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[Sojobo]

Sakura wants to protect him too, and she let us know that before Hinata.
But she can't, she always fails for some reason. (intentionally by the author in my point of view)

Yamato gave her some advice, she didn't seems to realize the meaning of his words yet, otherwise, she probably succeeded to protect him like she always wanted a long time ago.
What's important, is how you feel about him. Sakura never doubt about her friendship with Naruto, so it has to be something other than that.
I only can think about romantic feelings "Sakura, I can tell just by looking at you, the truth is you...

The truth!! I think this word has to be taken really seriously!
She loves Sasuke, but the truth is... something that Yamato coudn't say in time.

This makes so much sense when Kishimoto says she doesn't know the nature of her feelings for Naruto, even now.
Kishimoto doesn't deny her feelings for Sasuke, because these are the facts actually, it has always been : She loves Sasuke in the beginning until now. Real love or just superficial, we don't care, she is presented as the girl who loves the badboy Sasuke.

BUT... (there is a but) there is THE TRUTH that Yamato was talking about, the truth that Kishi didn't let him say, probably because it was to early to reveal this fact. (a fact that we aren't suppose to know yet)
Kishimoto has to come back with Yamato's speech, because it's the key for Sakura to shine towards Naruto.


Every rookie will shine, I mean, you had to expect that she would hold her hands in battle with Naruto, this is what she wanted to do in the battlefield.
Her developpement is already finished.


Hinata : Naruto... I've always been chasing after you, even now (this means that she is always chasing after him on the battlefield), but once this war ends, I'm going to stop once and for all.

What I understood in her speech, is that she already know that he loves someone else, and that she can't walking with him holding his hands forever.

So I don't expect too much for NaruHina. Keep in mind that this will probably be the last time we will see them together.
Sounds like someone who doesn't want to face reality, cause for to many people (even NSfans), NH is obvious.
I'm a NS fan, but I can be objective, and I'm sorry, but NH has no chances because of what Kishimoto has done before.
Like I said earlier, there is no developpement to see about our hero forgetting his feelings for Sakura, or even doubt about them.

Edited by Sojobo, 09 January 2013 - 06:45 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Sakura wants to protect him too, and she let us know that before Hinata.
But she can't, she always fails for some reason. (intentionally by the author in my point of view)

Yamato gave her some advice, she didn't seems to realize the meaning of his words yet, otherwise, she probably succeeded to protect him like she always wanted a long time ago.
What's important, is how you feel about him. Sakura never doubt about her friendship with Naruto, so it has to be something other than that.
I only can think about romantic feelings "Sakura, I can tell just by looking at you, the truth is you...

The truth!! I think this word has to be taken really seriously!
She loves Sasuke, but the truth is... something that Yamato coudn't say in time.

This makes so much sense when Kishimoto says she doesn't know the nature of her feelings for Naruto, even now.
Kishimoto doesn't deny her feelings for Sasuke, because these are the facts actually, it has always been : She loves Sasuke in the beginning until now. Real love or just superficial, we don't care, she is presented as the girl who loves the badboy Sasuke.

BUT... (there is a but) there is THE TRUTH that Yamato was talking about, the truth that Kishi didn't let him say, probably because it was to early to reveal this fact. (a fact that we aren't suppose to know yet)
Kishimoto has to come back with Yamato's speech, because it's the key for Sakura to shine towards Naruto.


Every rookie will shine, I mean, you had to expect that she would hold her hands in battle with Naruto, this is what she wanted to do in the battlefield.
Her developpement is already finished.


Hinata : Naruto... I've always been chasing after you, even now (this means that she is always chasing after him on the battlefield), but once this war ends, I'm going to stop once and for all.

What I understood in her speech, is that she already know that he loves someone else, and that she can't walking with him holding his hands forever.

So I don't expect too much for NaruHina. Keep in mind that this will probably be the last time we will see them together.
Sounds like someone who doesn't want to face reality, cause for to many people (even NSfans), NH is obvious.
I'm a NS fan, but I can be objective, and I'm sorry, but NH has no chances because of what Kishimoto has done before.
Like I said earlier, there is no developpement to see about our hero forgetting his feelings for Sakura, or even doubt about them.

She didnt stopped chasing him.
Just look when she arrived on the battlefield, what comes to realization was her speech about holding hands and walking with him, while walking with him can mean "at his side" and holding hands can be anything like we are receiving now, at least it turned out until now something that inst related to a couple and mutual love.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 January 2013 - 06:51 PM.

[redragon88]

Remember how that note at the end of the chapter, about not letting of the hand? The more is see it the more I think it wasn't meant to be about Naruto and Hinata. It could've been a general gesture of not letting go of bonds.

The reason that makes me think that way is because the text appears next to panels of Naruto's empty hand. I think if it was meant to be about Naruto and Hinata it would've appear next to the panel of them actually holding hands. Furthermore, I actually think it would've been more appropriate if it had appeared inside the last panel with Naruto going kyuubi mode.

Of course this is just how I view it, I could be dead wrong. But in the case NS becomes canon I think this would be the proper way to see that text about not letting go of the hand.

[Sojobo]

She didnt stopped chasing him.

That's what I said.
She will after this war is over.

Just look when she arrived on the battlefield, what comes to realization was her speech about holding hands and walking with him, while walking with him can mean "at his side" and holding hands can be anything like we are receiving now, at least it turned out until now something that inst related to a couple and mutual love.

I agree.
For me, holding his hands and walking with him is just a way to show that she supports him like a friend in his battle.
Was watching the walking dead season 3 yesterday, when Rick and his family/friends have to visit the prison full of zombies, Rick says "we have to stay together, fighting and holding our hands together".

I really never saw something romantic in Naruto and Hinata holding their hands.
Someday, she has to stop chasing him, and that's when Naruto will have his own life, with the one he loves.

Edited by Sojobo, 09 January 2013 - 07:00 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Remember how that note at the end of the chapter, about not letting of the hand? The more is see it the more I think it wasn't meant to be about Naruto and Hinata. It could've been a general gesture of not letting go of bonds.

The reason that makes me think that way is because the text appears next to panels of Naruto's empty hand. I think if it was meant to be about Naruto and Hinata it would've appear next to the panel of them actually holding hands. Furthermore, I actually think it would've been more appropriate if it had appeared inside the last panel with Naruto going kyuubi mode.

Of course this is just how I view it, I could be dead wrong. But in the case NS becomes canon I think this would be the proper way to see that text about not letting go of the hand.

Actually, you got the right idea. The thing about Japan is that a lot of things that is considered romantic in other places is not really interpreted that way until something suggest it. A hug in Japan is considered one. If there's nothing that suggest being romantic, then well it's a hug, even though it will be odd but that's just me. Anyway, the hold handing is different from what you see in romance, especially when Naruto doesn't suggest otherwise. Hold handing can be anything. Now back to you, the never let go can be interpreted as never destroy any bonds. That is possible but first, we must see what's the follow up. The problem for NH is that their trump card of holding hands has been used too early in the game, so now the question is what is Naruto's response. Also Sakura hasn't made a move, especially if this current event suggests that everyone will get their words from 573 in play. In shipping war, the last action in the end has like 95% points and whoever take it win the arc.

[StriderC]

Re-opened...for now.

Things are obviously going to be a bit touchy for our pairing for the next couple manga chapters. You all can't keep self-imploding every day for the foreseeable future over it. We embarrass ourselves to others who come to see what our reactions are to the latest chapters. Show that we are all better than what is thought of us. So, far all we've done is play right into the impression of us being a fandom that can't even handle a little character development. Let's not further embarrass ourselves by continuing to fight with ourselves and others. We're supposed to be One Fandom, One Community, One Family. Let's act like it from now on ^^

THIS. I can understand worrying but we shouldn't lose faith. All you gotta do is look back in the manga at all of the development, and think. Sure, sometimes our initial reaction is quite telling. 615 anyone? LOL But don't let it drag you down and like I said, think.

NS hasn't had any time with one another really, and there hasn't been any clarification recently on their feelings. ^^

[Candleguy]

Something I posted on NF.

It started when I thought about doing a little poll

Poll:

Which situation made concerned you (even if a little) for whatever reason

1) Naruto doesn't believe Sakura's confession

2) Sakura and love fodde-nin

3) The last chapter.

As I was typing that question a thought occurred to me that seems to be fairly reasonable to me. If you look at these situations NaruSaku has focused drama from a narrative standpoint (and I'm not saying this is written well) between the two characters. I'm going to have to talk about other pairings here for a second because I think I need to do so to make my point. I'm not going to bash anyone, this is just how I see the manga flowing.

My opinion from a writer's perspective --Click here to view--

a) We know Naruto likes Sakura. Sakura confesses to Naruto and you can argue whether there's any sincerity behind it. Many would say no, but the situation is Sakura's romantic intentions are brought out into the open and Naruto reacts to it. (This had no bearing on the main plot whatsoever)

b) Arguably you can say the love fodder nin has Sakura questioning her feelings or at least feels bad the guy she like is now a bad guy.

c) Naruto believes Sakura is deeply in love with Sasuke. It has brought him pain because of it/ Naruto has claimed he cannot confess to Sakura w/o bringing Sasuke home.

These are conflict moments that either directly affects NaruSaku or affects Naruto romantically. If Sakura is still in love with Sasuke than her confession was false thus a negative affect on NS. If Sakura is questioning her feelings for Sasuke maybe there was some sincerity in her confession or at least a chance for her to change her mind for real, thus a positive effect on NS. This AGAIN has to do with romance, not tied to main plot, involves both characters, and there is a + or - affect on the pairing.

In terms of Sasuke, there's no romantic conflict there/a wavering of romantic intent, or anything to question his romantic intent. There is not a single panel in this manga that actively pushes conflict, questions, or personal drama of a undeniable romantic context which involve any feelings he may or may not have for Sakura.

Of course you can say certain scenes between them may or may not be angsty or cute. But there is nothing where it is confirmed that romantic feelings for Sasuke's side are even in any kind of flux. Any sort of conflict is on Sakura's side and many would argue there has been no conflict at all.

If Sasuke is in love with Sakura now as many argue he's always been in love with her, even if he was bad so it's a steady state. Either that or he sees the light once redeemed. Both instances the drama is simply a waiting game to this DATE for any kind of Sasuke romance to be tangible for both parties to suffer from it individually and or simply acknowledge something negatively or positively together.

As for Hinata, if the last chapter confirms NH (and it might) then Naruto just changed his mind, he transited from Sakura to Hinata without any real trouble or drama.

This is not personal drama between the the two characters, it's not mutual conflict of a romantic trial. Hinata confesses and Naruto's like yeah (after Sakura confesses and he doesn't believe her) It's not even something to debate it's black or white, he's either in love with her now/will be or not/won't. There's no scene to this date where Naruto or Hinata feel any conflict over their feelings.

Let me sum up my thoughts

Drama:

SS: Sasuke is a bad guy now (Sasuke being bad is required by the plot, Sakura's feelings to this point can be argued as irrelevant to the nature of this.)

NH: Naruto doesn't know Hinata loves him/he loves Sakura.

NS: Naruto loves Sakura/Sakura loves Sasuke >>>> Sakura thinks Naruto is sabotaging her with Sasuke by asking her out (she does out get how serious Naruto is) >>>>> Naruto comes to understand Sakura has deep feelings for Sasuke >>>> Naruto doesn't want to confess until he can bring Sasuke back so he backs off >>> Sai hints to Sakura that Naruto's feelings for her are serious >>> Sakura feels guiltily makes what most believe to be a false confession of romantic intent to Naruto >>> Naruto (because he understands Sakura's deep feelings) doesn't believe her/truly believes she loves Sasuke >>> Sakura at the very least has her first negative reaction ever to her feelings for Sasuke >>> Hinata pushes for Naruto's heart.

I mean come on from, I'm arguing from a writing standpoint. Where has kishi invested most of his romantic drama? Yes every pairing can claim one-sided angst but none can confess the manga bringing up both their romantic feelings to each other in points of melodrama.

Now I'm not saying anything is set in stone, and NS appears to be in rough shape. But I want to be a writer and I can't imagine investing that much into a romance subplot (consistent change in the relationship dynamic) for the sake of what exactly?

[Branden]

Re-opened...for now.

Things are obviously going to be a bit touchy for our pairing for the next couple manga chapters. You all can't keep self-imploding every day for the foreseeable future over it. We embarrass ourselves to others who come to see what our reactions are to the latest chapters. Show that we are all better than what is thought of us. So, far all we've done is play right into the impression of us being a fandom that can't even handle a little character development. Let's not further embarrass ourselves by continuing to fight with ourselves and others. We're supposed to be One Fandom, One Community, One Family. Let's act like it from now on ^^

My signature is actually an attempt to calm people down. It was really disheartening to see so many people doom-saying.

[Slextrem]

Well, since everyone seems to be talking in every thread but this one, I'll go ahead with a topic of conversation: Databooks!

This is old news, but Poison and myself were discussing this in a different thread. What does everyone think about the databooks? Are they still solid proof of NaruSaku or do they mean nothing now because of Sakura's Confession and 615?

If you don't know, I'm talking about these:

... --Click here to view--

This panel mentions that Sakura feels something for Naruto, but she's not sure what it is. Does everyone still feel that this holds true, or does Sakura's confession dismiss this?


There is also this panel:

... --Click here to view--

(Ignore the Kushina bit - I could only find this panel on a blog talking about the similarities between Kushina and Sakura. I'm referring to Naruto causing "her heart to beat faster", which is the text beside Sakura blushing.)


Also, there is another one that was released after Hinata's confession that confirms Naruto's feelings for Sakura. This is part of why I believe 615 is just a red herring, but tell me what you think:

... --Click here to view--

The arrow that points from Naruto to Sakura still says "suki", even after Hinata's confession.

(I couldn't find the translated copy of this panel. If anyone needs proof that Naruto's line to Sakura says "suki", compare it to Karin's line to Sasuke. We all know how she feels about Sasuke at this point in the series.)

Edited by Slextrem, 11 January 2013 - 02:03 AM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Well, at the very least I would treat the databooks as something below the manga: if something said in the databook is contradicted by the manga, then the manga "wins". For example, if Sakura states in the manga in the future that she has never been in love with Naruto, then she has never been in love with Naruto, no matter how much the databooks state that she does not know how she feels about him. Just like the manga trumps the anime fillers. Agreed?

Other than that I don't have much else to say to this discussion. I don't really know what the databooks are made for: are they just supposed to give some sort of overview of the work, are they just something slapped together to make a couple of extra dollars, how much is Kishi ultimately involved, does he honestly write the stuff for the books or just lets his name be used for the cover, how many hints can we actually expect from them, do they just recap what has happened and leave things open for other developments in the future without ruling anything out etc.

The arrow that points from Naruto to Sakura still says "suki", even after Hinata's confession.

You are probably right that it is supposed to mean romantic love. But "suki" just means like. You can suki beer or bananas just as well as you can suki some girl. Seriously, though, it probably means to say that Naruto still fancied Sakura at that point.

[PhenixElite]

Well, at the very least I would treat the databooks as something below the manga: if something said in the databook is contradicted by the manga, then the manga "wins". For example, if Sakura states in the manga in the future that she has never been in love with Naruto, then she has never been in love with Naruto, no matter how much the databooks state that she does not know how she feels about him. Just like the manga trumps the anime fillers. Agreed?

Other than that I don't have much else to say to this discussion. I don't really know what the databooks are made for: are they just supposed to give some sort of overview of the work, are they just something slapped together to make a couple of extra dollars, how much is Kishi ultimately involved, does he honestly write the stuff for the books or just lets his name be used for the cover, how many hints can we actually expect from them, do they just recap what has happened and leave things open for other developments in the future without ruling anything out etc.


You are probably right that it is supposed to mean romantic love. But "suki" just means like. You can suki beer or bananas just as well as you can suki some girl. Seriously, though, it probably means to say that Naruto still fancied Sakura at that point.

And if something like that happen like: on the manga sakura has no romantic feelings for naruto, but the databooks states that she has, then its again bad and inconsisten writing, since kishis the author of the databook.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

And if something like that happen like: on the manga sakura has no romantic feelings for naruto, but the databooks states that she has, then its again bad and inconsisten writing, since kishis the author of the databook.

Not really: once upon a time a databook teased that Sakura did not yet know whether to think Naruto as just a friend or something more, eventually she figured out that yeah, he was just a good friend to her. If the worst contradiction comes from extra material, it is going pretty good.

[T XD]

Not really: once upon a time a databook teased that Sakura did not yet know whether to think Naruto as just a friend or something more, eventually she figured out that yeah, he was just a good friend to her. If the worst contradiction comes from extra material, it is going pretty good.

Kishi is the author of the manga and who's the author of the data books ?... Yup, Kishi. Data books shows the status and thoughts of the characters that the author has make them and hints of what he is going to do to the manga for the future.

You're saying that the data book could be different than the manga, whereas it's not because, simply, it's the same author that is writing the both and the only who knows how the manga will go on.

The data book clearly show that Sakura has more than just friendship feelings for Naruto, the same the manga is showing her

Edited by T XD, 11 January 2013 - 05:41 PM.

[Nick Soapdish]

As I understand it, Kishi's assistants are the ones writing the databooks. I don't put much faith in them either way because I think that it's just a way for Kishi to try to tell the readers what he wants them to be be thinking, but it's not an omniscient narrator. They're more-or-less correct up until the point that they're written, but everything afterwards is in question.

I certainly don't mind when they back my opinions up, but I'm not sweating it if I disagree.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

As I understand it, Kishi's assistants are the ones writing the databooks. I don't put much faith in them either way because I think that it's just a way for Kishi to try to tell the readers what he wants them to be be thinking, but it's not an omniscient narrator. They're more-or-less correct up until the point that they're written, but everything afterwards is in question.

I certainly don't mind when they back my opinions up, but I'm not sweating it if I disagree.

Databooks only state what is written on the manga, they dont add anything else, that it's not shown on the manga.

[Quinny52]

Wow, Nick's out of hibernation. Hows it going, boss?! You missed the forum come close to self imploding.

But in keeping on topic, the Databooks are a good source of reference, but they're only correct up to the point in the manga when they were printed. If anything happens after that differs with the databooks, we should therefore stick with the more up to date info.

Like I say, good reference, but I wouldn't recommend refering to them like the gospel.

Edited by Quinny52, 11 January 2013 - 07:32 PM.

[Jake]

Databooks only state what is written on the manga, they dont add anything else, that it's not shown on the manga.

Weren't all the previous Jinchurikis and their bijus first reviled in the 3rd Databook?

[Quinny52]

@Jake - I don't think they were, I'm sure it was after. I think it was just before the end of the Invasion of Pain Arc. it was definitely after Killer B's debut as DB3 was out before then.

Edited by Quinny52, 11 January 2013 - 08:01 PM.

[sushi.]

Weren't all the previous Jinchurikis and their bijus first reviled in the 3rd Databook?

I think it was a volume cover, and Perriot made the six-tails filler arc of it..

[Derock]

Weren't all the previous Jinchurikis and their bijus first reviled in the 3rd Databook?

No. All of the Jinchurikis and their bijus were revealed in the current artbook, which is the ones containing all of the art from the end of part 1 to the end of the Pain arc (I believe that it stopped at the old Team 7 and Team Yahiko) and the Weekly Shonen Jump promotional artwork (i.e. Naruto in various costumes and the swim wear for Sakura and Naruto).