me to like it. I don't believe a pairing will happen because I like to imagine how they would be together, I think a pairing will happen because of how the story has progressed.

The reason I would feel disappointed if Naruto and Sakura end up with different people is not because I believe they would be miserable without each other. Kishi could make Naruto the happiest guy on earth when he's with Hinata all of a sudden, but that's the thing, it would be all of a sudden.

The reason I would feel disappointed is because I feel the story has betrayed me. I would feel that Kishi mislead and then betrayed the expectation he set for his fans. That would be the real blow I would feel.

The question should be not if Naruto could be at his happiest with Hinata. Kishi could make Naruto at his happiest with any girl he feels like it. The question should be if Naruto being with Hinata truly follows the flow of the story. I think this is what a lot of people might be missing in their line of thought. They think more about the characters they like and who they think would fit together in accordance to their personal preferences instead of thinking which characters have been build up to be together according to the story that has been told so far.

For example, when it comes to crack pairings NaruIno is a personal favorite. They're both loud, excitable, and blond. What's not to like? But since they have no build up to imply they could become a couple I'm not gonna go wishing they would become canon. I just like the idea of them as an alternate scenario, but not for the actual story.

That's not say NaruHina is crack, far from it. I just wanted to explain how some people like the idea of a pairing even without the potential of it becoming canon. Now, since Hinata actually likes Naruto, unlike Ino, NaruHina does have canon potential based on the hope of Naruto suddenly falling in love with her. It's the existence of this potential in addition to the fact that people might like NaruHina (and/or dislike NaruSaku) for personal reasons that makes them ignore how the story has built up on the idea of Naruto and Sakura ending up together.

The flow of the story should tell you that Sakura is slowly coming to love Naruto more and more. But for whatever personal reason people have preferences for the how Hinata loves Naruto and/or how Sakura loves Sasuke, and so they rather bet on the hope that the boys will start loving them back instead of thinking about the slow and constant build up that Sakura has gone through when it comes to her views of Naruto.

Naruto and Sakura where already good friends by the end of Part 1, she even said she trusted him completely. But then Part 2 comes along immediately starts with Sakura asking Naruto if she looks more womanly. That really took me off guard because it wasn't something I was expecting for her to say, ever. And as Part 2 progressed I realized that Kishi wanted to go beyond that friendship he cemented at Part 1, and I'm still hoping that was his ultimate plan.

Let use a phrase inspired from the movie Django:

"When it comes to NaruSaku, Part 1 development got my curiosity, but Part 2 development got my attention" - redragon88

[PhenixElite]

I don't mind more Hinata development, just as long as it isn't implied that Naruto is starting to romantically like her. My reaction would just be a plain "what?".

You're right about trying to ignore bad comments, I guess that when a lot of people start chanting that they see red while you see blue you think to yourself for a moment if it's in fact red that you're seeing, but then you feel annoyed at yourself for having thought about something you didn't believe in.

In the end the reason I like NaruSaku is because the way the story has progressed has conditioned me to like it. I don't believe a pairing will happen because I like to imagine how they would be together, I think a pairing will happen because of how the story has progressed.

The reason I would feel disappointed if Naruto and Sakura end up with different people is not because I believe they would be miserable without each other. Kishi could make Naruto the happiest guy on earth when he's with Hinata all of a sudden, but that's the thing, it would be all of a sudden.

The reason I would feel disappointed is because I feel the story has betrayed me. I would feel that Kishi mislead and then betrayed the expectation he set for his fans. That would be the real blow I would feel.

The question should be not if Naruto could be at his happiest with Hinata. Kishi could make Naruto at his happiest with any girl he feels like it. The question should be if Naruto being with Hinata truly follows the flow of the story. I think this is what a lot of people might be missing in their line of thought. They think more about the characters they like and who they think would fit together in accordance to their personal preferences instead of thinking which characters have been build up to be together according to the story that has been told so far.

For example, when it comes to crack pairings NaruIno is a personal favorite. They're both loud, excitable, and blond. What's not to like? But since they have no build up to imply they could become a couple I'm not gonna go wishing they would become canon. I just like the idea of them as an alternate scenario, but not for the actual story.

That's not say NaruHina is crack, far from it. I just wanted to explain how some people like the idea of a pairing even without the potential of it becoming canon. Now, since Hinata actually likes Naruto, unlike Ino, NaruHina does have canon potential based on the hope of Naruto suddenly falling in love with her. It's the existence of this potential in addition to the fact that people might like NaruHina (and/or dislike NaruSaku) for personal reasons that makes them ignore how the story has built up on the idea of Naruto and Sakura ending up together.

The flow of the story should tell you that Sakura is slowly coming to love Naruto more and more. But for whatever personal reason people have preferences for the how Hinata loves Naruto and/or how Sakura loves Sasuke, and so they rather bet on the hope that the boys will start loving them back instead of thinking about the slow and constant build up that Sakura has gone through when it comes to her views of Naruto.

Naruto and Sakura where already good friends by the end of Part 1, she even said she trusted him completely. But then Part 2 comes along immediately starts with Sakura asking Naruto if she looks more womanly. That really took me off guard because it wasn't something I was expecting for her to say, ever. And as Part 2 progressed I realized that Kishi wanted to go beyond that friendship he cemented at Part 1, and I'm still hoping that was his ultimate plan.

Let use a phrase inspired from the movie Django:

"When it comes to NaruSaku, Part 1 development got my curiosity, but Part 2 development got my attention" - redragon88

Well said.
Thats the problem, the NH and SS fans just dont support naruto and his goals. They want hinata to get with naruto because she wants so and they want sakura to be with sasuke cause she wants so. But no one of them is supporting the goals of the main protoganist of this manga.
Naruto is the one we should support, one of his goals starting from chapter 3 was to win sakuras hearth and hes done so much to reach that goal, so i just wont understand why kishi would now destroy this, now after he so close to reach that goal.

[KnS]

I wonder why Kishi made Hinata the only one able to reckognize him in Juubi mode. Everyone was hesitating, but she knew it was him. I guess Hinata knows Naruto better than we think, but there are some very important aspects of him that she's not aware of. Thus they don't fit.

Did you maybe mean Kyubi mode?

And I don't remember everyone hesitating. Neji and Kiba did, and they questioned Naruto's clone. Kiba mentions how Naruto's smell had changed, so it was a pretty smart and logical thing to do considering the circumstances. Of course, Shino said nothing.

I wouldn't say that scene is proof that Hinata knows Naruto well, or knows him in a special or significant way unlike anyone else. However, since she's apparently been focused on little else but him for quite some time now, I would hope she could recognize him.

If anything, considering it was life and death battle conditions and they had already been infiltrated by imposters, Neji and Kiba's response was more appropriate, and in that moment Hinata was simply displaying her tendency to lack a shinobi's instinct, critical thinking, and attention to any matter beyond the importance Naruto represents to her.

Just my opinion.

[Nostradamus]

Part 1 --Click here to view--

Ok so what I’m about to say now I’ve already said a long time ago the only difference is that I’m going to make it better.
First of all Kishi can end the story with either Narusaku or Naruhina or Sasusaku or both Naruhina and Sasusaku. Now why can he end the story with Naruhina or Sasusaku, well a couple of reasons. Maybe this is what he wanted to do from the very beginning or maybe he decided to change his original plan or maybe someone higher than him tells him what to do or maybe he decided to give the fans what they want or maybe he just lost it.
Now if Kishi really ends with Naruhina or Sasusaku or both well that raises a lot of questions. First of all if this is really what he’s doing then why not develop Naruhina and Sasusaku, why only develop Narusaku?
Why do all the parallels support Narusaku? We have three parallels Jiraiya-Tsunade, Minato-Kushina and most recently Obito-Rin and the relationship between these characters is pretty much identical to the relationship that Naruto and Sakura have. We saw that Naruto has a lot in common with Jiraiya, Minato and Obito and Sakura has a lot in common Tsunade, Kushina and Rin. Hinata doesn’t act or is similar to Tsunade, Kushina and most importantly Rin and she doesn’t even have a similar connection with Naruto like Tsunade had with Jiraiya, Kushina had with Minato or Obito had with Rin. Actually we have never seen a parallel to Hinata ever, sure fans struggle to make her look like Tsunade or Kushina or even Rin but that doesn’t mean it’s true.
Why do we see that Sakura feelings for Naruto go beyond friendship? Why haven’t we seen a moment that could tell us that Sasuke has romantic feelings for Sakura? And most importantly why haven’t we seen a moment that tells us that Naruto’s feelings for Hinata are more than just friendship that he has romantic feelings for her? Even now after 615 chapters we have never seen a moment that could tell us that Naruto has romantic feelings for Hinata. And by that I mean a moment where he blushes at her or says something like “She’s beautiful, she’s sexy, she’s attractive, she’s cute, she was big boobs, she has a great body” anything that could tell us that he views her in a romantic light, that he wants to get her in bed. Naruto has never complimented Hinata on her looks, actually if think about it the only one that ever complimented Hinata on her looks is Neji. Neji is the only one who said that Hinata is cute.
If you read the manga and forget that you’re a Narusaku, Naruhina or Sasusaku fan and just read it as unbiased reader what you’ll see is Naruto and Sakura combined with some drama combined with two poorly executed love triangles. The first love triangle is the one between Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke, the second one is between Naruto, Sakura and Hinata. In the first one Naruto shows romantic feelings for Sakura, Sasuke shows no romantic feelings for Sakura and Sakura shows romantic feelings for Sasuke and Naruto. In the second one Sakura shows romantic feelings for Naruto, Hinata shows romantic feelings for Naruto and Naruto doesn’t show any romantic feelings for Hinata, he only shows romantic feelings for Sakura.
Why do we have constant reminders that Naruto doesn’t change? Than whom he is and his feelings don’t change. We saw that he doesn’t really change he grows up, he evolves, his feelings evolve they grow stronger. Why haven’t we seen a moment that could tell us that he doesn’t love Sakura romantically anymore and those feelings are going towards Hinata? Why is one of the themes in "Naruto" to never give up on anything if in the end Naruto is going to give up? Why do we see that Naruto and Sakura go with the story? It goes with that theme to never give up.
Why do we have so many moments between Naruto and Sakura? Why did he development Naruto and Sakura’s relationship since chapter 3? Why did he spend so many years on Naruto and Sakura if in the end he will end with a different paring? Why show us that Sakura’s initial impression on Naruto was wrong? Why do we see that her first impression on him changes? Why put so much emphasis on Sakura’s feelings? Why show us that she went from hating the guy to loving the guy? (If you want to view it romantically or not it’s up to you but you cannot deny the fact that Sakura loves Naruto).

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Why does he constantly give hints that Naruto and Sakura are going to be together, if in the end he’s going to make something else? Why even create a movie about Naruto and Sakura and parents (Road to Ninja) and give us hints in the movie that there is something going on between Naruto and Sakura.
So can Kishi end with Naruhina or Sasusaku or both, the answer is yes. Now if he does that all the Narusaku fans will view him as an idiot, all the Naruhina/Sasusaku fans will view him as a god because he gave them what they wanted but most importantly are the Naruto fans the ones that care about the story, about the characters, about the plot, about the themes and about the quality of it. Now the Naruto fans will view him as a clown. Why exactly will they (Myself included) view him as a clown? I’ll tell you.
Because if Kishi decides for whatever reason to make Naruhina or Sasusaku or both that basically means that he will destroy his own story, his own character (Naruto), he will destroy the lesson that he sought to teach us “To never give up” that lesson will be destroyed. Think about it the entire story we saw that Naruto’s character is about him not changing but evolving and that goes for his feelings as well, they don’t change they grow stronger and stronger. We’ve been bombarded with this theme “To never give up”. Now towards the end of the story you don’t decide to change the main character, to change his feelings, that’s just bad writing. You cannot expect the followers of your story to accept that the main character is changing, that his feelings are eradicated and forgotten, feelings that he had for someone else since the start. As a follower of “Naruto” you cannot accept that the main character had feelings for someone else the entire story and towards the end he goes for some random bimbo, without even showing us that his feelings are changing, that he isn’t in love with Sakura anymore. That’s just bad writing. If in the end he’ll go for Hinata, he basically is giving up. Hinata is the opposite of “To never give up” she is giving up. Think about it if Naruto all of a sudden chooses Hinata, he basically chooses to give up. It’s like Naruto all of a sudden says “I give up on trying to save Sasuke from the dark side to much effort” or “I give up trying to bring peace in the world it’s way too much headache” or “I give up on trying to be Hokage it’s too hard and it’s not that interesting” if in the end he decided to give up on his feelings for Sakura and goes to Hinata that means he gave up. Choosing Hinata is giving up, choosing her means that he failed, she is the easy way out, and she is temptation.
That’s why he is going to look like a clown, he will destroy everything he created. For you Naruhina fans you must understand that creating Naruhina now is bad writing.
The only way Kishi could’ve created Naruhina without looking like a clown is if he develop Naruhina and that development was done 400 chapters ago, if Naruto’s character was about him changing, if the theme “Never give up” never existed, if Naruto would’ve showed romantic feelings for Hinata a long time ago and he would’ve showed that he doesn’t have any romantic feelings for Sakura anymore, if we would’ve seen that Naruto is starting to change his love for Sakura and that love is going towards Hinata. If we didn’t have so many parallels that support Narusaku.
I have a lot more to say but I want to post this before 616 comes out, so I’m going to say a couple of things.
Is the moment in 615 romantic, the holding hands, the gesture itself is that romantic? Well yes it is, let’s be honest, but is it really?
Again I have to say there is nothing in this moment that could tell us that Naruto has romantic feelings for Hinata, Nothing. Yes he grabbed her hand and we see at the end of the chapter why, he is giving her chakra, we see that Hinata is powering up something that she cannot do, so we understand that’s why Naruto is holding her hand, to give her power.
For all of you Naruhina fans stop saying Naruhina is official that this chapter is a Naruhina confirmation because it’s not. You cannot say Naruhina is official Until Naruto shows romantic feelings for Hinata And shows that he doesn’t have any romantic feelings for Sakura anymore. Like I said before a moment where he say something like “Wow she’s cute, she’s sexy, she’s beautiful, she’s attractive, etc.” anything that could tell us that he wants her in bed.
And something similar can be said about you Narusaku fans as well, you who said that Naruhina is official and you who basically gave up without even thinking at all. I already said this and I’ll say it again and again until you get it. Until we have a moment that tells us that Naruto is romantically in love with Hinata And he isn’t romantically in love with Sakura, You cannot say Naruhina is canon.
So in conclusion can Kishi end with Naruhina or Sasusaku or both? Yes he can. But he can’t do it without looking like a clown. It’s too late for putting Naruto and Hinata together the right away. It’s too late for that. He can’t do it without making a complete fool out of himself.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Wow, I was in the train ride and there is so many posts to read, not to mention they're long. That said it was well worth my time and you guys are right about the flow of the story and everything about it. People are really looking for logical story and so far, it has, but maybe next chapters will finally determine it. People will know something is not right and the ranking will speak for itself. In Bakuman, if you're trying to change the story to please some, it will effect the overall and even the fans who supports it will be disappointed. Kishi should know already.

Last thing to say is it didn't matter about Hinata knowing Naruto in Kyuubi. It just so happen that these two sensors couldn't trust him for a minute. Hinata just try to tell them that is him so no fiasco can happen in the war. Other than that, that's all. Nothing to look on deeply.

I'll tell you what, if Kishi manages to show NS or at least end NH soon, knowing that this arc is all side characters last shot, then, I will buy all his volumes, each by each. Not only that, I heard NA gets a limited edition of Naruto Storm 3 the video game. I'll get that too. So, now it is a decisive battle. If Kishi can tell all of us that NS is the one, like the movie, then I'll work on my bet. This is my bet and sticking to it.

[sushi.]

Did you maybe mean Kyubi mode?

And I don't remember everyone hesitating. Neji and Kiba did, and they questioned Naruto's clone. Kiba mentions how Naruto's smell had changed, so it was a pretty smart and logical thing to do considering the circumstances. Of course, Shino said nothing.

I wouldn't say that scene is proof that Hinata knows Naruto well, or knows him in a special or significant way unlike anyone else. However, since she's apparently been focused on little else but him for quite some time now, I would hope she could recognize him.

If anything, considering it was life and death battle conditions and they had already been infiltrated by imposters, Neji and Kiba's response was more appropriate, and in that moment Hinata was simply displaying her tendency to lack a shinobi's instinct, critical thinking, and attention to any matter beyond the importance Naruto represents to her.

Just my opinion.

Yes, I mean Kyuubi mode. And I don't think she knows Naruto more than his other friends, but I disagree with people who say she doesn't really know him. She doesn't know him enough to live a life with him, in fact I think the only things she knows of him is what inspired her. And by everyone, I mean everyone that was around them at time. Long since I read the chapter, but I think she was the only one who reckognized him. I just wondered why Kishi put Hinata of all people in the shining role of reckognizing him, but I never thought about the fact that Sakura and Shizune did too lol.

Nostradamus, I agree with you, especially when you said he would look like a clown if he makes NH canon. : D If he does, I hope someone interviews him and questions him about all the parallells and NS development..he'll be stuttering all the time, and wouldn't know what to say. XD

[PhenixElite]

Nostradamus, I agree with you, especially when you said he would look like a clown if he makes NH canon. : D If he does, I hope someone interviews him and questions him about all the parallells and NS development..he'll be stuttering all the time, and wouldn't know what to say. XD

Ohhhh right, if he does that i also want him to have an interview with that questions, then i would like him to suffer for his mistakes