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Posted 10 May 2014 - 11:38 AM

From what I understand, that RAW is stating that while Sakura has the same type of love for Sasuke (romantic), the depth/weight of it has changed. Kakashi compares his chapter 3 flashback to how Sakura is now, and says that her feelings are on a different level to what they were then (not shallow / fangirl in nature). Which would definitely be a boost to SS, and also implies that Kishi thinks highly of her feelings for Sasuke now.

 

But that's only if that script is true. If it's fake then there's nothing to worry about

Nope what it says is that "same love" which is a crush from ch 3  now has become a stronger crush "the feeling is different" it makes no freaking sense no matter how they twisted what they are implying is that Kakashi is admiring Sakura's  stronger crush for him even after he attempted to kill her and because of that she's a kind girl . Does this makes any sense ? Like i said the only thing that  make sense is that Sakura has moved on but still cares for him as a nakama even after he tried to kill her and because of that she's a kind girl . 


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 11:51 AM

But that wouldn't make sense. Why didn't Kishi just let Kakashi say that "your feelings are stronger" instead of "changed", if he intended it that way?

 

 He says they're 'different' now, and that quote, "While it's the same type of love..". Which could possibly back the idea of it being on another level up. Keep in mind that this is in Japanese too, so such words could have a different meaning than what we'd assume in English. It's weird, I agree, but it's how it is.

 

but above all, a true love never had some different levels to misure it... It isn't like when a supersaiyan gonna to be a supersaiyan level 2 or 3. It's absurd that sakura's love she had for Sasuke has became into a "super love level 2". All this with the conclusion "You're a kind girl" lol WTF? This doesn't make sense, even in a manga.

 

LOL

 

Remember that many of us have agreed in the past that Sakura's feelings (if she had them) were shallow, fangirling, immature, selfish, etc? This is saying that she grew past that and that now she loves him in a 'true'  romantic way. Kishimoto might have been aware that so many of his readers had that perspective of her feelings, and wanted to make it clear. =/   It's bothering and I really dislike what it may be implying

 

Perhaps the sweet girl refers to her being able to handle Sasuke trying to kill her, and not letting it stop her from wanting to "save" him, as the translation goes. In otherwords, its admiration for continuing to love him and holding no grudge over what he tried to do to her.

 

This was the lowest but now, here we are.

Also, change of feelings is different than increased or matured. It's not leveling up, it's changing to a new stat.

As I explained above.
 

Like I said before, this trans is very *pro* in nature. This is one reason why it could be fake, made up, tampered with. Especially if this only came from the SS's fan club, and not anywhere else. But at the same time I'm uneasy since someone claimed the Chinese provided it.



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Posted 10 May 2014 - 12:19 PM

 

 He says they're 'different' now, and that quote, "While it's the same type of love..". Which could possibly back the idea of it being on another level up. Keep in mind that this is in Japanese too, so such words could have a different meaning than what we'd assume in English. It's weird, I agree, but it's how it is.

Unfortunalty I don't know anything about Japanese language, but I'm still sure that this could have been said better if that's the case. And MP and/or MS surely would have used it in that context if it was meant that way. I think it's much more logically to think that Sakura now cares for Sasuke more than a friend than a lover. If this wouldn't be the case, then MP and MS should have translated the pages better.

We should also concider that the manga slowly comes to it's end. Kishi would make the romance just more complicated for himself. It's a high possibility that he tries to tie things up now. I heard in Japan the SS fanbase is strong. And we all are highly sure that NS will be the endgame because of recent events. I personally think that Kishi tries to comfort the fanbase by saying that while her feelings have changed, a part from Sakura will always like/love Sasuke. 

But I guess until the raw comes out or more events follow, we can't be sure :I 


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 12:26 PM

It's funny because if we're wrong, everyone else is wrong from third party. Anime, that volume book talking about her former crush, etc. Honestly, if they're wrong, then oh well. No harm done. Well, you know what I mean. Go figure.

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 12:28 PM

Unfortunalty I don't know anything about Japanese language, but I'm still sure that this could have been said better if that's the case. And MP and/or MS surely would have used it in that context if it was meant that way. I think it's much more logically to think that Sakura now cares for Sasuke more than a friend than a lover. If this wouldn't be the case, then MP and MS should have translated the pages better.

We should also concider that the manga slowly comes to it's end. Kishi would make the romance just more complicated for himself. It's a high possibility that he tries to tie things up now. I heard in Japan the SS fanbase is strong. And we all are highly sure that NS will be the endgame because of recent events. I personally think that Kishi tries to comfort the fanbase by saying that while her feelings have changed, a part from Sakura will always like/love Sasuke. 

But I guess until the raw comes out or more events follow, we can't be sure :I 

 

I'm no expert on Japanese, so you may be right. But I agree that we can't be sure. I do hope we can get past this in a few days.



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Posted 10 May 2014 - 12:32 PM

Any suggestions for victory and defeat once this mess is over?

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 12:33 PM

honestly the jap script doesn't seem different from MP/MS version to me.... it's a just persona interpretation of SS fandom how they take it...


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 12:42 PM

Well I was right about one thing, the context of the translation that SS fans support really does make more questions than answers.

But that's just it, again if that change is referring to it being stronger or somehow matured then how can she have gained a stronger love for him after all this crap still? I mean it's a fictional story but there has to be reason for the author to hint it having some importance in the end.

Otherwise couldn't the whole aspect of maturity still apply both ways as well because if she matured in one sense, couldn't it be that she turned away from Sasuke maturing away from that old love? Otherwise we get the paradox and puzzler of it somehow having increased to something more which just opens many conflicts beyond just the dialouge.

I mean the good thing about this though is,
-it doesn't impact or change ns, it's not as if the events were undone, there's still hint and more reason for ns in the end than the other 2
-mistrust is still in the air and sasukes movies will come in time.
-even if the SS side is real, sakura is still changing and continuing to change, she isn't just going to stop or go all over Sasuke, this doesn't change her care for naruto that has been built.

Even then one proven fact, ns has become more dynamic than SS ever could. Ns still went from hate to what it is now plus it has there's still plenty of development backing it up.

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 12:43 PM

This is hilarious  :lmao:  

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 12:47 PM

honestly the jap script doesn't seem different from MP/MS version to me.... it's a just persona interpretation of SS fandom how they take it...

 

That "script" still sounds contradictory to me. I think I'll just ignore everything until the actual raws come out.



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Posted 10 May 2014 - 12:48 PM

Any suggestions for victory and defeat once this mess is over?

WHat do you mean? :)


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 12:56 PM

WHat do you mean? :)


Well if we're right, it's our victory and we should do something about it. If we're wrong, it's our defeat. Not necessarily the war but who's right about the translation. I never heard both translations being wrong. What's next? SJ version is wrong?

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 01:03 PM

Besides whatever it actually says, I have faith in character development.

I mean even if the SS version is true or closer, this doesn't change the fact that SS is still loaded with problems for it to somehow not changed or increased, that's just still static character traits. It contradicts itself if it's the same and makes much more confusion if it has increased when there have been so many situations just putting on heartbreak and sadness how does this merit something beneficial or even important to the story?

It's like SS fans will treat this as 469 like nh fans and SS fans again did. They shouted ns is dead again and again, well look what happened, it's bit dead and it's otherwise from that time, gained much more hints within the past year. SS fans are going to make that same assumption that like how they thought naruto was over sakura no questions asked, that it's going to be the same but with sakura never changing from Sasuke. It's just plain that deal of character development and for things to change or progress, that deal of sakura only coming to like Sasuke as a friend in the end still exists if the hints are really to give us clues of ns in the end. I mean the. If she was stuck on Sasuke then what was the point of kushinas foreshadow? I mean could anyone honestly expect nh to somehow come if she hasn't aside from any real importance, hasn't even met minato or encountered him? This would all be again just in that pit of what nh and SS thrive on, it would be just placed and used for the sake of simplicity, not on real development or pacing, like the most developed again, ns, becomes just friendship while the others just happen regardless of the plot progression, like nothing was learned?

Sakura somehow loving Sasuke more just it's unthinkable even by just design, that this wouldn't even somehow change. It's one if her biggest traits that's been antagonistic in her for a good time, but for it to suddenly merit itself as something important when it only brought grief to her character all these years? Like nothing happened? That she still loves him the same way is out of the question but that it somehow increased more? This just leaves so many issues it's again, what evidence or even prior hints are there that says it should have matured? Because I'm pretty sure she learned the hard deal from the land of iron and that even if her love somehow increased, it's like she is tormenting herself because since the land of iron, she was saddened by his actions in 540, cautious of him in 631, not trusting him in 635, and even ready to ask his true motives in the same recent chapter. This degree of mistrust still exists and really to assume it's all fine and dandy or increased love, this just makes too many plot holes because most readers, from the former examples since the land of iron, they get the impression it's a negative feeling, it's something bad, that Sasuke is going to pull some dark action. So how can we suddenly interpret it as somehow a better love? This is what needs answers beyond just claiming she will always love him or that it somehow despite this kitten became a higher love when it just makes such a clash of interests just what is the point then if it's been out so long undeveloped and displayed negatively, is sakura somehow supposed to be rewarded for her patience and just hoping he got better conditioned in the long run? Seriously? There's still the fact that Sasuke has no reason or need to go loving others and nh is still just infrequent yet people still think naruto is over sakura and just going to go right to hinata when she doesn't even get included in important events,

Oh boy, whatever that raw says, I'm sticking to the aspects of development, as she has changed with naruto and continues to change, it's the same with Sasuke so nothing is iron locked on her and who she likes.

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 01:04 PM

Well if we're right, it's our victory and we should do something about it. If we're wrong, it's our defeat. Not necessarily the war but who's right about the translation. I never heard both translations being wrong. What's next? SJ version is wrong?

If we "win", I'm personally thinking about doing another video :P But I'm not quite sure about that. As for our defeat, well, I guess we would have to deal with it and wait for other things to come.


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 01:09 PM

Any suggestions for victory and defeat once this mess is over?

Spam the kitten out of NS fan-arts or spam the kitten out of trolling SS ?  :headscratch:  I give SS 0000000000000000000000000001% that they are right because of two things the duty thing and the kind girl thing this two right here contradicts  SS's interpretation .

 

If we "win", I'm personally thinking about doing another video :P But I'm not quite sure about that. As for our defeat, well, I guess we would have to deal with it and wait for other things to come.

Another Hitler video but this time about SS me like this  :plots: .


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 01:25 PM

Anyone else tired of Madara now? it's getting a bit like obito fight... dragged out a little bit too much :argh:


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 01:26 PM

This whole thing reminds me of that kindergarten election episode of South Park. When they get a victory, they want a recount, then want all students to be present, even sick kids, then have lawyers backing them up, and it just goes on and on.

Rikudou: OK, we conclude that MP/MS translations are correct.
SS fans: Wait a minute!
Rikudou: Oh good kittening god, stab me now...
SS fans: We need a clear page, not from a scanned page.

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 01:43 PM

None of it makes sense to me. How come only the SS fans have the supposed "raws", and there hasn't been anything posted on the internet. I just want the real raw out and have thus be over because it has gotten very annoying to see how wrong their interpretations are.And it is very unheard of to have both MP and MS to be incorrect. I'm just gonna ignore any SS "raw" until the actual one comes out.

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 01:43 PM

This whole thing reminds me of that kindergarten election episode of South Park. When they get a victory, they want a recount, then want all students to be present, even sick kids, then have lawyers backing them up, and it just goes on and on.

Rikudou: OK, we conclude that MP/MS translations are correct.
SS fans: Wait a minute!
Rikudou: Oh good kittening god, stab me now...
SS fans: We need a clear page, not from a scanned page.

Tell me you won't be surprised.

 

That was based on the Bush vs Gore elections because it made headlines, I was only in 5th grade at the time but even I saw the episode years ago when people made issues about that election.



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Posted 10 May 2014 - 01:44 PM

 
That was based on the Bush vs Gore elections because it made headlines, I was only in 5th grade at the time but even I saw the episode years ago when people made issues about that election.

I know. It's just funny on how they did it, especially it's just kindergarten. NOT A BIG DEAL.




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