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#8201 Chucky-kun

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 03:13 AM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Jan 6 2013, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't want to try and diminish the moment because I really feel it was a big NH moment, but to me the NH moment wasn't when they were holding hand because they never did hold hand it was more of Naruto holding her hand, there finger weren't embedded in a romantic way.

The romantic hint for me was when Hinata caress his cheeks.


To me did is a big deal when someone wants to depict a strictly romantic moment.

Kishimoto not only avoid this but he made it clear to the readers how Naruto was holding her hand plus the way Naruto never faced her while to thank her.



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Posted 07 January 2013 - 03:15 AM

QUOTE (Gamakushii @ Jan 6 2013, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sounds more like Pain. laugh.gif




Yeah, actually, I forgot that that I first thought Pein and Nolan!Bane could be interchangeable, not Tobito and Madara.


@Zac: Oh, I've always wanted to write a fanfic with the Naruto characters taking the places of Nolan's Dark Knight characters. Although, I'm stuck as to how Sakura can take the role of Rachel and Selina, considering Rachel dies.... Other than that, I would totally go ahead and write it.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 03:17 AM

QUOTE (shadow_Uzumaki @ Jan 7 2013, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, actually, I forgot that that I first thought Pein and Nolan!Bane could be interchangeable, not Tobito and Madara.


@Zac: Oh, I've always wanted to write a fanfic with the Naruto characters taking the places of Nolan's Dark Knight characters. Although, I'm stuck as to how Sakura can take the role of Rachel and Selina, considering Rachel dies.... Other than that, I would totally go ahead and write it.

HOLY CRAP I HAD ANOTHER BRAIN WAVEEEE

Kakashi is batman

Rin is rachel

And obito is twoface

HOLY CRAPPP

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 03:57 AM

QUOTE (Chucky-kun @ Jan 6 2013, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
HOLY CRAP I HAD ANOTHER BRAIN WAVEEEE

Kakashi is batman

Rin is rachel

And obito is twoface

HOLY CRAPPP



I'm....gonna take this somewhere else so I can avoid clogging up the thread
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 04:43 AM

I stumbled upon a post on Tumblr and thought I would share it~ This sums up what I believe is happening right now with all of the Hinata focus going on in the chapters.

"I’m not sure if I said this before, but I’ll say it anyway, Kishi is trying to fool the readers. He’s doing what I like to call a narrative feint. I’ve seen it before in other manga. The writer spends the majority of the story hinting at one main pairing. But at one point, usually during the second half of the story, the writer begins to add evidence that they’re instead going to pair the main character with another love interest instead. Sometimes even going as far as actually having them get involved romantically, which Kishi is not likely to do since that bit usually only happens in the romance genre, where the pairings are the main focus. In the end the author always hooks up the pairing which they had been most strongly foreshadowing throughout the entirety of the story. Almost always the main guy and main girl. In this case Naruto and Sakura.

Narrative feints are not restricted to romance. Kishi already did it with Tobi. He gradually hinted at Tobi being Obito. Suddenly he made everyone think that Tobi was really Madara, or someone other then Obito. And through it all he kept adding hints that pointed towards Tobi=Obito. And in the end that’s exactly what happened. He’s doing the same thing with his main pairing.

Usually, I find these feints to be very unsubtle ways of trying to add a twist to a story. That or the author just likes the troll their fans. Either way, people keep falling for them.

I’ve got to hand it to Kishi though. I wasn’t sure how it would happen, but he managed to make Hinata’s prediction in chapter 573 come true. But don’t forget, Sakura also had a prediction in that chapter. I notice in moments like in 573, mangas and anime usually give the person who is most important to the main character the last word. Sakura had the last word in 573. Meaning, now that Hinata has had her moment, Sakura’s moment is next and it will be more significant.

Hinata’s words on the last panel of 615 do worry me though. They could be taken as a hint that she is going to die. There are two reasons why I don’t want this to happen. First, I’ve always liked her character. I hope that someday she eventually does rise up to succeed her father. And second, if she dies, when NaruSaku happens then a bunch of NaruHina fans will simply claim that if Hinata hadn’t died then Naruto would have gotten together with her instead. And we will literally never hear the end of it.


And I’ll close this with what I have been saying the whole time, NaruSaku is inevitable. It is the most heavily and obviously hinted outcome in the manga. More so then anything else. Practically written in stone. It is simply too late for Kishi to pair Naruto with anyone else, without making it look like sloppy writing. And Kishi is is consistent with the outcomes of his foreshadowing. Don’t fall for the feint.

This guy wrote everything I’ve been thinking word for word out of my mouth.

Genius.
"

I'm not sure why he or she believes that Hinata's last words are an indication that she's going to die. I figure she's got a shield since Neji sacrificed himself... It's an interesting thought. Anyway, I was mainly posting this because it mentions a "narrative feint", which I believe is what's happening right now. Does anyone else feel like Kishi is just trolling?

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 05:00 AM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Jan 6 2013, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not sure why he or she believes that Hinata's last words are an indication that she's going to die. I figure she's got a shield since Neji sacrificed himself... It's an interesting thought.

Actually, every one of my Real Life friends who read the manga have said the same thing to me. It was Kishimoto's inclusion of Naruto's hand making Hinata feel "safe." Of course, the irony being that she won't end up safe at all.

Personally I hope Hinata doesn't die, and if I had to place a bet right now I would say she won't -- not only for the reason the quoted person mentioned (that her fans will never let it rest), and the reason you mentioned (that Neji's sacrifice probably bought her survival), but also because she is a kind-hearted and popular character. What purpose would it serve to kill her? It would be a better message, IMO, for her to live, accept Naruto's love of Sakura, and move on to a fulfilling life of her own.


QUOTE (Slextrem @ Jan 6 2013, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyway, I was mainly posting this because it mentions a "narrative feint", which I believe is what's happening right now. Does anyone else feel like Kishi is just trolling?

The threads of this forum are stuffed with posts that say this very thing. It does indeed seem that he's using a narrative feint -- unless, of course, it's what he wants us to think........ happy.gif

Thanks for sharing.




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Posted 07 January 2013 - 07:18 AM

My personal prediction for the current hinata focus is simple.
In his last interview, kishi stated that naruto and sasuke will meet again during the war.
Thats also the reason why i see hinata getting so much focus now. First of all it was her birthday XD, second i think kishi will keep the focus on hinata for the next few chapters, because i see this as the last chapters we are going to see her that often.

As soon as naruto and sasuke meet again during the war, the whole focus will be on team 7 again and i think it will also last till the end of the manga.

Since hinata has got such a huge fanbase, kishi just wanted to give her these moments.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:20 AM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Jan 6 2013, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I stumbled upon a post on Tumblr and thought I would share it~ This sums up what I believe is happening right now with all of the Hinata focus going on in the chapters.

"I’m not sure if I said this before, but I’ll say it anyway, Kishi is trying to fool the readers. He’s doing what I like to call a narrative feint. I’ve seen it before in other manga. The writer spends the majority of the story hinting at one main pairing. But at one point, usually during the second half of the story, the writer begins to add evidence that they’re instead going to pair the main character with another love interest instead. Sometimes even going as far as actually having them get involved romantically, which Kishi is not likely to do since that bit usually only happens in the romance genre, where the pairings are the main focus. In the end the author always hooks up the pairing which they had been most strongly foreshadowing throughout the entirety of the story. Almost always the main guy and main girl. In this case Naruto and Sakura.

Narrative feints are not restricted to romance. Kishi already did it with Tobi. He gradually hinted at Tobi being Obito. Suddenly he made everyone think that Tobi was really Madara, or someone other then Obito. And through it all he kept adding hints that pointed towards Tobi=Obito. And in the end that’s exactly what happened. He’s doing the same thing with his main pairing.

Usually, I find these feints to be very unsubtle ways of trying to add a twist to a story. That or the author just likes the troll their fans. Either way, people keep falling for them.

I’ve got to hand it to Kishi though. I wasn’t sure how it would happen, but he managed to make Hinata’s prediction in chapter 573 come true. But don’t forget, Sakura also had a prediction in that chapter. I notice in moments like in 573, mangas and anime usually give the person who is most important to the main character the last word. Sakura had the last word in 573. Meaning, now that Hinata has had her moment, Sakura’s moment is next and it will be more significant.

Hinata’s words on the last panel of 615 do worry me though. They could be taken as a hint that she is going to die. There are two reasons why I don’t want this to happen. First, I’ve always liked her character. I hope that someday she eventually does rise up to succeed her father. And second, if she dies, when NaruSaku happens then a bunch of NaruHina fans will simply claim that if Hinata hadn’t died then Naruto would have gotten together with her instead. And we will literally never hear the end of it.


And I’ll close this with what I have been saying the whole time, NaruSaku is inevitable. It is the most heavily and obviously hinted outcome in the manga. More so then anything else. Practically written in stone. It is simply too late for Kishi to pair Naruto with anyone else, without making it look like sloppy writing. And Kishi is is consistent with the outcomes of his foreshadowing. Don’t fall for the feint.

This guy wrote everything I’ve been thinking word for word out of my mouth.

Genius.
"

I'm not sure why he or she believes that Hinata's last words are an indication that she's going to die. I figure she's got a shield since Neji sacrificed himself... It's an interesting thought. Anyway, I was mainly posting this because it mentions a "narrative feint", which I believe is what's happening right now. Does anyone else feel like Kishi is just trolling?

Thanks for sharing. I could've sworn that I read that in NF. Anyway, it's nice to see it here. That said well this is what NS FC in NF are thinking right now. Like I said earlier, the fact that NH trump card was used this early in the game suggests that 1) ends NH in a good note or 2) actually develop NH, which will be considered by standard. However, we have Sakura in line. It's up to Kishi to decide to move her up and take the winning place. After all, it happened back in Pain Arc, only now, it's as if Hinata stepped up the game, regardless if Naruto doesn't find her as a lover.

About Hinata, well we either be right about Hinata being one of the bigger focus or we only exaggerated due to the fact it ended the year with that. I mean really, 614 was mainly Hyuuga/Neji, but mostly Neji. 615 was Hinata. It does feel similar to Pain Arc because Hinata always get like 2 chapters. One builds up and the next is her development. After that, well we don't really know, but her moment usually feels to herself. Why I think that way? Well, where's Naruto mentioning about Hinata after K6 happened? Back track to Chuunin Exam, no more mention of Hinata after the battle, which represents all the proud failures. It's as if it's always meant to be an exclusive development, but who knows. Right now, NH used their trump card, but the problem is that there's nothing left for her now. If that doesn't make Naruto to change feelings, then nothing will. One small confirmation of NS, not being canon but being there, can end NH. Supposedly it should have back in Pain Arc, but perhaps because Kishi got one arc that allows him to shine all characters, he will do it one more time.

Last thing to mention, I find it interesting that I revisited his old interview, the one with "I got the ending already." He said that he got the ending already, visual and all; however, the bigger task is how to get there. The interesting part is that he said that he felt like he has created too many info in the series, so he felt the need to go back and address them to close it. Hm, what if this whole K11 shining moment is part of this. Think about it. Neji got his final closure and it really goes back to Part 1. It does seem like the idea is about exposing their growth to Naruto, direct or indirect. Neji was considered a genius, but now here we are. Hinata was considered a failure, a proud one, but now she too will get back and try again, hence his nindo is hers as well. Hinata was the first one to say what she wants to do, so it seems like the roller coaster will begin at her, and now, it's still moving. We may get to see everyone thoughts and actions in demonstrations in upcoming chapters. If I am correct, well lucky shot on me, but it does seem plausible. One week everyone.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:13 AM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Jan 7 2013, 05:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I stumbled upon a post on Tumblr and thought I would share it~ This sums up what I believe is happening right now with all of the Hinata focus going on in the chapters.

"I’m not sure if I said this before, but I’ll say it anyway, Kishi is trying to fool the readers. He’s doing what I like to call a narrative feint. I’ve seen it before in other manga. The writer spends the majority of the story hinting at one main pairing. But at one point, usually during the second half of the story, the writer begins to add evidence that they’re instead going to pair the main character with another love interest instead. Sometimes even going as far as actually having them get involved romantically, which Kishi is not likely to do since that bit usually only happens in the romance genre, where the pairings are the main focus. In the end the author always hooks up the pairing which they had been most strongly foreshadowing throughout the entirety of the story. Almost always the main guy and main girl. In this case Naruto and Sakura.

Narrative feints are not restricted to romance. Kishi already did it with Tobi. He gradually hinted at Tobi being Obito. Suddenly he made everyone think that Tobi was really Madara, or someone other then Obito. And through it all he kept adding hints that pointed towards Tobi=Obito. And in the end that’s exactly what happened. He’s doing the same thing with his main pairing.

Usually, I find these feints to be very unsubtle ways of trying to add a twist to a story. That or the author just likes the troll their fans. Either way, people keep falling for them.

I’ve got to hand it to Kishi though. I wasn’t sure how it would happen, but he managed to make Hinata’s prediction in chapter 573 come true. But don’t forget, Sakura also had a prediction in that chapter. I notice in moments like in 573, mangas and anime usually give the person who is most important to the main character the last word. Sakura had the last word in 573. Meaning, now that Hinata has had her moment, Sakura’s moment is next and it will be more significant.

Hinata’s words on the last panel of 615 do worry me though. They could be taken as a hint that she is going to die. There are two reasons why I don’t want this to happen. First, I’ve always liked her character. I hope that someday she eventually does rise up to succeed her father. And second, if she dies, when NaruSaku happens then a bunch of NaruHina fans will simply claim that if Hinata hadn’t died then Naruto would have gotten together with her instead. And we will literally never hear the end of it.


And I’ll close this with what I have been saying the whole time, NaruSaku is inevitable. It is the most heavily and obviously hinted outcome in the manga. More so then anything else. Practically written in stone. It is simply too late for Kishi to pair Naruto with anyone else, without making it look like sloppy writing. And Kishi is is consistent with the outcomes of his foreshadowing. Don’t fall for the feint.

This guy wrote everything I’ve been thinking word for word out of my mouth.

Genius.
"

I'm not sure why he or she believes that Hinata's last words are an indication that she's going to die. I figure she's got a shield since Neji sacrificed himself... It's an interesting thought. Anyway, I was mainly posting this because it mentions a "narrative feint", which I believe is what's happening right now. Does anyone else feel like Kishi is just trolling?

I agree with this dude apart for the last part, I don't see any genius in that but that's mostly because I think this manga went down the drain a long tim, I still give Kishi the merits he deserves but I think he wasted a lot of potential. As for Hinata it may be possible but if that's the case she will be back thanks to Rinne Tensei, Hinata = fanservice and Kishi can't kill her definitively if he wants to maximize his profits.

I like the comparison with Obito's reveal I see it that way too problem is Obito's reveal was terrible, while the reveal fits the manga thematically (Obito is basically a Naruto who turned bad) the way it was handled left me a bitter taste, instead of making Obito a character with a solid background and showed his struggles and his fall in a compelling way all I show was a pathetic soul who couldn't get over the death his crush and decided instead to turn against reality because he couldn't accept the results of his own, I know that's not what we are supposed to get from Obito's character but that's not my job to fill in the blanks, Kishi had all the time for a reveal that he obvioulsy planned from at least the beginning of part 2.

That's why I have to ask people here : Would you guys like for NS to happen even if the writing is bad ? Are you satisified with the way NS has been handled so far even with the whole nonsensical love Sakura has for Sasuke just for the sake of plot and tension ?
I will just speak for myself but while I have no doubts NS will happen I simply don't see any value in it anymore, don't get me wrong I like their dynamic and their relationship overall I just feel the drama surrounding Sasuke has been pushed too far to make any sense of it, for me to support any outcome in a piece of fiction I need to see the message it conveys.
What are your expectations exactly ? or do you guys simply enjoy the ride for what it is ? Can someone tell me what you guys see in NS at this point that make you ship them so much ? What are the values and ideals you see in it ?
Maybe that's the wrong thread for that, feel free to tell me if that's the case.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:43 AM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Jan 6 2013, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I stumbled upon a post on Tumblr and thought I would share it~ This sums up what I believe is happening right now with all of the Hinata focus going on in the chapters.

"I’m not sure if I said this before, but I’ll say it anyway, Kishi is trying to fool the readers. He’s doing what I like to call a narrative feint. I’ve seen it before in other manga. The writer spends the majority of the story hinting at one main pairing. But at one point, usually during the second half of the story, the writer begins to add evidence that they’re instead going to pair the main character with another love interest instead. Sometimes even going as far as actually having them get involved romantically, which Kishi is not likely to do since that bit usually only happens in the romance genre, where the pairings are the main focus. In the end the author always hooks up the pairing which they had been most strongly foreshadowing throughout the entirety of the story. Almost always the main guy and main girl. In this case Naruto and Sakura.

Narrative feints are not restricted to romance. Kishi already did it with Tobi. He gradually hinted at Tobi being Obito. Suddenly he made everyone think that Tobi was really Madara, or someone other then Obito. And through it all he kept adding hints that pointed towards Tobi=Obito. And in the end that’s exactly what happened. He’s doing the same thing with his main pairing.

Usually, I find these feints to be very unsubtle ways of trying to add a twist to a story. That or the author just likes the troll their fans. Either way, people keep falling for them.

I’ve got to hand it to Kishi though. I wasn’t sure how it would happen, but he managed to make Hinata’s prediction in chapter 573 come true. But don’t forget, Sakura also had a prediction in that chapter. I notice in moments like in 573, mangas and anime usually give the person who is most important to the main character the last word. Sakura had the last word in 573. Meaning, now that Hinata has had her moment, Sakura’s moment is next and it will be more significant.

Hinata’s words on the last panel of 615 do worry me though. They could be taken as a hint that she is going to die. There are two reasons why I don’t want this to happen. First, I’ve always liked her character. I hope that someday she eventually does rise up to succeed her father. And second, if she dies, when NaruSaku happens then a bunch of NaruHina fans will simply claim that if Hinata hadn’t died then Naruto would have gotten together with her instead. And we will literally never hear the end of it.


And I’ll close this with what I have been saying the whole time, NaruSaku is inevitable. It is the most heavily and obviously hinted outcome in the manga. More so then anything else. Practically written in stone. It is simply too late for Kishi to pair Naruto with anyone else, without making it look like sloppy writing. And Kishi is is consistent with the outcomes of his foreshadowing. Don’t fall for the feint.

This guy wrote everything I’ve been thinking word for word out of my mouth.

Genius.
"

I'm not sure why he or she believes that Hinata's last words are an indication that she's going to die. I figure she's got a shield since Neji sacrificed himself... It's an interesting thought. Anyway, I was mainly posting this because it mentions a "narrative feint", which I believe is what's happening right now. Does anyone else feel like Kishi is just trolling?


You know this really makes sense. I have always seen it as a big trolling move from Kishi since it's not the first time he has done it and opposite fandoms always fell for it. Or as James said" one last time of fan service to opposite pairings and the sealing moment that will make his pairing of choice canon for good since the manga is almost coming to its end" But this theory really makes sense and that's what it seems to be the case. Because I always believe Tobi was Obito and Kishi made it too darn obvious with the hints, but then he pulls his trick and made us all believe he was really Madara, and it worked too once Naruto shatters his mask and" oh what do you know it really is Obito under there after all." I think this is exactly what Kishi is doing, he suddenly makes a character who doesn't contribute a single thing to the plot of the story and turns her into a character that "does" matter to the plot of the story just like that, and exactly when the story is almost crossing that finish line. Now he's planning to make his heroine and female protagonist shine next in upcoming chapters (and like I said he will make the biggest NS moment that will become the mother of all moments, probably won't seal the pairing to be canon but it will be the bridge that will make the pairing canon for good) Once this happens we will see there was nothing to worry about with all the freaking out and thinking NH is canon bs. As for NH fans, well at least they got the nice moment of Naruto holding her hand.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:57 AM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Jan 7 2013, 01:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I stumbled upon a post on Tumblr and thought I would share it~ This sums up what I believe is happening right now with all of the Hinata focus going on in the chapters.

"I’m not sure if I said this before, but I’ll say it anyway, Kishi is trying to fool the readers. He’s doing what I like to call a narrative feint. I’ve seen it before in other manga. The writer spends the majority of the story hinting at one main pairing. But at one point, usually during the second half of the story, the writer begins to add evidence that they’re instead going to pair the main character with another love interest instead. Sometimes even going as far as actually having them get involved romantically, which Kishi is not likely to do since that bit usually only happens in the romance genre, where the pairings are the main focus. In the end the author always hooks up the pairing which they had been most strongly foreshadowing throughout the entirety of the story. Almost always the main guy and main girl. In this case Naruto and Sakura.

Narrative feints are not restricted to romance. Kishi already did it with Tobi. He gradually hinted at Tobi being Obito. Suddenly he made everyone think that Tobi was really Madara, or someone other then Obito. And through it all he kept adding hints that pointed towards Tobi=Obito. And in the end that’s exactly what happened. He’s doing the same thing with his main pairing.

Usually, I find these feints to be very unsubtle ways of trying to add a twist to a story. That or the author just likes the troll their fans. Either way, people keep falling for them.

I’ve got to hand it to Kishi though. I wasn’t sure how it would happen, but he managed to make Hinata’s prediction in chapter 573 come true. But don’t forget, Sakura also had a prediction in that chapter. I notice in moments like in 573, mangas and anime usually give the person who is most important to the main character the last word. Sakura had the last word in 573. Meaning, now that Hinata has had her moment, Sakura’s moment is next and it will be more significant.

Hinata’s words on the last panel of 615 do worry me though. They could be taken as a hint that she is going to die. There are two reasons why I don’t want this to happen. First, I’ve always liked her character. I hope that someday she eventually does rise up to succeed her father. And second, if she dies, when NaruSaku happens then a bunch of NaruHina fans will simply claim that if Hinata hadn’t died then Naruto would have gotten together with her instead. And we will literally never hear the end of it.


And I’ll close this with what I have been saying the whole time, NaruSaku is inevitable. It is the most heavily and obviously hinted outcome in the manga. More so then anything else. Practically written in stone. It is simply too late for Kishi to pair Naruto with anyone else, without making it look like sloppy writing. And Kishi is is consistent with the outcomes of his foreshadowing. Don’t fall for the feint.

This guy wrote everything I’ve been thinking word for word out of my mouth.

Genius.
"

I'm not sure why he or she believes that Hinata's last words are an indication that she's going to die. I figure she's got a shield since Neji sacrificed himself... It's an interesting thought. Anyway, I was mainly posting this because it mentions a "narrative feint", which I believe is what's happening right now. Does anyone else feel like Kishi is just trolling?


I have to see the next chapters to confirm it.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:00 AM

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I have to see the next chapters to confirm it.

Even though its solid speculation, its still speculation, ofcourse we need to see the next chapter, as is with any types of speculation.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:03 AM

QUOTE (Weltall @ Jan 7 2013, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree with this dude apart for the last part, I don't see any genius in that but that's mostly because I think this manga went down the drain a long tim, I still give Kishi the merits he deserves but I think he wasted a lot of potential. As for Hinata it may be possible but if that's the case she will be back thanks to Rinne Tensei, Hinata = fanservice and Kishi can't kill her definitively if he wants to maximize his profits.

I like the comparison with Obito's reveal I see it that way too problem is Obito's reveal was terrible, while the reveal fits the manga thematically (Obito is basically a Naruto who turned bad) the way it was handled left me a bitter taste, instead of making Obito a character with a solid background and showed his struggles and his fall in a compelling way all I show was a pathetic soul who couldn't get over the death his crush and decided instead to turn against reality because he couldn't accept the results of his own, I know that's not what we are supposed to get from Obito's character but that's not my job to fill in the blanks, Kishi had all the time for a reveal that he obvioulsy planned from at least the beginning of part 2.

That's why I have to ask people here : Would you guys like for NS to happen even if the writing is bad ? Are you satisified with the way NS has been handled so far even with the whole nonsensical love Sakura has for Sasuke just for the sake of plot and tension ?
I will just speak for myself but while I have no doubts NS will happen I simply don't see any value in it anymore, don't get me wrong I like their dynamic and their relationship overall I just feel the drama surrounding Sasuke has been pushed too far to make any sense of it, for me to support any outcome in a piece of fiction I need to see the message it conveys.
What are your expectations exactly ? or do you guys simply enjoy the ride for what it is ? Can someone tell me what you guys see in NS at this point that make you ship them so much ? What are the values and ideals you see in it ?
Maybe that's the wrong thread for that, feel free to tell me if that's the case.

Honestly, i dont understand how people cant see any value anymore in NS. Just because sakura still loves sasuke and hasnt come to a full realization of her feelings till now? Ive never seen a problem for sakura still loving sasuke, i also think its good that sakura isnt fully aware of her feeling for naruto, because thats the factor tgat make the last fight between sasuke and naruto so exciting.

For me NS would loose value if naruto and sakura where already as good as together. Its just an awesome story to see a boy who loves a girl and gives everything for her despite The fact that shes in love with someone else. In the end of the story the girl realizes that this boy was always by her side instead of the other one and that he was the one who made her happy.

How can someone make a better love story then this? I think i will never undestand people who dont see any value in something like this.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:19 AM

mmh...Kishi used that called "narrative feint" not only on Tobi (who used supposing to be really Madara or at least his brother Izuna), on the true identity of Pain (do you remember it guys? At that time, a lots thinked that he was Yahiko who stoled nagato's eyes or even was Konan)...

Not to mention Itachi's story... He was supposed to be a bad guy for 400 chapters.... That sentence putted at first by Sasuke about Itachi ("That night.... he cried"), well.. it was foreshadowing.

Once I talked with a NS user and I said a sentence in my original lang and it fits perfectly Kishimoto and his kind of work, "He's so predictable in his own unpredictability"

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:53 AM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Jan 7 2013, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
mmh...Kishi used that called "narrative feint" not only on Tobi (who used supposing to be really Madara or at least his brother Izuna), on the true identity of Pain (do you remember it guys? At that time, a lots thinked that he was Yahiko who stoled nagato's eyes or even was Konan)...

Not to mention Itachi's story... He was supposed to be a bad guy for 400 chapters.... That sentence putted at first by Sasuke about Itachi ("That night.... he cried"), well.. it was foreshadowing.

Once I talked with a NS user and I said a sentence in my original lang and it fits perfectly Kishimoto and his kind of work, "He's so predictable in his own unpredictability"


I swear the same thing I said to someone else on another forum regarding NS and NH, lol.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 12:09 PM

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I swear the same thing I said to someone else on another forum regarding NS and NH, lol.


well, if he gave this impression then there must be a valid reason for it. tongue.gif

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 12:15 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Jan 7 2013, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
well, if he gave this impression then there must be a valid reason for it. tongue.gif

True! When one sees it, you tend to think it's nothing...but when many more do...it's definitely something!

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 01:59 PM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Jan 7 2013, 08:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I stumbled upon a post on Tumblr and thought I would share it~ This sums up what I believe is happening right now with all of the Hinata focus going on in the chapters.

"I’m not sure if I said this before, but I’ll say it anyway, Kishi is trying to fool the readers. He’s doing what I like to call a narrative feint. I’ve seen it before in other manga. The writer spends the majority of the story hinting at one main pairing. But at one point, usually during the second half of the story, the writer begins to add evidence that they’re instead going to pair the main character with another love interest instead. Sometimes even going as far as actually having them get involved romantically, which Kishi is not likely to do since that bit usually only happens in the romance genre, where the pairings are the main focus. In the end the author always hooks up the pairing which they had been most strongly foreshadowing throughout the entirety of the story. Almost always the main guy and main girl. In this case Naruto and Sakura.

Narrative feints are not restricted to romance. Kishi already did it with Tobi. He gradually hinted at Tobi being Obito. Suddenly he made everyone think that Tobi was really Madara, or someone other then Obito. And through it all he kept adding hints that pointed towards Tobi=Obito. And in the end that’s exactly what happened. He’s doing the same thing with his main pairing.

Usually, I find these feints to be very unsubtle ways of trying to add a twist to a story. That or the author just likes the troll their fans. Either way, people keep falling for them.

I’ve got to hand it to Kishi though. I wasn’t sure how it would happen, but he managed to make Hinata’s prediction in chapter 573 come true. But don’t forget, Sakura also had a prediction in that chapter. I notice in moments like in 573, mangas and anime usually give the person who is most important to the main character the last word. Sakura had the last word in 573. Meaning, now that Hinata has had her moment, Sakura’s moment is next and it will be more significant.

Hinata’s words on the last panel of 615 do worry me though. They could be taken as a hint that she is going to die. There are two reasons why I don’t want this to happen. First, I’ve always liked her character. I hope that someday she eventually does rise up to succeed her father. And second, if she dies, when NaruSaku happens then a bunch of NaruHina fans will simply claim that if Hinata hadn’t died then Naruto would have gotten together with her instead. And we will literally never hear the end of it.


And I’ll close this with what I have been saying the whole time, NaruSaku is inevitable. It is the most heavily and obviously hinted outcome in the manga. More so then anything else. Practically written in stone. It is simply too late for Kishi to pair Naruto with anyone else, without making it look like sloppy writing. And Kishi is is consistent with the outcomes of his foreshadowing. Don’t fall for the feint.

This guy wrote everything I’ve been thinking word for word out of my mouth.

Genius.
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I'm not sure why he or she believes that Hinata's last words are an indication that she's going to die. I figure she's got a shield since Neji sacrificed himself... It's an interesting thought. Anyway, I was mainly posting this because it mentions a "narrative feint", which I believe is what's happening right now. Does anyone else feel like Kishi is just trolling?

True. Kishi do make these "narrative feints" happen in the manga, and he will still make them and we're waiting for "SS moments" ahead. Which I repeat, everyone should expect more "NH moments" and "SS moments".

Though, the words from Hinata in ch.573 doesn't have to be that she will die. It has many meanings. For example, It could mean also that she'll go back to the back ground and won't be the character that she was before her development.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:13 PM

Guys, I wanted to ask you a thing... How true is that thing with Kishi receiving threatening letter of deaths if he won't make NH cannon? And if it's true, can it be found somewhere?
Thanks for your help in advance!

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:21 PM

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Guys, I wanted to ask you a thing... How true is that thing with Kishi receiving threatening letter of deaths if he won't make NH cannon? And if it's true, can it be found somewhere?
Thanks for your help in advance!

I think they're not true. I mean, come on, threatening someone to die for a pairing not happening ?... Don't think that true.
Well, if they were true, I don't think he will listen to them. Simple as that fu.png and maybe he did mention them in an interview or something. But, I don't think he'll care about it.

Edited by T XD, 07 January 2013 - 02:23 PM.





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