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[PhenixElite]

Like it or not, Naruto and it's fans heavily focus on combat and fighting. It's a Shonen, after all. That's why people write Sakura off as useless. Conviently, they forget how many people she heals and how many people she saves. That's pretty useful. However, Naruto fans are shallow. They only focus on fighing, not emotional support/healing factors. Not all granted, but a lot of them.

And I understand it. Fighting is awesome and flashy if it's good, it makes you think "Wow, that person is important!" The Sasori fight had that effect, now it's worn off and more people hate her thanks to the Kage Summit. Yeah, I want to see Sakura fight for once. It shifts focus on her and makes her not forgotten. I demand a Sakura fight and it tests my patience to see Kishimoto hasn't done so in over 300 chapters. I swear if I see Sakura healing people anytime soon instead of fighting, I will flip a table.

Bolded: Sakura's shining moments are what makes her noticed. If she doesn't have those anymore, Kishi neglected her. Proves that her "We will fight together!" words were meaningless. Her development with Naruto, while important, isn't everything.

She doesnt need shining moments to be noticed, shes been in nearly every chapter till chapter 500. I personally didnt come to like her character through fights, since for me she was never shown as a character who has intresting skills for fighting. Honestly i also was never a big fan of the sasori fight since for me sakura never developed to a character who is capable for fighting. That was shown to me since part 1. I just wanted to see narutos fights.

The reason sakura became one of my favourite character was just her character development and her development with naruto. Thats the reason why i dont have a problem with her till now. Sure if sakura isnt going to get screentime till the end of the battle or isnt shown to support naruto, then im also going to say that kishi did bad writing there, but till now i dont see a reason to worry.

[Chucky-kun]

Like it or not, Naruto and it's fans heavily focus on combat and fighting. It's a Shonen, after all. That's why people write Sakura off as useless. Conviently, they forget how many people she heals and how many people she saves. That's pretty useful. However, Naruto fans are shallow. They only focus on fighing, not emotional support/healing factors. Not all granted, but a lot of them.

And I understand it. Fighting is awesome and flashy if it's good, it makes you think "Wow, that person is important!" The Sasori fight had that effect, now it's worn off and more people hate her thanks to the Kage Summit. Yeah, I want to see Sakura fight for once. It shifts focus on her and makes her not forgotten. I demand a Sakura fight and it tests my patience to see Kishimoto hasn't done so in over 300 chapters. I swear if I see Sakura healing people anytime soon instead of fighting, I will flip a table.

Bolded: Sakura's shining moments are what makes her noticed. If she doesn't have those anymore, Kishi neglected her. Proves that her "We will fight together!" words were meaningless. Her development with Naruto, while important, isn't everything.

I love how you talk about naruto fans being shallow and focusing on the fighting, and then take fight in a literal meaning, meaning actual hand to hand combat. Fight could be standing side by side, enduring.

And also, most if not all her shining moments are BECAUSE of naruto, that's why I ship this pairing. So her development with naruto has basically been everything.

[Codus N]

What do you mean by indecisiveness? The fact that he only uses the characters when need be?

It depends on what the end result becomes. Given that we're not even near the end of the battle with the juubi it's not really the time to be deciding that. If the battle with the Juubi ends and all Sakura did was heal in the back then we can complain all we want, but until then we can only wait, as annoying as it might be.

I really didn't know about fandoms until after the Summit arc, but I'm gonna guess that during the Immortals arc, Itachi arc, and the beginning of the Pain arc; that a lot of people might've complained that Naruto wasn't getting any significant role. That the focus was being unfairly shifted to Shikamaru, Sasuke, and other characters while Naruto was left in the background. But then he made a triumphant return in order to fight Pain and I'm gonna guess that people were so overjoyed at Naruto finally shining that they forgot about his previous neglect.

Of course, the chances of Naruto shining are bigger considering that he's the main character. I'm just saying that Kishi will use his characters when they are needed, and not a moment before. So given Sakura's speech about her being together with Naruto, I just can't imagine Kishi making her say that just for laughs and kicks. I mean, he specifically made her say that she as an individual was gonna be with him. I would find it stupid that Kishi's idea of Sakura being with Naruto is her healing in the background and not being directly significant to him in the battle. But I won't complain that it's all over because of the fact that, well, it's not all over. That's why I'll only complain at the very end of the battle if Sakura really doesn't do anything.

The thing is, the way I see it, his indecisiveness=procrastinating. He keeps putting off Sakura's screentime to the point where people are starting to forget about her. It's made even worse when Hinata hogs all the spotlight. You know how procrastinating is bad, right?? if you keep putting off stuff to do, eventually, you'll get bitten in the ass. And this is exactly what's happening with Kishi.

Then again, I'm definitely starting to lean on the theory that Kishi has finally given in to fan demand and editor pressure. Which is just utterly sad.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

The thing is, the way I see it, his indecisiveness=procrastinating. He keeps putting off Sakura's screentime to the point where people are starting to forget about her. It's made even worse when Hinata hogs all the spotlight. You know how procrastinating is bad, right?? if you keep putting off stuff to do, eventually, you'll get bitten in the ass. And this is exactly what's happening with Kishi.

Then again, I'm definitely starting to lean on the theory that Kishi has finally given in to fan demand and editor pressure. Which is just utterly sad.

So why he made RTN though(when it should be clearly fanservice) and why favours only one fandom, when there's a lot of fandoms.
Editor pressure wtf?

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 25 January 2013 - 10:43 AM.

[Codus N]

Pretty simple. He caved into editor pressure since a while ago (before RtN). But decided to do RtN to please us while he pleases the NH fandom through the manga. At least that's my take on it.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Pretty simple. He caved into editor pressure since a while ago (before RtN). But decided to do RtN to please us while he pleases the NH fandom through the manga. At least that's my take on it.

Does not make any sense, because way before RTN he was planning this, i do not trust him but i know he's not dumb and i know that he knows what he's doing if he's doing a bad writing he knows he's doing a bad writing.

Pressure, editors does not do this, they are not paid to annoy the authors.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 25 January 2013 - 11:03 AM.

[Codus N]

I really suggest you read Bakuman manga, once you're done, come back to me.

[PhenixElite]

Pretty simple. He caved into editor pressure since a while ago (before RtN). But decided to do RtN to please us while he pleases the NH fandom through the manga. At least that's my take on it.

If hes just giving fanservice to us in RTN, why is he then showing the parallel between the minakushi and narusaku pairing, most of all the parallel between sakura and kushina? This goes with the manga and kushinas comment in the manga. So i think it would be dumb to show something that goes with the story as fanservice.

With this movie kishi is reenforcing the idea that sakura was the girl that kushina ment with her last words to naruto.

Edited by PhenixElite, 25 January 2013 - 11:10 AM.

[Chatte]

OT

@Chatte; I see your new post on DA... Awesome! Show to them how to do it! For all these years, I was angry a lot when people distorted (maybe even on purpose) some chapters with bad translations or worse yet even interviews from Kishimoto

Well, if I'd been more implied in the fandom earlier, I think I would've wiped the floor with them, seriously. It irritates me to see the biasness and the clear intent to bring down her character.
Btw, are you narutofr3ak?

[Codus N]

Yeah, but it's not unheard of for an author to completely scrap the developments in his manga and do a switcheroo because he wants to keep the sales and ratings up. One particular good example I can think of is Medaka Box.

[六道仙人]

Well, if I'd been more implied in the fandom earlier, I think I would've wiped the floor with them, seriously. It irritates me to see the biasness and the clear intent to bring down her character.
Btw, are you narutofr3ak?

No, I'm RikudouSennin... Once a time I used to do colorize and lineart for DA... nothing special anyway.

[Chatte]

No, I'm RikudouSennin... Once a time I used to do colorize and lineart for DA... nothing special anyway.

Ah, I asked because I have 2 who favorited that post and the analysis. With one I talk and with the other one I don't, that's why I asked.
LE: Following you.

Edited by Chatte, 25 January 2013 - 11:21 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I really suggest you read Bakuman manga, once you're done, come back to me.

Now i have to read something to understand my statement?
It's the same thing as "read the hobbit" to understand the movie.
Kishimoto is sovereign on its decisions, you're just whining because of Hinata, i still dont see her as a real threat because of a lot of stuff, editors can make suggestions and then the mangaka decide if he accept or not, if she was a real threat she would make Hinata less Naruto-centric, if you think he's doing a good job with Hinata i say it's the complete inverse, he's doing a bad job with both Sakura and Hinata.

Hinata does not get close to Kushina because of this Naruto centered vision, just look at the battlefield she's chasing Naruto everywhere like a glue, and this is pissing off not just us the "NS" fans but the Naruto fanbase in general, there are a lot of people who are not happy with the recent events.
People who care about the plot are giving up one by one.

The annoying thing is every Hinata appearance is an excuse to start freaking out, about RTN he did the RTN but he too did fanservice with NH on the one-shot the SS with the one-shot and the adversitizing and 1-2 scenes on the movie, my take is he know what he's doing, and the reason for why we dont have a interview about Naruto's story this year is because he knows he's doing kitten and it will take a while for him to fix it.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 25 January 2013 - 11:26 AM.

[Chatte]

Well... you know why is disturbing to not have Sakura in this respective chapter??
Because of this:



Even though she wouldn't have fought, it would've been nice that her words were actually come to fruition... We have the all, but we don't have the "together"...

[PhenixElite]

Yeah, but it's not unheard of for an author to completely scrap the developments in his manga and do a switcheroo because he wants to keep the sales and ratings up. One particular good example I can think of is Medaka Box.

First of all something like that is very uncommon, second you dont do it with one of the popularst mangas. Its by far not the same if mangaka acts like that with an uncommon manga. But you dont do it if its one of the 3 popularst.

@ chatte: if sakura was in that group picture she would look like a side character.

Edited by PhenixElite, 25 January 2013 - 11:33 AM.

[Chatte]

@ chatte: if sakura was in that group picture she would look like a side character.

Or we could've had her next to Naruto...

[Chucky-kun]

Or we could've had her next to Naruto...

Randomly....

[PhenixElite]

Or we could've had her next to Naruto...

Theres no space narutos head is too big.

[Chatte]

Randomly....

Of course that not randomly...but meh, anyway..

[Chucky-kun]

Of course that not randomly...but meh, anyway..

But now its bloody obvious that Sakura is a key to the plot/future of this war.