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[Psychox]

Yeah, I understand. It's just man, don't go poking around, because it will bite back.

 

Forum was getting new members but for all the wrong intentions, so we got mods heavily busy to delete those posts and banning them. It was hell needless to say. I stood away from the forum for a day. Yeah, well, it's possible for round 2 but this time well you get the picture. Just in case, be prepared.

 

Did they come here to make fun of us ?   Because i can recall a member from NB mentioning something about 615 with such a vibe and the feelings was disgusting ..

[arian_rad]

Am I the only one that when we see a narusaku hug at the end of the war wants to see a panel of sasuke thinking "what the hell happend with these two when I was gone?"

[BakeNeko-Chan]

off topic, but did anybody see something weird at the current naruto opening? lmao...

an Anti-Aircraft Gun at Madara's.......

 

Well, that's strange. Can't say I have an explanation for that, I don't even watch the Naruto anime anymore. They make too many changes, it bugs me

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

Did they come here to make fun of us ?   Because i can recall a member from NB mentioning something about 615 with such a vibe and the feelings was disgusting ..

They did. It was rough and somehow, I believe it made us more of a hater than ever if anything. I joined in last year but I think the rule got much stricter after the event. But I am not sure. I'm only thinking the possibility. So yeah, it was rough, but now we're back and in full force. That's what matters.

 

Am I the only one that when we see a narusaku hug at the end of the war wants to see a panel of sasuke thinking "what the hell happend with these two when I was gone?"

That would be a good comedy. I can see him, "Damn, Konoha changed too much when I left." Though realistically, I can see him doing "Hm" look. No jealousy, just it's all over and Naruto sure damn saved it.

[sushi.]

I think whatever pairing becomes canon, the most common excuse will be "bad writing". Even I will use this if NH becomes canon, but I doubt I'll spread it around in other places than here.

[Psychox]

They did. It was rough and somehow, I believe it made us more of a hater than ever if anything. I joined in last year but I think the rule got much stricter after the event. But I am not sure. I'm only thinking the possibility. So yeah, it was rough, but now we're back and in full force. That's what matters.

 

Pfft .. This is just pure arrogance and dishonor to the other persona .That's just rich . Have your own opinion and so on , i don't care , but coming in the site to pester other people for what? A fictional pairing?    I shouldn't be surprised at all , i meet that kind of people on tubmlr regularly . That's why when i got to chat with them is was disappointing, because the only thing you''ll get is bashed . It brings nothing but negativity and you are left angry . Meh.. That's why i stay away in most cases .

[Question22]

Sasuke would be happy for Naruto if he wins Sakura's hearth

 

I mean he is hes  best friend , i also think Sasuke noticed that Naruto loves her along time ago so :C 

 

Its just like Kakashi , he told Rin that he is the scum that would abond her , that Obito's feelings for her were strong , even thought he failed expressing them =/

 

Just look at Obito , i think thats what would happen to Naruto if he fall in to the dark side.

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This is sketch for Kishi-sensei when he developed Naruto

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But in that time Tsundere in its peak of popularity so it shelved. So I don't agree that you said that Kishi-sensei isn't flexible

 

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Sakura will make sure to trample all over that, am i rite NaruSakus?

 

 

And why NS moment slide Naruto rank in WSJ while NH moment improve it ? More specifically, WSJ audience already tired with Tsundere.

 

 

It think my point is Kishi-sensei is a flexible mangaka, he is willing to listen outside input. Most of NS fans always stated that he stubborn like Kubo Tite, but in reality he not that stubborn.

 

 

But NH fans won't forgave Kishi-sensei that easily, actually they are the fiercest Naruto defender. But they can change into fiercest hater if Kishi-sensei not flexible.

 

 

How about this manga-panel, she shout Sasuke-kun when help by Naruto and Sasuke

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and don't forget that Sasuke-kun already back again

 

 

Naruto never stated in this manga that he's IN LOVE with Sakura.

 

 

Don't forget that Naruto is protest to Sakura, why she just say "Sasuke-kun"

 

 

If not forget NS fans love to argue that NS will happen because it idiot hero and tsundere, because this pair usually end as canon in other anime / manga series.

 

 

Actually only character poll which officially, and based on recent poll Hinata is the most popular female character in Naruto

 

 

Some NS like to claim that they are majority but the reality is different NH and NS almost equal.

 

 

Nobody expect Bulma x Vegeta in DB but it happen.

 

 

NH stuck with NS while NS stuck with SS, all of ship in Naruto is stuck. But the last page of 647 is really something.

 

 

Ive noticed kishi has really gone out of his way to include Hinata panels in as much chapters as he can. in 647 alone she had a panel on like 3 pages. and every panel she is in has something to do with naruto in a worried or confident way. It seems as though kishimoto is really trying to get people used to seeing hinata in there involved in the manga, maybe as to make a possible naruhina end not seem foreign. he also has the tendency of putting her on the last page of a chapter.

Im trying my best to think about this from a neutral point of view, despite my naruhina preference.

 

 

FMA mangaka cleverly evolve Winry so she became acceptable but in Sakura case, all of us knew Kishi-sensi hobby right. Like in recent chapter She so beat up so badly by Shinju, but luckily Sai help her out.  

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Compare with Hinata who I assume manage to escape by herself.  

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I think Kishi-sensei already ruin Sakura too much, even Akira Toriyama not that evil with Bulma.

 

 

Yes. Way to be Cpt. Obvious.

I don't like the way she keeps being used if she is not going to be endgame though. Kishimoto keeps insisting on showing her drooling over Naruto every chance he gets, but if at the end of this war Naruto is bound to end up with Sakura, then that makes her look much worse. After the confession, there is no reason for Kishimoto to keep empathizing Hinata's love for Naruto, not to mention putting her life on the line again. Sakura has never done anything like that for Naruto. Not even close. Yet she'll reap Hinata's efforts? Imagine re-reading the mange after it's alll said and done. How stupid will all these "Hinata sacrifices" look when you know at the end she's brushed aside and Naruto hooks up with Sakura. Also, by constantly reminding the readers that Hinata is still drooling over Naruto, he's not giving time for Hinata to change her stance from "I want to be with you", to "I want you to be happy". Such a sudden turnaround is not realistic at the moment and if he continues to show Hinata in this fashion, will continue to be unrealistic. Kishimoto will seem like he's just been milking the Hinata cow basically.



As an added bonus for NaruSakus, let's do some "fanfiction" and please try to get my point here. Let's pretend this.

Sakura>Sasuke>Naruto>Hinata

Sakura has always loved Sasuke. Sasuke has been cold to Naruto (rivals and whatnot), but has a sweet spot for him. Naruto doesn't love Sasuke, but is dying for Hinata. Hinata seems like doesn't like Naruto, left the village and turned evil. (See what I did there?)

How would you view Naruto if the following happened:

Sakura saved Sasuke's life twice already and has helped him get encouragement more than once. Her love for Sasuke seems like it's much greater than any other love portrayed in the series. Naruto saw and/or knows Sakura confessed to Sasuke and is greatly in love with him. Sasuke has recognized Sakura a couple of times and even held hands with her, thanking her for being with him. Sasuke and Naruto have gotten very close ever since Hinata left. Sasuke wants to try and bring Hinata back since it's their comrade and it will make Naruto happy. Naruto gets depressed often and Sasuke finds a way to lift him up every now and then. Time passes and Naruto seems to have begun to fall out of love for Hinata. Naruto and Sasuke are very good friends. Sakura keeps making the best effort to be acknowledged by Sasuke. At the end, Naruto doesn't love Hinata anymore since she's different and they haven't had much time to spend together. Knowing that Sakura always loved Sasuke, confessed first, sacrificed her life a couple of times for him and keeps trying to be acknowledged by Sasuke to this very day, Naruto doesn't give a damn and hooks up with Sasuke since he's always been there for him. Sakura is shown happy since Sasuke is happy.

FIN.

[sushi.]

Some of them are old, some of them are not worth debating. (The Vegeta x Bulma one, or that Kishi is stubborn lol) Basically the arguments weren't good.

 

The second picture, I don't understand at all what Sakura has to "trample all over". But pairings aside, I enjoyed her thoughts to Naruto in this chapter more than Hinata's.

 

Even Ino says something similar to Sakura's line. But the face Sakura made..it was very beautiful and emotional and it looked like his heart really reached her. I think that is much much more powerful than Hinata's moment. She said and did the same as usual.."Naruto-kun", it's a pretty empty thought. OK, 'Naruto-kun' what, Hinata? (lol)

 

Actually the newest theory I've come across is that Hinata is the reincarnation of Kaguya.. XDDDD!!

 

But if you really want something worth debunking, take on this.

[Branden]

If any of those arguments make you doubt NS or think that NH is more likely then we should discuss it. If not then don't talk about them.

[Psychox]

What is the nature of the Sasuke ——> Sakura relationship and how does it affect Sasuke?

We Should stop here since this relationship doesn't affect him by an iota . She was the weakest link to brake and the easiest to forget in a way. The only one capable of changing Sasuke's heart/motives/goals is NARUTO . How do we know this? Well, we have a conversation between Orochimaru and Kabuto after the second chuunin exam and they talked how they should separate them , because Naruto's influence was strong and he was forgetting about his revenge . Furthermore, Sasuke gave up on his revenge during the fight with Haku for Naruto, he didn't do that with Sakura and she tried everything to persuade him during her confession to him and imagine that , nothing she said worked ! So following the logic , Sakura has no positive influence on Sasuke at all.  

The one who brought him out of the dark pit he fell under the Samurai bridge was Naruto '''Because you are my friend'' and he woke up more or less. So i think there is no reason to read further in that argument .

The only people precious to Sasuke were Itachi->Naruto->Karin more or less.

That's why she filled his lonely existence doesn't make any sense , because he didn't let her in ,at all .

Not long after this scene, Team 7 meets Kakashi and they do the bell test. The interactions between Sasuke and Sakura are still platonic at this stage.

Pfft... ''still platonic '' with that argument i just lost interest in reading , can someone tell me when did SS exceeded that level? Oh god .. i rather say nothing more.

Because honestly, Naruto wouldn’t of been able to change Sakura like Sasuke.

That's why she decided NOT to give up on Sasuke like 10 times in the manga and became medical  Ninja
to aid Naruto and save Sasuke... Oh i dare in reblogging that , but not now , tomorrow ,because this is full of miss interpretations (not gonna say the B word, cuz its bad ^_^.)



 

Edited by Psychox, 20 September 2013 - 07:40 PM.

[Question22]

These arguments are taken from mangafox i know them

 

there are lot of NH fans there , hardly i find a NS fan duh :(

 

if i state my reasons i get insulted thats why i swore never to post about ns there

Edited by Question22, 20 September 2013 - 07:42 PM.

[sushi.]

I agree with you, but I still think the post had very nice arguments.

 

I think there's no doubt Sakura had influence on Sasuke in part 1(Naruto had much more I know), but for some reason he is indifferent to her in Shippuden. The first meeting had potential, but it was all SasuNaru action.

The perfect moment to show that Sakura could still affect Sasuke would be the murder attempts. It doesn't move him a bit, in fact Kishi chose Karin to represent it instead. It says on the sidelines of a chapter that Karin caused Sasuke's entrance to the darkness, and that should in my opinion not be bypassed. Even though he tried to kill Sakura after that, he was still affected by Naruto and he only had to use his beautiful words. What makes it worse is, even after two times it had no effect on Sasuke's mentality. I think that no matter how far you've fallen, if you try to kill your love, it will affect you in some way.

 

I still think he has Sakura in his heart somewhere, but only as a teammate because she only shows up in his mind together with Team 7.

If any of those arguments make you doubt NS or think that NH is more likely then we should discuss it. If not then don't talk about them.

That's not my rule, not how I think of it. I don't want to ignore something just because it's anti-NS, it's very well analyzed nonetheless. You might come across an interesting POV even if it doesn't convince you.

Edited by sushi., 20 September 2013 - 07:49 PM.

[Psychox]

I agree with you, but I still think the post had very nice arguments.

 

I think there's no doubt Sakura had influence on Sasuke in part 1(Naruto had much more I know), but for some reason he is indifferent to her in Shippuden. The first meeting had potential, but it was all SasuNaru action.

The perfect moment to show that Sakura could still affect Sasuke would be the murder attempts. It doesn't move him a bit, in fact Kishi chose Karin to represent it instead. It says on the sidelines of a chapter that Karin caused Sasuke's entrance to the darkness, and that should in my opinion not be bypassed. Even though he tried to kill Sakura after that, he was still affected by Naruto and he only had to use his beautiful words. I think that no matter how far you've fallen, if you try to kill your love, it will affect you in some way.

 

I still think he has Sakura in his heart somewhere, but only as a teammate because she only shows up in his mind together with Team 7.

That's not my rule, not how I think of it. I don't want to ignore something just because it's anti-NS, it's very well analyzed nonetheless. You might come across an interesting POV even if it doesn't convince you.

Hm.. maybe, i didn't read the entire LAP because of those two sentences which are bringing the powerful adjective  B word ... Hm, I am thinking hard just how Sakura had positive influence on him , but I'm having difficulties remembering any. Does that make me biased? I just can't remember.Yes , she was a part of his new family in team 7 and he was ready to face Gaara in that fight , but that only unlocked his lust for power even more . IF that counts than sure..  ^_^

I am positive that he was indifferent to her love in part 1 as well, but that's just me .

Bolded : Yes, precisely , I've read it in a SK  rant ,so that ensures the strong argument that Karin was the ''instrument'' to push him in the pit of darkness.Sacrificing her to achieve his revenge  made him go berserk . Yeah , he even hesitated in finishing off Karin, so any argument of how Sakura is precious to Sasuke is debunked by Karin's presence , that's why they hate her A LOT.

Yeah, that much is true , she is somewhere , but she isn't special like Karin,Naruto or Itachi in the matter, just like you said , he remembered her as part of team 7 in three occasions.

-Before he left during her confession
-Bee fight
-639 the picture slash

But more than that , she doesn't go above that level -just a teammate

(But interactions between Sasuke and Sakura are still platonic at this sta...)
That is where i just lost interest ..

[BakeNeko-Chan]

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 Okay I am not going to go over the whole thing, just the first two, because they bug me. First, about the Hinata sketch, what make them so sure that if say, Hinata was originally going to be the heroine, that she wouldn't have been a tsundere? There's certainly no proof of that or that she was ever going to play a significant role at all. It's a concept sketch, nothing more, nothing less, I think it's silly to make such a fuss over it when the manga we have now very clearly speaks for itself.

And the second "I won't let it go to waste - expect Hinata's feelings". What about HIS FEELINGS, do they seriously mean NOTHING? This is Naruto's story not Hinata's. N-A-R-U-T-O, that is what the manga is called, is it not? NARUTO loves Sakura, this is about him not letting what HE wants and what HE desires go to waste, not about a side character winning over the hero. Naruto is not going to change, that has been made clear SO MANY TIMES, and not just in love, in anything. He will grow and mature but he will not change. It's been almost 700 chapters, if Naruto hasn't question what he feels for Sakura and hasn't hinted at seeing Hinata in any sort of romantic light by now, he never will.

Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 20 September 2013 - 08:36 PM.

[Psychox]

 Okay I am not going to go over the whole thing, just the first two, because they bug me. First, about the Hinata sketch, what make them so sure that if say, Hinata was originally going to be the heroine, that she wouldn't have been a tsundere? There's certainly no proof of that or that she was ever going to play a significant role at all. It's a concept sketch, nothing more, nothing less, I think it's silly to make such a fuss over it when the manga we have now very clearly speaks for itself.

And the second "I won't let it go to waste - expect Hinata's feelings". What about HIS FEELINGS, do they seriously mean NOTHING? This is Naruto's story not Hinata's. N-A-R-U-T-O, that is what the manga is called, is it not? NARUTO loves Sakura, this is about him not letting what HE wants and what HE desires go to waste, not about a side character winning over the hero. Naruto is not going to change, that has been made clear SO MANY TIMES, and not just in love, in anything. He will grow and mature but he will not change. It's been almost 700 chapters, if Naruto hasn't question what he feels for Sakura and hasn't hinted at seeing Hinata in any sort of romantic light by now, he never will.

Yeah.. but i can bring you their ''counter arguments'' to that statement , if you like

[morgaine4]

Hm.. maybe, i didn't read the entire LAP because of those two sentences which are bringing the powerful adjective  B word ... Hm, I am thinking hard just how Sakura had positive influence on him , but I'm having difficulties remembering any. Does that make me biased? I just can't remember.Yes , she was a part of his new family in team 7 and he was ready to face Gaara in that fight , but that only unlocked his lust for power even more . IF that counts than sure..  ^_^

 

She was able to stop him when he was first under the effects of the curse seal, and I believe he referred to both Naruto and Sakura as his precious people.

[Question22]

Why they always think about Hinata's feelings?

 

why dont they think about Naruto , the poor guy that is trying to get attention from Sakura-Chan

 

even thought she loves Sasuke , he wants to make her happy , could he seriously hop in to Hinata's side?

 

then Naruto would end up lying  to himself.

 

just think about it what would NS bring us a message to the ending

 

Love is what makes you secure ,happy, and the person that makes you feel alive 

Edited by Question22, 20 September 2013 - 10:08 PM.

[deviouslyChaotic]

I hate it when they say, "Naruto never said he LOVED Sakura."

He doesn't need to directly or bluntly say, "I LOVE Sakura!" It's implicit, meaning that it's implied. Actions speak louder than words and we can blatantly tell from his actions that he obviously loves her. Does Kishi really need to spoon-feed his audience in order from them to understand the obvious?

I find it funny how they'll say he doesn't love Sakura because he never explicitly said he loved her, yet they'll say he loves Hinata and no longer has feelings for Sakura even when he NEVER explicitly said so OR imply anything of the sort. He never said he "loves" Hinata either so why is it ok for them to claim that HE loves HER, yet when WE state the obvious we get shot down and have these fatuous excuses as to why he doesn't love her shoved in our faces? Naruto's love for Sakura is incontrovertible. That should be obvious to everyone regardless of what fandom you're in.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
She was able to stop him when he was first under the effects of the curse seal, and I believe he referred to both Naruto and Sakura as his precious people.

See that's good and bad because not once we hear from him about them being individuals. Naruto, on the other hand, has done it a dozen of times. The worst part, if you really into Sasuke thinking Sakura as individual that is, is when his curse seal was coming out during his elimination match, he thought of both of them when it comes to worry. Nice moment but again, it should have been only her as Naruto could be the one to tell him don't lose in real time, not gathering flashbacks. That's why we never got a real sad moment and that's why Sakura pretty much acknowledged that as individuals, there's nothing going on at all.