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[Tsuki Hoshino]

They were aware that the limbos are there, they went to save Sakura, it's show by Sasuke's panel and Naruto telling Sakura to wait.
 
Madara got new powers and they werent supposed from a battle perspective to attack first, because you dont attack an opponent that you dont know what kind of new abilities he has on his sleeve now, the best plan was to wait and counter-attack.
That's how shounend works.

False, from a tactical stand point whether in fiction or non fiction sometimes the absolute best course of action is to attack BEFORE you are attacked. If you wait until you are being attacked you might never get a strike in against your opponent. If you at least go first you have a chance of causing some damage before you get taken out.

What Sakura did was actually pretty wise, she plays the defense/Distraction by being the meat shield (since she can't really die...) and Naruto and Sasuke go the offensive route since they are stronger. Its a common tactic in games when you think about. You've got the merc, and two high damage players beating the crap out of the monster whose to busy gnawing at the meat shield. 

The only problem is that they have no idea what the limits and abilities of the limbo really are. ( especially not Sakura.) That and their teamwork absolutely sucks thanks to Sasuke wanking it up.


On another note...Seriously, There are some things Kishi does really well and then there are other things he utterly fails at- like writing ACTUAL best friend relationships.

Shino's a better friend then Sasuke to Naruto, and if we all want to be brutally honest- Sakura is the closest friend he's got. Sasuke has not been Naruto's friend since he tried to kill him in the VoE, all his is now is a rival. The only reason Sasuke's working with Naruto is because he NEEDS him. If it weren't for that, he'd have let Naruto fall into trance just like everyone else. 

Every time I hear someone call Sasuke Naruto's "friend" I cringe. In my opinion if these were real life people Naruto and Sakura would be seeing a psychiatrist for their Sasuke obsession 'cause that crap is not healthy. 

 

[ramenanmitsu]

Which is the point of it.
Having several or at least one, it already implies that Sakura would not been able to keep Madara busy since he had a limbo and Madara wasnt busy with Sakura, also aside from the limbo, there was black zetsu there.
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Naruto parried a limbo and took Sakura so his focus was to rescue her, Sasuke was just going to attack.
http://i21.mangaread...uto-4954871.jpg
 

 

Huh? How the hell does one limbo and four limbos not be different?

While Madara has his attention on Sakura, Sasuke and Naruto could handle the limbo and Zetsu, while Sakura could attack Madara without the distraction of limbo. 

 

This isn't possible when there are four limbos and Zetsu around, instead of one limbo and Zetsu. 

 

 

 

Yep, but the manga proves that information is crucial for a plan to be successfull, Kakuzu/Hidan vs Shikamaru on which his plans failed because his opponent Kakuzu was smart and always had something on his sleeve to twarth his plans so he plans to split Hidan from Kakuzu and is successfull since he knows about Hidan and his behavior.

Naruto vs Pain on which Jiraiya's information and Tsunade's were crucial on telling him on every pain behaved and the fact their shared vision.
 
No i'm not assuming, i'm saying only that information is important and that lacked on Sakura, she wasnt the proper person to create a plan since she had no information about Madara nad his powers aside from the fact he has a rinnegan on which she literally ignored it's powers and ended up losing her surprising factor since Madara didnt knew that she could heal herself like Tsunade as shown here.

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She could as an example used her seal and this healing power as a surprise factor to land a punch on Madara instead of wasting it to use herself as a meat shield.

I understand your point on information being crucial. In that case, the most to be blamed for is Naruto and Sasuke. 

 

 

The thing is Sakura did see Madara fight while healing Naruto. The only new ability of Madara she missed is his limbo which was while she was in the Kamui with Obito. She had no way of knowing he had abilities other than the one she had already saw, and it was up to Naruto and Sasuke to relay the information to her. The most stupid mistake team seven did was that Naruto and Sasuke did NOT relay the information of Limbo while Madara went to the Kamui world, thankfully taking his precious time explaining how much of an a**hole he is to Obito. When Sakura returned from the Kamui world, she immediately relayed the information that Madara got the other Rinnegan. Naruto and Sasuke went on bickering to each other instead of relaying their set of information. Does that sound strategically intelligent to you? And AGAIN, in this recent chapter, Sasuke did the SAME mistake by trying not to relay the information to Sakura and Kakashi because "they couldn't do anything". This is stupid because he has to relay the information to Naruto anyways, and being powerless=/=unable to make strategies.(Just because Shikaku is not a S-rank shinobi, it doesn't make him less qualified to make strategies.) All I see is you making LAP'S of how garbage and stupid Sakura's strategies are, while you completely dismiss Naruto and especially Sasuke's stupidities regarding this battle. 

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 04 June 2014 - 01:25 AM.

[FireFox]

It's true. I mean what was supposed to happen if you really have to get the bells yet one left behind. It's neat to know Naruto and Sakura are the winners. Hehe, Heaven and Earth.

 

Anyway, next chapter is drawing near.

Yeah the power of NS is to great LOL XD . I should probably go to sleep so i can get early so i can read the chapter when it comes out i missing that for the last couple of weeks and its drag when i have to read through 10 pages just to catch up <sign>. 

 

Yeah but Naruto cannot deal with change. He still wants his pet back.

To be honest I've always believed Sasuke will die in the end and I hope he does. However if he doesn't he should just go with team taka and travel the world together. Maybe he could take Hinata with him.

 His pet is a rabid dog he should put him in a stationary where they will take a good care of him.

 

 I want that so bad  especially the Hinata part   but Sasuke would probably chidori her head of from her constant Naruto Kuning    . Well i don't know about traveling but there is the Sound village if he wants to be a Kage then he can be there when he can lead all the screw ups like him there is no sane person in there it would fit him well i wonder how that would be like ? Probably the village would burn in a instant  

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, I know I will be sleeping much earlier to wake up earlier for the chapter release. So, I'm ready.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

The funny thing is that Sasuke stopped being sympathetic character after Itachi's truth revealed. Now, he's a character that is a villain in the making. That's how I see it. I mean when was the last time he cried, you know. It felt like after that moment, it was the last tears he sheds. Later, he sheds blood. Lol.  But anyway, thinking over, it seems like a villain in the making, especially since he has been shady for the longest. Edo Itachi only made him cool down from destroying the village but now, dictating is the new black. So yeah, villain in the making. Always felt 616 cover is a foreshadowed.

 

But anyway, I'm just waiting on how this all goes down.

 

Speaking of chapter 616 cover, I heard that the translation was biased?  Is that true?

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
Speaking of chapter 616 cover, I heard that the translation was biased?  Is that true?

Biased? In what account? Besides, the editor note won't matter anyway. The picture is what I'm only looking at. The old saying goes, a picture worth a thousand words.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

My feelings with Team 7 with Sasuke are so mixed. I'm constantly annoyed with how much Naruto and Sakura obsess over Sasuke to the point it shafts the rest of their other relationships extensively and takes over the whole damn plot. It's stupid to be that extreme because he never even cares a fraction as much except in milliseconds. And those milliseconds are only aimed at Naruto. Kishi could've written it so much better and I really don't get why he goes out of his way to make Sasuke so indifferent when all I ever see from the other characters is "TEAM 7 IS SO DEEP AND IMPORTANT".  The Team 7 bond broke the believable level a long, long time ago.

 

However, I can see this. Team 7 is focused and mentioned so much that we're supposed to root for it and connect to it; Kishimoto failed miserably for most of us, but it's still true. And since Team 7 is mentioned as sooo important so incessantly, then I can't even cross out the possibility that Sasuke will return the village and join Team 7 again. It sounds stupid yeah, but it's srsly not impossible. If Naruto supported Sasuke and gave this huge motivational speech about how Sasuke "changed", then guaranteed it will happen. I say this because dealing with it realistically and having Sasuke actually held responsible for what he did by exile defies the themes of forgiveness, redemption, and changing the system. It just doesn't fit. Characters in Naruto are never held accountable for their own mistakes for long, no matter how majorly wrong and screwed up they were. (fact)

 

Of course, I'm not saying it will. It's too uncertain to predict. As far as I'm concerned, Sasuke joining the village, forming his own village, or dying in redemption all have equal possibility.

 

I said it a long time ago, but I'm done predicting what will happen to Sasuke or what he'll do. This guy's priorities and every single thing he does/ that happens to him lost any incomprehensible pattern by time of Itachi's second death.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 04 June 2014 - 02:13 AM.

[luffyq1]

Yeah but Naruto cannot deal with change. He still wants his pet back.

To be honest I've always believed Sasuke will die in the end and I hope he does. However if he doesn't he should just go with team taka and travel the world together. Maybe he could take Hinata with him.

lol damn.

[ramenanmitsu]

I should probably root for the new team 7-Sai, Kakashi, Yamato. You can't deny that this new team 7 is more cooler, more simpler, and more fit for a shinobi. At least they know what teamwork is, compared to the arrogant, hot-headed, emotional, individually trying to stand out members of the old team 7  

 

(I still like the old team 7 though.)

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 04 June 2014 - 02:16 AM.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Biased? In what account? Besides, the editor note won't matter anyway. The picture is what I'm only looking at. The old saying goes, a picture worth a thousand words.

 

Something about Sasuke being included as a hero in the "heroes and heroines" was incorrect from what I heard.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
Something about Sasuke being included as a hero in the "heroes and heroines" was incorrect from what I heard.

I believe so? What I see is two samurais with a scroll of a man who ruled over an empire.

[KeikoxYusuke]

Sasuke is a lot like what the green goblin is to spiderman and Gwen, his alter ego is a friend, but he changed...and..well...that poster should be clear enough, it's Naruto and Sakura that are the hero's. Sasuke is going to be the villain, it's fate.

Maybe he will be redeemed in some fashion, but I can't see him as anything other then the villain...or should I say, the villain to be..

He is already showing sighs...has been for a while now, and it's just getting worse, he is working with the good guys for now, but you can tell it's just for his own usefulness.



Anyway, I don't think anyone is going to see my post, before I know it the new chapter is going to be here, so excited!

[luffyq1]

Madara insults a woman for being weak, then gets betrayed by a guy who is working for a woman. Sasuke insults a woman for being weak, then? Hopefully it leads to decapitation.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Lol. Deep.

Ok, next chapter is getting near but a fair warning: don't complain anything about Sakura or whatever, because going into the chapter, we most likely expect a long transformation to Kaguya or something that will take all the time over action. In short, if complain, complain of what's given to you.

[Strangelove]

Lol. Deep.

Ok, next chapter is getting near but a fair warning: don't complain anything about Sakura or whatever, because going into the chapter, we most likely expect a long transformation to Kaguya or something that will take all the time over action. In short, if complain, complain of what's given to you.

 

Yup, next chapter probably culminates into that. Kaguya's resurrection (I hope)...if any.

Edited by Strangelove, 04 June 2014 - 03:17 AM.

[luffyq1]

Lol. Deep.

Ok, next chapter is getting near but a fair warning: don't complain anything about Sakura or whatever, because going into the chapter, we most likely expect a long transformation to Kaguya or something that will take all the time over action. In short, if complain, complain of what's given to you.

Sakura and Kaguya will have girl talk about men being pigs lol.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Lol that would be something else.

[MoonDrop04]

Alright here comes the kaguya transformation and her back story of her resurrection!!! I just hope to god Sasuke decides to be an ass again to the team and try to go solo against kaguya for awhile. That way team 7 can have a general meeting together of what the hell to do with him!!!! XD

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, I'll be back later today. Hope for a good chapter.

[luffyq1]

Well, I'll be back later today. Hope for a good chapter.

Want me to get you some warm milk? Should I tuck you in and read you a book?