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[ramenanmitsu]

They were aware that the limbos are there, they went to save Sakura, it's show by Sasuke's panel and Naruto telling Sakura to wait. 

No, they weren't. After Naruto rescued Sakura he told Sasuke, "there were several of them". And Naruto telling Sakura to wait does not prove that they knew there were several limos there.

Madara got new powers and they werent supposed from a battle perspective to attack first, because you dont attack an opponent that you dont know what kind of new abilities he has on his sleeve now, the best plan was to wait and counter-attack.

You talk as if your plan is going to work. So what if Madara attacks and kills them while they are waiting? You can't prove to me that YOUR plan is going to work since it's only assumptions. If you are going to provide me with assumptions, I can very well provide you my assumptions in return of how it's not going to work.

They could've both reacted as soon as Sakura tells them that she will create a diversion, but both of them reacted after she got stabbed.

Team dysfunctional at it's finest.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 03 June 2014 - 10:53 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

No, they weren't. After Naruto rescued Sakura he told Sasuke, "there were several of them". And Naruto telling Sakura to wait does not prove that they knew there were several limos there.

Sasuke has the rinnegan and Naruto can sense them, he sensed and saw the limbo earlier how he wasnt unaware of that since they already knew Madara has limbo.
It doesnt matter if it's 4 or just 1, they knew Madara has limbo and charging Madara is not a good idea since the last plan was to separate Madara from the limbo's and it almost worked if Madara didnt took the sharingan from Kakashi and teleported.
 

You talk as if your plan is going to work. So what if Madara attacks and kills them while they are waiting? You can't prove to me that YOUR plan is going to work since it's only assumptions. If you are going to provide me with assumptions, I can very well provide you my assumptions in return of how it's not going to work.

The problem with her plan is that she lacked a crucial info that Naruto and Sasuke didnt shared with her the fact Madara has a limbo.
Charging straight towards Madara would not work because he has limbo on which would block their attack and Madara who now had his other rinnegan was stronger than he was before so his abilities were improved from his previous form.
The fact about "Standby and counterattack" was what Gai did when he steamrolled Madara, before he opened the final gate, he opened the previous one to check Madara's powerlevel.

It's an assumption obviously but there are facts that support that Sakura's plan would not work because she lacked crucial informations to formulate a proper plan.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 June 2014 - 10:59 PM.

[Nostradamus]

Team dysfunctional at it's finest.

Exactly.

[TouKen4Life3g]

If only Sasuke got hit on the head, then he will bow down to Lee.

 

So, chapter is almost here.

[rikakim94]

Yeah, it's worse that they are functioning so poorly. Bet their teamwork would be better with him over Sasuke.

Unfortunately, he's not a main character so no cheap freebies.

 

I agree the team would function property with sai around sasuke just makes team 7 worse.

[ramenanmitsu]

Sasuke has the rinnegan and Naruto can sense them, he sensed and saw the limbo earlier how he wasnt unaware of that since they already knew Madara has limbo.It doesnt matter if it's 4 or just 1, they knew Madara has limbo and charging Madara is not a good idea since the last plan was to separate Madara from the limbo's and it almost worked if Madara didnt took the sharingan from Kakashi and teleported. 

As I said, Naruto and Sasuke mentioned about them AFTER Sakura was rescued. I'm talking about 'several' limbos not one. And it does matter whether he has one limbo or four limbos of course. With one limbo, it's easier to get to the real Madara by distracting the limbo, but with four, it's nearly impossible.

The problem with her plan is that she lacked a crucial info that Naruto and Sasuke didnt shared with her the fact Madara has a limbo.Charging straight towards Madara would not work because he has limbo on which would block their attack and Madara who now had his other rinnegan was stronger than he was before so his abilities were improved from his previous form.The fact about "Standby and counterattack" was what Gai did when he steamrolled Madara, before he opened the final gate, he opened the previous one to check Madara's powerlevel.It's an assumption obviously but there are facts that support that Sakura's plan would not work because she lacked crucial informations to formulate a proper plan.

Your above statement doesn't prove that another plan would have worked.

And you're also assuming that the conclusion with Gai and team seven would have been the same without taking into consideration how different the situation is at both times.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 03 June 2014 - 11:18 PM.

[FireFox]

 
Like where?
He indeed hasnt lost a fight because Orochimaru was just testing his strenght and he didnt failed the exam.

Incorrect his first fight against Lee he lost against Oro as you say testing or not it was a fight he lost , against Garra he lost , against Itachi he lost Itachi's illness in the end saved him and the fact that he wasn't going for the kill , against Raikage he lost Garra saved him , Mei he lost , Onoiki he lost Obito saved him , also against Bee he lost if Karin and Jugo didn't saved him he would have been dead actually he lost the whole fight by Bee escaping just so he can have a vacation a field trip  the rest of his fights were he did "win" were asspulled but that's not the point . 

 

They could've both reacted as soon as Sakura tells them that she will create a diversion, but both of them reacted after she got stabbed.

Its not the fact whether they reacted on time or not the plan was good the limbo shield screw  Sakura's tactic the teamwork was screwed when Sasuke chose to still go after Madara and slice through her (debatable or not whether he would have cut trough her  even if he wasn't going to slice her the limbo shield would have repelled that attack toward Sakura like it did with her attack) despite they being in danger Sasuke's focus was only on Madara and going for the kill not the team's safety and that's why their "teamwork" failed .

 

If you ask me they were never a proper team to even begin with they just don't fit and Kishi seems to driving this point home its funny how Sasuke is more comfortable and functions better  with Taka his own team then T7 the team he never wanted to be a part of it .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 03 June 2014 - 11:40 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

As I said, Naruto and Sasuke mentioned about them AFTER Sakura was rescued. I'm talking about 'several' limbos not one. And it does matter whether he has one limbo or four limbos of course. With one limbo, it's easier to get to the real Madara by distracting the limbo, but with four, it's nearly impossible.

Which is the point of it.
Having several or at least one, it already implies that Sakura would not been able to keep Madara busy since he had a limbo and Madara wasnt busy with Sakura, also aside from the limbo, there was black zetsu there.
http://i18.mangaread...uto-4954867.jpg
Naruto parried a limbo and took Sakura so his focus was to rescue her, Sasuke was just going to attack.
http://i21.mangaread...uto-4954871.jpg
 

Your above statement doesn't prove that another plan would have worked.

Yep, but the manga proves that information is crucial for a plan to be successfull, Kakuzu/Hidan vs Shikamaru on which his plans failed because his opponent Kakuzu was smart and always had something on his sleeve to twarth his plans so he plans to split Hidan from Kakuzu and is successfull since he knows about Hidan and his behavior.

Naruto vs Pain on which Jiraiya's information and Tsunade's were crucial on telling him on every pain behaved and the fact their shared vision.
 

And you're also assuming that the conclusion with Gai and team seven would have been the same without taking into consideration how different the situation is at both times.

No i'm not assuming, i'm saying only that information is important and that lacked on Sakura, she wasnt the proper person to create a plan since she had no information about Madara nad his powers aside from the fact he has a rinnegan on which she literally ignored it's powers and ended up losing her surprising factor since Madara didnt knew that she could heal herself like Tsunade as shown here.

http://i1.mangareade...uto-4954869.jpg

She could as an example used her seal and this healing power as a surprise factor to land a punch on Madara instead of wasting it to use herself as a meat shield.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 June 2014 - 11:48 PM.

[Nostradamus]

@Firefox  I agree they never had a real moment that would be considered teamwork. The closest we ever got to teamwork, was when all three of them used their summonings at the same time in chapter 633. And you could easily call that fanservice.

[Gravenimage]

Can't wait for the new chapter.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Can't wait for the new chapter.

Me too, Naruto + No game No Life episode 9.

[redrose3443]

I always found it annoying how the main team never functioned as a team. In part one, Sakura never fought with the boys and in part two they weren't even a team. It was always Naruto and Sasuke or Naruto and Sakura, never T7.

 

This is their last chance at real teamwork, but the only way for that to happen is if Sakura got a power up.

[Otaru]

Can't wait for the new chapter.

Hey me too ! I hope there is plenty of Hinata in it !!!!

[FireFox]

@Firefox  I agree they never had a real moment that would be considered teamwork. The closest we ever got to teamwork, was when all three of them used their summonings at the same time in chapter 633. And you could easily call that fanservice.

 Yeah i'm not even sure if even that i can call it a teamwork between them fanservice at its best as you say since after that its just Naruto and Sasuke but hey at least they were in sync with pulling their summonings LOL .

 

Also Kishi has been pushing the idea that T7 is no more since the kage summit this is were Naruto's and Sakura's goal of bringing T7 "back" changed i think Naruto realized that he can't force Sasuke to come back because its not what he wanted but rather save him from himself  this is were Sakura's line of "I hope for a happy ending for everyone in T7" comes in its not about T7 being together anymore but for every member to find happiness which will happen when Sasuke will acknowledge them as T7 his "bond" with them since he doesn't see himself as ever being a part of it but that's it , Taka is here for a reason and this is were Sasuke belongs after all its a team he originally created he's more close with them then he ever was with anyone from T7 except Naruto .

 

The moral of the story things change deal with it LOL .

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's funny how metaphorically speaking that only Naruto and Sakura managed to take the bells from Kakashi, thus completing the test. That said you know, how would the test be if there were three members. It's like a metaphor speaking that it only takes 2 and really other is something you can fill in with anything. I don't know, again, just me thinking deep. It's just scream, "you're good with just two," and I'm not saying this because it's NS. Just thought of it.

[FireFox]

It's funny how metaphorically speaking that only Naruto and Sakura managed to take the bells from Kakashi, thus completing the test. That said you know, how would the test be if there were three members. It's like a metaphor speaking that it only takes 2 and really other is something you can fill in with anything. I don't know, again, just me thinking deep. It's just scream, "you're good with just two," and I'm not saying this because it's NS. Just thought of it.

Funny i never actually thought of it like that but now that you have mentioned it it does make sense with how Kishi made Sasuke to be the third wheel in T7  XD .

[TouKen4Life3g]

Funny i never actually thought of it like that but now that you have mentioned it it does make sense with how Kishi made Sasuke to be the third wheel in T7  XD .

It's true. I mean what was supposed to happen if you really have to get the bells yet one left behind. It's neat to know Naruto and Sakura are the winners. Hehe, Heaven and Earth.

 

Anyway, next chapter is drawing near.

[Gravenimage]

Otaru@ your sarcasm level is over 9000!

[Nostradamus]

 Yeah i'm not even sure if even that i can call it a teamwork between them fanservice at its best as you say since after that its just Naruto and Sasuke but hey at least they were in sync with pulling their summonings LOL .

 

Also Kishi has been pushing the idea that T7 is no more since the kage summit this is were Naruto's and Sakura's goal of bringing T7 "back" changed i think Naruto realized that he can't force Sasuke to come back because its not what he wanted but rather save him from himself  this is were Sakura's line of "I hope for a happy ending for everyone in T7" comes in its not about T7 being together anymore but for every member to find happiness which will happen when Sasuke will acknowledge them as T7 his "bond" with them since he doesn't see himself as ever being a part of it but that's it , Taka is here for a reason and this is were Sasuke belongs after all its a team he originally created he's more close with them then he ever was with anyone from T7 except Naruto .

 

The moral of the story things change deal with it LOL .

Yeah but Naruto cannot deal with change. He still wants his pet back.

To be honest I've always believed Sasuke will die in the end and I hope he does. However if he doesn't he should just go with team taka and travel the world together. Maybe he could take Hinata with him.

Edited by Nostradamus, 04 June 2014 - 12:51 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yeah but Naruto cannot deal with change. He still wants his pet back.

To be honest I've believed Sasuke will die in the end and I hope he does. However if he doesn't he should just go with team taka and travel the world together.

I think the latter is the favorable one to go for. I don't want him to come back with open arms and so many break characters. I don't mind him dying but fans will cry. So the balance answer is the latter. I will be ok with it. Seems the direction since the team was made.