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[Weltall]

My reply to you.


Choji and Shikamaru were replaced to have Hinata support Ino.

Kakashi and Guy + the alliance were replace to show of the Hyugas.

Shikamaru and Ino's dad's death were completely forgetting because off the Hyugas

Naruto the Beast in Sage mode was made a wimp to have Hinata shine when Pain one Punch KO her bu Naruto SM manages to defeat Pain.

Neji die but the focus did not change to his Teammates for two full panels it stayed with Hinata.

Naruto was made a p*ssy when he actually tell Tobi that his plan will never work on Him.

Tsunade was left almost dead and Naruto was told by Madara that they might be dead but it has being forgetting

And Neji's dead was Ignored by Hinata thinking that Naruto's hands ere so big and manly.

So if everyone is being made non factor when it comes to Hinata, why does it only bother us when Sakura gets the same treatment all of the rest are currently gating?

Will Hinata be killed By Tobi or Madara, I don't know but Normally a non factor character to a plot who fcus normally gets forced on the fans tens to die.

Kishi has always done that for a character to shine he needs others characters to either disappear, act OOC or be completely stupid.
Who cares about continuity, who cares about logic, or basic human reactions, Kishi certainly doesn't care about that. Not even a single reaction from Neji's teamates they are not special to him since it's Hinata's time to shine the other characters are forced to disappear, it was the same when Itachi came back and Naruto bee and Sasuke were made to look like incompetent fools it's nothing new it is Kishi's modus operanti, it's bad writing for characters to shine you shouldn't have to kitten on the other characters but you can't ask too much from Kishi I'm just glad people are starting to realize that.

[fireandice]

@James S Cassidy

I see what you mean, yeah I get where you are coming from about Naruto seemingly regressing to give Hinata development.

I suppose it would have been more believable if the situation had suddenly become entirely hopeless (e.g almost everyone down, looking like there was no way they could win.) for Naruto to seriously consider Obito's offer for one moment. From my pov, I was thinking that the destruction of the HQ was quite major and then Neji dying after that was a second. But, now that you explain it, I do see what you mean, as to an extent I agree Naruto shouldn't even have considered Obito's offer.

(Also I'm a bit confused as to whether he REALLY considered Obito's offer, or just froze up with a stunned expression for one moment. I thought the hand reaching out in one panel was Naruto's, but it could be Hinata reaching up to slap him? I'm not sure)

Still, I can see why you think Naruto freezing up seems to be a created weakness for Hinata to get developed.

On reflection, I admit I myself am a bit annoyed at how Hinata gets thrust in the spotlight looking all self-sacrificing, where I think she is flawed in having tunnel vision for Naruto. In previous fights, e.g like tracking Sasuke, she was all "Naruto-kun!" and getting distracted, while it's Sakura who has to tell her "Don't worry, Naruto can handle that, just focus." And how she was like "Naruto-kun, are you ok?" when Kakashi and Gai were the ones bleeding all over and in REALLY REALLY in bad shape- and were fortunate that Sakura arrived to heal them. I mean, her jumping in front of Pain was honestly stupid and she could have gotten the entire village destroyed if it weren't for Minato, even if she didn't know Naruto was the Kyuubi's host.

IMO, Sakura, on the other hand, seems more responsible and clear-headed even if this isn't recognised by fans. She wasn't always thinking "Naruto!" and is thinking of the larger war, and while she's still attached to Sasuke, she has grown out of her tunnel vision for him- we see her concerned about Naruto too, and in the Pain invasion, about Hinata.

So yes, now that I look at it from this angle, I can see why many of you think Hinata is getting undeserved credit "for being by his side", because she HAS done quite a number of silly things that didn't help. I hope Naruto means it in the platonic and more general sense.

[Nate River]

Oh, and jeez, calm down fellas. If it does end up as NH, I expect we'll get a greater outpouring of good NaruSaku fanfics, which will be awesome.

I heard this rumor that the Mayan calander didn't end on December 21, but the day Kishimoto resolves his pairing wars. It'll be the end of the world.

[Nefertieh]

No, I envisioned Shikamaru to be the logic behind the emotional mess that is Naruto. The guy who reminds Naruto about reality and how harsh it can be while maintaining the idea that nothing is ever written in stone. Kishi has said that Shikamaru was going to play a bigger role and that he was going to be Naruto's right hand man. So far, he has done no such thing. Yeah he has kept the army together and faced is own problems, but right-hand man was supposed to be for Shikamaru's development, but for Naruto's

I myself have a right-hand man. I sometimes call him my wing man because he has helped me on more occasions than ever. He kept me grounded on earth and helped me see reality when I couldn't. That's a right-hand man by my definition and Shikmaru has done no such thing.



It would have been fine except he has been told several times. How many people have told him that he wasn't alone in this fight? How many have told him to not ignore his friends and to realize that he wasn't the only one fighting? How many times was this message written in the pages and said in many different variations with the same message over and over? The last time this message was brought up it was with Itachi which happened, if by manga time standards, was not, but a day or two ago

What next? Sasuke is going to die and Sakura is going to cheer him up saying the same thing over again? Even Neji before he died said it to him and he was still willing to give up to Obito if Hinata didn't stop him. This, this was just sloppy. There could have been more clever ways with more important characters to give the greater impact and at better moments in time. Even if Kishi had to do this. Even if he had to keep making Naruto ignorant to the truth because he refuses to listen, there were better ways to do it.

The shock was not was unreasonable, but the fact that he gave up hope like that. Neji's dying words were basically to never lose hope and that everyone makes their own choices. Naruto couldn't even listen to that. He couldn't even listen to his friend's dying words and take them to heart. THAT is insulting. Naruto just didn't even listen.

Naruto getting upset is a normal response. Naruto losing hope even when his dying friend told him not to is crap and I don't buy it. It's forced.

Is that how stupid Naruto is? You have to wait till someone dies before it finally clicks? And then he had to be reminded AGAIN about everything everyone has done for him. Come on. Really? How many more times must Naruto be reminded that he is not alone? Now it just feels forced.

I'm sure just a few weeks ago some people were saying Naruto hasn't been tested by reality like Obito has, and that he was too idealistic and he should give up on saving Sasuke.

Having said that, this chapter was heavily focused on Hinata's nindo. Maybe at the expense of Neji and Naruto's own resolve, but I can't imagine Kishimoto writing the story any other way. As someone said earlier, this was just like a few years ago, when the manga was so heavily focused on Sasuke, people were wondering why it was called Naruto in the first place.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

I heard this rumor that the Mayan calander didn't end on December 21, but the day Kishimoto resolves his pairing wars. It'll be the end of the world.

Oh dear god. The end of the world, not with a bang, but with the gradual breakdown of society as fandoms rip each other to pieces in a shipping-induced frenzy..... Fair enough.

I almost dread to see the day Kishi ends the manga.


In a slight off-topic moment, your avatar pic is the Flame Princess?

[Heaven on Earth]

Still not finished reading all the comments, still at page 38 But I want to add comment.

If that ain't a hint of Naruto reciprocating her feelings, then I dunno what is. And the action?? the hand holding. How's that?? denying its status of whether it's canon or not is one thing. Outright denying this wasn't a NH moment is another.

Of course, now Naruto noticed Hinata, is the same as what one of the members here had said, it is almost similar to the scene LeeSaku and SasuSaku, when Sakura appreciated Lee for making her feel more powerful as well as Sasuke appreciated Sakura for always cared for him. With, “Thanks you (for being here/always here/being by my side).”

Some members here (just like me) must be an author right?

Just because I know the ending to the story that I made is NaruSaku, does not mean I'm going to throw away a scene that included SasuSaku, NaruHina, or any side pairing in the story I made. Well, I love suspense after all. But I will not abandon all the development I’ve made from the first time I build the story.

My friend said that I’m such a troller

Codus, I have a friend. She’s a novelist. I’m one of her beta-reader. She told me anything about the editor. Editor does have the right to criticize a plothole or inconsistency in a story. Editor corrected it. But in the end, the decision remains in the owner's story. If an editor from the initial agreement did not agree with the plan of the author, the story will not be published from beginning.

I'm sure, Kishimoto must have the ending of this story when he first made the story. Plot can be constructed when he was writing the story, but usually, ending, main conflict, opening, everything crucial, is determined from the beginning. I don’t know about Kishimoto’s plan. Maybe it’s one of his plan, to build the suspense, or maybe he’s really throw away all the things he has been build between Naruto and Sakura. I’m just trying to say that if I was Kishimoto, based on the bonds of NS, I will make NS canon in the end :3

About RTN, we’ll gonna see it in April, rite? Maybe at that time, all the ‘NH-thingssss’ already done.

Ps: sorry for bad english

Btw, as long as I remember, there’s more HarryHermione fans out there than HarryGinny fans, right? I heard that some fans got upset with JK Rowling (actually me too), but, what I want to say is, IMO, no one could change author’s plan. Well, I noticed that Hermione and Ron are made for each other from the 1st book, even there’s soooo many DracoMione fans out there

Edited by Heaven on Earth, 28 December 2012 - 03:32 PM.

[Nefertieh]

@James S Cassidy

I see what you mean, yeah I get where you are coming from about Naruto seemingly regressing to give Hinata development.

I suppose it would have been more believable if the situation had suddenly become entirely hopeless (e.g almost everyone down, looking like there was no way they could win.) for Naruto to seriously consider Obito's offer for one moment. From my pov, I was thinking that the destruction of the HQ was quite major and then Neji dying after that was a second. But, now that you explain it, I do see what you mean, as to an extent I agree Naruto shouldn't even have considered Obito's offer.

(Also I'm a bit confused as to whether he REALLY considered Obito's offer, or just froze up with a stunned expression for one moment. I thought the hand reaching out in one panel was Naruto's, but it could be Hinata reaching up to slap him? I'm not sure)

Still, I can see why you think Naruto freezing up seems to be a created weakness for Hinata to get developed.

On reflection, I admit I myself am a bit annoyed at how Hinata gets thrust in the spotlight looking all self-sacrificing, where I think she is flawed in having tunnel vision for Naruto. In previous fights, e.g like tracking Sasuke, she was all "Naruto-kun!" and getting distracted, while it's Sakura who has to tell her "Don't worry, Naruto can handle that, just focus." And how she was like "Naruto-kun, are you ok?" when Kakashi and Gai were the ones bleeding all over and in REALLY REALLY in bad shape- and were fortunate that Sakura arrived to heal them. I mean, her jumping in front of Pain was honestly stupid and she could have gotten the entire village destroyed if it weren't for Minato, even if she didn't know Naruto was the Kyuubi's host.

IMO, Sakura, on the other hand, seems more responsible and clear-headed even if this isn't recognised by fans. She wasn't always thinking "Naruto!" and is thinking of the larger war, and while she's still attached to Sasuke, she has grown out of her tunnel vision for him- we see her concerned about Naruto too, and in the Pain invasion, about Hinata.

So yes, now that I look at it from this angle, I can see why many of you think Hinata is getting undeserved credit "for being by his side", because she HAS done quite a number of silly things that didn't help. I hope Naruto means it in the platonic and more general sense.

Then you have the fandom: Hinata does is praised as true and pure and beautiful, but nothing Sakura does is ever right.

[James S Cassidy]

@James S Cassidy

I see what you mean, yeah I get where you are coming from about Naruto seemingly regressing to give Hinata development. (sorry to cut it short, but I rather keep the quotes minimum.)

I just don't get it why. Maybe I never will.

I'm sure just a few weeks ago some people were saying Naruto hasn't been tested by reality like Obito has, and that he was too idealistic and he should give up on saving Sasuke.

I know who and what you are talking about too. That's thin ice, my friend. Not something people want to remember.

Having said that, this chapter was heavily focused on Hinata's nindo. Maybe at the expense of Neji and Naruto's own resolve, but I can't imagine Kishimoto writing the story any other way. As someone said earlier, this was just like a few years ago, when the manga was so heavily focused on Sasuke, people were wondering why it was called Naruto in the first place.

I can think of a few ways this could have gone. One where Naruto wasn't subject to forced deconstruction of his character.

This is my last post for a while. So sorry if I couldn't talk more.

[Nate River]

I'm sure just a few weeks ago some people were saying Naruto hasn't been tested by reality like Obito has, and that he was too idealistic and he should give up on saving Sasuke.

I don't think he needs to be pressed by Obito because I think he will die. He needs to be pressed by Sasuke because he will not. I don't think Naruto understanding Obito's pain in this way is necessary to prove Obito wrong. Obito is such a flamming narcassist it's that I'm not sure it's possible to exaggerate how bad it is. He proposes to rope everyone in because of his own personal tragedies. The second he presumed that either reality is, can, and will be as sorry for everyone as it was for him, the second it was no longer necessary for Naruto to experience the same thing to prove him wrong.

It's only necessary to prove to Obito that he is wrong, which is important if he's going to pull a death = redemption moment (which he will).

Having said that, this chapter was heavily focused on Hinata's nindo. Maybe at the expense of Neji and Naruto's own resolve, but I can't imagine Kishimoto writing the story any other way. As someone said earlier, this was just like a few years ago, when the manga was so heavily focused on Sasuke, people were wondering why it was called Naruto in the first place.

I think the claims that Hinata has taken over the herione roll and/or that this manga is somehow undeserving of the title "Naruto" is premature. Hinata has a couple of moments alongside of Naruto and suddenly it's not appropriate to call it Naruto?

As for Sasuke, when he broke off from Naruto we could no longer assmue what he was doing, so some focus was necessary. For him to suddenly show up completely changed in attitidue and goal would be a huge "wtf" moment and put Kishimoto in a position to explain via flashback. Again. Something that has earned him consistent criticism.

That said, this was at the expense of Naruto's resolve and I disagree he had to chunk that under the bus for purposes of the story. Naruto could and should have been able to stand without someone having to force it using the same speech Neji just did. I don't think the role Hinata just filled even needed to be filled.

In a slight off-topic moment, your avatar pic is the Flame Princess?

Yes, it is.

EDIT: Yeah, the world will be destroyed by rioting fandoms.

[Narushi]

it's better that Kishi has something in his mind, but at the current status I'm a few pessimistic since I know already that there will be other NH hints in next chapters...

I hope he's trolling but i don't want deceive myself, not anymore. Just now I'm learning to lost interest towards this manga and, above all, Kishimoto.

Guys, let us realize that each week, when a chapter come out, I even fear for starting to read it because I'm worrying to find some NH bullsh**... And this mood is just... TERRIBLE.

Very. Way to end the year Mr. Kishimoto. I think i'm gonna start reading the manga again on february... or march, because i don't think i can handle more of this... "heartaches". I need to save a few more chapters to read just to make sure all this NH shiz have subsided.

My reply to you.


Choji and Shikamaru were replaced to have Hinata support Ino.

Kakashi and Guy + the alliance were replace to show of the Hyugas.

Shikamaru and Ino's dad's death were completely forgetting because off the Hyugas

Naruto the Beast in Sage mode was made a wimp to have Hinata shine when Pain one Punch KO her bu Naruto SM manages to defeat Pain.

Neji die but the focus did not change to his Teammates for two full panels it stayed with Hinata.

Naruto was made a p*ssy when he actually tell Tobi that his plan will never work on Him.

Tsunade was left almost dead and Naruto was told by Madara that they might be dead but it has being forgetting

And Neji's dead was Ignored by Hinata thinking that Naruto's hands ere so big and manly.

So if everyone is being made non factor when it comes to Hinata, why does it only bother us when Sakura gets the same treatment all of the rest are currently gating?

Will Hinata be killed By Tobi or Madara, I don't know but Normally a non factor character to a plot who fcus normally gets forced on the fans tens to die.

Exactly! I know Naruto got all sad and disheartened with Neji's death but come on! After Hinata's speech he goes like, oh well everything's fine then! let's go kick some ass Hinata! uhh... yeah, Neji's still there Naruto, he may be dead already but yeah... he's there... you might wanna thank him for his sacrifice... promise him stuff like his FREAKIN SACRIFICE won't go to waste?! Seriously? All acknowledgements go to Hinata? Who, by the way, if you're saying has stayed by your side all this time (if like what others are saying that this includes their gennin days) has in all actuality just stalked you and observed all this time you were having a hard time as a young boy "shunned" by the whole village instead of actually being your friend?! And where the heck did "big and manly" come from?! you're in a fearkin war! your cousin died just right in front you, because of you! And yet you stand there going all, aww i'm holding his hand! i feel so safe! (am i bashing already? if i am, well, sorry. yes i do acknowledge her development here, but still! ) Is this bitterness? no this just me pointing out what the f is wrong here. Anyways...

Me: NARUSAKU SHIPPERS! Prepare for glory!

NH fan friend: Glory? Have you gone mad? There is no glory to be had now! Only retreat, or surrender or death!

Me: Well, that's an easy choice for us, NaruHina fan! NS fans never retreat! NS fans never surrender! Go spread the word. Let every Naruto fan assembled know the truth of this. Let each among them search his own soul. And while you're at it, search your own.

Children, gather round! No retreat, no surrender; that is NS law. And by NS law we will stand and fight... and die. A new age has begun. An age of freedom, and all will know, that thousands of NS fans gave their last breath to defend it!

Go tell the anime fans, passerby, that here by NS law, we lie.

Hellsyeah! I know it has been said again and again but no, this is not the end of NS! that little sakura panel proves it, and i have faith in kishi that he won't just throw away all those developments and parallels he made for NS just to lead to this chapter that others are claiming to be the end of the shipping wars... well... YOU WISH! if not, i am so gonna fly to japan and knock some sense into kishi's mind! (i just mentally strangled him now).

So my dear brethren in NS let us hold hands and pray for the NS moment that will topple this NH one.

[CloudMountainJuror]

pfff

[Don-kun]

I don't think he needs to be pressed by Obito because I think he will die. He needs to be pressed by Sasuke because he will not. I don't think Naruto understanding Obito's pain in this way is necessary to prove Obito wrong. Obito is such a flamming narcassist it's that I'm not sure it's possible to exaggerate how bad it is. He proposes to rope everyone in because of his own personal tragedies. The second he presumed that either reality is, can, and will be as sorry for everyone as it was for him, the second it was no longer necessary for Naruto to experience the same thing to prove him wrong.

It's only necessary to prove to Obito that he is wrong, which is important if he's going to pull a death = redemption moment (which he will).



I think the claims that Hinata has taken over the herione roll and/or that this manga is somehow undeserving of the title "Naruto" is premature. Hinata has a couple of moments alongside of Naruto and suddenly it's not appropriate to call it Naruto?

As for Sasuke, when he broke off from Naruto we could no longer assmue what he was doing, so some focus was necessary. For him to suddenly show up completely changed in attitidue and goal would be a huge "wtf" moment and put Kishimoto in a position to explain via flashback. Again. Something that has earned him consistent criticism.

That said, this was at the expense of Naruto's resolve and I disagree he had to chunk that under the bus for purposes of the story. Naruto could and should have been able to stand without someone having to force it using the same speech Neji just did. I don't think the role Hinata just filled even needed to be filled.




Yes, it is.

EDIT: Yeah, the world will be destroyed by rioting fandoms.

Right now this is my problem with this Manga, the fact that Kishimoto makes is fan dictate the direction of the story, plus he really lack the ability to changing scenes, is he too damn lazy? Who knows but not being able to balance other scenes in his chapters and heavily being influence by his fans make him a really poor story writer, I have never ever read a story where people constantly question the role of the two main characters.
Kishi really need to learn how to show Sasuke, Naruto's battle other forgetting stuff like the Kages etc, that way he would not need to completely forget a character to give the other the spotlight they needs.

I now many readers here don't read One Piece, but if you did or do, you will know what I meant by shearing the spotlight on all the important character so it does not look forced, one sided or worse downgrading a character to make the undeveloped one be on the same lave of the developed character.

[六道仙人]

I now many readers here don't read One Piece, but if you did or do, you will know what I meant by shearing the spotlight on all the important character so it does not look forced, one sided or worse downgrading a character to make the undeveloped one be on the same lave of the developed character.

And most of all, Oda don't ruin his own job with some romance BS. I remember that in a SBS a reader ask him why don't he insert some romance and he replies "If you want romance, go to read a shoujo". So harsh but funny

[Nate River]

Right now this is my problem with this Manga, the fact that Kishimoto makes is fan dictate the direction of the story, plus he really lack the ability to changing scenes, is he too damn lazy? Who knows but not being able to balance other scenes in his chapters and heavily being influence by his fans make him a really poor story writer, I have never ever read a story where people constantly question the role of the two main characters.
Kishi really need to learn how to show Sasuke, Naruto's battle other forgetting stuff like the Kages etc, that way he would not need to completely forget a character to give the other the spotlight they needs.

If there is any place where he messed up by allowing others to control direction (i.e. supposedly his editors) it was in allowing Team Not Seven to exist.

Is there any actual proof fandom is controlling anything?

[Nefertieh]

I don't think he needs to be pressed by Obito because I think he will die. He needs to be pressed by Sasuke because he will not. I don't think Naruto understanding Obito's pain in this way is necessary to prove Obito wrong. Obito is such a flamming narcassist it's that I'm not sure it's possible to exaggerate how bad it is. He proposes to rope everyone in because of his own personal tragedies. The second he presumed that either reality is, can, and will be as sorry for everyone as it was for him, the second it was no longer necessary for Naruto to experience the same thing to prove him wrong.

It's only necessary to prove to Obito that he is wrong, which is important if he's going to pull a death = redemption moment (which he will).

Maybe this will be the last time Naruto needs to be reminded of his own nindo, then.

I think the claims that Hinata has taken over the herione roll and/or that this manga is somehow undeserving of the title "Naruto" is premature. Hinata has a couple of moments alongside of Naruto and suddenly it's not appropriate to call it Naruto?

As for Sasuke, when he broke off from Naruto we could no longer assmue what he was doing, so some focus was necessary. For him to suddenly show up completely changed in attitidue and goal would be a huge "wtf" moment and put Kishimoto in a position to explain via flashback. Again. Something that has earned him consistent criticism.

I think you misread my comment. A few years ago, people were calling Naruto weak for having gone off with Jiraiya for two years and to have learned almost nothing. At the time, there was a huge focus on Sasuke, team Hebi/ Taka and Itachi. Basically, it felt like Kishimoto made Naruto look weak simply to make Sasuke appear more "dark" and strong.

The same thing is being played out here. Hinata is essentially not saying anything new, so it in turn makes Naruto himself look weak.

(And yes, I know the huge focus was on Sasuke because he was MIA for the first hundred or so chapters of Part II).

I don't think I would use the word "undeserving" for Hinata here, but it does seem to be unfortunate how Naruto "needed" to be reminded. I think this chapter would have had better reception if she didnt already have a huge role in the last arc. It would be nice if there was some focus on the other rookies as well.

That said, this was at the expense of Naruto's resolve and I disagree he had to chunk that under the bus for purposes of the story. Naruto could and should have been able to stand without someone having to force it using the same speech Neji just did. I don't think the role Hinata just filled even needed to be filled.

Exactly.

[Nate River]

I think you misread my comment. A few years ago, people were calling Naruto weak for having gone off with Jiraiya for two years and to have learned almost nothing. At the time, there was a huge focus on Sasuke, team Hebi/ Taka and Itachi. Basically, it felt like Kishimoto made Naruto look weak simply to make Sasuke appear more "dark" and strong.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you believed any of that. Your post inspired the thought, but I meant that to be directed at the thread in general because so many people are complaining of it. Of course, I didn't say that explicity, so I'm sorry for implying otherwise.

I don't think I would use the word "undeserving" for Hinata here, but it does seem to be unfortunate how Naruto "needed" to be reminded. I think this chapter would have had better reception if she didnt already have a huge role in the last arc. It would be nice if there was some focus on the other rookies as well.

I was unsure of what word to use and settle on that.

[Don-kun]

If there is any place where he messed up by allowing others to control direction (i.e. supposedly his editors) it was in allowing Team Not Seven to exist.

Is there any actual proof fandom is controlling anything?

You already answer your own question, by Kishi allowing his editors to create Team Taka because fans are desperate to see Sasuke he is allowing the fans to dictates his story, the same thing he did when fans asked him about Itachi and Sasuke meeting again, the Iruka and Kakashi scene in Pain arc and many others moment I don't feel to point out right now.
Plus all the B romance, since I really don't feel that Kishi is gay but it cannot be deny that he is making some few Yaoi fanservice knowing that many fan girls love that stuff.

Edited by Don-kun, 28 December 2012 - 04:23 PM.

[T XD]

You already answer your own question, by Kishi allowing his editors to create Team Taka because fans are desperate to see Sasuke he is allowing the fans to dictates his story, the same thing he did when fans asked him about Itachi and Sasuke meeting again, the Iruka and Kakashi scene in Pain arc and many others moment I don't feel to point out right now.
Plus all the B romance, since I really don't feel that Kishi is gay but it cannot be deny that he is making some few Yaoi fanservice knowing that many fan girls love that stuff.

Maybe Kishi has responded to certain things from fans but not in a way to be completely under the control of the fans, cause if he'll be, he'll look like a poor writer, like you said, who's writing a story for what the fans only wants, which he won't do to not appear as weak.

Edited by T XD, 28 December 2012 - 04:34 PM.

[Nate River]

You already answer your own question, by Kishi allowing his editors to create Team Taka because fans are desperate to see Sasuke he is allowing the fans to dictates his story, the same thing he did when fans asked him about Itachi and Sasuke meeting again, the Iruka and Kakashi scene in Pain arc and many others moment I don't feel to point out right now.
Plus all the B romance, since I really don't feel that Kishi is gay but it cannot be deny that he is making some few Yaoi fanservice knowing that many fan girls love that stuff.

Your assuming his editors made that call because of fandom demand rather than a belief it would ultimately sell well. I also have never seen direct proof of that, just rumor.

I have yet to see proof Kishimoto change course because the fandom was calling for it, especially as it relates to pairing. That his editors pushed change in one place does not prove they did it elsewhere.

[Nefertieh]

You already answer your own question, by Kishi allowing his editors to create Team Taka because fans are desperate to see Sasuke he is allowing the fans to dictates his story, the same thing he did when fans asked him about Itachi and Sasuke meeting again, the Iruka and Kakashi scene in Pain arc and many others moment I don't feel to point out right now.
Plus all the B romance, since I really don't feel that Kishi is gay but it cannot be deny that he is making some few Yaoi fanservice knowing that many fan girls love that stuff.

The only concrete thing we know his editor(s) have told him to do is to give Team Taka individual backstories, and the existence of Sasuke and Sakura in the manga. The yaoi scenes are just fanservice, ofcourse.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you believed any of that. Your post inspired the thought, but I meant that to be directed at the thread in general because so many people are complaining of it. Of course, I didn't say that explicity, so I'm sorry for implying otherwise.

No hard feelings. I was just saying Naruto almost giving up in this chapter isn't too different to how the fandom reacted to Naruto being weak in the Sasuke-focused arcs. Not that Hinata's big role means the name of the manga should be changed.

I was unsure of what word to use and settle on that.

I think people think that Neji and everyone else have made a collective sacrifice, but it seems like Hinata got the bulk of the recognition for it. So it's not to say she doesn't deserve to be thanked, just that the other people deserve it too.

Edited by Nefertieh, 28 December 2012 - 04:40 PM.