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[Don-kun]

@Tsubaki
If Naruto does transfer chakra to Hinata and thank her again we can conclude that it will be the end of her character development and maybe the end of the NH is canon talk, if it goes any further then it would be a different story.

[Phantom_999]

Which it probably won't unless Kishi somehow thinks Hinata is a better match for Naruto out of the blue.

[Derock]

I don't want to try and diminish the moment because I really feel it was a big NH moment, but to me the NH moment wasn't when they were holding hand because they never did hold hand it was more of Naruto holding her hand, there finger weren't embedded in a romantic way.

The romantic hint for me was when Hinata caress his cheeks.


To me did is a big deal when someone wants to depict a strictly romantic moment.

Kishimoto not only avoid this but he made it clear to the readers how Naruto was holding her hand plus the way Naruto never faced her while to thank her.

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http://www.squidoo.c...questoholdhands

I still don't see the whole thing romantic as well. First off, compare the hand-holding picture Don-kun posted to the one of Naruto and Hinata's. The former is way more romantic than the latter because, when you can tell couples hold their hands together like that saying that their an item. And on that panel (with that freaking Hinata's "Naruto's hand is so manly..." ugh!), it's shown that Naruto is grasping her hand, while hers isn't. Their hands aren't clamped together. In order to be considered to be romantic, wouldn't their hand-holding be exactly like the picture above?

This is why the chapter is a Hinata-only development, NOT a NaruHina moment.

[dl316bh]

Derock is a dude who knows what's up.

Seriously, big difference in hand holding here. Couples are the only ones that hold hands with fingers interlaced and in comics it's basically shorthand for "yup, they're totally in love" without having a dramatic yelled profession of love. If Kishi wanted that moment to be romantic that's what you would have seen; it would fall under showing instead of telling, since it conveys romance without words or flowery narration. If you see fingers interlaced anywhere in there, let me know because that's the point where I need to get my eyes checked.

Edited by dl316bh, 06 January 2013 - 06:57 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I still don't see the whole thing romantic as well. First off, compare the hand-holding picture Don-kun posted to the one of Naruto and Hinata's. The former is way more romantic than the latter because, when you can tell couples hold their hands together like that saying that their an item. And on that panel (with that freaking Hinata's "Naruto's hand is so manly..." ugh!), it's shown that Naruto is grasping her hand, while hers isn't. Their hands aren't clamped together. In order to be considered to be romantic, wouldn't their hand-holding be exactly like the picture above?

This is why the chapter is a Hinata-only development, NOT a NaruHina moment.

I think it wasnt a romantic moment but it was Naruto's too, he acknowledge Hinata and Neji, it was not meant to be romantic but kishimoto give what hinata wanted acknowledgement.

I'm concerned is about Sakura unless Naruto does not resolver Sakura's problems with self confidence and her bad view about herself she will never do heroine stuff.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 06 January 2013 - 12:21 PM.

[naruto-z]

I've always been shocked by the fact that Hinata didn't even blush when Naruto held her hand or when she touched Naruto's face.

Guess that's character growth for ya

[James S Cassidy]

I agree.

And your inclusion of the old manga page inspired me. I went hunting for a few of my favorite panels that, like the one you chose, shows the sweet but frustrating swirl of affection and confusion that is NS.

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^ For this scene in the anime (which I saw before I started reading the manga), Naruto says something like, "Just what I would expect from the girl of my dreams."



^ Here again, in the anime he says something like, "Sakura-chan... you're so cool!"



^ This is one of my favorites of all time.



^ Makes you wonder what else she might wish he would say, or how she'd feel if he ever said things she might like/want to hear that she hasn't imagined yet? Just saying.



^ Another one of my favorites that gets overlooked a lot. Just Kishi being a troll? You decide. (This was after Hinata's confession too, remember? )

Wow, those panels are great.

See this why I keep my faith on NS. How could you not when you see all this? Even with what is happening lately.

[Chatte]

I remembered a thing... Naruto only knows about Hinata risking her life for him, but why is it that Kishi keeps hidden the fact that Sakura did this long ago in Forest of Death situation?

Edited by Chatte, 06 January 2013 - 04:12 PM.

[sushi.]

Sakura has done nice things for Naruto quite a few times without him knowing it. Or she just silently thanks him. Like when he saved her from Gaara, the forest of death scene, the tenchi bridge, or when she watched him sleep after he saved her from Sasuke. Because he's clueless about his feelings for her, I think it is meant to be that way until he finds out in the end.

And also, I find the forest of death scene a lot more honourable than the Pain scene with Hinata's confession. Because she made a plan, cut her hair..what was special about Hinata? That she told him about her feelings for him? I don't get why people act like Hinata is the only one who's risked her life for Naruto. (they even say therefore she is like Kushina lol )

Edited by sushi., 06 January 2013 - 04:17 PM.

[Chatte]

Sakura has done nice things for Naruto quite a few times without him knowing it. Or she just silently thanks him. Like when he saved her from Gaara, the forest of death scene, the tenchi bridge, or when she watched him sleep after he saved her from Sasuke. Because he's clueless about his feelings for her, I think it is meant to be that way until he finds out in the end.

And also, I find the forest of death scene a lot more honourable than the Pain scene with Hinata's confession. Because she made a plan, cut her hair..what was special about Hinata? That she told him about her feelings for him? I don't get why people act like Hinata is the only one who's risked her life for Naruto. (they even say therefore she is like Kushina lol )

True that. She got beaten to a pulp but still, never got back, whereas Hinata was just one-shotted, not the filler scenes of her giving her best.
I swear that I hate Pierrot for that. Not because of Hinata, but because they made the wrong impression on others.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I remembered a thing... Naruto only knows about Hinata risking her life for him, but why is it that Kishi keeps hidden the fact that Sakura did this long ago in Forest of Death situation?

Somehow, I think Kishi is pulling the old "It doesn't matter whether you did this or that, what matters is you're with me." It doesn't have to be love. It reminds me of One Piece. I just recently saw that Nami special, which is great, and I really like how well it was presented that Luffy don't need or care of what happened in the past, what matters is going forward with friends. It's to say why you care for that past if you don't know what happened to him/her. Anyway, I'm getting ahead of myself but Naruto probably don't care if she did this or that but it's the fact she's there. Hm, Yamato's words are really the truth.

[KeikoxYusuke]

I remembered a thing... Naruto only knows about Hinata risking her life for him, but why is it that Kishi keeps hidden the fact that Sakura did this long ago in Forest of Death situation?

Yeah that's one of the things I WISH the NH fandom would remember...well.. the mean ones...You don't know how often I have come across statements that Hinata risked her life for Naruto and Sakura didn't do anything...or they claim she was just crying. ( when she didn't do anything like that) Now that Hinata has saved Naruto twice....they are going to be even nuts with the whole" she deseves him stuff" while giving Sakura the shaft. altho Sakura saved his life twice FIRST....and healed him idk how many times...and cried for Naruto...cheered him up...just felt good by his side.. I could go on.

The ONLY thing Hinata did first was confess...that was it. And not long after Naruto Sai confronts Naruto on his feelings for Sakura.


I still wish people would gave Sakura proper credit...it really annoys me.

[sushi.]

Somehow, I think Kishi is pulling the old "It doesn't matter whether you did this or that, what matters is you're with me." It doesn't have to be love. It reminds me of One Piece. I just recently saw that Nami special, which is great, and I really like how well it was presented that Luffy don't need or care of what happened in the past, what matters is going forward with friends. It's to say why you care for that past if you don't know what happened to him/her. Anyway, I'm getting ahead of myself but Naruto probably don't care if she did this or that but it's the fact she's there. Hm, Yamato's words are really the truth.

lol. this is one of the reasons one piece is better than Naruto IMO. They don't need all the information about eachothers pasts, they're just walking together. Not because "they are all the same", but because they are friends. Naruto is much more of a therapist than Luffy, not that I like it.

KeikoxYusuke, I think Sai confronted Naruto before Hinata's confession. It was a flashback, and the village was not surrounded by tents.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

lol. this is one of the reasons one piece is better than Naruto IMO. They don't need all the information about eachothers pasts, they're just walking together. Not because "they are all the same", but because they are friends. Naruto is much more of a therapist than Luffy, not that I like it.

KeikoxYusuke, I think Sai confronted Naruto before Hinata's confession. It was a flashback, and the village was not surrounded by tents.

i think this is not relevant if it happened after/before Hinata's confession, kishi showed that Naruto loves Sakura does not matter if it's after or before, but when and how it's showed.
You forgot that Naruto said to Sai to no tell Sakura that he was going after Sasuke.
He speak as it he didnt had any doubts about his love, some claim that being before hinata's confession would change something.
But not, we know that it was completely ignored by Naruto when Neji spoke about Hinata's willing to die for him any flashbacks were given, or better, when Hinata tried to sacrifice for Naruto, Neji didnt said that she wanted to die for him because she loved him, he just said Naruto hinata is willing to die for you as so do i, he totally removed off the "because she loves you argument" Neji showed that everyone was willing to die for him not just Hinata.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 06 January 2013 - 05:32 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

lol. this is one of the reasons one piece is better than Naruto IMO. They don't need all the information about eachothers pasts, they're just walking together. Not because "they are all the same", but because they are friends. Naruto is much more of a therapist than Luffy, not that I like it.

KeikoxYusuke, I think Sai confronted Naruto before Hinata's confession. It was a flashback, and the village was not surrounded by tents.

Lol. Well not everyone has to be the same. I like both a lot. Both have ups and downs. I don't mind. In the end, we all win.

It doesn't matter. For all we know, maybe Kishi ignores the confession altogether. By this point, it feels like a special fanservice that's only meant to be one time deal. Mangaka does do this tactic. Anyway, the point is that Naruto still loves Sakura even after confession. Plus, regardless of being non canon, the movie still shows that he loves Sakura, and according to Kishi's timing (not timeline), it's right before getting the Kyuubi due to having Sage mode and knowledge of Killer Bee.

[sushi.]

Lol. Well not everyone has to be the same. I like both a lot. Both have ups and downs. I don't mind. In the end, we all win.

It doesn't matter. For all we know, maybe Kishi ignores the confession altogether. By this point, it feels like a special fanservice that's only meant to be one time deal. Mangaka does do this tactic. Anyway, the point is that Naruto still loves Sakura even after confession. Plus, regardless of being non canon, the movie still shows that he loves Sakura, and according to Kishi's timing (not timeline), it's right before getting the Kyuubi due to having Sage mode and knowledge of Killer Bee.

I feel like I get from Naruto what I can't from One Piece, and the other way around. Difference is that OP is a more solid manga, with not many ups and downs chapters, imo.

I never said he didn't love Sakura, but I don't think Sai's confrontation was after Pain's attack. And Darkrerst, I feel as though you agree with someone, you try to debate with them and repeat what they said in another way. I'm sorry, I don't understand the point of what you're saying.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I feel like I get from Naruto what I can't from One Piece, and the other way around. Difference is that OP is a more solid manga, with not many ups and downs chapters, imo.

I never said he didn't love Sakura, but I don't think Sai's confrontation was after Pain's attack. And Darkrerst, I feel as though you agree with someone, you try to debate with them and repeat what they said in another way. I'm sorry, I don't understand the point of what you're saying.

Fair enough.

True, you didn't. The timeline from that scene could be anywhere. I don't think Kishi thinks it matters, as long we get the idea that Naruto doesn't confess until everything is done.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I feel like I get from Naruto what I can't from One Piece, and the other way around. Difference is that OP is a more solid manga, with not many ups and downs chapters, imo.

I never said he didn't love Sakura, but I don't think Sai's confrontation was after Pain's attack. And Darkrerst, I feel as though you agree with someone, you try to debate with them and repeat what they said in another way. I'm sorry, I don't understand the point of what you're saying.

I'm saying is does not matter if it happened before or after the confession because it was bought up after and kishi showed that he loves Sakura, and had no doubts about it he's very happy when she's around him, and it's showed even when Tsunade wakes up, when Sakura smile to him.
It's shown too when Naruto is beaten he begs to sai "Please dont tell Sakura" he really worries about her and this comes from the fact that he loves her.

About hinata, is not strange? when Neji said "Naruto, Hinata is willing to die for you" and the panel of pain's arc didnt even bought up, like he didnt even think that she was doing that because she loves him.

Neji completely cut off the fact that hinata was going to die for him because she loves him, Neji said that he was willing to die for him as everyone he showed to Naruto that everyone was willing to die for him, because his life is important to them the same way their life is important to him.
In the end he thanked both and acknowledege Neji and Hinata.
See how Naruto still called Neji as if they were on part 1 before he died.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 06 January 2013 - 05:37 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

I'm saying is does not matter if it happened before or after the confession because it was bought up after and kishi showed that he loves Sakura, and had no doubts about it he's very happy when she's around him, and it's showed even when Tsunade wakes up, when Sakura smile to him.
It's shown too when Naruto is beaten he begs to sai "Please dont tell Sakura" he really worries about her and this comes from the fact that he loves her.

About hinata, is not strange? when Neji said "Naruto, Hinata is willing to die for you" and the panel of pain's arc didnt even bought up, like he didnt even think that she was doing that because she loves him.

Neji completely cut off the fact that hinata was going to die for him because she loves him, Neji said that he was willing to die for him as everyone he showed to Naruto that everyone was willing to die for him, because his life is important to them the same way their life is important to him.
In the end he thanked both and acknowledege Neji and Hinata.
See how Naruto still called Neji as if they were on part 1 before he died.

I think I get whatcha mean.

To be honest though, I get it too but at the same time, it feels like that in the long run, Hinata wanted to die for Naruto too not just because of her feelings but because she knew protecting him was important. Even if as I've said and seen, it feels like Hinata doesn't have FAITH in Naruto being able to handle himself at times. Even in the midst of war.

I could be looking too much into it, but at the same time, it just comes off that way a little, given too that Sakura has shown faith in Naruto, even when she didn't realize she HAD been showing faith in him to win, especially when early on she hadn't had faith in him before she saw how wrong she was about him personality-wise.

Hinata to me feels like she's still stuck on the mentality Naruto is a proud failure and thus even as strong as he is that he has to be worried about as if he still isn't strong enough. As I said, I could be reading too much into it after all.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I think I get whatcha mean.

To be honest though, I get it too but at the same time, it feels like that in the long run, Hinata wanted to die for Naruto too not just because of her feelings but because she knew protecting him was important. Even if as I've said and seen, it feels like Hinata doesn't have FAITH in Naruto being able to handle himself at times. Even in the midst of war.

I could be looking too much into it, but at the same time, it just comes off that way a little, given too that Sakura has shown faith in Naruto, even when she didn't realize she HAD been showing faith in him to win, especially when early on she hadn't had faith in him before she saw how wrong she was about him personality-wise.

Hinata to me feels like she's still stuck on the mentality Naruto is a proud failure and thus even as strong as he is that he has to be worried about as if he still isn't strong enough. As I said, I could be reading too much into it after all.

She will remain as she is the thing is this chapte Naruto acknowledge her the same thing that Sasuke did to Sakura when he leave the village, the thank you had the same meaning at least it's how i think.
But had no romantic appeal for neither from Sasuke or Naruto.
Sasuke acknowledge Sakura as she was at his side, the same way that Naruto acknowledge both Hinata and Neji.
Sasuke proved that he had no romantic desires towards Sakura.

I'm waiting for 616 which is going to have a continuition.
10 days left.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 06 January 2013 - 06:29 PM.