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#8421 Chucky-kun

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 01:14 AM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 14 2013, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lol, what do you guys think about this?



They're so meant to be, right? tongue.gif wink.gif

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 02:15 AM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 13 2013, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lol, what do you guys think about this?



They're so meant to be, right? tongue.gif wink.gif


I think I laughed way harder at this than I should have. XD

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:24 AM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 13 2013, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lol, what do you guys think about this?



They're so meant to be, right? tongue.gif wink.gif


Looking this picture makes me think that there is a plot NH and SS VS NS

Are we alone in this war or we have a alliance?

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:27 AM

Oh man, couldn't be more opposite. We are the underdog, aren't we?

No, we have no alliance. It will be a huge win if we take out NH. Right now, we are in that situation. Sadly, both of them don't support Naruto. You know, the guy who Kishi created it to support him all the way. The one who is selfless out of all. Yeah...

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:02 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Jan 13 2013, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh man, couldn't be more opposite. We are the underdog, aren't we?

No, we have no alliance. It will be a huge win if we take out NH. Right now, we are in that situation. Sadly, both of them don't support Naruto. You know, the guy who Kishi created it to support him all the way. The one who is selfless out of all. Yeah...


We sure do seem like the underdogs for sure. But to be honest, one edge we got is the FACT that NaruSaku has had solid developement, and that even if Sakura's unsure whether she loves Naruto or not, in spite of the facts to the contrary really.... that we know she and Naruto care a lot about each other, regardless of Naruto not letting her fully in and trying too hard to burden everything alone and all.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:15 AM

QUOTE (Bryon_Konoha_Ninja @ Jan 14 2013, 09:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We sure do seem like the underdogs for sure. But to be honest, one edge we got is the FACT that NaruSaku has had solid developement, and that even if Sakura's unsure whether she loves Naruto or not, in spite of the facts to the contrary really.... that we know she and Naruto care a lot about each other, regardless of Naruto not letting her fully in and trying too hard to burden everything alone and all.

Theres the good question, why kishi even shows sakura unsure of her feelings for naruto if he intends to make another couple canon. We should consider that sakura is the only one who was shown to change her feelings, but why if kishi really is about to end it with NH?

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:27 AM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 13 2013, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lol, what do you guys think about this?



They're so meant to be, right? tongue.gif wink.gif

Here, let me fix that:



Ah better. Good old light vs dark. You know, as in the main freaking theme of the story.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:28 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jan 14 2013, 08:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Here, let me fix that:



Ah better. Good old light vs dark. You know, as in the main freaking theme of the story.

Thought so, heheh. wink.gif

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Jan 14 2013, 08:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Theres the good question, why kishi even shows sakura unsure of her feelings for naruto if he intends to make another couple canon. We should consider that sakura is the only one who was shown to change her feelings, but why if kishi really is about to end it with NH?


To me, that would seem out of her character, honestly.
She had no problem in going for Sasuke if it meant Naruto is safe, ending it with NH just because Hinata happened to be there, at the right time, in both cases, it's...ugh!
I can't express it in words.

Edited by Chatte, 14 January 2013 - 10:30 AM.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:42 AM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 14 2013, 11:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thought so, heheh. wink.gif



To me, that would seem out of her character, honestly.
She had no problem in going for Sasuke if it meant Naruto is safe, ending it with NH just because Hinata happened to be there, at the right time, in both cases, it's...ugh!
I can't express it in words.

Yeah, its really to believe that kishi would destroy the characters of his main protoganist and main heroine and also damage the story badly. Thats why i really cant see him doing that. Why should he betray his own work?
If its really ending with NH or SS i can only imagine that kishi was forced to do it.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 10:52 AM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Jan 14 2013, 11:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, its really to believe that kishi would destroy the characters of his main protoganist and main heroine and also damage the story badly. Thats why i really cant see him doing that. Why should he betray his own work?
If its really ending with NH or SS i can only imagine that kishi was forced to do it.

Well being forced to do it doesn't excuse it, to be honest.
I mean, yes, I understand, money, publicity, media and such...but, what about your integrity?

Anyway, what do you guys feel about those who think NS works just because of parallels, other than that, they don't go... I mean, hell, people really deny the facts that it works not only because of that but because Sakura has developed feelings for Naruto? Geez...

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:19 AM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 14 2013, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well being forced to do it doesn't excuse it, to be honest.
I mean, yes, I understand, money, publicity, media and such...but, what about your integrity?

Anyway, what do you guys feel about those who think NS works just because of parallels, other than that, they don't go... I mean, hell, people really deny the facts that it works not only because of that but because Sakura has developed feelings for Naruto? Geez...

The parallels are just strenghtening NS, but they have nothing to do with the development NS has till now. The parallels make it even hatder to believe that kishi is going for something else then NS.
But even without them NS would be the most deveoped and most likely pairing. I mean who spends the most time with naruto? Whos shown to slowly change her feelings? Who understands naruto the most?
Parallels have nothing to do with that.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:21 AM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Jan 14 2013, 08:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The parallels are just strenghtening NS, but they have nothing to do with the development NS has till now. The parallels make it even hatder to believe that kishi is going for something else then NS.
But even without them NS would be the most deveoped and most likely pairing. I mean who spends the most time with naruto? Whos shown to slowly change her feelings? Who understands naruto the most?
Parallels have nothing to do with that.

We have to see the next chapters.
Because after 615 he may start changing the route.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:32 AM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Jan 14 2013, 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We have to see the next chapters.
Because after 615 he may start changing the route.

Sure its possible, but hes going to heavily damage his manga with it, so i doubt it.
I also don think we will see this only with help of the next chapter. We will have to wait for a lot more chapters to be sure.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 11:59 AM

NH fans parallell MinaxKushi, but ignore the other very obvious parallells. Example: JiraiyaxTsunade. That is a very blunt parallell, Jiraiya's dying words are nothing to them. tongue.gif

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:20 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Jan 14 2013, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The parallels are just strenghtening NS, but they have nothing to do with the development NS has till now. The parallels make it even hatder to believe that kishi is going for something else then NS.
But even without them NS would be the most deveoped and most likely pairing. I mean who spends the most time with naruto? Whos shown to slowly change her feelings? Who understands naruto the most?
Parallels have nothing to do with that.


Exactly! You have so much development without parallels that is crazy!


QUOTE (sushi. @ Jan 14 2013, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
NH fans parallell MinaxKushi, but ignore the other very obvious parallells. Example: JiraiyaxTsunade. That is a very blunt parallell, Jiraiya's dying words are nothing to them. tongue.gif


Well, the problem is there's nothing to parallel there, because you can parallel with other stuff, also. The problem here it's that it's not exclusive to them.

I just had a revelation, lol. About Sakura's confession, 540 and later, 573.

Sakura confessed Naruto, Naruto rejected her because of Sasuke. In 540 when she says there's someone else who... pause, the nin guys says, he must be a great guy, hope it works out for you, tra la la. Sakura thinks at Sasuke.
As I previously said, what if she thinks that it won't work out with that other guy BECAUSE of Sasuke, so that's why she thinks at him? What if, in 573, that part we're going to be together, no matter what you say, refers at the fact, she's going to be with him, no matter what Naruto says now regarding Sasuke?
In the end, the reason why Naruto rejected her was Sasuke, because he thought that she hasn't been moving from him, yet, she was saying she was and quite spirited. Kishi also enforces that. Not to mention, as I told you, she had no problem in calling him a criminal and glare at him when it came to Naruto's safety or Naruto's feelings.
Yes, she didn't killed him and she thought at him.
But what if those "I thought I could do it" and her crying was, indeed, a part of her not being able to, but also cying because she couldn't be of use to Naruto and failed to protect him. In her mind of course.
I think at this because as she said, "Naruto's resolve is way better than mine, I am supposed to be a ninja, yet I always fail" etc, something like that.
What if part of it, it was because she felt like she couldn't keep her promise to Naruto, of bringing back Sasuke?
Also, comparing resolves and how she wasn't ready back then, Naruto wasn't either until he had the clash. Afterwards, he was certain of what he had to do.
When the love letter nin came and said "hope it works out for you" what if, like I said, she was thinking at Sasuke because he's the reason things are NOT working out for her?
And now, with that we're going to be together, no matter what you say (Naruto's rejection), Sakura is ready to face Sasuke because after that love letter nin guy said, she realized that Sasuke IS the impediment in her and Naruto's way of working out?
What do you guys think? Does it makes any sense what I'm saying? I know my English sucks sometimes and now I'm writing on the hurry.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:42 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 14 2013, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Exactly! You have so much development without parallels that is crazy!




Well, the problem is there's nothing to parallel there, because you can parallel with other stuff, also. The problem here it's that it's not exclusive to them.

I just had a revelation, lol. About Sakura's confession, 540 and later, 573.

Sakura confessed Naruto, Naruto rejected her because of Sasuke. In 540 when she says there's someone else who... pause, the nin guys says, he must be a great guy, hope it works out for you, tra la la. Sakura thinks at Sasuke.
As I previously said, what if she thinks that it won't work out with that other guy BECAUSE of Sasuke, so that's why she thinks at him? What if, in 573, that part we're going to be together, no matter what you say, refers at the fact, she's going to be with him, no matter what Naruto says now regarding Sasuke?
In the end, the reason why Naruto rejected her was Sasuke, because he thought that she hasn't been moving from him, yet, she was saying she was and quite spirited. Kishi also enforces that. Not to mention, as I told you, she had no problem in calling him a criminal and glare at him when it came to Naruto's safety or Naruto's feelings.
Yes, she didn't killed him and she thought at him.
But what if those "I thought I could do it" and her crying was, indeed, a part of her not being able to, but also cying because she couldn't be of use to Naruto and failed to protect him. In her mind of course.
I think at this because as she said, "Naruto's resolve is way better than mine, I am supposed to be a ninja, yet I always fail" etc, something like that.
What if part of it, it was because she felt like she couldn't keep her promise to Naruto, of bringing back Sasuke?
Also, comparing resolves and how she wasn't ready back then, Naruto wasn't either until he had the clash. Afterwards, he was certain of what he had to do.
When the love letter nin came and said "hope it works out for you" what if, like I said, she was thinking at Sasuke because he's the reason things are NOT working out for her?
And now, with that we're going to be together, no matter what you say (Naruto's rejection), Sakura is ready to face Sasuke because after that love letter nin guy said, she realized that Sasuke IS the impediment in her and Naruto's way of working out?
What do you guys think? Does it makes any sense what I'm saying? I know my English sucks sometimes and now I'm writing on the hurry.

Too many people take chapter 540 at face value. Nice post.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:51 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 14 2013, 01:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Exactly! You have so much development without parallels that is crazy!




Well, the problem is there's nothing to parallel there, because you can parallel with other stuff, also. The problem here it's that it's not exclusive to them.

I just had a revelation, lol. About Sakura's confession, 540 and later, 573.

Sakura confessed Naruto, Naruto rejected her because of Sasuke. In 540 when she says there's someone else who... pause, the nin guys says, he must be a great guy, hope it works out for you, tra la la. Sakura thinks at Sasuke.
As I previously said, what if she thinks that it won't work out with that other guy BECAUSE of Sasuke, so that's why she thinks at him? What if, in 573, that part we're going to be together, no matter what you say, refers at the fact, she's going to be with him, no matter what Naruto says now regarding Sasuke?
In the end, the reason why Naruto rejected her was Sasuke, because he thought that she hasn't been moving from him, yet, she was saying she was and quite spirited. Kishi also enforces that. Not to mention, as I told you, she had no problem in calling him a criminal and glare at him when it came to Naruto's safety or Naruto's feelings.
Yes, she didn't killed him and she thought at him.
But what if those "I thought I could do it" and her crying was, indeed, a part of her not being able to, but also cying because she couldn't be of use to Naruto and failed to protect him. In her mind of course.
I think at this because as she said, "Naruto's resolve is way better than mine, I am supposed to be a ninja, yet I always fail" etc, something like that.
What if part of it, it was because she felt like she couldn't keep her promise to Naruto, of bringing back Sasuke?
Also, comparing resolves and how she wasn't ready back then, Naruto wasn't either until he had the clash. Afterwards, he was certain of what he had to do.
When the love letter nin came and said "hope it works out for you" what if, like I said, she was thinking at Sasuke because he's the reason things are NOT working out for her?
And now, with that we're going to be together, no matter what you say (Naruto's rejection), Sakura is ready to face Sasuke because after that love letter nin guy said, she realized that Sasuke IS the impediment in her and Naruto's way of working out?
What do you guys think? Does it makes any sense what I'm saying? I know my English sucks sometimes and now I'm writing on the hurry.

We cant say for sure that this was what sakura ment, but of course its possible. We just dont know it yet.
But the thing we know is, that sasuke is the only thing that stands between naruto and sakura. Thats also the reason why NS wont be canon till the end.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:54 PM

QUOTE (Chucky-kun @ Jan 14 2013, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Too many people take chapter 540 at face value. Nice post.


Well, knowing Sakura... she won't do anything to hurt Naruto, ever. And we saw that. So she knows that her feelings for Sasuke hurt him, she knows that if her and Sasuke would be sometime in the future together, that will hurt him... so she'd rather give up her happiness than to hurt Naruto. So that's why connection 540 with 573 and her confession, I came up with this conclusion.
What if, she was indeed honest, though people doubt her. What if she was sad because things were the way they were because of Sasuke?
People expect her to think at Sasuke, it is only normal to them because everyone only sees the in-love with Sasuke Sakura. But what about the other Sakura? The Sakura that would put her life on the line for him, that would even go to kill the one she loved for him? Yes, she didn't do it, because she remembered all those things. But she was exactly like Naruto was before meeting with him and seeing that he was, indeed, now capable to kill her own team-mates. This was Naruto wake-up call in regards to him. Because for him it was hard to believe Sasuke was a criminal. He did, in the end. That was Naruto's resolution in regards to Sasuke.
But Sakura, Sakura needed other resolution.
So what if 540 was her resolution? What if, like I said, the situation with the letter nin guy was her wake-up call? That things won't work out with the one she loves because of Sasuke, so that was her breaking-point, so that's why she thought at Sasuke.
And what if, 573 was her resolution regarding everything? As in, like I said, no matter if Naruto thinks/says that she can't love him and they can't be together, they will be together and together implies also they'll fight together. And not just her, they'll all going to fight together?
Makes sense?
Geez, so many layers with these two!

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Jan 14 2013, 01:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We cant say for sure that this was what sakura ment, but of course its possible. We just dont know it yet.
But the thing we know is, that sasuke is the only thing that stands between naruto and sakura. Thats also the reason why NS wont be canon till the end.


Indeed, that was just a what-if situation. We will see if it's proven right with future chapters. smile.gif

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 02:25 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 14 2013, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just had a revelation, lol. About Sakura's confession, 540 and later, 573.

Sakura confessed Naruto, Naruto rejected her because of Sasuke. In 540 when she says there's someone else who... pause, the nin guys says, he must be a great guy, hope it works out for you, tra la la. Sakura thinks at Sasuke.
As I previously said, what if she thinks that it won't work out with that other guy BECAUSE of Sasuke, so that's why she thinks at him? What if, in 573, that part we're going to be together, no matter what you say, refers at the fact, she's going to be with him, no matter what Naruto says now regarding Sasuke?
In the end, the reason why Naruto rejected her was Sasuke, because he thought that she hasn't been moving from him, yet, she was saying she was and quite spirited. Kishi also enforces that. Not to mention, as I told you, she had no problem in calling him a criminal and glare at him when it came to Naruto's safety or Naruto's feelings.
Yes, she didn't killed him and she thought at him.
But what if those "I thought I could do it" and her crying was, indeed, a part of her not being able to, but also cying because she couldn't be of use to Naruto and failed to protect him. In her mind of course.
I think at this because as she said, "Naruto's resolve is way better than mine, I am supposed to be a ninja, yet I always fail" etc, something like that.
What if part of it, it was because she felt like she couldn't keep her promise to Naruto, of bringing back Sasuke?
Also, comparing resolves and how she wasn't ready back then, Naruto wasn't either until he had the clash. Afterwards, he was certain of what he had to do.
When the love letter nin came and said "hope it works out for you" what if, like I said, she was thinking at Sasuke because he's the reason things are NOT working out for her?
And now, with that we're going to be together, no matter what you say (Naruto's rejection), Sakura is ready to face Sasuke because after that love letter nin guy said, she realized that Sasuke IS the impediment in her and Naruto's way of working out?
What do you guys think? Does it makes any sense what I'm saying? I know my English sucks sometimes and now I'm writing on the hurry.

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I think the exact same thing. Since those chapters came out.

When Sakura confessed to Naruto, she was doing so in deed and in spirit. In words and with actions. So when people say they don't the very precise measure of her love for Naruto over Sasuke...I say it doesn't really matter anymore. She has chosen Naruto. She said she loved him, and went out to kill his best friend, the object of everything he does, so that Sasuke won't kill him or hurt anyone else. She's making the ultimate sacrifice, because she knows she's either going to die, or she's going to live and Naruto's going to hate her.

Only love would drive someone to make a fatal choice like that. And I don't see any of Naruto's other friends standing up to take the bullet for him. No one else even thinks about it. No Sai. Not Shikamaru. Not Hinata. Only Sakura.

And she doesn't talk about it, she doesn't try to drum up support. She takes it all on herself. (Which is exactly like Naruto, right?) And she could have had support if she wished. Naruto has friends everywhere now who would do anything for him. But Sakura didn't do that.

She chose to do the awful thing to protect him and keep anyone else from getting hurt. In a way that no one would ever know about. Either way, after this choice, she knew her life before was over: If she survived, she knew Naruto would hate her. Sai confirms this. So we can guess that, knowing Sakura, she would probably leave the village to make life easier for him. And the other option is that she dies, hopefully taking him down with her, as the precedent has been set in the manga with Minato and Saratobi. But either way, she has chosen this path which ends her life as she knew it. And she's done it all because she loves Naruto. And she tells him so.

I honestly don't know how people can question that kind of devotion. It's undeniable.

And her love and near-sacrifice is never undermined by Kishimoto going forward.

When she is saved, Kakashi says specifically to Sakura about Sarutobi not being able to kill his student. And that now he understood that love. That is a message to the reader that Sakura could not kill him because of her team bonds. Not love. Only the readers still believe she loved Sasuke, because it's never supported in the manga. Kakashi says he understands her, and gives us the explanation.

So later, when Sakura is confronted with another option, another love choice (lovernin), she easily says she already loves someone else. Because she does. It's Naruto. Without a doubt. So being interested in someone else isn't even an option. Her heart is already taken.

But when the lovernin goes on about her, saying that since she's great the guy must be great too, implying that she always makes good choices, Sakura reflects back that she doesn't always make good choices. In fact, she made an awful one that was causing pain to her and the one she loves.

I've always thought that Sakura felt bad about liking Sasuke, who turned out to not be a great guy. And it also that she tied up Naruto with that stupid promise that was lie a curse, as Sai told her. But I like your idea that it may also be that she is reflecting back on her inability to stop Sasuke. She said she wasn't going to make any more mistakes, but yet she didn't follow through on what she said she'd do. So yeah, going forward, Sakura may feel responsible for any injury to Naruto from Sasuke, directly or indirectly. Just because Naruto saved her and tacitly smoothed over the rough patch from the confession so they could move forward doesn't mean that Sakura feels okay about not having accomplished what she set out to.

She was right in what she did then by trying to stop Sasuke. Because now the stakes are even higher. Naruto confirmed it himself. One or the both of them will die. And she was trying to prevent that by stopping Sasuke before he had a chance to kill Naruto. Her instincts were not wrong there. And she may have residual guilt because of it. She wasn't a damsel in distress, waiting to be saved. She was an assasin with a very worthy cause. So just because Naruto saved her doesn't mean her feelings for that failed mission have been reconciled.

Sakura is not Hinata. One hand-wave from Naruto's big, strong, safe hands is not going to make everything better for her.

Lastly, I really don't think Sasuke is a love impediment for her. I don't think he stands in the way of NS. Other things do, but not some childhood crush on Sasuke. And I think Sakura has confirmed that with her actions. The motives of which have been confirmed by Sai and Kakashi. So she knows she loves Naruto. But everything else is more important right now. So she's letting it go until later. But when asked, she confirms it. Swiftly and without doubt. Yes, there is someone that she loves. This she knows.

However, as was seen Sakura's closeup panel in the last chapter, she has now seen that perhaps Naruto doesn't return her feelings like she thought. On the surface, Naruto and Hinata's interactions are intimate and close. Much closer than Sakura's ever been with Naruto, or vice versa. She's holding his face and looking into his eyes. Then he stands up and takes her hand.

Sorry, I don't care what country you're from — that's crazy intimate.

If you saw that from across a bar or across a classroom, you would totally think they were dating. Both in a mutually invested love relationship. Not just work buddies or chemistry lab partners. But dating.

So, I don't think Sakura's going to stop fighting to moon over Naruto's big, safe, strong hands holding someone else's. She's not Hinata. She's going to stay focused on the battle in front of her (something Sakura has in fact warned Hinata about in the past.) But I think her mental image of her teammate just shattered (ironically, just as Naruto's did before).

The idea has crashed down on her that Naruto may actually not reciprocate her feelings. And that doubt was foreshadowed in the confession. "If you don't like me, then just say so!" So from here on out, even though Sakura believes in her own feelings, I think she's a smart-enough cookie to know that Naruto has never confessed or confirmed his feelings to her...or anyone. He may actually like someone else, and his crushing response to her confession was a sign of that.

So I don't think Sasuke stands in the way of NS anymore, nor has it in a long time. I think the storyline has shifted to a true pairing-based conflict. Now I think Hinata is what stands in the way. And will until the very end when Naruto finally reveals his true feelings. Not his immature date requests. Not lamenting his unfulfilled promise. But actually says he loves her and hugs her back or kisses her forehead or show her the affection, instead of the other way around.

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QUOTE (tricksie @ Jan 14 2013, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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I think the exact same thing. Since those chapters came out.

When Sakura confessed to Naruto, she was doing so in deed and in spirit. In words and with actions. So when people say they don't the very precise measure of her love for Naruto over Sasuke...I say it doesn't really matter anymore. She has chosen Naruto. She said she loved him, and went out to kill his best friend, the object of everything he does, so that Sasuke won't kill him or hurt anyone else. She's making the ultimate sacrifice, because she knows she's either going to die, or she's going to live and Naruto's going to hate her.

Only love would drive someone to make a fatal choice like that. And I don't see any of Naruto's other friends standing up to take the bullet for him. No one else even thinks about it. No Sai. Not Shikamaru. Not Hinata. Only Sakura.

And she doesn't talk about it, she doesn't try to drum up support. She takes it all on herself. (Which is exactly like Naruto, right?) And she could have had support if she wished. Naruto has friends everywhere now who would do anything for him. But Sakura didn't do that.

She chose to do the awful thing to protect him and keep anyone else from getting hurt. In a way that no one would ever know about. Either way, after this choice, she knew her life before was over: If she survived, she knew Naruto would hate her. Sai confirms this. So we can guess that, knowing Sakura, she would probably leave the village to make life easier for him. And the other option is that she dies, hopefully taking him down with her, as the precedent has been set in the manga with Minato and Saratobi. But either way, she has chosen this path which ends her life as she knew it. And she's done it all because she loves Naruto. And she tells him so.

I honestly don't know how people can question that kind of devotion. It's undeniable.

And her love and near-sacrifice is never undermined by Kishimoto going forward.

When she is saved, Kakashi says specifically to Sakura about Sarutobi not being able to kill his student. And that now he understood that love. That is a message to the reader that Sakura could not kill him because of her team bonds. Not love. Only the readers still believe she loved Sasuke, because it's never supported in the manga. Kakashi says he understands her, and gives us the explanation.

So later, when Sakura is confronted with another option, another love choice (lovernin), she easily says she already loves someone else. Because she does. It's Naruto. Without a doubt. So being interested in someone else isn't even an option. Her heart is already taken.

But when the lovernin goes on about her, saying that since she's great the guy must be great too, implying that she always makes good choices, Sakura reflects back that she doesn't always make good choices. In fact, she made an awful one that was causing pain to her and the one she loves.

I've always thought that Sakura felt bad about liking Sasuke, who turned out to not be a great guy. And it also that she tied up Naruto with that stupid promise that was lie a curse, as Sai told her. But I like your idea that it may also be that she is reflecting back on her inability to stop Sasuke. She said she wasn't going to make any more mistakes, but yet she didn't follow through on what she said she'd do. So yeah, going forward, Sakura may feel responsible for any injury to Naruto from Sasuke, directly or indirectly. Just because Naruto saved her and tacitly smoothed over the rough patch from the confession so they could move forward doesn't mean that Sakura feels okay about not having accomplished what she set out to.

She was right in what she did then by trying to stop Sasuke. Because now the stakes are even higher. Naruto confirmed it himself. One or the both of them will die. And she was trying to prevent that by stopping Sasuke before he had a chance to kill Naruto. Her instincts were not wrong there. And she may have residual guilt because of it. She wasn't a damsel in distress, waiting to be saved. She was an assasin with a very worthy cause. So just because Naruto saved her doesn't mean her feelings for that failed mission have been reconciled.

Sakura is not Hinata. One hand-wave from Naruto's big, strong, safe hands is not going to make everything better for her.

Lastly, I really don't think Sasuke is a love impediment for her. I don't think he stands in the way of NS. Other things do, but not some childhood crush on Sasuke. And I think Sakura has confirmed that with her actions. The motives of which have been confirmed by Sai and Kakashi. So she knows she loves Naruto. But everything else is more important right now. So she's letting it go until later. But when asked, she confirms it. Swiftly and without doubt. Yes, there is someone that she loves. This she knows.

However, as was seen Sakura's closeup panel in the last chapter, she has now seen that perhaps Naruto doesn't return her feelings like she thought. On the surface, Naruto and Hinata's interactions are intimate and close. Much closer than Sakura's ever been with Naruto, or vice versa. She's holding his face and looking into his eyes. Then he stands up and takes her hand.

Sorry, I don't care what country you're from — that's crazy intimate.

If you saw that from across a bar or across a classroom, you would totally think they were dating. Both in a mutually invested love relationship. Not just work buddies or chemistry lab partners. But dating.

So, I don't think Sakura's going to stop fighting to moon over Naruto's big, safe, strong hands holding someone else's. She's not Hinata. She's going to stay focused on the battle in front of her (something Sakura has in fact warned Hinata about in the past.) But I think her mental image of her teammate just shattered (ironically, just as Naruto's did before).

The idea has crashed down on her that Naruto may actually not reciprocate her feelings. And that doubt was foreshadowed in the confession. "If you don't like me, then just say so!" So from here on out, even though Sakura believes in her own feelings, I think she's a smart-enough cookie to know that Naruto has never confessed or confirmed his feelings to her...or anyone. He may actually like someone else, and his crushing response to her confession was a sign of that.

So I don't think Sasuke stands in the way of NS anymore, nor has it in a long time. I think the storyline has shifted to a true pairing-based conflict. Now I think Hinata is what stands in the way. And will until the very end when Naruto finally reveals his true feelings. Not his immature date requests. Not lamenting his unfulfilled promise. But actually says he loves her and hugs her back or kisses her forehead or show her the affection, instead of the other way around.


Awesome Post! You just reinforced my NaruSaku spirit. <3


 





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