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Posted 29 January 2012 - 10:40 AM

Good points you have there Dalton,Don't worry We won't bash you, but please don't bash anyone else smile.gif,I feel the same way as you.

@Fenris Yeah I noticed that,But It was a filler sad.gif.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 05:07 PM

QUOTE (Zeref @ Jan 29 2012, 04:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good points you have there Dalton,Don't worry We won't bash you, but please don't bash anyone else smile.gif,I feel the same way as you.

@Fenris Yeah I noticed that,But It was a filler sad.gif.


Ehhehehe...yeah I shouldve edited a little haha. I'm really not like that. I don't have a problem with NH/SS fans most of the time. I have a TON of web friends who support NH and SS, but they're not the ones who'll come up with anything just to make their couple seem cannon.

@Konan-chan
I really didn't mean to offind anyone. I just copy and pasted those things from a debate thread on some random part of the web. If you want to send me a pm and bash me in return, feel free to do so. I don't have a problem with Hinata, but she just seems...overrated too me. It's not her fault, it's just her fans. But as for Sasuke, not really a big fan of him for what he did. He's a kick A character I'll admit, but everyone has their own opinions smile.gif

Now that that's out of the way, I'll proporly introduce myself.
I'm a pro NS fan, always have been. I was pulled into Naruto whenever it started showing on Cartoonnetwork around five years ago. Guardians of the Cresent moon kingdom is what pulled me into Naruto, and I'm glad it did. I've never really finished the original Naruto (part 1) but I've seen Shippuden clear up to episode 112. However, I'm kind of starting to drop it because of other things going on in my life right now. I'm a writer that's inspired by Kishimoto and got a few good ideas from his manga. My story is similar in a verry twisted kind of way, but it is its own story nonetheless. Well, really, they have only one or two things in common and thats it.

I watch eng dub just because I'm a slow reader, and the sub version just seems so repeated too me. It sounds like they repeat themselves over and over again. But maybe it's just me. Plus I like Sakura's voice in Shippuden. (Personal favorite character biggrin.gif )

anyway, sorry about my first post. I'll be sure to watch what I post from now on. I'm really sorry for not editing them, but I got lazy sweatdrop.gif A writers worst enemy...lazyness lol. Glad to be here.

Oh now that's just mean. Calling me fresh meat with meat on a bone...I hate you guys lol, not really tongue.gif

Edited by Dalton (I stink at names), 29 January 2012 - 05:09 PM.


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Posted 29 January 2012 - 05:13 PM

QUOTE (Kim @ Jan 29 2012, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know, that's interesting. I don't recall Naruto ever saying he loves Sakura, either. I mean, we know he does. He showed it a million times, only he hasn't outright said it(I only remember him saying he liked her in the beginning a few times).
It's also cute how both Naruto and Sai didn't mention the word 'love' during that conversation. But even without that it's obvious what they were talking about.


Allow me to shed some light on that. You see other manga translators can be biased at times. We don't know what to believe because it can be different. However I have the official manga volume of that Moment. according to that Sai says love. No like but Love. More or less spilling Naruto loves Sakura. I have attached the page, i used it to brutally own an NH fan. LOL, no bashing intended.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 10:38 PM

QUOTE (God of All Shinobi @ Jan 29 2012, 10:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Allow me to shed some light on that. You see other manga translators can be biased at times. We don't know what to believe because it can be different. However I have the official manga volume of that Moment. according to that Sai says love. No like but Love. More or less spilling Naruto loves Sakura. I have attached the page, i used it to brutally own an NH fan. LOL, no bashing intended.


I'm not surprise it says love yep we all know that. The problem here is that Naruto's love for Sakura is so strong and selfless that he's willing to let her be with Sasuke if it means she will be happy (although deep in his heart he wants her to fall in love with him by her own free will). According to 474 when Naruto's mental image of team seven shattered I believe the image of the 12 year old Sakura fan girl was shattered as well seeing her as a true grown up woman. I believe he might realized that she doesn't like Sasuke anymore but he still wishes for her to be happy with him because that's his logic of things when it concerns Sakura. His logic that the only one who can make her happy no matter what is Sasuke period we all know that is not true (remembering her expression when she thought of him at 540). We also know that the only one who has made her happy is Naruto and yet he can't see that because of his dumb denial logic that he might not be good enough for her, instead of letting Sakura be the judge of that.

Another issue Naruto won't acknowledge is the fact that Sakura has chosen him over Sasuke he doesn't want to admit that. No matter what lingering feelings she might still have over him she made her decision quickly of who she wanted because I believe she knows her feelings for Naruto are stronger than her feelings for Sasuke. She didn't got any second thoughts or hesitated when she found out that Naruto loves her and that she and Sasuke are causing him pain. It's no longer about the POTLT but Naruto has turn it into a goal to save Sasuke from the hatred and revenge this also affects Sakura seeing positive of his faith that they can be together as the old team seven, yet she's not suffering because of Sasuke but for what Naruto is going through.

Edited by Gravenimage, 30 January 2012 - 12:30 AM.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 12:05 AM

QUOTE (Fenris @ Jan 29 2012, 02:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Whoa that's a long post Dalton. I'll have to read it later. Welcome to H&E btw.

Did anyone notice in 246 that Kushianas hair pull was preciesly similar to Sakura in the forest of death? tongue.gif So sorry for my bad spelling right now, haha. I just woke up/.

Not to mention that it occurred in a cherry blossom forest, and I'm pretty I don't have to tell anyone here what exactly does cherry blossom mean in japanese. You know, sometimes I think the writes just like to mess around with all the pairing fans. XD
I don't remember when was the last time in the history of Naruto that we saw a cherry blossom forest near the village. They could have easily made it into a normal leaf forest, is not like the cherry blossoms were relevant to Kushina's fight, they didn't come randomly to life and attack the genin. But no, it had to be a cherry blossom forest. I do wonder some times if Kishimoto instructs the anime artists to add certain elements into important scenes.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:59 AM

QUOTE (Dalton (I stink at names) @ Jan 28 2012, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I know dry.gif and it's really starting to annoy me too. A lot of NH fans are saying that if Kishi ends the manga with NS then it makes him a bad writer. Uhh...hello? I'm seeing lights on, but no one's answering the door here. If Kishi ends the manga with NH it makes him a bad writer. Let's look at the facts here.

NaruSaku: Sakura: Sakura cares for Naruto as more than just a friend and is willing to do anything to insure his safety. She dosen't want him to get hurt chasing after Sasuke.
Naruto: Well, this one's obviouse. Naruto has loved Sakura from the get go and still does. He may have given up on Sakura ever loving him back, but he still loves her, no matter what NH or SS fans claim. If I recall right, he made it a personal goal to win over Sakura from Sasuke (not talking about episode 235)

NaruHina: 1 sided no development.
Hinata has loved Naruto from the start! She deserves him!
Noo, if anyone Naruto deserves Sakura and that's the end of the story. This is why I support NaruSaku. I posted this on a debate thread somewhere.

Oh my GOD! ENOUGH WITH THE FREAKING "DESERVING" ALREADY! Love is not based on deservance! Get it through your heads! When YOU'RE in a relationship, do you date that person because they "deserve you? NO! Love is something that takes time and needs to have build up. Something NaruSaku has, while no other naruto coupling has. When me and my girlfriend started dating, do you think I took her because of she "deserved" me? I swear I'd punch you square in the mouth if you did (sorry, I'm getting really into this... Not trying to be a total punk here. Just making my point clear) First we became best friends, then we started getting closer and closer in our friendship till finally we I asked her out and she accepted. I don't lover her because she's on the cheerleading team, I don't love her because she's as beutifull as an angle, more so even. What really makes me love her is because she's kind and forgiving, she has a warm heart and will open it up to whoever needs it. It's not about breast size that counts or the rythom that her...um...I'm not going to say that part. What counts is how they treat you and respect you.

Hinata loves Naruto, we get that. but does Naruto love Hinata? This is something that NaruHina fans seem to over look to often. All that counts is Hinata's feelings with most of her fans. While they leave Naruto's feelings out of the line of sight. As well as with any other character.

This is how things look to be going right now.
Sasuke----> no one
Naruto---> Sakura
Hinata---Naruto
Sakura---Sasuke

However, Sakura's feelings seem to also be turning towards Naruto. She's starting to see that Sasuke isn't the same person she thought he was, and is getting over her fan girl crush and moving on to reality.

NaruHina fans...I don't have anything against you... but, STOP MAKING UP EXCUSES!!!!
1: Naruto hates Sakura.
This is a total bunch of BS! Since when has Naruto hated Sakura? Last time I cheked, He loved her more than life its self.

2: Hinata was always there for him when Sakura did nothing.
(Re-reads manga and re-watches show) Where? I don't see her anywhere.

3: Sakura's confession was completly a lie.
Last time I cheked, she said she didn't want to cause Naruto any more harm than she already had. Wouldn't making a fake confession hurt him even more than anything? She knew he loved her, so why would she hurt him more? Thus Kishimoto said Sakura is a TRUTH FULL GIRL.

4: Kishimoto will use a flash back to show that NaruHina happened.
maybe, bnut he could also do a flashback to reviel Naruto is actually a duck. Dosent mean he will though.

5: NaruSaku never existed.
Umm...if NaruSaku never existed...nothing else ever did either. Hate to break it too you.

6: Kushina represents Hinata more than Sakura.
? How? Just how? I'm dying to hear this one.

7: Sakura has never done anything for Naruto.
1: Healing
2: crying
3: worrying constantly
4: Asking Tsunade to train her so she could protect Naruto and wouldn't feel like a burden to him.
5: complaining that she can only do the "little" things for Naruto.
6: Comforting him diring his toughest times.
.........Am I watching a diffrent show? Because this seems like a heck of a lot of nothing to me.

8: Sakura hates Naruto.
Since when? Did she ever tell Naruto their friendship was over when she found out about the nine tails? Did she cry and scream when he turned into the four tails? Did she offer to feed him ramen? did she hug him after the fight with pein? did she confess her love?
all of the above are yes if I remember right.

9: Naruto deserves Hinata.
If anyone, Naruto deserves Sakura! why?
1: puting life and limb on the line everyday for her.
2: putting her feelings before his own.
3: Naruto said it himself that he loves her.
4: Sakura is warming up to Naruto.
Seems good enough to me. Don't know bout you

10: The fourth Hokage is like Hinata.
*Facepalm* you really think this counts? Kushina said find a girl like HER! Not like HIM!

And there was also this one.

Ok, no offince to any NaruHina fan here at all. but I'm just going to point a few things out.

First off, your shipping fans worldwide have gotten way too far out of controll. I don't even know where to begin in this one...maybe i'll start with the threatening Kishimoto for your pairing. Look, I hate to break this onto you like this, but this makes your pairing look like a bunch of loosers who can't get a life. It's Kishi's story, let him write it how he wants to write it. Threatening the writer of the story you're reading/watching is just hands down stupid and makes you look like an idiot. I'm not saying all NaruHina fans are like this, I have a few web friends who are NaruHina supporters and I don't have a problem with them, but your pairing is really starting to piss a lot of people off. Have you not seen these lame ass excuses on Youtube and all over the web? I'm going to list a few things that have really been pissing me off, along with every other NS supporter or neutral fan off.

1: Hinata has become the main female.
Uhm, you're an idiot my friend. Kishimoto has made it verry clear that Sakura is the main female in the serise. you can keep dreaming on because that will never happen. Kishi has even stated it himself, Hinata's too overrated. (not in those words, but it's pretty much the same meening)

2: It's ok for Naruto to stop loving Sakura, but if you say Hinata should stop loving Naruto this makes you a spawn of Satan.

This is nothing more than a pile of freaking dino kitten! This excuse is really annoying to a lot of people. I don't even know where to start describing it! It's ok for Naruto to give up on Sakura? pfft, it won't happen to begin with, so dream on.

3: Hinata is way better than Sakura.
How? Just how is she better than Sakura? What has Hinata done that Sakura obviously hasn't, manga wise that is. I'm not using fillers here at all.
Things Sakura has done
1: Healing
2: crying
3: worrying constantly
4: putting herself before him
5: Risking her life for him.
6: Asking Tsunade to train her so she could protect Naruto and wouldn't feel like a burden too him.
7: She confessed her love for him and Kishi has stated he wanted to make Sakura an HONEST GIRL.

There's probably a lot more than that, and you can't deny those.

Now the things Hinata has done.
1: The moments in the Chunin exams
2: Saving his life.
3: confessing her love.

Hmm, I think Sakura might have her a little out numbered on these.

4: Sakura's too violent towards Naruto.
Ok...really? There is a thing called comedy releaf. Seriously, like you guys arent laughing your heads off whenever she punches him and sends him flying too the moon. Plus, she always only does that in fillers. she has only hit him twice in the manga. Thus she's a Tsunderi (have no idea how to spell that) This is supposed to be natural for her to do this to Naruto.

5: Hinata deserves Naruto.
Hinata deserves Naruto, Hinata deserves Naruto, Hinata deserves Naruto, Hinata deserves Naruto. Where are Naruto's feelings in this? Nowhere. Too many NH fans leave Naruto's feelings out of it and only use Hinata's. Just stop. It's getting really annoying!

6: Hinata has loved Naruto throughout the entire story.
So the hell what? Naruto has lved sakura throughout the entire serise. So that ends that argument right there. Naruto is a main character, meening he gets what he wants. Hinata's a side character who has had her time to shine. That's kind of the main reason Side character's are there is to build up tenssion.

7: Sakura loves Sasuke.
This is partly true. She still has feelings for him, but it's increadibly easy to tell she's not happy with herself. Sasuke was her first crush, something you'll never get over no matter what you try. SS fans claim SS will happen. Oh it'll happen alright...maybe when pigs fly, but it'll happen.
Sasuke has completely destroyed any hope for this couple, no matter what some SS/NH fans say. Stop saying Sasuke is Kishi's favorite character, because he's not. Sasuke is Kishi's favorite character to DRAW! Kishi's favorite character is Naruto, because Naruto is a character to which he could relate to. Sasuke...is not Kishi's favorite character.
SS...may as well be confirmed as dead.

8: Naruto needs to be with Hinata because she conessed first.

Just because someone says they love you dosen't mean you have to love them back. What, is Naruto supposed to just drop all feelings for Sakura and go to Hinata? Well, ask yourself this question. Would you drop all feelings for the girl (boy) you've been chasing for years and go to a person you barely even know? I wouldn't think so. So why is Naruto any diffrent from that?

9: Sakura's ugly.

Oh really? Try reading the manga. Sakura is verry pretty and I'd like to see anyone deny this. Hinata just looks flat down creepy in the manga to me. (That's too me! As in IMO!)

10: Kishimoto is a terrible writer if naruto ends up with Sakura.

Get some glasses, re-watch the show, re-read the manga, learn how to actualy write and start your own book story like I have. Too me, Kishi is a terrible writer if he makes NH or SS happen with how little development they have now. Just a thought.

11: Why make hinat's love seem more intense to Naruto than Sakura's?
That was all the animie team. If it wasn't for the fillers, NaruHina wouldn't even exist as a couple. Kishimoto didn't even intend for Hinata to be this heavily supported. He dosen't understand why everyone hates Sakura but loves Hinata. If you were to read the manga and not watch the anime, it's pretty obviouse NH wasn't even intended to be a couple supported as heavy as it is.

Probably going to get bashed for this. But you know what? I honestly don't care. This is nothing but the truth that NH and SS fans are going to have to wake up to sometime eventualy. (No one here on this site, but the major fangirls on Youtube who are the main reason why I even wrote this.)

I've just...had enogh with some of these fans over youtube. Especialy this VJ87G. He...is honestly an A** hole. Bashing NS supporters for their opinion and wishing death on them. Which makes your pairing look even worse.

As of now I'm not aware of a NaruSaku supporter who is like VJ87G to NaruHina or SasuSaku fans. But i'll keep looking around, so far...I haven't found one.

To those who may have gotten offinded, I'm sorry, but I've just had enough and I had to get this out of my system. Bash me in return because I honestly don't care. i'm annoyed to death from these pathetic excuses.

NS fans, you're welcome.


Yeah...you could say I'm getting annoied by NH/SS fans with their excuses. But I don't have a problem with a lot of them either. I have a few webv friends who support NH and I don't have a problem with them. But the ones over Youtube nd other web places are driving me insane!

If anyone got offinded by those (wouldn't know why since we're all NS fans here.) I'm really sorry.

I'm new here btw in case anyone was wondering biggrin.giflaugh.gif Though I might get kicked off because of those posts. But it was fun biggrin.gif

I completely agree with you, with out the character bashing part. Because of the Site Rules.

Another questiong: Naruto wish to become Hokage, but between the Rookie girls there is onle one that believes Naruto will become an Hokage since Naruto was 12 and that girl is Sakura.
Why Kishi make Stunade and Sakura the only living females that believes in Naruto, completely if his intention was to make Naruto pairs with up Hinata.

I think that Kishi when true a lot to make Sakura do a full 180 from Sasuke to Naruto with out the obvios love part.
But he never make any effort for Naruto to do a 180 from Sakura to Hinata. Making NH and SS a couple to me it will look like this.

Sakura a full selfish (something I really dont see any more) or a shallow fan girl (this Sakura is no longer that)

Naruto 2nd price, loser to Sasuke and his pride, secundary character since the girl feeling have a lot more value even if Naruto was the one that sacrificed himself for everyone els happiness, but who cares is only Naruto right.

Sasuke a complite Out, out, out, of character OOOOC and an hypocrite for wanting to kill everyone including Sakura to later say that he always love her.

Hinata has no value to me, for me her character was only made to had more drama to the love triangle. (SakuNaruSasu)

Edited by donjoseph19, 30 January 2012 - 02:02 AM.


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Posted 30 January 2012 - 04:07 AM

QUOTE (Rocket @ Jan 29 2012, 06:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know, when I think about it, did Naruto ever say that he loves Sakura? I can't actually recall him saying such words. With the flashback where he had a conversation with Sai about his feelings for her, he never *literally* mentioned that he loves Sakura. Even Sai didn't ask if he loves Sakura. Instead he asked Naruto if he has already told Sakura how he feels about her. And what did Naruto say? He didn't say he loves her. Instead, he said that he couldn't keep his promises, therefore, how can he tell her how he feels about her if he can't do something as simple as keeping a friend's promise? That's what he truly said. So really, it was definitely implied that Naruto loves Sakura, backed up with past evidence, but again, I don't ever remember him *actually* saying he loves her.


Probably because it was already obvious that Naruto loved Sakura. There were no words needed. I know 235 was just filler, but it really did shed some light on the whole situation. When Sai asked Naruto, it was implied he loved her too.

QUOTE (God of All Shinobi @ Jan 29 2012, 05:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Allow me to shed some light on that. You see other manga translators can be biased at times. We don't know what to believe because it can be different. However I have the official manga volume of that Moment. according to that Sai says love. No like but Love. More or less spilling Naruto loves Sakura. I have attached the page, i used it to brutally own an NH fan. LOL, no bashing intended.

Whoa! That's great to see. happy.gif

Edited by Fenris, 30 January 2012 - 04:08 AM.

 
 
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Posted 30 January 2012 - 04:10 AM

QUOTE (donjoseph19 @ Jan 29 2012, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I completely agree with you, with out the character bashing part. Because of the Site Rules.

Hahaha, yeah, I was being stupid...again. Won't happen again, just had to get that out of my system somehow. Though I'll probably be apologizing for it forever...

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 04:30 AM

QUOTE (Fenris @ Jan 25 2012, 07:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh, well yeah. Wouldn't her skin come off from the heat of his chakra? I thought I heard something like that before. But if Naruto's tailwhip/her trip hadn't stopped her, I'm sure she would of gotten pretty closer than she did, probably resulting in something fatal, but still gotten closer. A lot of people say Sasuke loves Sakura because she hugged him and it snapped him out of his C2 state. I disagree.


MY POINT EXACTLY. mad.gif Anyways If One Hug was enough to make Sasuke Love Sakura then He should be head over heels for Naruto then. They KISSED rolleyes.gif

QUOTE (Fenris @ Jan 27 2012, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was just watching the 246 episode when Minato lifts Kushina up and jumps into the air to the tree. God, it reminds me so much of Naruto and Sakura and how he saved her. whatthekitten.gif


Unfortunately NH fans will see the kidnapping as a parallel to Hinata's incident Although the MAJOR difference is that her dad saved her NOT Naruto so that sdoesn't work out so well for NH really rolleyes.gif

QUOTE (Dalton (I stink at names) @ Jan 28 2012, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I know dry.gif and it's really starting to annoy me too. A lot of NH fans are saying that if Kishi ends the manga with NS then it makes him a bad writer. Uhh...hello? I'm seeing lights on, but no one's answering the door here. If Kishi ends the manga with NH it makes him a bad writer. Let's look at the facts here.

NaruSaku: Sakura: Sakura cares for Naruto as more than just a friend and is willing to do anything to insure his safety. She dosen't want him to get hurt chasing after Sasuke.
Naruto: Well, this one's obviouse. Naruto has loved Sakura from the get go and still does. He may have given up on Sakura ever loving him back, but he still loves her, no matter what NH or SS fans claim. If I recall right, he made it a personal goal to win over Sakura from Sasuke (not talking about episode 235)

NaruHina: 1 sided no development.
Hinata has loved Naruto from the start! She deserves him!
Noo, if anyone Naruto deserves Sakura and that's the end of the story. This is why I support NaruSaku. I posted this on a debate thread somewhere.

Oh my GOD! ENOUGH WITH THE FREAKING "DESERVING" ALREADY! Love is not based on deservance! Get it through your heads! When YOU'RE in a relationship, do you date that person because they "deserve you? NO! Love is something that takes time and needs to have build up. Something NaruSaku has, while no other naruto coupling has. When me and my girlfriend started dating, do you think I took her because of she "deserved" me? I swear I'd punch you square in the mouth if you did (sorry, I'm getting really into this... Not trying to be a total punk here. Just making my point clear) First we became best friends, then we started getting closer and closer in our friendship till finally we I asked her out and she accepted. I don't lover her because she's on the cheerleading team, I don't love her because she's as beutifull as an angle, more so even. What really makes me love her is because she's kind and forgiving, she has a warm heart and will open it up to whoever needs it. It's not about breast size that counts or the rythom that her...um...I'm not going to say that part. What counts is how they treat you and respect you.

Hinata loves Naruto, we get that. but does Naruto love Hinata? This is something that NaruHina fans seem to over look to often. All that counts is Hinata's feelings with most of her fans. While they leave Naruto's feelings out of the line of sight. As well as with any other character.

This is how things look to be going right now.
Sasuke----> no one
Naruto---> Sakura
Hinata---Naruto
Sakura---Sasuke

However, Sakura's feelings seem to also be turning towards Naruto. She's starting to see that Sasuke isn't the same person she thought he was, and is getting over her fan girl crush and moving on to reality.

NaruHina fans...I don't have anything against you... but, STOP MAKING UP EXCUSES!!!!
1: Naruto hates Sakura.
This is a total bunch of BS! Since when has Naruto hated Sakura? Last time I cheked, He loved her more than life its self.

2: Hinata was always there for him when Sakura did nothing.
(Re-reads manga and re-watches show) Where? I don't see her anywhere.

3: Sakura's confession was completly a lie.
Last time I cheked, she said she didn't want to cause Naruto any more harm than she already had. Wouldn't making a fake confession hurt him even more than anything? She knew he loved her, so why would she hurt him more? Thus Kishimoto said Sakura is a TRUTH FULL GIRL.

4: Kishimoto will use a flash back to show that NaruHina happened.
maybe, bnut he could also do a flashback to reviel Naruto is actually a duck. Dosent mean he will though.

5: NaruSaku never existed.
Umm...if NaruSaku never existed...nothing else ever did either. Hate to break it too you.

6: Kushina represents Hinata more than Sakura.
? How? Just how? I'm dying to hear this one.

7: Sakura has never done anything for Naruto.
1: Healing
2: crying
3: worrying constantly
4: Asking Tsunade to train her so she could protect Naruto and wouldn't feel like a burden to him.
5: complaining that she can only do the "little" things for Naruto.
6: Comforting him diring his toughest times.
.........Am I watching a diffrent show? Because this seems like a heck of a lot of nothing to me.

8: Sakura hates Naruto.
Since when? Did she ever tell Naruto their friendship was over when she found out about the nine tails? Did she cry and scream when he turned into the four tails? Did she offer to feed him ramen? did she hug him after the fight with pein? did she confess her love?
all of the above are yes if I remember right.

9: Naruto deserves Hinata.
If anyone, Naruto deserves Sakura! why?
1: puting life and limb on the line everyday for her.
2: putting her feelings before his own.
3: Naruto said it himself that he loves her.
4: Sakura is warming up to Naruto.
Seems good enough to me. Don't know bout you

10: The fourth Hokage is like Hinata.
*Facepalm* you really think this counts? Kushina said find a girl like HER! Not like HIM!

And there was also this one.

Ok, no offince to any NaruHina fan here at all. but I'm just going to point a few things out.

First off, your shipping fans worldwide have gotten way too far out of controll. I don't even know where to begin in this one...maybe i'll start with the threatening Kishimoto for your pairing. Look, I hate to break this onto you like this, but this makes your pairing look like a bunch of loosers who can't get a life. It's Kishi's story, let him write it how he wants to write it. Threatening the writer of the story you're reading/watching is just hands down stupid and makes you look like an idiot. I'm not saying all NaruHina fans are like this, I have a few web friends who are NaruHina supporters and I don't have a problem with them, but your pairing is really starting to piss a lot of people off. Have you not seen these lame ass excuses on Youtube and all over the web? I'm going to list a few things that have really been pissing me off, along with every other NS supporter or neutral fan off.

1: Hinata has become the main female.
Uhm, you're an idiot my friend. Kishimoto has made it verry clear that Sakura is the main female in the serise. you can keep dreaming on because that will never happen. Kishi has even stated it himself, Hinata's too overrated. (not in those words, but it's pretty much the same meening)

2: It's ok for Naruto to stop loving Sakura, but if you say Hinata should stop loving Naruto this makes you a spawn of Satan.

This is nothing more than a pile of freaking dino kitten! This excuse is really annoying to a lot of people. I don't even know where to start describing it! It's ok for Naruto to give up on Sakura? pfft, it won't happen to begin with, so dream on.

3: Hinata is way better than Sakura.
How? Just how is she better than Sakura? What has Hinata done that Sakura obviously hasn't, manga wise that is. I'm not using fillers here at all.
Things Sakura has done
1: Healing
2: crying
3: worrying constantly
4: putting herself before him
5: Risking her life for him.
6: Asking Tsunade to train her so she could protect Naruto and wouldn't feel like a burden too him.
7: She confessed her love for him and Kishi has stated he wanted to make Sakura an HONEST GIRL.

There's probably a lot more than that, and you can't deny those.

Now the things Hinata has done.
1: The moments in the Chunin exams
2: Saving his life.
3: confessing her love.

Hmm, I think Sakura might have her a little out numbered on these.

4: Sakura's too violent towards Naruto.
Ok...really? There is a thing called comedy releaf. Seriously, like you guys arent laughing your heads off whenever she punches him and sends him flying too the moon. Plus, she always only does that in fillers. she has only hit him twice in the manga. Thus she's a Tsunderi (have no idea how to spell that) This is supposed to be natural for her to do this to Naruto.

5: Hinata deserves Naruto.
Hinata deserves Naruto, Hinata deserves Naruto, Hinata deserves Naruto, Hinata deserves Naruto. Where are Naruto's feelings in this? Nowhere. Too many NH fans leave Naruto's feelings out of it and only use Hinata's. Just stop. It's getting really annoying!

6: Hinata has loved Naruto throughout the entire story.
So the hell what? Naruto has lved sakura throughout the entire serise. So that ends that argument right there. Naruto is a main character, meening he gets what he wants. Hinata's a side character who has had her time to shine. That's kind of the main reason Side character's are there is to build up tenssion.

7: Sakura loves Sasuke.
This is partly true. She still has feelings for him, but it's increadibly easy to tell she's not happy with herself. Sasuke was her first crush, something you'll never get over no matter what you try. SS fans claim SS will happen. Oh it'll happen alright...maybe when pigs fly, but it'll happen.
Sasuke has completely destroyed any hope for this couple, no matter what some SS/NH fans say. Stop saying Sasuke is Kishi's favorite character, because he's not. Sasuke is Kishi's favorite character to DRAW! Kishi's favorite character is Naruto, because Naruto is a character to which he could relate to. Sasuke...is not Kishi's favorite character.
SS...may as well be confirmed as dead.

8: Naruto needs to be with Hinata because she conessed first.

Just because someone says they love you dosen't mean you have to love them back. What, is Naruto supposed to just drop all feelings for Sakura and go to Hinata? Well, ask yourself this question. Would you drop all feelings for the girl (boy) you've been chasing for years and go to a person you barely even know? I wouldn't think so. So why is Naruto any diffrent from that?

9: Sakura's ugly.

Oh really? Try reading the manga. Sakura is verry pretty and I'd like to see anyone deny this. Hinata just looks flat down creepy in the manga to me. (That's too me! As in IMO!)

10: Kishimoto is a terrible writer if naruto ends up with Sakura.

Get some glasses, re-watch the show, re-read the manga, learn how to actualy write and start your own book story like I have. Too me, Kishi is a terrible writer if he makes NH or SS happen with how little development they have now. Just a thought.

11: Why make hinat's love seem more intense to Naruto than Sakura's?
That was all the animie team. If it wasn't for the fillers, NaruHina wouldn't even exist as a couple. Kishimoto didn't even intend for Hinata to be this heavily supported. He dosen't understand why everyone hates Sakura but loves Hinata. If you were to read the manga and not watch the anime, it's pretty obviouse NH wasn't even intended to be a couple supported as heavy as it is.

Probably going to get bashed for this. But you know what? I honestly don't care. This is nothing but the truth that NH and SS fans are going to have to wake up to sometime eventualy. (No one here on this site, but the major fangirls on Youtube who are the main reason why I even wrote this.)

I've just...had enogh with some of these fans over youtube. Especialy this VJ87G. He...is honestly an A** hole. Bashing NS supporters for their opinion and wishing death on them. Which makes your pairing look even worse.

As of now I'm not aware of a NaruSaku supporter who is like VJ87G to NaruHina or SasuSaku fans. But i'll keep looking around, so far...I haven't found one.

To those who may have gotten offinded, I'm sorry, but I've just had enough and I had to get this out of my system. Bash me in return because I honestly don't care. i'm annoyed to death from these pathetic excuses.

NS fans, you're welcome.


Yeah...you could say I'm getting annoied by NH/SS fans with their excuses. But I don't have a problem with a lot of them either. I have a few webv friends who support NH and I don't have a problem with them. But the ones over Youtube nd other web places are driving me insane!

If anyone got offinded by those (wouldn't know why since we're all NS fans here.) I'm really sorry.

I'm new here btw in case anyone was wondering biggrin.giflaugh.gif Though I might get kicked off because of those posts. But it was fun biggrin.gif


I agree dude. happy.gif But the problem is that some NH fans will never listen no matter how Blatant the evidence is. Now as for some of you confusion regarding NH fans' views on Sakura and Hinata: First they Say Sakura is ugly not because she looks ugly but because she's not GIRLY in their opinion. She has a fiery temper and sometimes slugs Naruto (much more so in the anime , thanks to that anime team). dry.gif So they are just being sexist, saying she has no "feminine" charm, and think Tsunderes aren't sweet and shouldn't get the GOOD GUY. I don't think Hinata's creepy, just not Naruto's type. Why do you ask fans LOVE Hinata but hate Sakura? Well same reason as above and the fact that the anime team are HUGE Hinata fans so they give her an unnecessary amount of moe ( Japanese term for cute girl that gives one an instinct to hug and hold her and protect her). Again anime team's fault, so basically They're saying they want Hinata's happiness which they assume is with Naruto Just because Hinata is the anime's "fan service" girl. dry.gif

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Jan 29 2012, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not surprise it says love yep we all know that. The problem here is that Naruto's love for Sakura is so strong and selfless that he's willing to let her be with Sasuke if it means she will be happy (although deep in his heart he wants her to fall in love with him by her own free will). According to 474 when Naruto's mental image of team seven shattered I believe the image of the 12 year old Sakura fan girl was shattered as well seeing her as a true grown up woman. I believe he might realized that she doesn't like Sasuke anymore but he still wishes for her to be happy with him because that's his logic of things when it concerns Sakura. His logic that the only one who can make her happy no matter what is Sasuke period we all know that is not true (remembering her expression when she thought of him at 540). We also know that the only one who has made her happy is Naruto and yet he can't see that because of his dumb denial logic that he might not be good enough for her, instead of letting Sakura be the judge of that.

Another issue Naruto won't acknowledge is the fact that Sakura has chosen him over Sasuke he doesn't want to admit that. No matter what lingering feelings she might still have over him she made her decision quickly of who she wanted because I believe she knows her feelings for Naruto are stronger than her feelings for Sasuke. She didn't got any second thoughts or hesitated when she found out that Naruto loves her and that she and Sasuke are causing him pain. It's no longer about the POTLT but Naruto has turn it into a goal to save Sasuke from the hatred and revenge this also affects Sakura seeing positive of his faith that they can be together as the old team seven, yet she's not suffering because of Sasuke but for what Naruto is going through.


Naruto's just too obsessed with Sasuke to see it that's all. rolleyes.gif But I feel the same way buddy. happy.gif


QUOTE (Rocket @ Jan 29 2012, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah but the SN kiss wasn't necessarily in that way. Remember it was that kid who bumped Naruto into Sasuke while he was crouching on the table.


I know. yes.gif I'm just saying that to show how silly it is that One physical touch would make some one fall in love unless it's some sappy fairy tale love story rolleyes.gif

Edited by Phantom_999, 30 January 2012 - 04:40 AM.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 04:37 AM

QUOTE (Phantom_999 @ Jan 30 2012, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
MY POINT EXACTLY. mad.gif Anyways If One Hug was enough to make Sasuke Love Sakura then He should be head over heels for Naruto then. They KISSED rolleyes.gif

Yeah but the SN kiss wasn't necessarily in that way. Remember it was that kid who bumped Naruto into Sasuke while he was crouching on the table.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 06:08 AM

Still, for an accident - it had more development for SN than SS ever will. rolleyes.gif
 
 
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Posted 30 January 2012 - 06:56 AM

Here is a question: Does Naruto know that Sai told Sakura how he feels about her? And so, how would he react if he finds out? And as seen in 458, how did Sakura never notice that Naruto loved her all along?

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 08:33 AM

QUOTE (Dragunov @ Jan 30 2012, 02:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Here is a question: Does Naruto know that Sai told Sakura how he feels about her? And so, how would he react if he finds out? And as seen in 458, how did Sakura never notice that Naruto loved her all along?

Sakura, at the very least, was aware that Naruto thought she was pretty and that he liked her but she probably assumed that his feeling didn't run so deep. She probably thought that the level of Naruto's feeling were on par with Lee's, just good old fashion infatuation, and that he wasn't that serious about them. It's only after Sai tells her that Naruto truly loves her that Sakura realizes that his feeling for her are very strong, before that she probably though that he could easily get bored with liking her and move on to someone else.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 10:29 AM

QUOTE (Kim @ Jan 30 2012, 01:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think Naruto knows what Sai told her. He must have figured it out because what else would make Sakura come to him so suddenly? And it think it was obvious when Sai tried to explain to him what Sakura tried to do with the confession that he was involved in the whole thing.
As for the rest of the question, I'm just going to agree with redragon88.

But Sai never said that he told Sakura that Naruto loved her. He only said that he might have caused the reaction. If Naruto did pick up on the fact that Sakura is aware of his feelings, why didnt he work things out with her afterwards?

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 11:48 AM

QUOTE (Dragunov @ Jan 30 2012, 06:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But Sai never said that he told Sakura that Naruto loved her. He only said that he might have caused the reaction. If Naruto did pick up on the fact that Sakura is aware of his feelings, why didnt he work things out with her afterwards?


That is something Kishi is keeping away from readers since the confession day they hasn't been any Naruto and sakura interaccion and none of the two ever think about it again, when we all the readers know that the confession was a big deal, many say that she has feeling for him they only need to be clear, others that doesn't like this pairing say that Naruto is over Sakura after that confession and the realization of her feelings and starting to love Hinata, plus Naruto hate Sakura now. So yes that confession is a big deal.

But we also know Kishi is traying very hard for readers to keep thinking that the Romance is still same.
Sasuke>>>>>revenche
Naruto>>>>>>Sakura
Hinata>>>>>>Naruto
Sakura>>>>>Sasuke

When his own manga IMO is no longer the same, after chapter 450 Hinata has not been the same around Naruto and Sakura care about Naruto a lot more than what she cares about Sasuke.

Just an example if she have to choose between him and Naruto again who need to live and who need to die we all know Naruto will live he means a lot more to Sakura.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:04 PM

@Dalton's long post
...*slowly claps, then cheers*
There were a few notable mistakes that have already been pointed out, but in general, that was an outstanding post. Well done.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 02:10 PM

After Naruto find out about Hinata's feelings and Sakura about Naruto's feelings we only see two things.

1- Naruto show a lot more respect about Hinata and I'm sure he feels very gracefull.

2- Sasuke he call her annoying and only tell her thanks because she say that she will scream, 2 1/2 is another story but at the end he still doesn't care.

3- Sakura could feel gracefull that Naruto love and hurt that he is doing so much to see her happy, but no it only kill her with grief and she was the only one that try to do something about those feeling.

In the manga we all see how much Sakura cares about Naruto is a lot more than what Naruto care for Hinata and 1,000 more than what Sasuke cares about her.

Why people say that NaruSaku has more chance than NaruHina.
is because NaruSaku has a lot more focus in the Manga, also because Naruto care a lot more about Sakura than what he ever care for Hinata and thats a fact.

Sakura likes Sasuke, but she care a lot more about Naruto his dreams his feeling his safety.

Besides since part two I never seen Sakura thinking about Sasuke the way she think about him before, she accept that she likes him but not that she wish to be with him, only that she will like to see Team 7 smile again.
Who knows maybe Sakura thinks she is not deserving of Naruto's feeling because off all the things she put him true and all the things she has done to him, and Naruto maybe feels that he is not deserving of Sakura's feeling because he could not keep a promise to her. Chater 457 pg 12 and chapter 459 pg 14.

What will happen if Naruto tells her why he was not more open about his feeling, I think Sakura at some point will ask him, then what will happen if Sakura tells him why she deosn't thinks she deserves his love.

1- Naruto doesn't keep any grudge against anyone, Why keep it only for Sakura? if he likes her before why will he hate her when he knows the reason why she confess and again Naruto doesn't keep any grudge against anyone.
Rimenber Minato and the Fox, Iruka try to manipulate him too does he hate them?

2- Sakura try to drop her hope to be with Sasuke many times, what will happen if Naruto tells her why he was never open about his feeling
- because of the promise and the other reason because he wish to see her happy again even if that is with Sasuke on not him.

Does are the things I always think about thats way I feel NaruSaku has more chance to become canon.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 03:04 PM

QUOTE (donjoseph19 @ Jan 30 2012, 06:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
After Naruto find out about Hinata's feelings and Sakura about Naruto's feelings we only see two things.

1- Naruto show a lot more respect about Hinata and I'm sure he feels very gracefull.

2- Sasuke he call her annoying and only tell her thanks because she say that she will scream, 2 1/2 is another story but at the end he still doesn't care.

3- Sakura could feel gracefull that Naruto love and hurt that he is doing so much to see her happy, but no it only kill her with grief and she was the only one that try to do something about those feeling.

In the manga we all see how much Sakura cares about Naruto is a lot more than what Naruto care for Hinata and 1,000 more than what Sasuke cares about her.

Why people say that NaruSaku has more chance than NaruHina.
is because NaruSaku has a lot more focus in the Manga, also because Naruto care a lot more about Sakura than what he ever care for Hinata and thats a fact.

Sakura likes Sasuke, but she care a lot more about Naruto his dreams his feeling his safety.

Besides since part two I never seen Sakura thinking about Sasuke the way she think about him before, she accept that she likes him but not that she wish to be with him, only that she will like to see Team 7 smile again.
Who knows maybe Sakura thinks she is not deserving of Naruto's feeling because off all the things she put him true and all the things she has done to him, and Naruto maybe feels that he is not deserving of Sakura's feeling because he could not keep a promise to her. Chater 457 pg 12 and chapter 459 pg 14.

What will happen if Naruto tells her why he was not more open about his feeling, I think Sakura at some point will ask him, then what will happen if Sakura tells him why she deosn't thinks she deserves his love.

1- Naruto doesn't keep any grudge against anyone, Why keep it only for Sakura? if he likes her before why will he hate her when he knows the reason why she confess and again Naruto doesn't keep any grudge against anyone.
Rimenber Minato and the Fox, Iruka try to manipulate him too does he hate them?

2- Sakura try to drop her hope to be with Sasuke many times, what will happen if Naruto tells her why he was never open about his feeling
- because of the promise and the other reason because he wish to see her happy again even if that is with Sasuke on not him.

Does are the things I always think about thats way I feel NaruSaku has more chance to become canon.


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Posted 30 January 2012 - 03:41 PM

QUOTE (donjoseph19 @ Jan 30 2012, 10:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sakura likes Sasuke, but she care a lot more about Naruto his dreams his feeling his safety.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 04:09 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jan 30 2012, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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I agree. There's definitely two different levels of love there.
I used the word love for Sakura to Sasuke because I'll at least acknowledge it for this post to make sense.
While she may love Sasuke, she cares a lot more about Naruto and protecting him from being hurt like donjoseph said. That's love even if she doesn't realize it yet.
 
 
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