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[My Living Curse]

im telling ya out of all the jinchuuriki naruto got the worst power

 

ichibi = sand

nibi = fire

sanbi = coral

yonbi = lava

gobi = steam

rokubi = acid/bubbles

nanabi = flight/poison powder

hachibi = oil

kyuubi = heart

 

 EARTH! FIRE! WIND! WATER! HEART!
 By your powers combined..I AM CAPTAIN PLANET!

 

Cue the cringy yet delightful intro!   

[Catra]

i remember the tailed beast theory from waaaay back where the 8 tails was expected to be an eight headed snake. turns out orochimaru had that card taken but it was a technique not a tailed beast. the three tails as a shark which reminds me of the plan fans thought akatsuki was going to become tailed beast hosts. the six tails was expected to be a lightning weasel (a.i. pikachu!), the four tails as a rooster, five tails a dog with all five elements, and the seven tails as a badger.

 

1 = wind

2 = ghost

3 = water

4 = acid

5 = fire/earth/wind/lightning/water

6 = lighning

7 = earth

8 = ?

9 = fire

 

who else remembers the madara theory with the tengu father?

[Kagomaru]

Here the one overwhelming feeling I get from the Boruto manga: they are stalling. They have no clue about what they are doing or what to do with the manga.

 

Here how I see/imagine their relationship:

 

Kishimoto sees himself as the editor and doesn't want to write about Naruto anymore. So he wants the two clowns to create the story so he can approve it; with him maybe giving just a bit of advice to them.

 

Ikemoto sees himself as the artist so while he has a few ideas; he expect the two writers to be the ones that will come up with the story that he is suppose to illustrate.

 

...what the other clowns name? Kodachi. While he is suppose to be the writer. He only wrote a few Naruto light novels; so he hoped the two the have been working on Naruto for over 15 years could set up the story he would write the script for.

 

So we ultimately have three clowns that all think the other people should be the one that writes(/come up with) the story. So no one is writing the manga. At first. I imagine Kishimoto made it clear early on what he wants to do -just give anything a thumbs up-, Ikemoto then looked at the writer Koachi, and now Kodachi just making up the story as he goes along. Which why the manga gives off the feeling of a light novel instead of a manga. Also why we had the rehashing of the movie, then that stretch out story with Richie Rich that any other manga or anime would have done in a week, and now the akatsuki rip off. Granted he was not help by the fact the Bolt has no story, and Naruto didn't have story to pass on. Bolt's story was done by the end of his movie. Naruto's story of reforming the ninja system when he became hokage was dropped because justifying nH & Sasuke was more important. Now his son dreams to become the very thing he originally fought against; a tool of the corrupt ninja system.

 

To be honest, I don't think that bit in the first chapter had a solid story for it. It was just, "put a Sasuke-like character, and Bolt with tons of cool stuff in a imagine to draw interest; then write a story about what led to it."

 

The problem is the anime decided to take the eye and make a story about it. At first the clowns rejected it because they weren't interested in what the anime did with it(, and hoped to do something cooler.) Then the anime staff probably got angry, because they put it in the first arc of anime. So to them it should be canon and if it is not. It makes them look like fools. Now the clowns have relented, it is now canon, and they are now pulling powers out of their asses for it.

 

So the true writer of Boruto is; who is ever writing the anime's light novels.

Yup, SP is completely desperate for ideas since the story's pacing is almost nonexistent and are just throwing whatever they can into the mix to keep the NaruHina fanbase from just throwing their hands up and leaving.

[Bail o' Lies]

Yup, SP is completely desperate for ideas since the story's pacing is almost nonexistent and are just throwing whatever they can into the mix to keep the NaruHina fanbase from just throwing their hands up and leaving.

Their problem is you have a monthly manga that is going at a snail pace, but has a non-stop continuous weekly anime.

 

For the manga I imagine it was because kishimoto didn't want to work on a new chapter of Boruto once a week. His sci-fi manga was suppose to be bi-weekly. So since he probably wanted to work on that more; Boruto became a monthly manga so he could hopefully work on his while being an adviser to the Boruto manga. Before that became an impossibility. Ikemoto and Kodachi went along with it to give them more time to think up a story.

 

The problem is that most monthly manga move too slow to have a weekly anime no matter how good they are in quality. Which is why most anime based on monthly manga do a season or two worth of adaptation, then either stop or comeback to it later. Hell, recent anime based on even weekly manga are now doing seasonal instead of continuous nonstop ongoing anime, because it lessen the demand on the manga, and the anime company won't have to waste time coming up with filler. 

 

But for SP one) they needed Boruto to remain weekly like Naruto to keep them from sinking further into the Red, two) changing the release scheduled (such as from continuous to seasonal) may make it seem like there are problems with Boruto (which they didn't want to show,) three) they probably didn't mind the idea of doing more filler because it would allow them to focus of the perfect dream wife Hinata, and four and more important) they never realized until it was too late how bad an idea this was. 

 

Then the manga which they can't use the first then chapters, the next five they can do in about two episodes, and current Kara arc. Now even if this current arc in the manga turns out good. Let us say it's...twenty chapters. OK. That's twenty months. That means SP has to make about say Eighty episodes of filler to stall for it for maybe ten or so episodes. With that in mind, the quality of the anime animation makes perfect sense. It also why they are putting all their money into Black Clover, and are stalling with the high-school ninja academy.

 

So the first arc of the anime was to show off the cool eye they made and to show off the new love interest they wanted Bolt to have. Which is why they gave her the role of the first villain among other things is in hopes it would make her rememberable. Then manga manga staff reject both. The gaiden they spent two years thinking up ways to soften the negative impact of that so it wouldn't piss off the SS anime fans. And now the School Trip which is pretty much just a mission so they could create two characters off old characters a relative of kisame, and the fourth mizukage's son. Also I imagine to try to remind people of the land of waves arc.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 04 October 2017 - 07:11 PM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Their problem is you have a monthly manga that is going at a snail pace, but has a non-stop continuous weekly anime.

 

For the manga I imagine it was because kishimoto didn't want to work on a new chapter of Boruto once a week. His sci-fi manga was suppose to be bi-weekly. So since he probably wanted to work on that more; Boruto became a monthly manga so he could hopefully work on his while being an adviser to the Boruto manga. Before the became an impossibility. Ikemoto and Kodachi went along with it to give them more time to think up a story.

 

The problem is that most monthly manga move to slow to have a weekly anime no matter how good they are in quality. Which is why most anime based on monthly manga do a season or two worth of adaptation, then either stop or comeback to it later. Hell, recent anime based on even weekly manga are now doing seasonal instead of continuous nonstop ongoing anime, because it lessen the demand on the manga, and the anime company won't have to waste time coming up with filler. 

 

But for SP one) they needed Boruto to remain weekly like Naruto to keep them sinking further into the Red, two) changing the release scheduled (such as from continuous to seasonal) may make it seem like there are problems with Boruto (which they didn't want to show,) three) they probably didn't mind the idea of doing more filler because it would allow them to focus of the perfect dream wife Hinata, and four and more important) they never realized until it was too late how bad an idea this was. 

 

Then the manga which they can't use the first then chapters, the next five they can do in about two episodes, and current Kara arc. Now even if this current arc in the manga turns out good. Let us say it's...twenty chapters. OK. That's twenty months. That means SP has to make about say Eighty episodes of filler to stall for it for maybe ten or so episodes. With that in mind, the quality of the anime animation makes perfect sense. It also why they are putting all their money into Black Clover, and are stalling with the high-school ninja academy.

 

So the first arc of the anime was to show off the cool eye they made and to show off the new love interest they wanted Bolt to have. Which is why they gave her both the role of the first villain among other things is in hopes it would make her rememberable. Then manga manga staff reject both. The gaiden they spent two years thinking up ways to soften the negative impact of that so it wouldn't piss off the SS anime fans. And now the School Trip which is pretty much just a mission show they could create two characters of old character a relative of kisame, and the fourth mizukage's son. Also I imagine to try to remind people of the land of waves arc.

And yet some how DB super is doing far better than Boruto I wonder why that is, since the Super manga only comes out once a month.

[Bail o' Lies]

And yet some how DB super is doing far better than Boruto I wonder why that is, since the Super manga only comes out once a month.

That's because they are different.

 

For Boruto, the anime is following the manga.

 

Super, Toriyama comes up with a general plot which he tells to both the anime and manga. Then they make their own interpretations of the plot Toriyama gave them. That means the anime is not relying on the manga to tell the story they adapt. They are both doing their own thing with the same materials.

[TheFirstEvil100]

That's because they are different.

 

For Boruto, the anime is following the manga.

 

Super, Toriyama comes up with a general plot which he tells to both the anime and manga. Then they make their own interpretations of the plot Toriyama gave them. That means the anime is not relying on the manga to tell the story they adapt. They are both doing their own thing with the same materials.

True and both are doing well as well both the anime and the manga just goes to show that Kishi tried and failed to be like Toriyama, in many ways.

 

I mean again Toriyama hates girls that are like Hinata the sweet and gentel type he likes girls who are more like Bulma Videl Sakura wants that speak their mind, and another funny thing is with how much the fans say Hinata should be with Naruto Kishi would not have done that lol as he would have just have put him with Sakura or another girl as he hates being told what to do.

[VanitasDS76491]

True and both are doing well as well both the anime and the manga just goes to show that Kishi tried and failed to be like Toriyama, in many ways.
 
I mean again Toriyama hates girls that are like Hinata the sweet and gentel type he likes girls who are more like Bulma Videl Sakura wants that speak their mind, and another funny thing is with how much the fans say Hinata should be with Naruto Kishi would not have done that lol as he would have just have put him with Sakura or another girl as he hates being told what to do.

Plus super has jiren fighting goku they have been building up to that for awhile and jiren is no push over if he can one shot like bresker kale like nothing after watching
Walking through blue goku blast like nothing. What does bolt have that can top that?

[Bail o' Lies]

Just to clarify, Kishimoto is not the illustrator of Boruto, so the speculation of what he wanted here doesn't really fit. 

He's the creator.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 04 October 2017 - 05:25 PM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

He's the creator.

Yeah take Kojima and others who made a story with Manga or games they always have the last say on what goes on and the designs on what someone should look like Toriyama says what goes and what does not go.

 

Unlike Kishi who is lazy and hates Naruto, well not Sasuke or the Uchiha he loves them more than a writer should

[Bail o' Lies]

If the executives at Tv Tokyo, Studio Pierrot, Shueisha, and any-other corporation that had any "stock" in this franchise had their way. Kishimoto would still be working on Naruto. Kishimoto is far more important as editor then the other two clowns. When they had interviews about Boruto it was Kishimoto, and Ikemoto not Kodachi, and Ikemoto seem to mostly come off as a yes man to Kishi. So Kishimoto being bored and done with Boruto and wanting to leave is incredibly important because out of the three clowns in charge of the manga he has the most importance and influence among them.

[Bail o' Lies]

So I got another Boruto review recommended to me by youtube again. Since I keep getting them I decided to take a look at this one partially because the title interested me; The real problem with Boruto. Before the video finished loading I looked at the comment section the first comment I saw was the reviewer saying this.

 

"Alright let's just address the most common comment:

WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MANGA DOESN'T COUNT!

An anime adaptation should be able to stand on its own, and opening with nearly 20 episodes of what is essentially filler that keeps Boruto's character in a state of non-progress is entirely unacceptable and sets a bad precedent for the story to come.

If the TV series took place after the movie, then we would've seen interesting stuff happening from episode one, but it didn't.

Just watch episodes 18-23 (18 is basically a standalone Naruto OVA, and 19-23 is Scarlet Spring, the last thing written by Kishimoto), and then watch the Boruto movie."

 

Now I have no clue what this person's opinion is at the moment I am typing this. But if the most frequent rebuttal to what ever he says is "The manga doesn't count," or if that's his rebuttal to comments by his viewers. Yes, it does. At the moment the anime may be doing its own thing but the anime staff fully intends to follow the manga. This is not Super where both are equal and are doing their own thing. The anime started off at the academy in-order to stall to give the manga more time to come up with a story. The manga is the primary story, the anime is merely an adaptation.

 

I'm guessing this person thinks the filler of an anime is the problem of Boruto. Lets see:

 

Huh. He almost got it.

 

He thinks Bolt doesn't have a goal, or isn't working towards it like other shounen protagonists. The truth is Bolt only had goals in the movie and completed them in the movie. Bolt's goals are His daddy issues, and become Sasuke's apprentice. Since he doesn't meet Sasuke until the movie he can't do that one in the anime. So he can only deal with his daddy issues which they set to a 100% in the anime --instead of building it up to 100%- then letting it be completely resolved in the movie. Without goals a character is merely meandering through the plot with events just happening to them. Which means watching their story isn't very interesting...unless its a sitcom. That's why they added Nail. To imply there is an interesting story happening later on to hopefully get the viewer interested.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 06 October 2017 - 05:09 AM.

[My Living Curse]

 

So I got another Boruto review recommended to me by youtube again. Since i kkep getting them I decided to take a look at this one partially because the title interested me; The real problem with Boruto. Before the video finished loading I looked at the comment section the first comment I saw was the reviewer saying this.

 

"Alright let's just address the most common comment:

 

WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MANGA DOESN'T COUNT!

 

An anime adaptation should be able to stand on its own, and opening with nearly 20 episodes of what is essentially filler that keeps Boruto's character in a state of non-progress is entirely unacceptable and sets a bad precedent for the story to come.

If the TV series took place after the movie, then we would've seen interesting stuff happening from episode one, but it didn't.

Just watch episodes 18-23 (18 is basically a standalone Naruto OVA, and 19-23 is Scarlet Spring, the last thing written by Kishimoto), and then watch the Boruto movie."

 

Now I have no clue what this person's opinion is at the moment I am typing this. But if the most frequent rebuttal to what ever he says is "The manga doesn't count," or if that's his rebuttal to comments by his viewers. Yes, it does. At the moment the anime maybe doing it own thing but the anime staff fully intended to follow the manga. This is not Super where both are equal and are doing their own thing. The anime started off at the academy in-order to stall to give the manga more time to come up with a story. The manga is the primary story, the anime is merely an adaptation.

 

Isn't that the common response the fanbase has nowadays when somone tries to mention anything wrong with Taco Bell's Burrito Supreme? (Yep, I'm kinda hungry, don't judge) 

[Bail o' Lies]

Isn't that the common response the fanbase has nowadays when someone tries to mention anything wrong with Taco Bell's Burrito Supreme? (Yep, I'm kinda hungry, don't judge)

I was hungering for Chinese food for a week.

 

But that to me just proves that everyone knows just how bad the manga is, and want to deny the fact that the anime will eventually have to adapt that flop.

 

Edit: Also "the adaptation should be able to stand on its own," that means you shouldn't have to read the source material to understand what's going on. Also adaptation means its not an original and is based off something. In this case the manga... actually at the moment light novels, but its supposed to be the manga.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 06 October 2017 - 06:48 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Adaption being the manga or anime, because they both can pretty much stand on their own?

 

I also question your use of "flop". I.E., all of these light novels and supplementary materials kind of hint better at success, as that is what you do to successful franchises. 

...Well again. I must wonder if you actually bother to watch the anime or read the manga? Since you should be able to tell if you did by which one is farther ahead in the timeline.

 

Sometimes failing companies throw as much crap as they can into the market hoping their audaince buys it all to get them out of the red.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Man, they actually killed someone by slitting someones throat. Its about time. I guess this series may take bold liberty and-

*watches episode 28*

Of course not. Never mind. I guess hes a ghoul for all I know...

[Kagomaru]

...Well again. I must wonder if you actually bother to watch the anime or read the manga? Since you should be able to tell if you did by which one is farther ahead in the timeline.

 

Sometimes failing companies throw as much crap as they can into the market hoping their audaince buys it all to get them out of the red.

Hell, that's why Bleach and Naruto were filled with numerous filler arcs. 

Edited by Kagomaru, 11 October 2017 - 05:16 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Hell, that's why Bleach and Naruto were filled with numerous filler arcs. 

Coming soon: Black Clover

[My Living Curse]

Hell, that's why Bleach and Naruto were filled with numerous filler arcs. 

 

Well, we wouldn't mind the endless filler, if the canon episodes were something to "actually" look forward too. But, you know... 

[My Living Curse]

 

The Naruto canon episodes were pretty solid, the filler though could be downright awful at times, to surprisingly not bad, but I can't really remember many fillers that were as good as canon. 

 

I would hesitate to call the first arc of Boruto "filler", as it's pretty strong quality too. The current Field trip Arc is so-so, but I find it personally less captivating when it touches its younger audience more over an older audience. 

 

Oh silly you, I was talking about Naruto and Bleach. I wouldn't put anyone through the torture that is Burrito Supreme, much less lay a finger on it!