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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Of that, I know. It's about that "You say Hinata, Hinata, I say she's not Hinata!"

It was not about it, he got angry.
this was another interview that you described.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 January 2013 - 03:44 PM.

[Codus N]

HOLY CRAP I HAD ANOTHER BRAIN WAVEEEE

Kakashi is batman

Rin is rachel

And obito is twoface

HOLY CRAPPP

the similarities are so similar!!

Agree with whoever said we need a crossover of Nolanverse!Batman and Naruto .

Actually, every one of my Real Life friends who read the manga have said the same thing to me. It was Kishimoto's inclusion of Naruto's hand making Hinata feel "safe." Of course, the irony being that she won't end up safe at all.

Personally I hope Hinata doesn't die, and if I had to place a bet right now I would say she won't -- not only for the reason the quoted person mentioned (that her fans will never let it rest), and the reason you mentioned (that Neji's sacrifice probably bought her survival), but also because she is a kind-hearted and popular character. What purpose would it serve to kill her? It would be a better message, IMO, for her to live, accept Naruto's love of Sakura, and move on to a fulfilling life of her own.



The threads of this forum are stuffed with posts that say this very thing. It does indeed seem that he's using a narrative feint -- unless, of course, it's what he wants us to think........

Thanks for sharing.

Agree with the first part.

As for this being a narrative feint, or otherwise known as trolling, If this "supposed" NH "moment" is all just a misdirection, can we officially call Kishimoto the God of Trolling??

The way I see it:

Mashima: Prince of Trolling
Kubo: King of Trolling
Kishi: God of Trolling



Somebody seriously needs to do another version of that if Kishi indeed trolled us all .

[sushi.]

I used to watch some of sawyer's videos, until I saw he's biased. Then I left. Not before telling him that for a person who claims he's unbiased, he's biased as hell.

I'm just glad he admitted that the NS hug was romantic. Personally I prefer neutral reviewers who are not a fan of any pairing, because it's hard not to talk about their own romantic preferences. Like KingofLighting, I don't care if he hates Sakura, he's still my favourite! He took over forneverworld, I thought he was neutral. XD I'll still watch Sawyer though, until he doesn't entertain me anymore. Because unlike VJ, his videos are more than NH..(for the most part )

Edited by sushi., 07 January 2013 - 03:45 PM.

[T XD]

I agree with you guys that she is nothing like Rin, however, she was the one who encouraged Naruto and the way Naruto said to her that she has always been by his side Obito/Madara could interpret this in a certain way, even if we know that Sakura is the one he loves. In order to make the parallel with Sakura, Obito/Madara will have to know the fact that Sakura is the one Naruto knows, but they don't. See what I mean? Am I making any sense?
After all, Naruto will go somewhat beserk even though she's just a friend, we've seen him going beserk for his friends before.
What I'm saying is that I'm somewhat afraid of the fact that people will jump over to conclusions again, or it may mean something coming from Kishi's part.
Dunno what to say, to be honest, was just an idea going through my mind.

I thought of that idea before, but the thing is that I don't know how Kishi will pull it through if he wants to make it parallel in that way.

It was not about it, he got angry.
this was another interview that you described.

Yeah, but you can see that he isn't pleased with some fans who bashes Sakura.

Edited by T XD, 07 January 2013 - 03:48 PM.

[Chatte]

I'm just glad he admitted that the NS hug was romantic. Personally I prefer neutral reviewers who are not a fan of any pairing, because it's hard not to talk about their own romantic preferences. Like KingofLighting, I don't care if he hates Sakura, he's still my favourite! He took over forneverworld, I thought he was neutral. XD I'll still watch Sawyer though, until he doesn't entertain me anymore. Because unlike VJ, his videos are more than NH..(for the most part )

Yeah, saw that video when he admitted NS was romantic, as well, he said he though she was talking about Naruto in 539 although 540 showed her thinking about Sasuke.
But then, dunno which video I saw him being totally biased and I just stopped viewing him.
About KingofLighting, dunno, never watched some of his videos and I deal a bit difficult with Sakura haters,though.
But maybe I should give it a try.

It was not about it, he got angry.
this was another interview that you described.

Really? Than which is which, lol?
I got mixed here, haha.

I thought of that idea before, but the thing is that I don't know how Kishi will pull it through if he wants to make it parallel in that way.

Well, that's the thing. Naruto would suffer, as he would do it for any comrade. That it won't be out of love, true, however, you know the reactions...

Edited by Chatte, 07 January 2013 - 03:51 PM.

[sushi.]

Yeah, saw that video when he admitted NS was romantic, as well, he said he though she was talking about Naruto in 539 although 540 showed her thinking about Sasuke.
But then, dunno which video I saw him being totally biased and I just stopped viewing him.
About KingofLighting, dunno, never watched some of his videos and I deal a bit difficult with Sakura haters,though.
But maybe I should give it a try.

The thing about him is that he doesn't joke or bash Sakura in every video, but he has a 20min long video where he talks about her lack of development. The difference between our opinion is that he blames Sakura, and I blame Kishi for crappy writing. And his theories are excellent.

[Chatte]

The thing about him is that he doesn't joke or bash Sakura in every video, but he has a 20min long video where he talks about her lack of development. The difference between our opinion is that he blames Sakura, and I blame Kishi for crappy writing. And his theories are excellent.

Hmm, maybe I should give him a try... I agree on Sakura, but only 50%.
On an emotional/psychological level, I think Kishi does a great job with her, HOWEVER, when it comes to actual fighting, he does do some poor writing.
If he'd just added some action a la Sasori and kept it this way with her personality, things would be better, imo.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

About the narrative feint mentioned earlier, isn't this a little late for such a thing? I might give that theory more weight if this manga was somewhere around the middle of its lifetime. But it's nearing the end and Kishi has never really devoted a lot of time to the romance department. So the theory goes that now, after all this time and so near the end, Kishi is suddenly going to take a detour to NH, make it seem like it happens but actually demolish it, then destroy SS maybe in similar fashion and then make canon NS, the real, always intended pairing? I don't know, that sounds quite weird to me.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Hmm, maybe I should give him a try... I agree on Sakura, but only 50%.
On an emotional/psychological level, I think Kishi does a great job with her, HOWEVER, when it comes to actual fighting, he does do some poor writing.
If he'd just added some action a la Sasori and kept it this way with her personality, things would be better, imo.

I htink it's not poor writing the problem is that he made her with problems of self confidence and since she has a real problem with "i cant do nothing for Naruto" it would be weird if she kicks ass and still thinks that way.
She could not be the heroine again since that bridge scene.
And Naruto didnt know about this problems of her.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 January 2013 - 03:58 PM.

[Chatte]

I htink it's not poor writing the problem is that he made her with problems of self confidence and since she has a real problem with "i cant do nothing for Naruto" it would be weird if she kicks ass and still thinks that way.
She could not be the heroine again since that bridge scene.
And Naruto didnt know about this problems of her.

Well, look at how she kicked Zetsu's ass with no remorse, quickly after her depressed state thinking about Sasuke.
If anything, when Sakura is left alone, she kicks ass, but when Naruto or Sasuke are around, she has those confidence problems. Her feelings for Sasuke that she feels guilty about and her so-called incapacity to do more for Naruto.
But look, once again, at the Zetsu scene. If Kishi would've kept her this way, I am sure more people wouldn't hate her so much.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yeah, but you can see that he isn't pleased with some fans who bashes Sakura.

they asked why Hinata wasnt the main heroine of the series.
People cant be this retard.
then he got angry.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 January 2013 - 04:05 PM.

[T XD]

Really? Than which is which, lol?
I got mixed here, haha.


Well, that's the thing. Naruto would suffer, as he would do it for any comrade. That it won't be out of love, true, however, you know the reactions...

I remember Kishi had an interview and he responded somewhat like the one you mentioned it, so...

That's true but, me too, what i don't want to see are the reactions cause I'm imagining them and let's just say it's like the apocalypse on the internet

[Chatte]

I remember Kishi had an interview and he responded somewhat like the one you mentioned it, so...

That's true but, me too, what i don't want to see are the reactions cause I'm imagining them and let's just say it's like the apocalypse on the internet

It will be, lol.
The interview was that with Sakura's seyiuu talking about how Sakura, supposedly lied and used Naruto's feelings.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I remember Kishi had an interview and he responded somewhat like the one you mentioned it, so...

That's true but, me too, what i don't want to see are the reactions cause I'm imagining them and let's just say it's like the apocalypse on the internet

Well i want to see and post this

[T XD]

Well i want to see and post this

If you mean the interview, I don't have the link, sorry . I remember someone mentioned it on this thread and it was a loooong time ago.

Edited by T XD, 07 January 2013 - 04:25 PM.

[Don-kun]

Do you know the meaning ofr trolling right?
If this scene with Hinata ends with no romantic intentions from Naruto it's not trolling it will prove that it was just about hinata's development, trolling depends on the expectatives of who's reading, look at Sakura did she troll when it was shown that she still loved Sasuke?
I didnt see her "fall in love" with Naruto,if kishi pulls of Naruto would be ridiculous because NS would be forced, she has no reasons to fall in love with Naruto, i dont want to her fall in love with Naruto just because he's a good person it's a stupid reason. She has feelings for Naruto but she didnt fall in love with him so it's not trolling, Naruto still loves Sakura if he shows something different then it's trolling.
Some people just say that Hinata's development is NH until now we only get Hinata's development, Naruto didnt hold her hand with romantic intentions and you know of, even he thanked Neji too.

If he keeps this way it's just about the NH who's overreacting towards the scene.

One question, do you consider the RTN Advertisements and movie Trailer something normal or a big troll to the NH and SS pairing, did you honestly expect anyone to believe that the movie will have such a NS centric while the other two pairing would be humiliated is such way.
That is what I mean by too late in the game to keep doing this kind of stuff

I get what you mean and that's right, he doesn't have to do this but Kishi, like many other mangaka, choose this way in their writing. That's all I can say since he wants it that way. It's not blind faith cause it's something that happened in other manga as well. I don't like this way either, and I hope he stops this after this arc but there's no confirmation if he'll stop "narrative feint" or not.

I think Kishi should focus on trying to recover the quality of the Manga and stop making the pairing and the character look so bad, just look on the way he make Hinata ignore that her cousin just die when she finally got to hold Naruto's hand, look on the may he made her character look that one dimension in other words Naruto Satellite, also look on the way the pairing drama hurt Sakura character worst her confession and still seeing Sasuke has a romantic option after he tried to kill her three time and two of them in cold blood, that is what I mean by it being st*pid for him to keep focusing on a pairing he has no intention on making canon, give the character some development and stop making them look like if they have a want a man sickness.

And the reason I called it blind faith is because we all know that SS will only get one of two focus this late in the Manga that will define the pairing romantic development or the pairing friendship development to open way for Sakura true and genuine romantic feelings for Naruto, anything we get this late in the Manga pointing to Naruto or Sasuke will be the Author trying to tell the readers what his final intentions are.

Edited by Don-kun, 07 January 2013 - 04:26 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

One question, do you consider the RTN Advertisements and movie Trailer something normal or a big troll to the NH and SS pairing, did you honestly expect anyone to believe that the movie will have such a NS centric while the other two pairing would be humiliated is such way.
That is what I mean by too late in the game to keep doing this kind of stuff

Nope because those scene were actually in the movie and Hinata grabbing Naruto by his neck was too in the movie, the one shot had any NH moment, neither SS.
Sakura was liking Sasuke until she found out that he didnt loved her.
PEople got trolled when they was expecting to see a movie full of NH and SS when since the begining we knew that the main casters were Naruto and Sakura.
I wasnt expecting any Nh or SS moments neither NS for some reason.

I think Kishi should focus on trying to recover the quality of the Manga and stop making the pairing and the character look so bad, just look on the way he make Hinata ignore that her cousin just die when she finale got to touch Naruto's hand, just look on the may her character look that one dimension other words Naruto Satellite, just look on the way the pairing drama hurt Sakura character worst her confession and still seeing Sasuke has a romantic option after he tried to kill her three time and two of them in cold blood, that is what I mean by it being stupid for him to keep focusing on a pairing he has no intention on making canon, give the character some development and stop making them look like if the have a want a man sickness.

And the reason I called it blind faith is because we all know that SS will only get one of two focus this late in the Manga that will define the pairing romantic development or the pairing friendship development to open way for Sakura true and genuine romantic feelings for Naruto, anything we get this late in the Manga pointing to Naruto or Sasuke will be the Author trying to tell the readers what his final intentions are.

It's too early to say what pairing will be the arc didnt even ended yet.
There's a lot of fights.
If NS got a scene you will soon change your mind.

The problem like i said Sakura does not acknowledge herself as a good person i think she may thinks that she deserve a bad person like Sasuke.
She even puts herself down calling that Naruto is a fool for loving her.

Naruto has the chance to acknowledge Sakura as a woman, and this will make her love him leading to a great love story, and she shining as the main heroine of the series again and notice that this is not fanfic.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 January 2013 - 04:24 PM.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

I think Kishi should focus on trying to recover the quality of the Manga

IMO, Kishi did some really good writing with the latest chapter. The only thing I really missed was reaction from Neji's team, but maybe that is something we will still see later when the fight is over, so I don't want judge so soon. I am not very happy with the amount of characters coming back from the dead to have their one final fights and moments. Thank god that Kishi seems to be done with this storyline aside from corpse Madara. I'm much happier with this manga than I have been in a while. If Kishi keeps this up, I will enjoy it.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 07 January 2013 - 04:23 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

It will be, lol.
The interview was that with Sakura's seyiuu talking about how Sakura, supposedly lied and used Naruto's feelings.

He said that she was being honest but had a stubborn impression.
I think she didnt wanted to use Naruto's feelings she was ready to give herself to Naruto, i think Naruto knew about this and didnt wanted to be with Sakura on those terms.
This is a show of unconditional love, she does not love Naruto but she showed how far she can go for him even if she had to do this, she still not in love with Naruto but it's obvious that she's more happy with Naruto than Sasuke.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 07 January 2013 - 04:28 PM.

[Gravenimage]

About the narrative feint mentioned earlier, isn't this a little late for such a thing? I might give that theory more weight if this manga was somewhere around the middle of its lifetime. But it's nearing the end and Kishi has never really devoted a lot of time to the romance department. So the theory goes that now, after all this time and so near the end, Kishi is suddenly going to take a detour to NH, make it seem like it happens but actually demolish it, then destroy SS maybe in similar fashion and then make canon NS, the real, always intended pairing? I don't know, that sounds quite weird to me.

Why do you think it's weird for NS to happen if Kishi seems to be forcing NH and SS now almost at the end of the manga? I think its one of his skills as a mangaka for him to mislead his fans making them think it's going to be said pairing after they did something like physical contact (than hand holding for example) and them he makes something else different that is in favor of the pairing he has been developing since he started writing this manga. I do not disregard the 400+ chapters of NS development, the hints, the parallels etc he can make a panel showing like it has NH or SS indications but the development done between Naruto and Sakura is still there and it will remain there. Another of Kishi's skills is the art of trolling the fans especially with the shipping fans, how many times has he done this??? A lot. There's also the skill of giving fan service to those shipping fans just for the sake of keeping the pairing wars active and continue keeping the drama and the tension in the manga. The force NH and force SS he might be planning in the future can also be the move of" throwing a bone" to those fans, the fact that the manga might end this year could mean Kishi has thrown the final bone to NH fans and he's planning to throw the final one to SS fans as well before ending it with his pairing of choice.

For NH and SS to happen there must be "a lot" of development between both parties that will last "hundreds" of chapters to do. And I seriously doubt the manga is going to continue for another 400 chapters (like Oda with One Piece saying his manga might last until chapter 1000 or more lol). If Kishi hasn't started doing this development only to do it one sided then I believe he's not going to start now. He only needs these two pairings to create tension and drama in the story and also for opposite fan service to keep those shipping fans to continue reading his manga.

To sum it up.

For NH to be canon:

-Naruto must move on from his feelings for Sakura (this will never happen because he will never give up, that also includes his love for Sakura. And also because Kishi has shown it since chapter 3 and the fact that he STILL hasn't shown any indications that he has stopped loving Sakura and is now in love with Hinata and I see Naruto falling for her OC. This is why NH is a fan fiction pairing).

-He must fall in love with Hinata (if a confession, pep talk and hand holding didn't changed Naruto's mind to stop loving Sakura and fall for Hinata, then nothing will change his mind and he will forever remain loving Sakura. Also because of the above^).

For SS to happen:

-Sasuke must be redeemed (this is the end of the manga after the final battle between Naruto and Sasuke).

-Sasuke must fall in love with Sakura (since he has NEVER shown any romantic feelings for her, I doubt getting redeem will magically make him fall in love with her just like that and everything will be all right. It will be like nothing happened between them. No knocking her on a bench and trying to kill her several times).

Sakura must love Sasuke- (she only has some remnants of her feelings for him. And those remnants are base nothing on a silly child crush because she's aware now that the Sasuke she once knew was nothing but a fantasy. Even if she does embrace her feelings for him and willing to let him into her life, her strong feelings for Naruto will prevent her from making a big mistake).