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#8281 trang95

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Posted 07 September 2015 - 05:16 PM

Lol, I really don't see how Touka's gonna call Shuu out on his own crap when she doesn't even know what he went through for the past 3 years. Anyways, I don't know how anybody can say that he just wants Kaneki for his own devices when he was literally talking about wanting to get Banjou, Hinami, and the whole gang back together. But that's considered completely selfish, right :roll:
Then Touka literally said at the end of the conversation when Shuu was leaving that she understands how he feels, so :zaru:

While it's true that she has no clue what Shu went through over the last three yrs, one thing I need to remind you of though is that Touka and Shu were never on equal ground. They never were friends to begin, unlike Kaneki and Shu. So I can't blame her and Nishiki to act so hostile towards him. They couldn't even imagine that Shu might truly care for Kaneki and co.


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Posted 07 September 2015 - 05:16 PM

Even though Tsukiyama says he wants a Kaneki back for his own devices :zaru: those people are so dumb

Well, I think Shu does care for Kaneki, but both have different viewpoints on what's best for Kaneki.


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Posted 07 September 2015 - 05:31 PM

Well...

f-cking FINALLY.

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Posted 07 September 2015 - 05:32 PM

Has chapter 43 been released yet?

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Posted 07 September 2015 - 05:33 PM

Has chapter 43 been released yet?

nope, but rawz are up.

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Posted 07 September 2015 - 05:34 PM

nope, but rawz are up.


That's no good. :hm:

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Posted 07 September 2015 - 05:36 PM

forgot to comment about shirazu's sister.

That poor thing. ):

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Posted 07 September 2015 - 05:40 PM

Lol, I really don't see how Touka's gonna call Shuu out on his own crap when she doesn't even know what he went through for the past 3 years. Anyways, I don't know how anybody can say that he just wants Kaneki for his own devices when he was literally talking about wanting to get Banjou, Hinami, and the whole gang back together. But that's considered completely selfish, right :roll:
Then Touka literally said at the end of the conversation when Shuu was leaving that she understands how he feels, so :zaru:

Does it matter if she knows or not? What he went through for 3 years is absolutely irrelevant. He was talking about getting the gang back together, but as Nishiki said, it wasn't for Kaneki's sake, it was for his own. For his ego, not because it was actually better for Kaneki.

Touka has every right to call him out, considering that she's actually thinking about his welfare, while Tsukiyama isn't thinking about it at all. Touka understands how he feels only in wanting Kaneki to come back, but that doesn't mean they're similar in any regard. Of the two, Touka is the only one that is actually demonstrating care for Kaneki.

Edit: if you really want to talk about what happened over 3 years, Tsukiyama did nothing but mope around miserable at the fact that he lost what he considered a prize, Touka stood tall and built a home for Kaneki to come back to should he ever be able to come back. So yes, Touka has every right to call Tsukiyama out.

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Posted 07 September 2015 - 05:56 PM

Ohhhhhhh stuff is happening....I'll be back xD

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Posted 07 September 2015 - 05:57 PM

Ohhhhhhh stuff is happening....I'll be back xD

Imao, you and GH XD

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Posted 07 September 2015 - 06:10 PM

While it's true that she has no clue what Shu went through over the last three yrs, one thing I need to remind you of though is that Touka and Shu were never on equal ground. They never were friends to begin, unlike Kaneki and Shu. So I can't blame her and Nishiki to act so hostile towards him. They couldn't even imagine that Shu might truly care for Kaneki and co.

Oh, I wasn't expecting them to act all buddy buddy in the first place. Plus, I really wasn't here for everybody trying to bash Touka anyways on tumblr. It's just the spoilers at first made it seem like she was trying to push all the blame on Shuu for bringing Sasaki/Kaneki back in the ghoul world. Then it's not like I don't exactly agree with Touka's viewpoint, because I do think she has a valid point. But I also agree with Shuu's, because I honestly don't think (save for a few people) that the CCG would hesitate putting Sasaki down if the time actually calls for it.

So I can see why Touka would want for him to stay human (since he didn't get that chance after the whole Rize disaster), but I'm still able to see why Shuu would want Sasaki/Kaneki to get his memories back so he can actually make that choice for himself. Then I really don't have any reason to be mad at Touka because she does understand how Shuu's feeling, so it's not like she just wants to leave Sasaki/Kaneki to his own devices.

Does it matter if she knows or not? What he went through for 3 years is absolutely irrelevant. He was talking about getting the gang back together, but as Nishiki said, it wasn't for Kaneki's sake, it was for his own. For his ego, not because it was actually better for Kaneki.
Touka has every right to call him out, considering that she's actually thinking about his welfare, while Tsukiyama isn't thinking about it at all. Touka understands how he feels only in wanting Kaneki to come back, but that doesn't mean they're similar in any regard. Of the two, Touka is the only one that is actually demonstrating care for Kaneki.
Edit: if you really want to talk about what happened over 3 years, Tsukiyama did nothing but mope around miserable at the fact that he lost what he considered a prize, Touka stood tall and built a home for Kaneki to come back to should he ever be able to come back. So yes, Touka has every right to call Tsukiyama out.

"Something he considered a prize". Lol nah, if Shuu really thought of Kaneki as just a prize at the end, he wouldn't have been so eager to get the old group together as much as he is now. He wouldn't feel that sad about the fact that Kaneki/Sasaki has a new life. And by prize, I'm guessing you mean by something he wants to eat, which is far from being true because when has Tsukiyama mentioned once that he wants to eat Kaneki since he came back? Those 3 years aren't irrelevant, because she still doesn't have any kind of damn clue what went on between Shuu and Kaneki during the time they were together or how it affected him after he went off to save Anteiku.

And lol, if Touka has every right to call Tsukiyama out, he has just as much to call her out on since she spent the rest of part 1 literally being sad about the fact that, lol, people change when they go through traumatic experiences. She spent a lot of the time wanting the old Kaneki back, when she knew deep down that that was never going to come back. I didn't see Shuu trying to force him to be somebody he couldn't be anymore, but nope, Touka beats the crap out of him, calls him trash, and then proceeds to tell him to never come back to Anteiku. I mean, it's not like that would make him feel even more sh*tty than he already does feel, but whatever. A+ for Touka definitely caring for Kaneki's wellbeing. And how is she going to act like the CCG is a better place for him, when save for a few people, they'd be ready to strike him down in a heartbeat. Lol, I'd love to see her say that when she finds out that Hinami's trapped in Cochlea by the same people who are doing SO much for Sasaki/Kaneki right now :zaru:
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Posted 07 September 2015 - 06:27 PM

Oh, I wasn't expecting them to act all buddy buddy in the first place. Plus, I really wasn't here for everybody trying to bash Touka anyways on tumblr. It's just the spoilers at first made it seem like she was trying to push all the blame on Shuu for bringing Sasaki/Kaneki back in the ghoul world. Then it's not like I don't exactly agree with Touka's viewpoint, because I do think she has a valid point. But I also agree with Shuu's, because I honestly don't think (save for a few people) that the CCG would hesitate putting Sasaki down if the time actually calls for it.
So I can see why Touka would want for him to stay human (since he didn't get that chance after the whole Rize disaster), but I'm still able to see why Shuu would want Sasaki/Kaneki to get his memories back so he can actually make that choice for himself. Then I really don't have any reason to be mad at Touka because she does understand how Shuu's feeling, so it's not like she just wants to leave Sasaki/Kaneki to his own devices."Something he considered a prize". Lol nah, if Shuu really thought of Kaneki as just a prize at the end, he wouldn't have been so eager to get the old group together as much as he is now. He wouldn't feel that sad about the fact that Kaneki/Sasaki has a new life. And by prize, I'm guessing you mean by something he wants to eat, which is far from being true because when has Tsukiyama mentioned once that he wants to eat Kaneki since he came back? Those 3 years aren't irrelevant, because she still doesn't have any kind of damn clue what went on between Shuu and Kaneki during the time they were together or how it affected him after he went off to save Anteiku.
And lol, if Touka has every right to call Tsukiyama out, he has just as much to call her out on since she spent the rest of part 1 literally being sad about the fact that, lol, people change when they go through traumatic experiences. She spent a lot of the time wanting the old Kaneki back, when she knew deep down that that was never going to come back. I didn't see Shuu trying to force him to be somebody he couldn't be anymore, but nope, Touka beats the crap out of him, calls him trash, and then proceeds to tell him to never come back to Anteiku. I mean, it's not like that would make him feel even more sh*tty than he already does feel, but whatever. A+ for Touka definitely caring for Kaneki's wellbeing. And how is she going to act like the CCG is a better place for him, when save for a few people, they'd be ready to strike him down in a heartbeat. Lol, I'd love to see her say that when she finds out that Hinami's trapped in Cochlea by the same people who are doing SO much for Sasaki/Kaneki right now :zaru:

Except for the fact that Tsukiyama confirmed that he wanted to bring Kaneki back to sate his own ego, so yes, he isn't acting for Kaneki, but for himself. Once again, those three years mean nothing, what Tsukiyama's relationship was with Kaneki was confirmed again to her in this chapter. She and Nishiki didn't even need to know anything about the 6 months Kaneki crew spent together, and they still accuracy gauged that Tsukiyama is in it for himself, not for Kaneki.

And no, he doesn't have that right, considering that her actions were out of genuine care for Kaneki. Not to mention, she's was actually contrite and apologetic and remorseful that she did those things. Tsukiyama's actions are not of concern, and never were. Trying to make a comparison between the two is extremely asinine. You act like she knows the inner workings of the CCG. She saw Kaneki look happy with a squad, at a place where she thought he wouldn't face the same pain that the ghoul world showed him, where he wasn't in risk of being hunted down, where he wasn't ashamed of being a monster, and where he wasn't struggling.

Tsukiyama wants Kaneki back because he's selfish, Touka wants him back but won't do anything that causes him harm, she's thinking for Kaneki's sake. That much was made obviously clear in this chapter.

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#8293 Michi

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Posted 07 September 2015 - 06:44 PM

Imao, you and GH XD


they should get married. :smug:

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Posted 07 September 2015 - 06:56 PM

I really like the whole conversation, especially from Touka's side because while she is doing it in a selfless way, there's a part of her that really wants him back because well you all know. Despite of this, she will stay what's best for Kaneki and that is living in a much safer life than he had in TG series 1. She knew that he went through hell and I think that day where she saw him the last time was the sealing point because long time ago, Kaneki was smiling, normal, and just a guy who wants to live with others. But then, the later Kaneki is lost, broken, and just a guy who don't have a real mean of living. That chapter is always significant to me because Touka saw the low point of him. After that, Kaneki tried to get back together, starting with apologizing to his team after he was being ruthless and selfish to get his revenge. But once Anteiku raid began, it was too late for him to go back.

 

So, now in :re, the chapter with her smiling that shows happy yet sad made sense on her feeling with Kaneki. She's fine that Kaneki is back safe, but it is sad that he's in a new life. So what's best for him: being himself or being safe as another person's mind. Going back to chapter 31.5, it seems clear that Touka wants to let him live on the way he is now. It also fits in with Uta being like, "That's nice and all, but I still see him special (aka a game)." That all said it's a ticking bomb now since Kaneki will return completely since everyone is pushing him. Eto, Uta and Pierrot, and the one no one can stop, Sasaki himself. He's bound to return, so whatever Touka wished for won't last forever. Sasaki's quest to get his memory is all on him, as no one else knows outside of Kaneki himself. Basically, his return will surprise (more or less) Touka and others, unless Shuu did the work. Judging by the next chapter spoiler, it's clear that he's really getting himself closer now that he's connecting himself with Amon, the man who is said to be the key.



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Posted 07 September 2015 - 06:56 PM

they should get married. :smug:


Speaking of marriage :smug:

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Posted 07 September 2015 - 10:02 PM

Speaking of marriage :smug:


:hm:

What are you planning...?

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Posted 07 September 2015 - 10:40 PM

:hm:

What are you planning...?

:fu:


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Posted 07 September 2015 - 10:40 PM

Whoa the chapter came with a bang :D

 

That's more like it


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Posted 07 September 2015 - 11:35 PM

Now we wait for 43...

I still want to be a cheeseburger.

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 01:35 AM

:fu:

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