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[Kagomaru]

...It's getting harder to distinguish if you're just trolling, or just naive.

[Nostradamus]

...It's getting harder to distinguish if you're just trolling, or just naive.

Both.

[BlackShirtGuy]

 

The problem with the first one is it doesn't matter who the villain is, they are going to lose. It's just the nature of the beast. It doesn't matter who you write in to do the Eye of the Moon Plan, even if it was the most compotent villain ever...he's still somehow going to get defeated. It's the nature of the plot structure.

 

So yeah, writing wise, if you put in a villain exactly like DarkSeid? It might require more sacrifice, but narratively a  way would be introduced to defeat him.

 

This is why I find "This villain would win in this world or this hero would be stronger", either irrelevant and equivalent to saying who has the biggest sword, or missing the point of narrative structure. 

With that "Logic" , histories that are tragedies, such as Mac Beth wouldn't exist or be critically aclaimed you ignorant person.

Edited by BlackShirtGuy, 01 October 2017 - 06:15 AM.

[Illnevergiveup3]

 

The problem with the first one is it doesn't matter who the villain is, they are going to lose. It's just the nature of the beast. It doesn't matter who you write in to do the Eye of the Moon Plan, even if it was the most compotent villain ever...he's still somehow going to get defeated. It's the nature of the plot structure.

 

So yeah, writing wise, if you put in a villain exactly like DarkSeid? It might require more sacrifice, but narratively a  way would be introduced to defeat him.

 

This is why I find "This villain would win in this world or this hero would be stronger", either irrelevant and equivalent to saying who has the biggest sword, or missing the point of narrative structure. 

 

lol, nah. If a villain like Darkseid was in the Narutoverse, none of them would even get a chance to form a handseal before Darkseid backhand slaps Naruto and Sasuke and Omega Beams all of them to oblivion. They would all die and no amount of PIS or narrative structure would stop that.

Edited by Illnevergiveup3, 30 September 2017 - 07:14 PM.

[VanitasDS76491]

lol, nah. If a villain like Darkseid was in the Narutoverse, none of them would even get a chance to form a handseal before Darkseid backhand slaps Naruto and Sasuke and Omega Beams all of them to oblivion. They would all die and no amount of PIS or narrative structure would stop that.

Or send zod in and take and have faora beat down hinata. Or galactus or Thanos shows up and the same thing happens.

[Catra]

it was really unfair how sasuke got all the info dump about uzumaki's. the dude didn't even give a gnat of a damn about any of it. if you're giving info to a character and he doesnt care then why the hell should we??

 

i said this in another thread;

naruto should have been told more about his heritage and as much as i hate the reaper mask retcon, at least released the 4 hokages from their prison and learn more about them instead of centering the uchiha around them and making them look like failures. bring tsunade and konohamaru with him so they can say their final goodbyes too. (also kakashi's dead and should have died against pein)

[Kagomaru]

it was really unfair how sasuke got all the info dump about uzumaki's. the dude didn't even give a gnat of a damn about any of it. if you're giving info to a character and he doesnt care then why the hell should we??

 

i said this in another thread;

naruto should have been told more about his heritage and as much as i hate the reaper mask retcon, at least released the 4 hokages from their prison and learn more about them instead of centering the uchiha around them and making them look like failures. bring tsunade and konohamaru with him so they can say their final goodbyes too. (also kakashi's dead and should have died against pein)

I wish Naruto had a chance to speak with the other Hokages aside from his dad.  Heck, I don't even remember him having a conversation with Sarutobi, and that man is essentially a grandfather to him.  As you said, Kishimoto's insistence in centering everything around Sasuke and the Uchiha clan interferes with the flow and impact of the story.

[TheFirstEvil100]

I wish Naruto had a chance to speak with the other Hokages aside from his dad.  Heck, I don't even remember him having a conversation with Sarutobi, and that man is essentially a grandfather to him.  As you said, Kishimoto's insistence in centering everything around Sasuke and the Uchiha clan interferes with the flow and impact of the story.

I know I hate that as well but as you said this after Pain all became about Sasuke which is bad and I do mean bad. I just wish this never happened and Kishi used his head and not overuse the Uchiha, sadly he didn't cause he fell in love with them all and wanted to use them as much as he could.

[Yyubie]

So i heard Boruto got new power up!!! It's an eye power called JOUGAN(Moar Eye powaaa) and Teleportation (is it sunshin no jutsu like minato??). How many more "******gan" and eye power i wonder boruto gonna get , it's amazing how a kid gennin awaken this hokage-like power so early and so fast. And i also heard he awakens it himself so no one teaching him and he able to do it himself .... this kid is kittening genius!!!

[Kagomaru]

So i heard Boruto got new power up!!! It's an eye power called JOUGAN(Moar Eye powaaa) and Teleportation (is it sunshin no jutsu like minato??). How many more "******gan" and eye power i wonder boruto gonna get , it's amazing how a kid gennin awaken this hokage-like power so early and so fast. And i also heard he awakens it himself so no one teaching him and he able to do it himself .... this kid is kittening genius!!!

The more the series continues, the more it sounds SP is adapting someone's fanfiction.

[Bail o' Lies]

"One of the animators of Boruto: Naruto Next Generations posted a picture on his blog that shows Boruto cleaning his right eye. The caption of the picture reads "Jōgan" (浄眼, Literally meaning: Pure Eye) and in the accompanying text, the animator elaborated that Boruto's eye was neither a Byakugan nor a Tenseigan, but officially called "Jōgan". He also explained that the eye is related to the Ōtsutsuki clan's dimension and its powers is the dōjutsu equivalent of Naruto's ability to sense negative emotions. However, he then noted that all this information would be explained in detail in the future and fans should not think too much of it for now, as the author hadn't thought everything through himself."

 

Isn't this the eye they said was non canon? What did SP whine enough that Ikemoto and Kishi relented? The author hasn't thought of everything through yet!? Great another power creep eye again! Also it current ability is just Kurama's negative energy sensing thing...Then Naruto should have found those possessed on his own!

 

It is pretty much fanfiction at this point. What don't remember that one time I pointed out Bolt's future look; looks exactly like how a lot of Fanfic writers imagine a cooler Naruto would dress like?

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 01 October 2017 - 11:24 PM.

[VanitasDS76491]

"One of the animators of Boruto: Naruto Next Generations posted a picture on his blog that shows Boruto cleaning his right eye. The caption of the picture reads "Jōgan" (浄眼, Literally meaning: Pure Eye) and in the accompanying text, the animator elaborated that Boruto's eye was neither a Byakugan nor a Tenseigan, but officially called "Jōgan". He also explained that the eye is related to the Ōtsutsuki clan's dimension and its powers is the dōjutsu equivalent of Naruto's ability to sense negative emotions. However, he then noted that all this information would be explained in detail in the future and fans should not think too much of it for now, as the author hadn't thought everything through himself."
 
Isn't this the eye they said was non canon? What did SP whine enough that Ikemoto and Kishi relented? The author hasn't thought of everything through yet!? Great another power creep eye again! Also it current ability is just Kurama's negative energy sensing thing...Then Naruto should have found those possessed on his own!
 
It is pretty much fanfiction at this point. What don't remember that one time I pointed out Bolt's future look; looks exactly like how a lot of Fanfic writers imagine a cooler Naruto would dress like?

I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a third eye on his forehead and say it's hiei 's Jagan eye.

[Catra]

im telling ya out of all the jinchuuriki naruto got the worst power

 

ichibi = sand

nibi = fire

sanbi = coral

yonbi = lava

gobi = steam

rokubi = acid/bubbles

nanabi = flight/poison powder

hachibi = oil

kyuubi = heart

[Nostradamus]

im telling ya out of all the jinchuuriki naruto got the worst power

 

ichibi = sand

nibi = fire

sanbi = coral

yonbi = lava

gobi = steam

rokubi = acid/bubbles

nanabi = flight/poison powder

hachibi = oil

kyuubi = heart

Who remembers this:

?

 

Seriously that's what popped in mind when I read that.

Edited by Nostradamus, 02 October 2017 - 12:19 AM.

[Yyubie]

"One of the animators of Boruto: Naruto Next Generations posted a picture on his blog that shows Boruto cleaning his right eye. The caption of the picture reads "Jōgan" (浄眼, Literally meaning: Pure Eye) and in the accompanying text, the animator elaborated that Boruto's eye was neither a Byakugan nor a Tenseigan, but officially called "Jōgan". He also explained that the eye is related to the Ōtsutsuki clan's dimension and its powers is the dōjutsu equivalent of Naruto's ability to sense negative emotions. However, he then noted that all this information would be explained in detail in the future and fans should not think too much of it for now, as the author hadn't thought everything through himself."

 

Isn't this the eye they said was non canon? What did SP whine enough that Ikemoto and Kishi relented? The author hasn't thought of everything through yet!? Great another power creep eye again! Also it current ability is just Kurama's negative energy sensing thing...Then Naruto should have found those possessed on his own!

 

It is pretty much fanfiction at this point. What don't remember that one time I pointed out Bolt's future look; looks exactly like how a lot of Fanfic writers imagine a cooler Naruto would dress like?

And that's still looks different than what we see in boruto manga chapter 1 / boruto anime episode 1 when he confront that Kawaki guy , so AT LEAST boruto gonna get another eye power up like 2-3 more times.

[Bail o' Lies]

And that's still looks different than what we see in boruto manga chapter 1 / boruto anime episode 1 when he confront that Kawaki guy , so AT LEAST boruto gonna get another eye power up like 2-3 more times.

I think it was originally just a byakugan. The scar on the eye implies like Kakashi's it was a transplant. Then SP wanted something for their filler saw the opening of that chapter, and decided that it was Bolt's Natural power. Since the daughter has the byakugan as well; after Kishi forgot to give either them it at first. As for why it in only his right eye? That's what makes it special.

[Yyubie]

I think it was originally just a byakugan. The scar on the eye implies like Kakashi's it was a transplant. Then SP wanted something for their filler saw the opening of that chapter, and decided that it was Bolt's Natural power. Since the daughter has the byakugan as well; after Kishi forgot to give either them it at first. As for why it in only his right eye? That's what makes it special.

It's like there's no proper communication between the manga staff and the anime staff. They already know what the end gonna be but they still don't know how to go there , they draw adult boruto with all his cool looking tattoo and sword and power but they still don't know how to develop the kid boruto all the way to that adult boruto. I bet they still don't know or at least haven't decided yet who should be the identity of this Kawaki guy.

[Catra]

Who remembers this:

?

 

Seriously that's what popped in mind when I read that.

yup that was my reference =3

[VanitasDS76491]

yup that was my reference =3

I was going to make a captain planet joke but was too late. So he's mati from that show. Actually that would make sense about the talk no justu.

[Bail o' Lies]

It's like there's no proper communication between the manga staff and the anime staff. They already know what the end gonna be but they still don't know how to go there , they draw adult boruto with all his cool looking tattoo and sword and power but they still don't know how to develop the kid boruto all the way to that adult boruto. I bet they still don't know or at least haven't decided yet who should be the identity of this Kawaki guy.

Here the one overwhelming feeling I get from the Boruto manga: they are stalling. They have no clue about what they are doing or what to do with the manga.

 

Here how I see/imagine their relationship:

 

Kishimoto sees himself as the editor and doesn't want to write about Naruto anymore. So he wants the two clowns to create the story so he can approve it; with him maybe giving just a bit of advice to them.

 

Ikemoto sees himself as the artist so while he has a few ideas; he expect the two writers to be the ones that will come up with the story that he is suppose to illustrate.

 

...what the other clowns name? Kodachi. While he is suppose to be the writer. He only wrote a few Naruto light novels; so he hoped the two the have been working on Naruto for over 15 years could set up the story he would write the script for.

 

So we ultimately have three clowns that all think the other people should be the one that writes(/come up with) the story. So no one is writing the manga. At first. I imagine Kishimoto made it clear early on what he wants to do -just give anything a thumbs up-, Ikemoto then looked at the writer Koachi, and now Kodachi just making up the story as he goes along. Which why the manga gives off the feeling of a light novel instead of a manga. Also why we had the rehashing of the movie, then that stretch out story with Richie Rich that any other manga or anime would have done in a week, and now the akatsuki rip off. Granted he was not help by the fact the Bolt has no story, and Naruto didn't have story to pass on. Bolt's story was done by the end of his movie. Naruto's story of reforming the ninja system when he became hokage was dropped because justifying nH & Sasuke was more important. Now his son dreams to become the very thing he originally fought against; a tool of the corrupt ninja system.

 

To be honest, I don't think that bit in the first chapter had a solid story for it. It was just, "put a Sasuke-like character, and Bolt with tons of cool stuff in a imagine to draw interest; then write a story about what led to it."

 

The problem is the anime decided to take the eye and make a story about it. At first the clowns rejected it because they weren't interested in what the anime did with it(, and hoped to do something cooler.) Then the anime staff probably got angry, because they put it in the first arc of anime. So to them it should be canon and if it is not. It makes them look like fools. Now the clowns have relented, it is now canon, and they are now pulling powers out of their asses for it.

 

So the true writer of Boruto is; who is ever writing the anime's light novels.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 02 October 2017 - 02:48 AM.