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#8281 ramenanmitsu

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 05:36 PM

QUOTE (Madz @ Feb 10 2012, 07:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Babyvee - I thought (hoped) the same thing, and I even have a plot for it:

In the latest Kishi's interview (posted recently in a thread here), he said that he liked How To Train Your Dragon. I ALWAYS thought that the Hiccup / Astrid pairing is quite similar to NS, and moreso the NS Hug at the end of Pain fight is very similar to the ending of How To Train Your Dragon, where Astrid punches Hiccup and says "that's for worrying me", Hiccup whines: "is this going to always be like this??" then Astrid KISSES him.

(And Sakura's latest monologue about her concern for Naruto only strengthened my fantasy plot)
So, in my head, it will go like this, (a re-visitation of the Pain fight Hug):

End of war, battered Naruto having his usual (adoring) silly smile.
Sakura marches up to him and punches him on the head.
Naruto, pouting and mumbling "Sakura-chaaaaaaan. Will it always be like this?"
Every one else around them chuckle, remembering about the Pain war, thinking: "here's Sakura punching Naruto again."
Narusaku fans, a bit nervous. "What is she DOING!"
Naruhina fans (brandishing pitchforks and torches and screaming sacriledge): See!!! She is ABUSIVE and VIOLENT!!! She does NOT deserve Naruto!!!!!
Sakura, glaring at Naruto: "That's for worrying me to death, you BAKA!"
Naruto, nervous, then thinks about the Pain fight's hug too, and thinks "a hug will be coming!"
But no hug, instead, Sakura pulls him in for a Kiss tongue.gif .
The rest is up to our imagination!

(And I think the young Kurama looks a little bit like Toothless in How to train Your Dragon)

Wow! That is totally in character for the both of them a_thumbs.gif

I can definitely see it happening.
But if either one is going to kiss, I still think Naruto is the one who will initiate it.
Or why would Kishi go through all the trouble showing(and foreshadowing), "I wanna kiss your forehead" scene and then show it again with MinaKushi's "I like your beautiful red hair".
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Posted 10 February 2012 - 06:10 PM

QUOTE (Dalton (I stink at names) @ Feb 10 2012, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So this is coming from a pro SS fan who people have been dabating with.

Just as I thought, there are no indications of romantic feelings whatsoever. What there is is Sakura's true acknowledgement of Naruto as a teammate and friend - Naruto saving Sakura's ass, Sakura worring about Naruto like any person would do and friendly hug between the two of them. How can these be evidence seriously? Chapter 540 can be many thing, but the last thing it is, is big hint for NS. It simply isn't. Its like saying Sakura's false confession to Naruto was a major NS hint.

Also, many people like to claim Sasuke has no feelings for Sakura. Just because Sasuke doesn't show his emotions, doesn't mean he has not any. Sasuke has also gratitude to Sakura, and yes, Sakura had saved Sasuke's life twice. Over the course of Part I, it was already shown how Sakura developed her feelings of fangirl-ness to a selfless, trusting, caring love to Sasuke.

Saying that 'Part I is gone and this Shippuden Sakura' is no where near true. Like I said many of the characters current situation is a result of what happen in the first series. And Kishimoto did state on a interview that he had the overall plot sorted out from the beginning...

This is how I see it : After all the time Naruto and Sakura spent together without Sasuke, and if NS was ever meant to happen, Sakura and Naruto would be in a very different situation that they are now. Yet Naruto still has that clumsy feelings for Sakura and Sakura still loves Sasuke.

What I'm trying to say is that, considering that Kishi is not very fond of relationships and considering that he had plenty of time to put Sakura and Naruto together but still he didn't do it (made Sakura falsely confess to Naruto instead), its almost like a wake up call for NS fans - it has very little chances of happening.

He could have easily thrown Sakura to Naruto's arms, and still he didn't. Instead he shows evidence that Hinata is growing stronger so as her feelings for him, not to mention her genuine confession and her sacrifice. And now we are in a war, meaning that sort of development between Naruto and Sakura is over. Now this will be about Sasuke.


Anyone want to give me a few comebacks to that? I've used about every bullet I have and she still ignores them. I swear some of these SS fans just refuse to accept SS is dead.


Well even if that MIGHT be true the SS fan is forgetting that Naruto is a shounen manga which means the most likely pairing is main protagonist+tsundere. The manga is called Naruto not Sasuke, not Sakura and certainly not Hinata. It's about Naruto fulfilling his goals and dreams and winning Sakura's heart is a bonus on those goals period.
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Posted 10 February 2012 - 08:27 PM

QUOTE (narunarunaru @ Feb 10 2012, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One thing I don't like about NaruSaku right now is the lack of partnership.

Sakura trusts Naruto. (And relies too much on him as well)
1. During the fight between Kiba vs. Naruto, Sakura had complete faith in him, unlike Hinata who was worried.
2. During the Sasuke retrieval arc with team 8, when Tobi hit Naruto and Hinata was worried, Sakura was like, "Don't worry, Naruto is fine."
3. Same could be said during the Pein fight. She trusted Naruto to come to the rescue. And she never went against, "don't disturb my fight."
4. After the encounter with Karui and Omoi, Naruto said "leave it to me Sakura-chan." Sakura did as was told.

It makes me feel as if Kishi's intentionally putting the scenes with team 8 to show the difference between Sakura and Hinata.

But when does Naruto trust Sakura?
What got me frustrated was that Sakura was the only member of team 7 who doesn't know anything at all about the Uchiha massacre. What makes it worse is that Naruto kept it a secret from Sakura because Kakashi said so.
Sure, Sakura lies to Naruto too. Like, when she got hurt from the four tails Naruto, or about killing Sasuke. But the reason was because, she wanted to protect him.
I know trust is to be earned. But if Naruto loves Sakura but he doesn't trust her, how is it really different to Sakura loving Sasuke(who she never really trusted from before the time skip)?

NaruSaku is one-sided in a way.
If this was in a modern setting it would be like, "Hey thank you for working for me night and day!" "Your welcome. Thank you for staying in the kitchen and waiting for me!"
If that is the type of girl Naruto wants, then I think Hinata is more fit for it.

Do you think this will be solved after what Itachi said about trusting and relying on your teammates?
Because I'm not sure I want NaruSaku to happen when it's really one-sided the way it is.

P.S I'm confident that NS will happen. My statement above is not if it will happen or not, but whether I want it to happen the way it is.

Yeah, that's what worries me too. It feels as if Sakura is being neglected.

Anyway, Naruto's primary tasks at the moment are defeating Tobi/saving Sasuke... I'm afraid that we will find out who is the girl Naruto will end up with only after the war.
Urgh, this obscurity, plus nervous waiting are just making things even worse.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 08:33 PM

QUOTE (Fickly @ Feb 10 2012, 07:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hinata's extra bit of confidence is the result of Naruto telling her that she's strong in 559 (what Naruto said then meant a lot to her as her "thank you" expressed) and whatever message transpired through the two of them looking at each other's eyes. I'm not of the opinion that Hinata's "confidence" in this chapter is due to the two of them talking about the confession. I consider it a result of chapter 559. I was 90% sure would be canon after chapter 98 but after this one it became 100%. Whatever you guys say smile.gif.




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Posted 10 February 2012 - 09:26 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Feb 9 2012, 06:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have already explained my reasons for as to why I believe NaruSaku will become canon in previous post so I won't repeat it. I will just say that if Kishimoto decided to have Naruto love Hinata then why make him love Sakura so much?, why the many parallels and tender moments between them?, why so much build up if it wasn't necessary? He could have developed them with a more friendly tone, so why not? He could have slowly made Naruto's attention shift from Sakura to Hinata but he chose not to. Now all of a sudden Naruto will start to think of Hinata romantically? Wouldn't it feel kind of awkward. I believe that the NaruSaku development was done so that when Sakura finally falls for Naruto that one doesn't look weird.

Naruto not loving Sakura anymore would truly look out of place, loving Sakura is part of what makes Naruto who he is. He wouldn't feel like Naruto if he had eyes for someone other than his Sakura-chan. (I want to note that the only person who addresses Sakura with -chan is Naruto). In all honesty I like NaruHina, it could make a great pairing if it was properly developed, but in the story I have read so far I just can't imagine it happening, I just can't view Naruto seeing her as the girl he loves no matter how hard I try.

Now when it comes to Sakura loving Sasuke, I will go with what Naruto said in a certain filler episode. What he likes about Sakura the most is how hard she tries when it comes to Sasuke, which is a reflection on his own personality of never giving up. In the bench scene chapter when he's transformed into Sasuke and Sakura tries to kiss him he thinks "I think I understand now why I like Sakura so much", the reason being what I just said. So I believe that Naruto will only go full force to win Sakura's heart when Team 7 can be together again (In what way that can happen only Kishi knows).

Naruto wants Sakura to have no excuse (being absent, being a criminal, etc.) to choose him over Sasuke, he wants her to choose him because she wants to and not because she has to.


I *totally*, *entirely* agree with you.

About the last chapter, i've talked with a japanese friend.
What Hinata said is about stop chasing Naru and start to be at his level.
That's all.
It's not romantic AT ALL.

Edited by Otaru, 10 February 2012 - 10:09 PM.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 11:09 PM

QUOTE (Fenris @ Feb 9 2012, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Definitely.


I was thinking that, I had a thought of Kyuubi or Naruto making a comment after he kisses Sakura about it.




I loved this too. <3


Well, Sakura is also part of the k11, and Sasori - who took down the Third, ... (I forgot what they're called ..., and ... (Someone refresh my memory, I'm having a total brain lapse here. argh1.png ) My point is, Sakura took down Sasori like a piece of cake. I know Pain is probably more stronger than Sasori - but that was my point in the other post discussing on how *I really don't know how people can see Hinata as a heroine.* Sakura's fight was about 5 + chapters, Hinata's fight didn't take me 20 seconds to read because it was literally over as soon as it begun. Not dissing, just being serious here.


Again, not Pain, girl. So if Sakura got smacked around by Sasori or Pain and was defeated in a few seconds would you laugh? I'm not dogging on you. really. Just that I am reflecting on how I see things so as to not be a hypocrite to my self so I will not laugh at Hinata's failures.

QUOTE (narunarunaru @ Feb 10 2012, 12:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One thing I don't like about NaruSaku right now is the lack of partnership.

Sakura trusts Naruto. (And relies too much on him as well)
1. During the fight between Kiba vs. Naruto, Sakura had complete faith in him, unlike Hinata who was worried.
2. During the Sasuke retrieval arc with team 8, when Tobi hit Naruto and Hinata was worried, Sakura was like, "Don't worry, Naruto is fine."
3. Same could be said during the Pein fight. She trusted Naruto to come to the rescue. And she never went against, "don't disturb my fight."
4. After the encounter with Karui and Omoi, Naruto said "leave it to me Sakura-chan." Sakura did as was told.

It makes me feel as if Kishi's intentionally putting the scenes with team 8 to show the difference between Sakura and Hinata.

But when does Naruto trust Sakura?
What got me frustrated was that Sakura was the only member of team 7 who doesn't know anything at all about the Uchiha massacre. What makes it worse is that Naruto kept it a secret from Sakura because Kakashi said so.
Sure, Sakura lies to Naruto too. Like, when she got hurt from the four tails Naruto, or about killing Sasuke. But the reason was because, she wanted to protect him.
I know trust is to be earned. But if Naruto loves Sakura but he doesn't trust her, how is it really different to Sakura loving Sasuke(who she never really trusted from before the time skip)?

NaruSaku is one-sided in a way.
If this was in a modern setting it would be like, "Hey thank you for working for me night and day!" "Your welcome. Thank you for staying in the kitchen and waiting for me!"
If that is the type of girl Naruto wants, then I think Hinata is more fit for it.

Do you think this will be solved after what Itachi said about trusting and relying on your teammates?
Because I'm not sure I want NaruSaku to happen when it's really one-sided the way it is.

P.S I'm confident that NS will happen. My statement above is not if it will happen or not, but whether I want it to happen the way it is.


Same thing really he wants to protect her. Wouldn't telling her cause her to be even more upset? that Sasuke now understood his "kind, gentle" brother's intentions but still choose to CUT DOWN everyone in her village? it would cause her to be feel even more hopeless to bring Sasuke back which Naruto assured that he would. Anyways Kakashi, and Yamato heard it too and they said for him not to tell anyone because ot will only harm Konoha's emotional state while they are recovering from Nagato's assault.

QUOTE (Huke @ Feb 10 2012, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, that's what worries me too. It feels as if Sakura is being neglected.

Anyway, Naruto's primary tasks at the moment are defeating Tobi/saving Sasuke... I'm afraid that we will find out who is the girl Naruto will end up with only after the war.
Urgh, this obscurity, plus nervous waiting are just making things even worse.


OR it might show BEFORE he fights Sasuke. that's possible. smile.gif You're not alone in feeling anxious but let's endure until we get there okay?

QUOTE (Otaru @ Feb 10 2012, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I *totally*, *entirely* agree with you.

About the last chapter, i've talked with a japanese friend.
What Hinata said is about stop chasing Naru and start to be at his level.
That's all.
It's not romantic AT ALL.


Oh I could tell that without a translator cool.gif

Edited by Phantom_999, 10 February 2012 - 11:10 PM.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 11:18 PM

lol ^^

i wanted to be sure of what was written exactly in japanese ^^

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 11:21 PM

Since I'm very lazy in typing out points, I'll just share a video of why NS will happen. This guy shapes his points logically and its really hard to counter it. If you have 15 minutes to spare go ahead and watch it. Most people should know him but I'll just share it anyway.


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Posted 10 February 2012 - 11:31 PM

QUOTE (Darth Krypt @ Feb 10 2012, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Since I'm very lazy in typing out points, I'll just share a video of why NS will happen. This guy shapes his points logically and its really hard to counter it. If you have 15 minutes to spare go ahead and watch it. Most people should know him but I'll just share it anyway.


Huh, I've seen that guy before when I was just randomly surfing Youtube. Somehow I went from watching an LP of Amnesia to Ice Age to Naruto to NaruSaku to this guy...Youtube...you work in verry weird ways...

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 11:57 PM

Let's not also forget guys that Kishimoto himself stated that he's not all that good at writing romantic type scenes in Naruto, so that could be another reason we haven't gotten any conclusive confessions. Either that or Kishimoto just wants to keep the fandoms happy by not writing about one all the time.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 12:34 AM

Dont forget normally when theres a NaruHina moment there always a NaruSaku moment coming up.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 12:34 AM

QUOTE (Fyuria'sLeo @ Feb 11 2012, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dont forget normally when theres a NaruHina moment there always a NaruSaku moment coming up.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 02:03 AM

Well there is two things I don't like about NH

NHrs and the fact that it may lead to SS, and I really hate SS pairing.

But the reason why we get so many NH (Hinata moments) because it doesn't affect the balance...

If we get another Naruto confirmation about loving Sakura, that will complitly kill NH and SS because Naruto comes 1st.

If he show Sakura really thinking about starting a relationship with Naruto NH and SS are good has dead

If we get a confirmation of Sakura thinking about Naruto but still state that she love Sasuke NS is good as dead...

Sasuke lol. If we get something about him lovin Sakura it will kill NS too... But he he have feeling and Naruto confirms that he love Sakura and he will never give up, then Sakura will dump Sasuke and go for Naruto....

Kishi is smart he knows Naruto haven't look in Hinata's way yet, by feeding the Hinata Fans, you feed the SS fans too... with out killing the NS fans in the process....

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 02:45 AM

QUOTE (donjoseph19 @ Feb 10 2012, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well there is two things I don't like about NH

NHrs and the fact that it may lead to SS, and I really hate SS pairing.

But the reason why we get so many NH (Hinata moments) because it doesn't affect the balance...

If we get another Naruto confirmation about loving Sakura, that will complitly kill NH and SS because Naruto comes 1st.

If he show Sakura really thinking about starting a relationship with Naruto NH and SS are good has dead

If we get a confirmation of Sakura thinking about Naruto but still state that she love Sasuke NS is good as dead...

Sasuke lol. If we get something about him lovin Sakura it will kill NS too... But he he have feeling and Naruto confirms that he love Sakura and he will never give up, then Sakura will dump Sasuke and go for Naruto....

Kishi is smart he knows Naruto haven't look in Hinata's way yet, by feeding the Hinata Fans, you feed the SS fans too... with out killing the NS fans in the process....

And I'm not seeing Sasuke loving Sakura anytime soon. Most of those fandoms forget that a relationship is TWO people. They both have to harbor feelings for eachother and NS is the only pairing that has that. The thing that drives me insane the most about those two fandoms is they think NS has zero development. It's the only pairing that has development. And if memory serves right I've read people saying Kishi likes couples like NS. I say we load our weapons and strike the others hard and fast lol. Who's cannon now jerks?

Sorry, but I got in a fight with two rabbid NH and SS fans today and they drove me insane! Just needed to blow off some steam.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 03:07 AM

QUOTE (Dalton (I stink at names) @ Feb 10 2012, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And I'm not seeing Sasuke loving Sakura anytime soon. Most of those fandoms forget that a relationship is TWO people. They both have to harbor feelings for eachother and NS is the only pairing that has that. The thing that drives me insane the most about those two fandoms is they think NS has zero development. It's the only pairing that has development. And if memory serves right I've read people saying Kishi likes couples like NS. I say we load our weapons and strike the others hard and fast lol. Who's cannon now jerks?

Sorry, but I got in a fight with two rabbid NH and SS fans today and they drove me insane! Just needed to blow off some steam.


Not to mention that according to the US interview with Kishi he said that he wants to keep Naruto as Yin and Yang meaning Naruto is the good part and Sasuke the opposite which means he will never love anyone including Sakura since he's the opposite of Naruto.
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 03:26 AM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Feb 10 2012, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not to mention that according to the US interview with Kishi he said that he wants to keep Naruto as Yin and Yang meaning Naruto is the good part and Sasuke the opposite which means he will never love anyone including Sakura since he's the opposite of Naruto.

Wait, really? So that means SasuSaku is officialy dead??? Can you send me a link?

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 03:43 AM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Feb 11 2012, 04:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not to mention that according to the US interview with Kishi he said that he wants to keep Naruto as Yin and Yang meaning Naruto is the good part and Sasuke the opposite which means he will never love anyone including Sakura since he's the opposite of Naruto.

I like the sounding of that.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 03:46 AM

QUOTE (Dalton (I stink at names) @ Feb 11 2012, 04:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wait, really? So that means SasuSaku is officialy dead??? Can you send me a link?



Just a gentle reminder that no pairing is canon or dead at this point of time.

Also, please keep in mind that there might be upcoming SS moments as mentioned by Tricksie in earlier post. It's just inevitable, so brace yourself.

So, let's keep our spirit high and keep supporting NS, for it's the best pairing with the complete dynamic relationship in the manga...

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 03:46 AM

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I like the sounding of that.

Hells yeah!

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 04:21 AM

QUOTE (Otaru @ Feb 10 2012, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
lol ^^

i wanted to be sure of what was written exactly in japanese ^^

So you're sure it wasn't romantic? Because according to narunarunaru Hinata meant that she wanted to hold hands with him intimately. But I guess even people who understand japanese can have different opinions so I guess I'll go with yours.




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