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[Ausakura]

Power of Love would be very crappy, yeah... 

 

About life's peak, I meant that your appearance with the Edo Tensei will reasemble you as in the most important moment in your past life. For chiyo, maybe her encounter with Sakura and her fight with Sasori made her have an realization. It was in this specific moment that her life felt more vivid.

 

And Karin... Yes, a "real life girl" but not every real life girl thinks like that... I think that just "masochist S&M sympathizer" would define her well and just. Those real life girls you mentioned are just imature kids. Be they adults on the outside, they will be childish on the inside. If they got stabed by the guy, I doubt they would continuing loving him like Karin does (unless they are really masochist S&M sympathizer!). You can see more of this obscure mind in other fandoms of NARUTO (yes, you know who they are) that think a couple that just make each one suffer for the situations they provoke in and have no joy at all is something beautiful and worthy of admiration. 

 

Okay, okay, Naruto has a lot of plot holes, I tried to explain some, I know it sounded a little empty. I just tried, after all I don't know if it was Kishi's intention to be like that... But just explain me one thing.

 

Minato doesn't have one arm.

The chakra of the Dak Half/Ying Kurama can only touch the Bright Half/Yang Kurama.

So, how. Just how.
If there's a plausible explanation, it's okay.

It's okay to commit plot holes here or there if they're small or if they just challenge common sense.

But this one is huge.

I don't see any carpet big enough to hide this dust.

[Kster95]

I was tumblr and I just realized how much this chapter brings back out the team 7 feels. 2/4 maybe dying. No reaction from Kakashi with 2 of his students almost dead. I forgive Sasuke, and I dont want him dead. There I said it. 

[The Tax-Man]

About life's peak, I meant that your appearance with the Edo Tensei will reasemble you as in the most important moment in your past life. For chiyo, maybe her encounter with Sakura and her fight with Sasori made her have an realization. It was in this specific moment that her life felt more vivid.
 

[...]

Minato doesn't have one arm.
The chakra of the Dak Half/Ying Kurama can only touch the Bright Half/Yang Kurama.

 

Okay, what? First of all, no. It most certainly does not reincarnate you in 'the most important moment' of your life. It reincarnates you exactly as you were when you died minus any injuries etc. The only known exception is Madara, but Kabuto explicitly said he was a special case since he brought him back in his prime AND made him much more powerful than he ever was in real life (with Hashi's DNA). I have no idea where you're getting this stuff, but it's completely false.

 

So who ever said that the Kurama's Yang chakra can only touch the Yin chakra? That makes no sense whatsoever. Like, what? :/  Anyway... Kurama's chakra is not sealed in the edo body, it's sealed within Minato's SOUL. That's literally the point of the dead demon consuming seal. It seals whatever you want in your soul, then your soul gets sealed in the death god. Minato's soul is pretty much connected with the yin half because they were sealed together. When he was brought back, it would only make sense if the yin chakra came with him too. All he has to do is somehow 'cut' that connection and then just do a normal seal on Naruto.

 

So yeah, I have no idea what your point is. If I'm misunderstanding, feel free to correct me.

 

EDIT:

Kster95, please don't double post.

Edited by The Tax-Man, 27 January 2014 - 02:14 AM.

[Ausakura]

 

Okay, what? First of all, no. It most certainly does not reincarnate you in 'the most important moment' of your life. It reincarnates you exactly as you were when you died minus any injuries etc. The only known exception is Madara, but Kabuto explicitly said he was a special case since he brought him back in his prime AND made him much more powerful than he ever was in real life (with Hashi's DNA). I have no idea where you're getting this stuff, but it's completely false.

 

So who ever said that the Kurama's Yang chakra can only touch the Yin chakra? That makes no sense whatsoever. Like, what? :/  Anyway... Kurama's chakra is not sealed in the edo body, it's sealed within Minato's SOUL. That's literally the point of the dead demon consuming seal. It seals whatever you want in your soul, then your soul gets sealed in the death god. Minato's soul is pretty much connected with the yin half because they were sealed together. When he was brought back, it would only make sense if the yin chakra came with him too. All he has to do is somehow 'cut' that connection and then just do a normal seal on Naruto.

 

So yeah, I have no idea what your point is. If I'm misunderstanding, feel free to correct me.

 

EDIT:

Kster95, please don't double post.

Hum.

I guess your explanation is alright... But still we miss one point or two. I guess it's really my fault, maybe I'm not expressing me very well here.

 

How will Minato do the seal if he has not one arm?

As an Edo tensei he can do this kind of jutsu? Seal something that was brought back by Edo Tensei in someone else?

An Edo Tensei is made to fight, but he can also heal, solve puzzles, play videogame, make surgeries, dinner, have a date? [joking with this one]

An Edo tensei evoke a soul into a body. Minato's soul has Dark Half attached on it. It makes a complete whole now. If we extract the Dark Half from him and pass to Naruto, wouldn't his Edo summoning be incomplete? Orochimaru evoked Minato with the Nine Tails. Minato loss his Nine Tails (content of his soul). This could make his Edo Tensei disappear. Not that it's tragic or unthinkable, but... Does Minato know any other seal moves than the one he used to seal Kurama in Naruto? Minato's body became numb after this, how would Naruto in the state he is now... And even with Minato saying that "a force with this magnitude isn't supposed to be all in one place, it's strategically wrong"... With Dark Half, Naruto cannot receive Bright Half anymore. Or can he? How would he sustain it?

 

Uuuuuuh, just how could all of this be possible?

 

About my point about the Edo Tensei look, it was just an guess of mine. This detail of Madara's Edo being modelated for him to look good i didn't notice, sorry.

 

 

Huh? What does Sasuke have to do with it?

And ah, Sorry, for some reason I tought you was talking about Sasuke.

 

 

I never understood why Earth is weak against Lightining, it should be water.
About Madara he's the Aizen of Naruto.

 

I just remember Sephiroth looking at him. Hahaha

Edited by Ausakura, 27 January 2014 - 03:42 AM.

[rocci]

so james, now you acknowledge that kishi really make a plothole, eh?

 

 

well anyway, I agree with asakura that karin is a masochist and I understand why fandom hate her and unforgiven toward her.

 

 

I believe hinata doesn't know that naruto love sakura or she refuse to acknowledge it. thus why we never saw her think about it unlike naruto and sakura.

Edited by rocci, 27 January 2014 - 03:44 AM.

[Nate River]

I was tumblr and I just realized how much this chapter brings back out the team 7 feels. 2/4 maybe dying. No reaction from Kakashi with 2 of his students almost dead. I forgive Sasuke, and I dont want him dead. There I said it.

I don't know that I care right now. It seems so inevitable for me that I'm where I was on Obito. I couldn't care less about whether he is redeemed or not. I care mostly about the author at least pretending to understand the consequences of that redemption and actually putting thought into everyone reactions to it.

Obito's was so bad not simply because he was redeemed, but because of the all the problems and risks were ignored by the author. In addition, all the surrounding characters were also ignored or were forced to behave like morons (looking at you Minato) and ignore the obvious.

[oksus]

Go here
http://www.youtube.c...feature=mh_lolz

Is the girl Chatte ?
She has a cute accent xD

Edited by oksus, 27 January 2014 - 05:50 AM.

[Kster95]

I don't know that I care right now. It seems so inevitable for me that I'm where I was on Obito. I couldn't care less about whether he is redeemed or not. I care mostly about the author at least pretending to understand the consequences of that redemption and actually putting thought into everyone reactions to it.Obito's was so bad not simply because he was redeemed, but because of the all the problems and risks were ignored by the author. In addition, all the surrounding characters were also ignored or were forced to behave like morons (looking at you Minato) and ignore the obvious.

I feel you cant put Sasuke in the same boat as Obito. Sure Sasuke did some bad things but nothing as evil as Obito.

- Sides with Oro. Not exactly bad, he does it to become stronger.
- Kills Itachi, at the time Itachi was a "bad" guy.
- Hunts bee. This one is bad but no one dies from it.
- Attacks gokage, raikage ends up losing one arm.
- Kills Danzo, I think he deserved it.
- Stabs Karin, almost kills Sakura and battles Kakashi.

So if you look at the things Sasuke has done, they arent all bad. I feel he can be redeemed. He is already doing it by fighting for the alliance.

I now see that his evilness has been severely exaggerated. He really hasnt done anything that bad. Sure there was that low point but thats over now. The only problem I ever had with him was how easily he changed/was manipulated(Itachi,Oro,Obito).

Edited by Kster95, 27 January 2014 - 06:29 AM.

[FireFox]

I feel you cant put Sasuke in the same boat as Obito. Sure Sasuke did some bad things but nothing as evil as Obito.

- Sides with Oro. Not exactly bad, he does it to become stronger.
- Kills Itachi, at the time Itachi was a "bad" guy.
- Hunts bee. This one is bad but no one dies from it.
- Attacks gokage, raikage ends up losing one arm.
- Kills Danzo, I think he deserved it.
- Stabs Karin, almost kills Sakura and battles Kakashi.

So if you look at the things Sasuke has done, they arent all bad. I feel he can be redeemed. He is already doing it by fighting for the alliance.

I now see that his evilness has been severely exaggerated. He really hasnt done anything that bad. Sure there was that low point but thats over now. The only problem I ever had with him was how easily he changed/was manipulated(Itachi,Oro,Obito).

- He sides with Oro the man responsible for the death of the Third Hokage and the Fourth Kazekage who he latter disguise himself into and manipulates the Sand to attack the Leaf Village not to mention the man who also was responsible for doing gennocide and experiments  on babies  such as Yamato who was the only survivor from this case  , How is it not a bad thing to side with the man who did all of this this is the highest form of treason , wanting to become stronger is not an excuse for siding with a man of the likes of Oro .

 

- Itachi no comment on this one

 

-He joined Akatsuki a military terrorist organisation who threatens the world's existence on his own free will it was even given a choice to him whether he liked to join or not . 

 

- Yes it did , do you remember Jay he genjtsued him and then he was found death , and what about the consequences of providing Obito with the tail of the Hachibi who was able with this piece to summon the Jubbi who was responsible for the death of 40 000 shinobi's and the death of Neji , none of this would have happened with out that tail , why does everyone forget this detail why is it overlooked ? 

 

-Yes Danzo deserved it but he was still acting as a Hokage so this one is fishy .

 

- Sure stabbing Karin the one who always helped him and still loves him , trying to kill Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi (even before the summit) , who cared for him , were trying to stop him from plotting to kill all the innocent man , women , children and infants from the Leaf who had nothing to do with Itachi's choice isn't evil at all ? 

 

But of course this is Sasuke who apparently is a sick lost misguided puppy that everyone controls , but has no mind and conscious of his own to think about the actions he willingly (not forced) took on his own ? . His redemption will be nothing but forced there is no excuse for the things he did , but you can kindly give me at least one example from the real world when someone like Sasuke was redeemed for the  actions of treason , murder , plotting , etc etc , give me this and i will believe it  that his redemption will not be forced .

 

Oh and one or a few good actions does not compensate for the countless of bad ones he has commit it , i don't think i have to explain my self why is this so. The most realistic approach to Sasuke's case would be a jail time , but of course this is Sasuke and all should be forgiven to him and put it under the rug   . Seriously this Sasuke's redemption would make sense needs to stop , because it's wrong on so many levels that i could write an essay on it .        

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 27 January 2014 - 11:56 AM.

[Turson]

About saving Naruto... I dont think that Minato is going to seal the other half of Kurama into him. Remember Kushina? She was about to reseal Kurama into her, and then die, so it seems that even resealing is not able to save Jinchuuriki whose Bijuu has been extracted.

[sushi.]

I feel you cant put Sasuke in the same boat as Obito. Sure Sasuke did some bad things but nothing as evil as Obito.

- Sides with Oro. Not exactly bad, he does it to become stronger.
- Kills Itachi, at the time Itachi was a "bad" guy.
- Hunts bee. This one is bad but no one dies from it.
- Attacks gokage, raikage ends up losing one arm.
- Kills Danzo, I think he deserved it.
- Stabs Karin, almost kills Sakura and battles Kakashi.

So if you look at the things Sasuke has done, they arent all bad. I feel he can be redeemed. He is already doing it by fighting for the alliance.

I now see that his evilness has been severely exaggerated. He really hasnt done anything that bad. Sure there was that low point but thats over now. The only problem I ever had with him was how easily he changed/was manipulated(Itachi,Oro,Obito).

The baddies can get redeemed no matter how evil they are. I've realized there is no limit. It doesn't matter what they've done, as long as they have a change of heart. Being a victim of the system and friends with Naruto also helps.

Edited by sushi., 27 January 2014 - 12:07 PM.

[Akashi]

I miss pure solid evil so much these days....

[BlueStarSaber]

I miss pure solid evil so much these days....

 

There is still Madara and the zetsus.

[sushi.]

 

There is still Madara and the zetsus.

The Zetsu's don't count :/, they're Madara's creation. If Madara gets redeemed, they probably will as well haha. I would say Madara and Orochimaru, they're the ones we've left.

[Akashi]

The Zetsu's don't count :/, they're Madara's creation. If Madara gets redeemed, they probably will as well haha. I would say Madara and Orochimaru, they're the ones we've left.

According to Hashi Madara can be TNJ-ed.. I really hope that's not gonna happen.

[Atheck]

- He sides with Oro the man responsible for the death of the Third Hokage and the Fourth Kazekage who he latter disguise himself into and manipulates the Sand to attack the Leaf Village not to mention the man who also was responsible for doing gennocide and experiments  on babies  such as Yamato who was the only survivor from this case  , How is it not a bad thing to side with the man who did all of this this is the highest form of treason , wanting to become stronger is not an excuse for siding with a man of the likes of Oro .

 

In his defence, Sasuke never actually pledged his loyalty to Orochimaru or his ambitions. There's little information about the three years spent under his tutelage. Whether he participated in the experimentations or not is unknown, but I would suspect that he didn't if his criticism of Orochimaru's practices is in keeping with his actions. The worst he might have done besides affiliating himself with a highly wanted fugitive (affiliation isn't the same thing as collaboration) is take illegal drugs to stimulate the growth rate of his power. 

 

Sasuke didn't really have any allegiances to anyone at the time besides Hebi and himself. He was neutral with his own moral framework. He had a personal mission that existed independently of any political or military organisation. 

 

The Zetsu's don't count :/, they're Madara's creation. If Madara gets redeemed, they probably will as well haha. I would say Madara and Orochimaru, they're the ones we've left.

 

That's because most of the irredeemable villains have already been killed. Kakuzu, Hidan, Gato, the Sound 4... They were all wiped out without a moment's hesitation. When your antagonists are being slaughtered at the rate that we've been seeing in the manga, it's no surprise that there would be so few left. Even the morally intricate ones are dropping like flies since most of them have so much blood on their hands that it would be realistically impossible for it to be washed off. 

Edited by Atheck, 27 January 2014 - 04:05 PM.

[Shadow1275]

According to Hashi Madara can be TNJ-ed.. I really hope that's not gonna happen.

Agreed, though I'm surprised Hashi thinks he can. He tried to TNJ him before and was forced to put him down. Then again Madara has never experienced TNJ from Naruto so it's still a toss-up.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I like Zetsu and he does come off as a guy who just having a good time trying to find answers as well as killing them to search for one. They may be creation, but that's what make him evil in a pure way, there is no other direction. Madara comes off as a villain so far. He can TNJ at the very end, rather what happened to Obito. By that, I mean death as he acknowledged it without him doing anything good in return.

[Kster95]

I like Zetsu and he does come off as a guy who just having a good time trying to find answers as well as killing them to search for one. They may be creation, but that's what make him evil in a pure way, there is no other direction. Madara comes off as a villain so far. He can TNJ at the very end, rather what happened to Obito. By that, I mean death as he acknowledged it without him doing anything good in return.

I think you are looking way too much into his character, he was created by Madara with one simple purpose of serving him. I dont think zestu has emotions of their own, they only have loyalty towards Madara.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think you are looking way too much into his character, he was created by Madara with one simple purpose of serving him. I dont think zestu has emotions of their own, they only have loyalty towards Madara.

But that's just it. He's only there to do so. It's more like I said what's literally given. Also, he still managed to goof off, like explaining his name and the Black Zetsu. I didn't know being created is a bad thing now.