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[咲耶姫]

Wut? there will another break!? Again!? only after two chapters!?

Kishimoto's father just passed away. So it's understandable. 

[FireFox]

SS prediction: On the way, Sakura, while she's curing Naruto, will notice her dying Sasuke-kun on the ground. So she has an epiphany and tells to Gaara "Sorry but I cannot leave Sasuke-kun die alone. Can you think to Naruto, isn't? *falls to the ground*
 

NH prediction: Hinata just remembers the Naruto's motto that has accompanied her for long time, "Never give up!". With the full strength of her will, though with almost without chakra, she gets up and quickly reaches Gaara and Sakura. She tells Sakura that she can go to Sasuke's place 'cause she sees her more worried for him that for Naruto while she will think to put Naruto's heart back itself.

 

 

They hope so, more or less...

LOL WTF They made Sakura a super sensor like Karin and Naruto and they give Hinata FTG feats inspired by the power of their true lub for them   i know i should be laughing at this but i can't i really really just can't , the logic that this people use just for the sake of their paring happening is devastating , its so sad to see that they would spit and piss on any kind of literature just for the sake of a paring , i really wonder why do they even ship their parings at this point if they are prepared to stoop themselves this low , this is just sad its not even funny anymore , DEAR GOD .      

[Ausakura]

Pairings away, guys. Please, someone explains to me how Minato (being an Edo Tensei) passing the Dark Half to Naruto is plausible. 

This makes no sense at all. 

 

It's a sealed part of chakra/soul that is in a dead body possessed by an spirit that it's not even his own.

Yes, that one isn't the body of Minato, that's a Zetsu/Zetsu's Body.

What Edo Tensei do is create a link with an dead person chakra/soul and reproduce it in a random body (living or not). 

It's NOT the original body where the Dark Half were sealed in, it's not the real source, so it CANNOT happen.

 

Let's see the other bijuus that entered in direct contact with Naruto. They were IN Naruto?

What the story portrayed is that the encounter with the beasts strengthened Naruto's will to fight. But just the moral, not the spirit. And that just hapenned because they were in their manifested form. And of course, because of the Chakra Stake (that created the chakra chain, what bounded them in the inside) that made the conection.

Any of the beasts have passed any Chakra to Naruto? NO! Because IT'S NOT POSSIBLE!!! It's not simple like that... You need hand seals, you need a ritual, you need a living spirit to be sealed in a living body... And of course, a living person to do all the process.

 

"But the beasts were in the control of the Gedo Mazou"...

And the Edo Kages are in the control of Orochimaru. They cannot just initiate a party without asking for his permition.

 

Minato could syncronize his chakra to Naruto's because they both had halfs of one complete being, Kurama. But now one chakra is missing, so now Minato cannot conect to Naruto anymore. If Minato tries to transfer Dark Half from him to other person, his Edo Tensei would be incomplete and probably would be undone.   You can teach or give a jutsu as Hashirama did with Sasuke, but GIVE away a whole spirit? Again... Dark Half could just give the Bright Half chakra because they are one entity. Dark half didn't give Naruto chakra, it replenished Kurama's.

 

I believe that Gaara is going away from the battlefield for simple retreating. It's the correct thing to do, after all Naruto isn't in a good condition to be in a rowdy environment now. He have to retreat, be safe and have time to restore himself. Minato and the others are still in battle. If Gaara is bringing Naruto to Minato, I don't see any reason more than just to say goodbye. This is a dramatic event, I don't believe that the solution will come so soon or so easily and I refuse to accept Minato transfering Dark Half to Naruto as a option. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

We don't know the answer. The only thing we are happy is how it's setuping to be, you know, pairing. Aside from SK, which to me, didn't expect it, NS seems on the horizon on bigger things. That said yeah, we don't know, so I'll wait.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

[b/Pairings away, guys. Please, someone explains to me how Minato (being an Edo Tensei) passing the Dark Half to Naruto is plausible. 
This makes no sense at all.  [/b]

On the same way Orochimaru got his arms back.
The question is how sealing another bijuu again on Naruto would save him?

[Kster95]

Pairings away, guys. Please, someone explains to me how Minato (being an Edo Tensei) passing the Dark Half to Naruto is plausible. 

This makes no sense at all. 

 

Dont worry its not going to happen, its clear that Gaara is taking Naruto away from everyone somewhere else. Had he been taking him to Minato, he wouldn't have wasted time picking up a healer. 

[sushi.]

 

Dont worry its not going to happen, its clear that Gaara is taking Naruto away from everyone somewhere else. Had he been taking him to Minato, he wouldn't have wasted time picking up a healer. 

I wonder if Gaara'll take him to a random location, shielded from harm, or if someone else is a part of the plan. If the latter, it'll be Minato. Giving him the second half alone won't save him though, so they need a medic as well.

[Chatte]

Given that Minato sealed half of the Kurama with him, it's like when Minato came back, Kurama came back with him as well, that's how it's gonna be possible for the other half to work on Naruto so Minato will be able to seal it into Naruto.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well we know Kuruma's plan isn't revealed yet, so it's not done yet. I do wonder if Gaara or even Kuruma is trolling by requesting a medic. Like "I only filled that in to get Naruto be with Sakura. Hell, he didn't kiss a girl, so she is already close and this will do." Actually, scratch that, that's Kuruma's plan. He just gamble that Gaara don't pick Tsunade.

[LuckyChi7]

Given that Minato sealed half of the Kurama with him, it's like when Minato came back, Kurama came back with him as well, that's how it's gonna be possible for the other half to work on Naruto so Minato will be able to seal it into Naruto.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the dark kurama stronger then the Kurama that was sealed within Naruto? 

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the dark kurama stronger then the Kurama that was sealed within Naruto? 

Don't remember hearing that. I just know that the burden for Naruto to handle long ago was removed before it began and deal with the other hatred side of Kuruma. Complete edition would come out easily and go all out.

[Chatte]

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the dark kurama stronger then the Kurama that was sealed within Naruto? 

I don't think it's stronger. I think it's as strong given it's literally half of the entire kurama.

[James S Cassidy]

Pairings away, guys. Please, someone explains to me how Minato (being an Edo Tensei) passing the Dark Half to Naruto is plausible. 

This makes no sense at all. 

I am stopping you right there because we have had several moments in this manga that happened that "made no sense."/

This includes:
- The Great Snake Escape with Sasuke surviving an explosion at ground zero in fractions of milliseconds
- Sasuke using lightning techniques on earth based attacks.
- Madara retaining a youthfull body AND abilities that didn't belong to him after was brought back to life
- His ability to be able to use Susanoo despite not having eye period (even when he personally said that you need both eyes to use it.)
- Karin still in love with Sasuke despite all he has done to her
- About Orochimaru being able to pull the 4 Hokage out of the Death God's belly and Sasuke knowing that Orochimaru knew about this ability

Plus several other things.
There are plenty of moments in this manga that do not make sense and yet are true to fact anyway. So are you really surprised if this happens?

[Ausakura]

On the same way Orochimaru got his arms back.
The question is how sealing another bijuu again on Naruto would save him?

Right? Besides, it's like voltage. Would Naruto sustain Dark Half? As the name say, it's just an half of Kurama (who was inside him), but would be ok in the state he is now? I see Shikamaru went fine when Tsunade replenished his chakra, but it was *his* chakra. Kishimoto can pull something on it that can explain, but... If it's possible, it still doesn't feel right. It wasn't the Dark Half who were forced out. It was the bright half. What kills a Jinchuuriki is the proccess of extraction because it wears out the human body and spirit. Sealing other being in Naruto maybe wouldn't make him better. Probably Dark Half would exhaust itself passing it's chakra to Naruto for him get better... And in this way, Dark Half would be unable to do anything for a good time. What is good for now is Naruto stand up and face his problems all alone, with his own power.

And this would just concretize Yamato's foreshadow.

 

As for Orochimaru arms, he appeared later from other body than his own (Extracted from Sasuke's body), so I think it explains... Little vague, but it's alright. Better than this Minato passing dark half thing.

 

 

Given that Minato sealed half of the Kurama with him, it's like when Minato came back, Kurama came back with him as well, that's how it's gonna be possible for the other half to work on Naruto so Minato will be able to seal it into Naruto.

Noooo!!

How would Minato do the seals if he is with one arm less?

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't be the beast sealer die after the seal? Or better, do Minato know any other method that don't kills him afterwards? How edo tensei do it? It's unfair! There is a limit to it!

Again, Edo Tensei just reproduce the soul and mind of a dead person in an alleatory body. Dark Half appeared because it was sealed inside Minato and died with him. But the source of the seal is in Minato's dead body.

[Hiraishin]

Pairings away, guys. Please, someone explains to me how Minato (being an Edo Tensei) passing the Dark Half to Naruto is plausible. 
This makes no sense at all. 
 
It's a sealed part of chakra/soul that is in a dead body possessed by an spirit that it's not even his own.
Yes, that one isn't the body of Minato, that's a Zetsu/Zetsu's Body.
What Edo Tensei do is create a link with an dead person chakra/soul and reproduce it in a random body (living or not). 
It's NOT the original body where the Dark Half were sealed in, it's not the real source, so it CANNOT happen.
 
Let's see the other bijuus that entered in direct contact with Naruto. They were IN Naruto?
What the story portrayed is that the encounter with the beasts strengthened Naruto's will to fight. But just the moral, not the spirit. And that just hapenned because they were in their manifested form. And of course, because of the Chakra Stake (that created the chakra chain, what bounded them in the inside) that made the conection.
Any of the beasts have passed any Chakra to Naruto? NO! Because IT'S NOT POSSIBLE!!! It's not simple like that... You need hand seals, you need a ritual, you need a living spirit to be sealed in a living body... And of course, a living person to do all the process.
 
"But the beasts were in the control of the Gedo Mazou"...
And the Edo Kages are in the control of Orochimaru. They cannot just initiate a party without asking for his permition.
 
Minato could syncronize his chakra to Naruto's because they both had halfs of one complete being, Kurama. But now one chakra is missing, so now Minato cannot conect to Naruto anymore. If Minato tries to transfer Dark Half from him to other person, his Edo Tensei would be incomplete and probably would be undone.   You can teach or give a jutsu as Hashirama did with Sasuke, but GIVE away a whole spirit? Again... Dark Half could just give the Bright Half chakra because they are one entity. Dark half didn't give Naruto chakra, it replenished Kurama's.
 
I believe that Gaara is going away from the battlefield for simple retreating. It's the correct thing to do, after all Naruto isn't in a good condition to be in a rowdy environment now. He have to retreat, be safe and have time to restore himself. Minato and the others are still in battle. If Gaara is bringing Naruto to Minato, I don't see any reason more than just to say goodbye. This is a dramatic event, I don't believe that the solution will come so soon or so easily and I refuse to accept Minato transfering Dark Half to Naruto as a option. 

Yeah, this post is what I've been thinking as well. But, there are things in this manga that don't make sense, Kishi breaks his own rules all the time. So I guess, don't be surprised if that happens lmao.

[Ausakura]

I am stopping you right there because we have had several moments in this manga that happened that "made no sense."/

This includes:
- The Great Snake Escape with Sasuke surviving an explosion at ground zero in fractions of milliseconds
- Sasuke using lightning techniques on earth based attacks.
- Madara retaining a youthfull body AND abilities that didn't belong to him after was brought back to life
- His ability to be able to use Susanoo despite not having eye period (even when he personally said that you need both eyes to use it.)
- Karin still in love with Sasuke despite all he has done to her
- About Orochimaru being able to pull the 4 Hokage out of the Death God's belly and Sasuke knowing that Orochimaru knew about this ability

Plus several other things.
There are plenty of moments in this manga that do not make sense and yet are true to fact anyway. So are you really surprised if this happens?

I'll try to answer all.

 

- He's a Ninja. 

- Maybe Pokémon logic doesn't apply when the techniques are well handled.

- Well, he was incarnated in a youthfull body that had those powers. He was a dead man, in a powerful, special corpse. The Rinne Tensei revives a recent dead person nearby. It just joined the points. There was this body with Madara right there and it served it right. The Edo Tensei also revives people in their life's peak, so this explains why he have been revived with a young look.

- I don't know, maybe Sasuke being born talented helped it. Wasn't he the proud of the young generation back in the days?

- Karin is just masochist, it isn't out of her character. 

- I don't see anything wrong with this one. It was just sudden.

 

Surprised I wouldn't be, because there's a LOT of people expeculating about this. But I think that this would be just... Off... Imature.

[Atheck]

Regardless of whether or not it's consistent with what Yamato mentioned almost 400 chapters ago, Naruto is bound to receive the Yin half of Kurama. If it isn't with the intention to rescue his life then Minato will transfer it as a gesture of paternal love for having lost all of those years of familial interaction with his son. The other 50% of Kurama was removed from the shinigami to ultimately provide to Naruto a much needed power boost. His training has been closely interlocked with Kurama's power ever since the Chunin Exams. Receiving Yin Kurama is just the culmination of all those efforts put into perfecting his strength as a jinchuuriki. 

 

It would be ideal to see how Naruto could do on his own, but realistically he stands absolutely no chance in the condition that he's in. He would need a lot of training to be able to compensate for the losses. Training which can't be done at the moment since he's in the middle of a war zone against the most dangerous man on the planet. 

[James S Cassidy]

Okay, so you pretty much hand waved about half of these with little to no explanation other than "that's the way the manga works." More or less. If that is the case, then transferring the tailed beast from one to the other regardless should be applied under this as well. "That's the way the manga works." That is of course if they go through with it.

 

I'll try to answer all.

 

- He's a Ninja. 

 

....really? Did I mention that he was out of chakra and managed to use two taxing chakra moves such as the Sharingan and a Summoning as well as Space-time manipulation?
 

- Maybe Pokémon logic doesn't apply when the techniques are well handled.

 

It's actually real world logic. This is why we have such a thing as "grounded." Next thing you know, Water beats electricity.
 

 

- Well, he was incarnated in a youthfull body that had those powers. He was a dead man, in a powerful, special corpse. The Rinne Tensei revives a recent dead person nearby. It just joined the points. There was this body with Madara right there and it served it right. The Edo Tensei also revives people in their life's peak, so this explains why he have been revived with a young look.

 

The Edo Tensei doesn't revive at their life's peak. Otherwise why wasn't Chiyo brought back as their younger self when they were much more powerful then? And if you say something like "Well, she was much older and more powerful at that point" then I could argue that "Wouldn't Madara be even more powerful as an Old man?" This also doesn't explain why he got to keep Hashirama's power, but his eyes disintegrated as his eyes weren't removed until after he died. We can't say that Madara died with Hashirama's power because...well, even he says that it was Kabuto's doing he has that power.

Basically, at this point it is a plot convenience. Can't have an elderly Madara putting up that much of a fight now can we?
 

- I don't know, maybe Sasuke being born talented helped it. Wasn't he the proud of the young generation back in the days?

 

Huh? What does Sasuke have to do with it?

 

- Karin is just masochist, it isn't out of her character. 

 

Unless Karin is the representation of real life girls who think abusive guys are cool or think they can change the monster inside. Not unheard of in this day and age who also wonder why no "nice guys" exist, but never realize that it's not that nice guys exist, but rather that they never notice them cause they too busy looking at this...."love."

 

- I don't see anything wrong with this one. It was just sudden.

 

 

A lot of people do see a problem with it though.

 

Surprised I wouldn't be, because there's a LOT of people expeculating about this. But I think that this would be just... Off... Imature.

 

 

There are a lot of things that are off in this manga ranging from major plot points to minor ones that not many realize like the whole thing with 615 and why Naruto gave up so easily despite everyone telling him that everybody is fighting and how he knows by now that death happens. Didn't he learn this lesson from Jiraiya's death? We also have Hinata stunted or even reverse development based on I guess her stubbornness to see the obvious truth. We also have Sasuke's blantent character revision over and over with his goals change from one form to the next based on nothing or very little reason at all.

And don't even get me started on the questions of Naruto's early life after the nine-tails attack. We could fill a novel with the plots holes on this one.

I could keep going, but my point is is that why can't this happen? You say it doesn't make sense, but out of all the crazy crap that has happened that never made sense in the first place in this manga, this seems very tame compared. Why not?(rhetorical) It certainly wouldn't be the worst plot device this manga had to offer and I can think of several worst plot devices that would make even less sense than that. Like Hinata saving Naruto just through the power of love or some crap.
 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 26 January 2014 - 10:25 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I am stopping you right there because we have had several moments in this manga that happened that "made no sense."/

This includes:
- The Great Snake Escape with Sasuke surviving an explosion at ground zero in fractions of milliseconds
- Sasuke using lightning techniques on earth based attacks.
- Madara retaining a youthfull body AND abilities that didn't belong to him after was brought back to life
- His ability to be able to use Susanoo despite not having eye period (even when he personally said that you need both eyes to use it.)
- Karin still in love with Sasuke despite all he has done to her
- About Orochimaru being able to pull the 4 Hokage out of the Death God's belly and Sasuke knowing that Orochimaru knew about this ability

Plus several other things.
There are plenty of moments in this manga that do not make sense and yet are true to fact anyway. So are you really surprised if this happens?

I never understood why Earth is weak against Lightining, it should be water.
About Madara he's the Aizen of Naruto.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 January 2014 - 12:14 AM.

[Kster95]

I never understood why Earth is weak against Lightining, it should be water.
About Madara he's the Aizen of Naruto.

 

Water complements lightning and Kishi doesnt want to follow logic laid out by pokemon lol.