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[rocci]

I'm bored so I will say that I will never consider NS canon pairing if chapter 3 didn't happen.

[BlueStarSaber]

I'm bored so I will say that I will never consider NS canon pairing if chapter 3 didn't happen.

 

Wow you must really be bored to say that.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I'm bored so I will say that I will never consider NS canon pairing if chapter 3 didn't happen.

 

Really? It was the Heaven and Earth bridge for me, that was the moment I thought "She loves him, she just doesn't realize it yet". And I wasn't a shipper of anything then. But I started the series with Shippuuden and didn't see if from the beginning until later, and then I became a fan of the pairing, I actually had no idea NaruHina even existed until I discovered the fandom.

And SasuSaku was always just a vehicle for Sakura's development in my eyes.

 

 

BTW: Is my sig too big? I couldn't figure out how to make it smaller and I don't want to break any rules.

Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 17 September 2013 - 06:20 PM.

[Inferno180]

I have gotten really sad over how we got a wonderful chapter today and there are fans leaping on anything to just try and bring down Sakura, acting like its her fault that so many died despite Obito being the SOB who attacked and drained their life. There were people actually dissapointed Sakura is viturally unharmed and angrier over Shikamaru depsite that how he is still kicking and Sakura (with assistance from Ino, and maybe even Tsunade who is almost there) can try to save him. I mean I know people freaked out and somehow blamed Neji's death on her which made no sense but Shikamaru has a few lifelines, he can still be saved. Oh and yes we all know how extreme some fans went with the "panel placement means something pairing wise" routine again, I mean some people thought there was a positive SS moment from Sasuke remaining speechless and Sakura saying I can feel his heart (depiste the fact that "His heart" is referring to Naruto not Sasuke, and some people thought she was speaking about Sasuke. Yet there is also the near end panel of Hinata just saying Naruto's name, seriously to make a ruckus over that?  

 

I even just said on another site how it was possible that Naruto would possibly confess to Sakura to have no more regrets dying knowing he at least had the chance to confess to her. This has been done so many times in life or death all or nothing fate of the world situationslike this which has been common so many times in media, movies, cartoon series, videogames, etc, that when everything is on the line and there is no certainty that the heroes will make it out, usually some people just clear everything near the end before the fatal moment of victory or doom comes. Yet a few NH fans leapt on me saying this and I had a funny chat with em:

 

NH fan: "Lol thats stupid naruto would confess to Hinata you mean or rather Hinata will tell Naruto."

 

Me: Actually you got that second one wrong, why would Hinata confess?

 

NH fan: Because she deserves to confess, she loves Naruto.

 

My reaction:   You realize she already confessed right?

 

NH fan: The pain event didn't count, she confessed for true love in the hopes of saving him and was prepared to die. It will be better here cause they are together.

 

Me: But thats the same idea of Naruto confessing to Sakura before its too late, I mean Hinata confessed basically under the same conditions knowing she could die, you should even be aware of this.

 

NH fan: Yes I am aware of it, but Hinata should confess again and get a better answer from Naruto.

 

Me: So you are asking for Hinata to get another I love you moment when they are about to be pummeled and impaled inwards or drained of their energy by a giant tree this time?

 

NH fan: What? No what makes you think that?

 

Me: Well you are asking for a devistating confession, Hinatas other big events involved some major tramua or pain inflicted on another.

 

NH fan: No thats not true, in fact tell me why Naruto should confess to Sakura?

 

Me: Gee I wonder, maybe it had to do with the fact he had the whole premise of that promise, the ideal of reuniting team 7, least accomplishing that in an obvious situation like this as Hinata was facing when she went into pain. Naruto's confession to Sakura would be like Hinatas from pain in generally a same baseline but with bigger set up, reason and plot relevance.

 

NH fan: Wait plot relvance? What are you talking about NS has no plot relevance.

 

Me: Tell me you are kidding, please tell me, you realize which 2 loves have been more central to the story right? NS and even SS.

 

NH fan: no thats dumb, SS has more than NS though.

 

Me: Then please, I'm waiting to see how much they expand on Hinata's pain event, isn't it funny how its been over 200 chapters and still no big answer when it could have been resolved much sooner? There wasn't even much expanded or revealed on Naruto's side of the hand holding from Neji, only the regret of him dying and simply thanking Hinata for pulling him out of his trumatic view.

 

NH fan: 615, thats all I have to say, love is there and you are pissed off from it.

 

Me: Funny I remember the meltdown of 631, you still hate Minato? Naruto still likes the idea of Sakura as a girlfriend last I checked. Mind explaining when we actually see Naruto's feelings for Hinata?

 

NH fan: You just can't see it, you're a blind NS fan. Besides Minato doesn't know Naruto and Naruto is free to choose his own girl, he doesnt need to listen to Kushina. and NS is a kushina Kushina its been proven.

 

Me: But Minato would have no idea who the heck Hinata even is. Not to mention Sakura is the only girl compared to Kushina canonically so far. Even then Naruto showed he still liked the idea of Sakura being his girlfriend and Kushina's foreshadow was hinted for a while now, even then all NH fans pre631 were on board the whole kushina aspect or somehow linked Minato and Hinata when nothing exists, I mean there is at least a connection for what we can say. Besides Naruto was in the process or had accomplished what Kushina said. Sakura=Kushina is just another foreshadow element, and fyi yes Naruto is like Kushina AND Minato, they are his parents, Minato has blundered a bit in front of Tobirama this fight. He is got a child/goofy side like Naruto and Kushina. Its that Minato side of Naruto by all logic that could work with Sakura kushinaness. So whats so hard about this reason of Naruto possibly confessing to Sakura before the tree fires off? He could at least clear his feelings and let her know before its too late.

 

The NH fan then left the active posting room.

 

Anyways thats what I mean, we get a terrible end of all things situation, the world is now on a countdown to disaster literally, 15 mins of the world left, and people may say a few final things before its too late. Naruto saying this to Sakura is a possibly now or obviously in the final fight against Sasuke (before the immediate start of the fight I would guess). How hard is this to process? The plot has changed a lot from just last year and stuff still remains on the table and allowing for NS to develop. Yet some people think its just another long line of impossiblities. Hey we ship what we like, they can ship what they like, not our problem whatever comes canon, Im always going to ship NS. Least NS has the best potential.

[BlueStarSaber]

I have gotten really sad over how we got a wonderful chapter today and there are fans leaping on anything to just try and bring down Sakura, acting like its her fault that so many died despite Obito being the SOB who attacked and drained their life. There were people actually dissapointed Sakura is viturally unharmed and angrier over Shikamaru depsite that how he is still kicking and Sakura (with assistance from Ino, and maybe even Tsunade who is almost there) can try to save him. I mean I know people freaked out and somehow blamed Neji's death on her which made no sense but Shikamaru has a few lifelines, he can still be saved. Oh and yes we all know how extreme some fans went with the "panel placement means something pairing wise" routine again, I mean some people thought there was a positive SS moment from Sasuke remaining speechless and Sakura saying I can feel his heart (depiste the fact that "His heart" is referring to Naruto not Sasuke, and some people thought she was speaking about Sasuke. Yet there is also the near end panel of Hinata just saying Naruto's name, seriously to make a ruckus over that?  

 

I even just said on another site how it was possible that Naruto would possibly confess to Sakura to have no more regrets dying knowing he at least had the chance to confess to her. This has been done so many times in life or death all or nothing fate of the world situationslike this which has been common so many times in media, movies, cartoon series, videogames, etc, that when everything is on the line and there is no certainty that the heroes will make it out, usually some people just clear everything near the end before the fatal moment of victory or doom comes. Yet a few NH fans leapt on me saying this and I had a funny chat with em:

 

NH fan: "Lol thats stupid naruto would confess to Hinata you mean or rather Hinata will tell Naruto."

 

Me: Actually you got that second one wrong, why would Hinata confess?

 

NH fan: Because she deserves to confess, she loves Naruto.

 

My reaction:   You realize she already confessed right?

 

NH fan: The pain event didn't count, she confessed for true love in the hopes of saving him and was prepared to die. It will be better here cause they are together.

 

Me: But thats the same idea of Naruto confessing to Sakura before its too late, I mean Hinata confessed basically under the same conditions knowing she could die, you should even be aware of this.

 

NH fan: Yes I am aware of it, but Hinata should confess again and get a better answer from Naruto.

 

Me: So you are asking for Hinata to get another I love you moment when they are about to be pummeled and impaled inwards or drained of their energy by a giant tree this time?

 

NH fan: What? No what makes you think that?

 

Me: Well you are asking for a devistating confession, Hinatas other big events involved some major tramua or pain inflicted on another.

 

NH fan: No thats not true, in fact tell me why Naruto should confess to Sakura?

 

Me: Gee I wonder, maybe it had to do with the fact he had the whole premise of that promise, the ideal of reuniting team 7, least accomplishing that in an obvious situation like this as Hinata was facing when she went into pain. Naruto's confession to Sakura would be like Hinatas from pain in generally a same baseline but with bigger set up, reason and plot relevance.

 

NH fan: Wait plot relvance? What are you talking about NS has no plot relevance.

 

Me: Tell me you are kidding, please tell me, you realize which 2 loves have been more central to the story right? NS and even SS.

 

NH fan: no thats dumb, SS has more than NS though.

 

Me: Then please, I'm waiting to see how much they expand on Hinata's pain event, isn't it funny how its been over 200 chapters and still no big answer when it could have been resolved much sooner? There wasn't even much expanded or revealed on Naruto's side of the hand holding from Neji, only the regret of him dying and simply thanking Hinata for pulling him out of his trumatic view.

 

NH fan: 615, thats all I have to say, love is there and you are pissed off from it.

 

Me: Funny I remember the meltdown of 631, you still hate Minato? Naruto still likes the idea of Sakura as a girlfriend last I checked. Mind explaining when we actually see Naruto's feelings for Hinata?

 

NH fan: You just can't see it, you're a blind NS fan. Besides Minato doesn't know Naruto and Naruto is free to choose his own girl, he doesnt need to listen to Kushina. and NS is a kushina Kushina its been proven.

 

Me: But Minato would have no idea who the heck Hinata even is. Not to mention Sakura is the only girl compared to Kushina canonically so far. Even then Naruto showed he still liked the idea of Sakura being his girlfriend and Kushina's foreshadow was hinted for a while now, even then all NH fans pre631 were on board the whole kushina aspect or somehow linked Minato and Hinata when nothing exists, I mean there is at least a connection for what we can say. Besides Naruto was in the process or had accomplished what Kushina said. Sakura=Kushina is just another foreshadow element, and fyi yes Naruto is like Kushina AND Minato, they are his parents, Minato has blundered a bit in front of Tobirama this fight. He is got a child/goofy side like Naruto and Kushina. Its that Minato side of Naruto by all logic that could work with Sakura kushinaness. So whats so hard about this reason of Naruto possibly confessing to Sakura before the tree fires off? He could at least clear his feelings and let her know before its too late.

 

The NH fan then left the active posting room.

 

Anyways thats what I mean, we get a terrible end of all things situation, the world is now on a countdown to disaster literally, 15 mins of the world left, and people may say a few final things before its too late. Naruto saying this to Sakura is a possibly now or obviously in the final fight against Sasuke (before the immediate start of the fight I would guess). How hard is this to process? The plot has changed a lot from just last year and stuff still remains on the table and allowing for NS to develop. Yet some people think its just another long line of impossiblities. Hey we ship what we like, they can ship what they like, not our problem whatever comes canon, Im always going to ship NS. Least NS has the best potential.

 

Remind me to never debate against you I'd get creamed.

[deviouslyChaotic]

I'm bored so I will say that I will never consider NS canon pairing if chapter 3 didn't happen.

Well even if chapter 3 never happened, NS would've still gotten plenty of development and moments that will lead to them being canon. For example, chapter 3 is not the sole reason as to why there are certain moments between Naruto and Sakura. In other words, the reasons behind their moments do not all trace back to the bench scene and all of their moments did not occur because of the bench scene. Yes chapter 3 could be considered an important moment for NS, but it's not the only reason or deciding factor of whether the ship will be canon. Chapter 3 proved Naruto knew exactly how to compliment Sakura, it made him realize why he liked Sakura so much, and it could've helped fuel Sakura's feelings for Sasuke in a way as well as possibly amplify Naruto's feelings. However regardless of what the chapter proved, it was never brought up again. Important? Yes. Only reason they should be considered to become canon? In my opinion, no for even though the scene could've helped amplify Naruto's feelings, I believe even without that scene his feelings would still be strong for her and we would've still gotten all the wonderful NS moments.

[TouKen4Life3g]

For Sakura's fan:

I have written a LAP and wants to share it with you guys. Enjoy.

Ok, well if what I heard is true, I don't understand the problem about Sakura. In fact, this is a good thing for this chapter. I'll bet many would ignore this post, but feel free to do so, but if you're in need to understand her or just want to read for good support, then I thank you for your time.

Well, I don't know how is this Sakura's fault or anything bad around her. First of all, you should be happy that she's getting the screen time she's gotten and I know why, but let's go down the line. First of all, she got hurt from something, so she just got recovered from this. Here's the thing. Sakura just got Saving Private Ryan intro on. What I mean is that she got knocked, watch all of them getting killed left and right, then recover and the war continues. Simple as that. It's like getting hit a big blast and wake up realizing that one of your friend got killed/severely injured. You can't blame Sakura because of this. This is war and getting caught by the God Tree is like many going forward only to get shot by turrets. So now she got back up and wonder what's the current situation and heard Shikamaru got caught. Think as how Kakashi think everything is ok but then found out Obito got crushed by a boulder. So yes, Sakura can't be blamed. One moment that you can't resist the massive destruction.

Next, Sakura unable to help others. First of all, give her a break because at least she actually cares about everyone, which btw what a heroine truly is, not focusing on one or even yourself. At this point, you can see why Naruto and Sakura are the heroes, because they care about others. Does that mean others like Konoha 9 doesn't? Not really, but the reason why Kishi don't show that, whether true or not, is because that's not their place. They're side characters, not meant to have many dimensions to their characters. That's the main characters' job and if they don't have it, then the writer would need to write better in order to capture the audience attention. Also, the side characters, mainly K9, only get emotional when the classmates are the one to get axed, so that's the closest you get from them.So I really appreciate this chapter for showing Naruto and Sakura's agony because they're our heroes and stuff like this tells us this is their final mission. Not really because of Sasuke but in terms of terrorists' threats and all, this is it. But no, you want her to go all out asap when this chapter is about one final stand before everything becomes a waste.

So going back on not helping others, again, Katsuyu gave an reasonable explanation and again, Sakura was caught in the bad moment. When she recovered, everything was pretty much wiped out. While she can help one (Shikamaru), she wants to help all, because again, she's the heroine and that's what they do. But no, please kick ass. Look, I'm not saying she will or not, but calm down. This is a grief chapter, which by the way I called it again in the podcast that the next chapter is going to have talking and Naruto will end it with his ultimate determination. The funny thing is I even heard this talk and the guy even knows that medic equals very heroic, but again, since this is a Shounen, everyone must fight 24/7, but I digress. So yes, at least she cares about others, but unfortunately, Katsuyu minis are drained out, so to say, and pretty told her that they are in fact dead. Sakura was broken because they are dead and it's not that she couldn't save them because of her being weak, which is absurd. It's because a mass genocide just happened that happened to be done with a massive destruction that is the God Tree.

So now, we got some complaints about the emotional turmoil from her. Why is that a bad thing? She's going through what Naruto went and going through now. She cares about everyone, so of course she feels upset. Here's something you got to credit, at least she is worthy to be person in the Hokage's office for having that much care for her own people. She has grown up a lot but now, she's entering the hard process: losing thousands in a blink of an eye. That's why the RTN movie felt close to original characters because if people thinks Sakura only care about Konoha in that movie due to role switch, that's completely wrong. It's the fact that she really loves her home as much as Naruto. By the way, this is not a pairing argument, this is about Sakura, so don't go crying on me, I'm only going with the manga being told. This is why in that movie works really well because it will tell you that minus personality, her character would be the same. So needless to say, she is like Naruto in that sense.

That all being said of course she will feel pain. Naruto is, right? She felt the same back in Pain because her beloved home is gone at the time. That's why she got this kind of screen time and not so much on others because there's more to her and let's not forget one important aspect: she's made to be human. Heck, I like Naruto here because Sakura knows he's human, but not many others really don't get it. They have to look inside to understand that even though he's their savior, he's still human. This is why I like this chapter and sure, it's redundant for Naruto feeling this, but again, he's human and this is pretty much a setup for one final battle, in this war of course.

So should we be angry at Kishi for this chapter on Sakura? Of course not, but if you let the antis or even your own first impression, then you're missing the point. Who is to say Sakura is highly motivated after this chapter? Remember, in chapter 573, she don't want him to handle the burden alone anymore. Also, remember chapter 628, she was worried but after Naruto talked, she was very motivated to the point she said "Shannaro" which by the way means that she's very hyped. If you're a fan, you would know this already. The reason why she does so, without any pairing argument inserted here, is because she can relate to Naruto easily from experiences and characteristics. Why you think we got two panels of her reaction in 628? Anyway, the next chapter could very well lead to anything, but no doubt Sakura will get more focus after this chapter. Time will tell. Well I hope you have a good time reading this. It wasn't easy to be honest, because I held frustration on unnecessary, intentional or not, argument, so here it is, or at least partial of it. Anyway, don't get down. Next chapter, next volume, it should be a good one for her.

[deviouslyChaotic]

Wait, people are angry that Sakura was shown to be upset in the chapter? Honestly... if she shows emotion people get angry at her and call her weak. However if she didn't show emotion people would've called her an "uncaring kitten." This fandom sometimes...

[TouKen4Life3g]

Wait, people are angry that Sakura was shown to be upset in the chapter? Honestly... if she shows emotion people get angry at her and call her weak. However if she didn't show emotion people would've called her an "uncaring b*tch." This fandom sometimes...

According to many, that is the case or at least partial. Thank you for reading and the like. :)

[Psychox]

No. Romance is relevant to Hinata, but Hinata is not relevant to romance.

 

Unlike Sasuke, Hinata is not an obstacle for NS. A NH argument I've read say that because Hinata loves Naruto, her character would be ruined if NS happens. Because she loves him and her goal will not be achieved if she doesn't end up with him. But that is Hinata's personal problem.

 

Jesus... Are they referring to that false translation from 633? I'm 98% sure its because of that....

Naruto is the main character , the manga is about his journey and achieving his goals .....

Edited by Psychox, 17 September 2013 - 07:46 PM.

[deviouslyChaotic]

According to many, that is the case or at least partial. Thank you for reading and the like. :)

Anytime! It was a great post.

 

It's a shame that people are upset over that. Displaying human emotions in that kind of situation is only the natural thing to do to say the least. 

[BlueStarSaber]

For Sakura's fan:

I have written a LAP and wants to share it with you guys. Enjoy.

Ok, well if what I heard is true, I don't understand the problem about Sakura. In fact, this is a good thing for this chapter. I'll bet many would ignore this post, but feel free to do so, but if you're in need to understand her or just want to read for good support, then I thank you for your time.

Well, I don't know how is this Sakura's fault or anything bad around her. First of all, you should be happy that she's getting the screen time she's gotten and I know why, but let's go down the line. First of all, she got hurt from something, so she just got recovered from this. Here's the thing. Sakura just got Saving Private Ryan intro on. What I mean is that she got knocked, watch all of them getting killed left and right, then recover and the war continues. Simple as that. It's like getting hit a big blast and wake up realizing that one of your friend got killed/severely injured. You can't blame Sakura because of this. This is war and getting caught by the God Tree is like many going forward only to get shot by turrets. So now she got back up and wonder what's the current situation and heard Shikamaru got caught. Think as how Kakashi think everything is ok but then found out Obito got crushed by a boulder. So yes, Sakura can't be blamed. One moment that you can't resist the massive destruction.

Next, Sakura unable to help others. First of all, give her a break because at least she actually cares about everyone, which btw what a heroine truly is, not focusing on one or even yourself. At this point, you can see why Naruto and Sakura are the heroes, because they care about others. Does that mean others like Konoha 9 doesn't? Not really, but the reason why Kishi don't show that, whether true or not, is because that's not their place. They're side characters, not meant to have many dimensions to their characters. That's the main characters' job and if they don't have it, then the writer would need to write better in order to capture the audience attention. Also, the side characters, mainly K9, only get emotional when the classmates are the one to get axed, so that's the closest you get from them.So I really appreciate this chapter for showing Naruto and Sakura's agony because they're our heroes and stuff like this tells us this is their final mission. Not really because of Sasuke but in terms of terrorists' threats and all, this is it. But no, you want her to go all out asap when this chapter is about one final stand before everything becomes a waste.

So going back on not helping others, again, Katsuyu gave an reasonable explanation and again, Sakura was caught in the bad moment. When she recovered, everything was pretty much wiped out. While she can help one (Shikamaru), she wants to help all, because again, she's the heroine and that's what they do. But no, please kick ass. Look, I'm not saying she will or not, but calm down. This is a grief chapter, which by the way I called it again in the podcast that the next chapter is going to have talking and Naruto will end it with his ultimate determination. The funny thing is I even heard this talk and the guy even knows that medic equals very heroic, but again, since this is a Shounen, everyone must fight 24/7, but I digress. So yes, at least she cares about others, but unfortunately, Katsuyu minis are drained out, so to say, and pretty told her that they are in fact dead. Sakura was broken because they are dead and it's not that she couldn't save them because of her being weak, which is absurd. It's because a mass genocide just happened that happened to be done with a massive destruction that is the God Tree.

So now, we got some complaints about the emotional turmoil from her. Why is that a bad thing? She's going through what Naruto went and going through now. She cares about everyone, so of course she feels upset. Here's something you got to credit, at least she is worthy to be person in the Hokage's office for having that much care for her own people. She has grown up a lot but now, she's entering the hard process: losing thousands in a blink of an eye. That's why the RTN movie felt close to original characters because if people thinks Sakura only care about Konoha in that movie due to role switch, that's completely wrong. It's the fact that she really loves her home as much as Naruto. By the way, this is not a pairing argument, this is about Sakura, so don't go crying on me, I'm only going with the manga being told. This is why in that movie works really well because it will tell you that minus personality, her character would be the same. So needless to say, she is like Naruto in that sense.

That all being said of course she will feel pain. Naruto is, right? She felt the same back in Pain because her beloved home is gone at the time. That's why she got this kind of screen time and not so much on others because there's more to her and let's not forget one important aspect: she's made to be human. Heck, I like Naruto here because Sakura knows he's human, but not many others really don't get it. They have to look inside to understand that even though he's their savior, he's still human. This is why I like this chapter and sure, it's redundant for Naruto feeling this, but again, he's human and this is pretty much a setup for one final battle, in this war of course.

So should we be angry at Kishi for this chapter on Sakura? Of course not, but if you let the antis or even your own first impression, then you're missing the point. Who is to say Sakura is highly motivated after this chapter? Remember, in chapter 573, she don't want him to handle the burden alone anymore. Also, remember chapter 628, she was worried but after Naruto talked, she was very motivated to the point she said "Shannaro" which by the way means that she's very hyped. If you're a fan, you would know this already. The reason why she does so, without any pairing argument inserted here, is because she can relate to Naruto easily from experiences and characteristics. Why you think we got two panels of her reaction in 628? Anyway, the next chapter could very well lead to anything, but no doubt Sakura will get more focus after this chapter. Time will tell. Well I hope you have a good time reading this. It wasn't easy to be honest, because I held frustration on unnecessary, intentional or not, argument, so here it is, or at least partial of it. Anyway, don't get down. Next chapter, next volume, it should be a good one for her.

 

If only I didn't like so many post today, best post on the whole Sakura situation on chapter 647 all day.

[Psychox]

@Inferno , any reasonable  person who is observing the chat you have will tell you that its not worth debating after he wrote NS doesn't have relevance to the plot. .................

Hinata is irrelevant to the main plot and romantic sub plot , that only shows envy that Sakura is the main character and is part of team 7 and i said to a NH fan this 

-Hate Sakura all you want , it doesn't change the course of the story or Kishi’s intentions  nor she will be removed from team 7 , hinata and Sasuke wont get a free pass just because you want to  . It wont erase NS development nor your false believes and claims will influence something .

And he stopped talking.

Edited by Psychox, 17 September 2013 - 08:02 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Anytime! It was a great post.

 

It's a shame that people are upset over that. Displaying human emotions in that kind of situation is only the natural thing to do to say the least. 

I know. That's why I don't really like the hero/heroine if not presented the realistic features and show you have more care for anything else, not just the hero (for heroine). Actually, care what the hero cares, which in this case it's the people. That's what it takes to be a hero.

 

Thank you.

 

If only I didn't like so many post today, best post on the whole Sakura situation on chapter 647 all day.

There's a limit? And thank you for the comment.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

 

Really? It was the Heaven and Earth bridge for me, that was the moment I thought "She loves him, she just doesn't realize it yet". And I wasn't a shipper of anything then. But I started the series with Shippuuden and didn't see if from the beginning until later, and then I became a fan of the pairing, I actually had no idea NaruHina even existed until I discovered the fandom.

And SasuSaku was always just a vehicle for Sakura's development in my eyes.

 

 

BTW: Is my sig too big? I couldn't figure out how to make it smaller and I don't want to break any rules.

 

Your sig is fine.

 

 

There's a limit? And thank you for the comment.

 

Yes, there's a limit of likes for each day.  10, I think?  I've experienced the same thing.

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 17 September 2013 - 08:21 PM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

Your sig is fine.

 

 

Yes, there's a limit of likes for each day.  10, I think?  I've experienced the same thing.

 

Oh good, I was worried when I first saw it up that it would be too big.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

Your sig is fine.

 

 

Yes, there's a limit of likes for each day.  10, I think?  I've experienced the same thing.

Oh ok. Thanks for telling me.

[Nostradamus]

For space reasons

For Sakura's fan:

I have written a LAP and wants to share it with you guys. Enjoy.

Ok, well if what I heard is true, I don't understand the problem about Sakura. In fact, this is a good thing for this chapter. I'll bet many would ignore this post, but feel free to do so, but if you're in need to understand her or just want to read for good support, then I thank you for your time.

Well, I don't know how is this Sakura's fault or anything bad around her. First of all, you should be happy that she's getting the screen time she's gotten and I know why, but let's go down the line. First of all, she got hurt from something, so she just got recovered from this. Here's the thing. Sakura just got Saving Private Ryan intro on. What I mean is that she got knocked, watch all of them getting killed left and right, then recover and the war continues. Simple as that. It's like getting hit a big blast and wake up realizing that one of your friend got killed/severely injured. You can't blame Sakura because of this. This is war and getting caught by the God Tree is like many going forward only to get shot by turrets. So now she got back up and wonder what's the current situation and heard Shikamaru got caught. Think as how Kakashi think everything is ok but then found out Obito got crushed by a boulder. So yes, Sakura can't be blamed. One moment that you can't resist the massive destruction.

Next, Sakura unable to help others. First of all, give her a break because at least she actually cares about everyone, which btw what a heroine truly is, not focusing on one or even yourself. At this point, you can see why Naruto and Sakura are the heroes, because they care about others. Does that mean others like Konoha 9 doesn't? Not really, but the reason why Kishi don't show that, whether true or not, is because that's not their place. They're side characters, not meant to have many dimensions to their characters. That's the main characters' job and if they don't have it, then the writer would need to write better in order to capture the audience attention. Also, the side characters, mainly K9, only get emotional when the classmates are the one to get axed, so that's the closest you get from them.So I really appreciate this chapter for showing Naruto and Sakura's agony because they're our heroes and stuff like this tells us this is their final mission. Not really because of Sasuke but in terms of terrorists' threats and all, this is it. But no, you want her to go all out asap when this chapter is about one final stand before everything becomes a waste.

So going back on not helping others, again, Katsuyu gave an reasonable explanation and again, Sakura was caught in the bad moment. When she recovered, everything was pretty much wiped out. While she can help one (Shikamaru), she wants to help all, because again, she's the heroine and that's what they do. But no, please kick ass. Look, I'm not saying she will or not, but calm down. This is a grief chapter, which by the way I called it again in the podcast that the next chapter is going to have talking and Naruto will end it with his ultimate determination. The funny thing is I even heard this talk and the guy even knows that medic equals very heroic, but again, since this is a Shounen, everyone must fight 24/7, but I digress. So yes, at least she cares about others, but unfortunately, Katsuyu minis are drained out, so to say, and pretty told her that they are in fact dead. Sakura was broken because they are dead and it's not that she couldn't save them because of her being weak, which is absurd. It's because a mass genocide just happened that happened to be done with a massive destruction that is the God Tree.

So now, we got some complaints about the emotional turmoil from her. Why is that a bad thing? She's going through what Naruto went and going through now. She cares about everyone, so of course she feels upset. Here's something you got to credit, at least she is worthy to be person in the Hokage's office for having that much care for her own people. She has grown up a lot but now, she's entering the hard process: losing thousands in a blink of an eye. That's why the RTN movie felt close to original characters because if people thinks Sakura only care about Konoha in that movie due to role switch, that's completely wrong. It's the fact that she really loves her home as much as Naruto. By the way, this is not a pairing argument, this is about Sakura, so don't go crying on me, I'm only going with the manga being told. This is why in that movie works really well because it will tell you that minus personality, her character would be the same. So needless to say, she is like Naruto in that sense.

That all being said of course she will feel pain. Naruto is, right? She felt the same back in Pain because her beloved home is gone at the time. That's why she got this kind of screen time and not so much on others because there's more to her and let's not forget one important aspect: she's made to be human. Heck, I like Naruto here because Sakura knows he's human, but not many others really don't get it. They have to look inside to understand that even though he's their savior, he's still human. This is why I like this chapter and sure, it's redundant for Naruto feeling this, but again, he's human and this is pretty much a setup for one final battle, in this war of course.

So should we be angry at Kishi for this chapter on Sakura? Of course not, but if you let the antis or even your own first impression, then you're missing the point. Who is to say Sakura is highly motivated after this chapter? Remember, in chapter 573, she don't want him to handle the burden alone anymore. Also, remember chapter 628, she was worried but after Naruto talked, she was very motivated to the point she said "Shannaro" which by the way means that she's very hyped. If you're a fan, you would know this already. The reason why she does so, without any pairing argument inserted here, is because she can relate to Naruto easily from experiences and characteristics. Why you think we got two panels of her reaction in 628? Anyway, the next chapter could very well lead to anything, but no doubt Sakura will get more focus after this chapter. Time will tell. Well I hope you have a good time reading this. It wasn't easy to be honest, because I held frustration on unnecessary, intentional or not, argument, so here it is, or at least partial of it. Anyway, don't get down. Next chapter, next volume, it should be a good one for her.

You are correct sir. You get one internet from me.

Edited by Nostradamus, 17 September 2013 - 08:56 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You are correct sir. You get one internet from me.

Thank you. I really appreciated your comment.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

@NaruSaku4Life Your welcome.

 

I always found it strange about this MinaKushi and KushiKushi comparison.  Others have already said that Naruto has traits from both his parents, Sakura has traits from Kushina, and even so, they are their own characters, and that the whole thing was to link Sakura with Kushina.  The whole parallel gets so tangled up into a mess by the fandom, particularly NH fans who try to link Hinata with Kushina or Minato.  It's become so out of hand that there's talk that Naruto's Kushina traits and Sakura Kushina's traits are parallel so these two can't be together.  From the same NH side, fans attempt linking Naruto's Kushina traits to Hinata's Minato's traits (which are nonexistant).  They take the "find a girl like Kushina" aspect out of context to the point to make it "find a girl like Minato".  As a result, I'm left saying, Minato was a girl?  .  We all know what they mean, but still the way it's phrased. . .  it's things like this that show the ugly side of the fandom.

 

I know this topic has been done to death.  I just want to voice my last opinions, and get it off my chest before dropping the subject for good. 

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 17 September 2013 - 09:05 PM.