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[DattebayoXShannaro]

Soooo, heres the pic of Sakura with her hair pushed back. Didn't feel like scanning so I used my phone. Quick sketch took me about 5 minutes to draw. Like or no?

 

Great Job, StiderC.  I'm envious you can draw something like this in a short amount of time

 

Once they defeat Obito i belive there will be?  then Minato some how vanishes

 

NaruHina fans say  he will meet Hinata , is this possible?

 

No, just wishful thinking on their part.

 

This is amazing!  Sakura looks gorgeous like this!  You are amazingly talented!

 

I think any of the following are possible for the next NS moment:

 

1.  ObiRin/NaruSaku parallel is confirmed.

2.  Either Naruto or Sakura get hurt and the other reacts

3.  Infinite Tsukiyomi is cast successfully, and Sakura's feelings are explored, showing or at least hinting Naruto is the one her heart truly desires

 

I don't know that we'll get more parallels, but I could easily see Minato's parting words commenting something about NaruSaku.

 

Sure its possible, anything is possible.  But is is likely?  Not really.  For what purpose would Kishimoto have Minato meet Hinata?  To have him realize she's similar to himself?  That's pointless, because (aside from the fact that Hinata and Minato really aren't similar in the first place) the foreshadowing is that Naruto is going to end up with a girl like Kushina, not a girl like Minato.  To have him realize she also is like Kushina?  If he was going to do that, then why bother having him realize that Sakura is like Kushina earlier?

 

There simply isn't any point to it now that he's already used Minato to confirm that Sakura is the girl like Kushina, and since Naruto already told his dad that Sakura was more or less his girlfriend.

 

I could not agree more at the bolded.  I mean, I do still expect the ObiRin parallel to be confirmed, but aside from that, I really just want some positive and significant interaction between Naruto and Sakura more than anything.  I want to see these two characters themselves display affection for one another, or fight side by side with one another.

 

This is something else I couldn't agree more with.  The excuses and denial of what's plain on the manga's face is trying me crazy.  This is one of the many reasons I want to see Naruto confess so badly - once Naruto does it, no one can argue that Naruto's love for Sakura is just a crush, or that he's moved on, or that he's confused, or any of the above.  No more denial that Naruto loves Sakura (or at least, an incredibly lowered amount of denial).

 

I really want to see these two things addressed as well, not to mention Sakura's own feelings for Naruto.  Flashbacks or revisitations of scenes like Yamato's speech would be nice as well, though if its revealed Sakura loves Naruto, and has been in love with him for a while without realizing it herself, the romantic interpretation of Yamato's words will pretty much be proven correct on its own.

 

And yes, there will always be twisting unfortunately, but as you essentially said, that's pretty much unavoidable.  For me, if any of the above events happen, I will be too busy celebrating and enjoying canon to worry about what haters will have to say.

 

At the bolded, please yes!  I would love to see that! 

 

Well, Sasuke protected Sakura in chapter 632 along with Naruto, and Sakura looked really happy and either had dirt on her face or blushed (either way it doesn't matter - there was a HUGE debate on which it was) while saying Sasuke's name, and Naruto got a bit jelly, but Sakura pretty much told him it wasn't a big deal.

 

Then in 633 Hinata remembered holding Naruto's hand, and thought how Naruto has continued to improve himself, and how she wanted to stay by his side forever, and how she will move forward too, even if its only one step at a time.  Some (mainly NH/SS fans) take this to mean Hinata wants to marry Naruto, but context suggests that its just about her wanting to keep up with Naruto powerwise and keep moving forward just as he always is.

 

Then in chapter 635 Sai asked what Sakura thought about the current Sasuke situation, and though Sakura told him she was happy Sasuke was back and that she trusted him, she gave Sai a huge fake smile, to which Sai thought, "Your words may not be a lie, but that smile is fake."

 

Other than that, nothing pairing related has happened.

 

Even confirmation won't stop them.  They'll just say Naruto is in denial and hate on him and the author for making him that way.  Sad, but true.

 

You know what... I can't help but think about what Shikamaru's implication will be in this Team 7 romantic subplot... This idea just popped out my head after writing a short analysis on Shikamaru's observe on both of the ships, so to speak...

 

Has Shikamaru even noticed the possible relationship between Naruto and Sakura?  I mean he knew Sakura had a crush on Sasuke, but everyone knew that.

 

Okayyyyyy. Older Naruto here. I think he'd look badass with some longer hair. Like mix between his dad, and J man somewhat
I also liked Mennas look so I used elements. From there. What do you all think before I put this and Sakura together? :)

 

Again, good job!

 

Sooo...it has been a while since I was last here. I just recently got into reading the Naruto manga (starting clear all the way from chapter 1) I've kind of skipped around and looked at some of the chapters that everyone's talking about. Chapters like 540, 631 and so on.

 

I used to be a NH fan, but then I started reading the manga. I've gotten pretty far, but I've still got a way to go. I'm...kind of ashamed with my old fanbase to tell the truth. I used to support NH just because it seemed to be what the anime was going for. Turns out I was b*tch slapped in the face when I started reading the manga. I never saw how...'corrupt'? That's not the right word, but anyway, I never knew how wrong the anime actually is. Hinata is...well...useless according to the manga, whereas the anime makes Sakura look like the useless one. This ticked me off quite a bit. It just amazes me how Periot has blinded so many people and made the pairing war what it is now. I'm only a little past Hinata's confession and it's clear as day to me now that NS is the end game!

 

Note to self: If I ever draw a manga series, don't let Periot animate it.

 

I think if Kishi was a little more strict with his studio, we wouldn't have such a giant bashing war going on. Things have gotten way too out of hand. I heard a rumor that there was a guy who bashed a NS supporter's friends in the military just because he liked Sakura. Well, good-bye NH fanbase, I won't be seeing you ever again!

 

Trust me, I was same as well.  Then, I started the anime again and read the manga once I reached part 2,  I noticed the changes as well.  It really made me wonder what Pierot was trying to do.  Not even things pairing related, but plot scenes as well.  The Ebisu vs. Pain scene is quite different in the anime from the manga version.  Also, Kishimoto doesn't have any control over the anime.  Rumor has it that he doesn't even watch it. He only worked with the studio on the Road to Ninja movie, where he was greatly involved.

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 15 September 2013 - 02:32 AM.

[Darkness]

@StriderC

 

Wow man, you drawing is really good. Naruto's older version looks very close to what I had in mind. 

Sooo...it has been a while since I was last here. I just recently got into reading the Naruto manga (starting clear all the way from chapter 1) I've kind of skipped around and looked at some of the chapters that everyone's talking about. Chapters like 540, 631 and so on.

 

I used to be a NH fan, but then I started reading the manga. I've gotten pretty far, but I've still got a way to go. I'm...kind of ashamed with my old fanbase to tell the truth. I used to support NH just because it seemed to be what the anime was going for. Turns out I was b*tch slapped in the face when I started reading the manga. I never saw how...'corrupt'? That's not the right word, but anyway, I never knew how wrong the anime actually is. Hinata is...well...useless according to the manga, whereas the anime makes Sakura look like the useless one. This ticked me off quite a bit. It just amazes me how Periot has blinded so many people and made the pairing war what it is now. I'm only a little past Hinata's confession and it's clear as day to me now that NS is the end game!

 

Note to self: If I ever draw a manga series, don't let Periot animate it.

 

I think if Kishi was a little more strict with his studio, we wouldn't have such a giant bashing war going on. Things have gotten way too out of hand. I heard a rumor that there was a guy who bashed a NS supporter's friends in the military just because he liked Sakura. Well, good-bye NH fanbase, I won't be seeing you ever again!

 

Yo! Welcome to H&E buddy!

It is always nice to see people from other fandoms joining our community.

 

About your former fandom, what really makes them shameful is not their personal preferences, but rather how the majority have chosen to make their approach. Instead of organized conversations all I can see is hate, absolutism and denial beyond imagination, specific Anti-pairing threads where as opposed to debating why a couple makes sense, they bash the concurrence. Sigh~.

 

Anyway, I didn't know the anime is confusing people towards NH. I remember reading somewhere on a NH forum a debate about a possible NS ending in the anime instead of NH because how differently they show NS in the anime. It is interesting that your case is the exact opposite.

[Fairy Tail Fantard]

Trust me, I was same as well.  Then, I started the anime again and read the manga once I reached part 2,  I noticed the changes as well.  It really made me wonder what Pierot was trying to do.  Not even things pairing related, but plot scenes as well.  The Ebisu vs. Pain scene is quite different in the anime from the manga version.  Also, Kishimoto doesn't have any control over the anime.  Rumor has it that he doesn't even watch it. He only worked with the studio on the Road to Ninja movie, where he was greatly involved.

Yeah, I think Periot is a little too power hungry or something. I'm kind of wondering what he's going to do after NS is official. Is he going to screw around with it and make it seem worse than it really was? Or is he going to have Hinata standing close to them so the NH fanbase can continue with their rants?

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Well, they seem to be NaruSaku fans now, or they always were, just giving NaruHina a chance.

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 15 September 2013 - 02:43 AM.

[morgaine4]

I think if Kishi was a little more strict with his studio, we wouldn't have such a giant bashing war going on. Things have gotten way too out of hand. I heard a rumor that there was a guy who bashed a NS supporter's friends in the military just because he liked Sakura. Well, good-bye NH fanbase, I won't be seeing you ever again!

 

I have heard (well read) that the pairing-wars and pairing-bashing is an issue with the Western fandom and not as much a problem in Japan or in other Asian  countries, so I don't think this is something Kishimoto has to worry about.  Apparently there's also less over-all Sakura hate in the East than in the West, so I often wonder what it is in the West that has caused the issue.  Is it a cultural misunderstanding?  Is it because in the West many watch the anime first, and then read the manga?  Is it something else?  A combination of factors?  Is it related to the Western/Puritan hatred of pink?

 

I always felt that yes the anime extended Hinata's character and the NH relationship, but not too much.  I really do think that to a large extent there is some sort of cultural disconnect, like in the West we often associate romance (especially in fiction) with the big moments, the large gestures, and pay a little less attention to the development of the foundation of a relationship.

Edited by morgaine4, 15 September 2013 - 02:48 AM.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Western/ Puritan hatred of pink? What's that?

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 15 September 2013 - 02:49 AM.

[Fairy Tail Fantard]

@StriderC

 

Wow man, you drawing is really good. Naruto's older version looks very close to what I had in mind. 

 

Yo! Welcome to H&E buddy!

It is always nice to see people from other fandoms joining our community.

 

About your former fandom, what really makes them shameful is not their personal preferences, but rather how the majority have chosen to make their approach. Instead of organized conversations all I can see is hate, absolutism and denial beyond imagination, specific Anti-pairing threads where as opposed to debating why a couple makes sense, they bash the concurrence. Sigh~.

 

Anyway, I didn't know the anime is confusing people towards NH. I remember reading somewhere on a NH forum a debate about a possible NS ending in the anime instead of NH because how differently they show NS in the anime. It is interesting that your case is the exact opposite.

I actually try and stay as far away from forums as possible. Let me put it this way: I was actually more 'neutral' with the pairing wars, but I leaned towards NH. I've always liked Sakura and I laugh every time she sends Naruto flying. I went to a NH fandom site one time, saw the Sakura bashing, and just noped the hell outa there.

 

I can only take so much Sakura bashing, and I actually have to smile when I see someone bashing Hinata because she's so freaking overrated for pretty much nothing. People bash Sakura for hitting Naruto...she has hit him...Gee I dunno, maybe eight times in the entire manga so far? Bashing her for that gets pretty old. My first anime was Fairy Tail (hence my name) and Lucy and Erza always make me laugh. Sakura is no different. The things some of the bashers come up with is just...are we even watching the same anime?

 

I completely agree with you on the NH fandom!

[Darkness]

I have heard (well read) that the pairing-wars and pairing-bashing is an issue with the Western fandom and not as much a problem in Japan or in other Asian  countries, so I don't think this is something Kishimoto has to worry about.  Apparently there's also less over-all Sakura hate in the East than in the West, so I often wonder what it is in the West that has caused the issue.  Is it a cultural misunderstanding?  Is it because in the West many watch the anime first, and then read the manga?  Is it something else?  A combination of factors?  Is it related to the Western/Puritan hatred of pink?

 

I believe it's mostly the difference between cultures. 99% of all Sakura haters agree with bashing her based on a unanimous reason: she hits Naruto. While in Japan this is commonly viewed as something fun and possibly even a way of showing affection, in the west people insist to say it is abuse. What can we do...

[deviouslyChaotic]

 

I have heard (well read) that the pairing-wars and pairing-bashing is an issue with the Western fandom and not as much a problem in Japan or in other Asian  countries, so I don't think this is something Kishimoto has to worry about.  Apparently there's also less over-all Sakura hate in the East than in the West, so I often wonder what it is in the West that has caused the issue.  Is it a cultural misunderstanding?  Is it because in the West many watch the anime first, and then read the manga?  Is it something else?  A combination of factors?  Is it related to the Western/Puritan hatred of pink?

A possible reason as to why Sakura gets more hate in the west is because the western audience is not as accustomed to a tsundere type character compared to those in the East. I believe Japan appreciates tsunderes since they're so used to seeing a wide variety of these types of characters appear in various animes whereas in the west, these types of characters are shunned possibly because they're not used to them and therefore cannot understand or appreciate the character type. So yes, it may very well have to do with cultural difference.

[Fairy Tail Fantard]

 

I have heard (well read) that the pairing-wars and pairing-bashing is an issue with the Western fandom and not as much a problem in Japan or in other Asian  countries, so I don't think this is something Kishimoto has to worry about.  Apparently there's also less over-all Sakura hate in the East than in the West, so I often wonder what it is in the West that has caused the issue.  Is it a cultural misunderstanding?  Is it because in the West many watch the anime first, and then read the manga?  Is it something else?  A combination of factors?  Is it related to the Western/Puritan hatred of pink?

 

I always felt that yes the anime extended Hinata's character and the NH relationship, but not too much.  I really do think that to a large extent there is some sort of cultural disconnect, like in the West we often associate romance (especially in fiction) with the big moments, the large gestures, and pay a little less attention to the development of the foundation of a relationship.

But you never see bashing on other females. Erza from Fairy Tail for example. She punches Natsu and Grey IN A FULL SUIT OF ARMOR! I'd take a Sakura punch rather than a mouth full of steel! At least Sakura's only wearing gloves.....

[morgaine4]

Western/ Puritan hatred of pink?

 

That was kind of supposed to be a joke.  The Puritans in the US (often incorrectly referred to as the Pilgrims) apparently hated pink because as a combination of white and red, it could represent purity/innocence (white) being overtaken by sin (red).  That was just supposed to be a joke.

 

 

 

I believe it's mostly the difference between cultures. 99% of all Sakura haters agree with bashing her based on a unanimous reason: she hits Naruto. While in Japan this is commonly viewed as something fun and possibly even a way of showing affection, in the west people insist to say it is abuse. What can we do...

 

 

A possible reason as to why Sakura gets more hate in the west is because the western audience is not as accustomed to a tsundere type character compared to those in the East. I believe Japan appreciates tsunderes since they're so used to seeing a wide variety of these types of characters appear in various animes whereas in the west, these types of characters are shunned possibly because they're not used to them and therefore cannot understand or appreciate the character type. So yes, it may very well have to do with cultural difference.

 

Which is funny, because in the West we have our own version of this.  The who "woman hits man, and it's uses as a beat of physical comedy" isn't completely foreign to the West either.

 

But culturally I can see how this would be important.  I can't speak for Japan specifically, but I do kno wthat in a number of Asian cultures there's an idea that if a woman loves and trusts a man she'll feel comfortable enough to scold him, to hit him, to discipline him.  Woman -----> Man it's a sign of a close bond, Man -------> Woman a sign of an abuse of power.

 

 

But you never see bashing on other females. Erza from Fairy Tail for example. She punches Natsu and Grey IN A FULL SUIT OF ARMOR! I'd take a Sakura punch rather than a mouth full of steel! At least Sakura's only wearing gloves.....

 

I think it can also be related to SS, Sakura is bashed and slut-shamed quite a bit by both the rival pairing fandoms in the West when it is implied that Sakura's feelings might change.  (Though the notion of Naruto's feelings being changed doesn't get him slut-shamed, ugh double standards, though he's bashed when it seems he won't change his feelings).  I think there's a bit of fear, tbh.

 

Plus, I'm not familiar with Fairy Tale or many other manga to be honest, but I have heard several people call Sakura a "different sort of Shounen heroine" and while I'm not quite sure as to why that is, I do think that Sakura is a relatively complex character --at least in terms of this manga.  She's very introspective, she's constantly changing (she began changing since the chapter she was introduced), she's slowly changing (just as slow as NS has developed).  It's really hard to miss how much Sakura has changed, especially if one doesn't go back an read/analyze the manga by volume (at least by volume).  This is the girl who was immediately able to realize "is this how Naruto feels" when Sasuke called her annoying, and tried to change her actions even then (though, she wasn't all that successful at it at first).  This is the girl who at 12 was so self-involved that she forgot the lonliness of being an orphan, but who (unlike most other characters, including and especially Hinata) knew by the begining of part 2 that Naruto's greatest fear is loneliness, his greatest sadness is when he feels alone.  She's a subtle character, a gradual character, a complex character, it takes some effort to understand her, and I guess some people don't want to put in the effort (and I don't judge, there's nothing wrong with that, to each zher own after all).

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't know that we'll get more parallels, but I could easily see Minato's parting words commenting something about NaruSaku.

 

This is something else I couldn't agree more with.  The excuses and denial of what's plain on the manga's face is trying me crazy.  This is one of the many reasons I want to see Naruto confess so badly - once Naruto does it, no one can argue that Naruto's love for Sakura is just a crush, or that he's moved on, or that he's confused, or any of the above.  No more denial that Naruto loves Sakura (or at least, an incredibly lowered amount of denial).

To be honest, it's still possible because Minato is on a roll with comparisons and nostalgic factors. In fact, this whole battle has been that so far. Have you noticed how much comparison was drawn with Naruto and others. Who is to say there won't be more. Make no mistake, there will be more and don't be surprise if there is. Minato is well alive (in edo way), so don't underestimate this man who got bad names for his jutsus. I still think Rasengan is named by someone else.

 

The time of denial is almost done. Whoever gets Rin, it gets the win. It all matters in the end and if the OVA moment happens, NS wins without a doubt. NS got this running and SS is the only one left standing. It's like game of Chess, where the player keeps moving the king, but the other player is already lock-in with pawn, it's just the one-move gameplay prevents the inevitable defeat. The time is almost here.

 

Sooo...it has been a while since I was last here. I just recently got into reading the Naruto manga (starting clear all the way from chapter 1) I've kind of skipped around and looked at some of the chapters that everyone's talking about. Chapters like 540, 631 and so on.

 

I used to be a NH fan, but then I started reading the manga. I've gotten pretty far, but I've still got a way to go. I'm...kind of ashamed with my old fanbase to tell the truth. I used to support NH just because it seemed to be what the anime was going for. Turns out I was b*tch slapped in the face when I started reading the manga. I never saw how...'corrupt'? That's not the right word, but anyway, I never knew how wrong the anime actually is. Hinata is...well...useless according to the manga, whereas the anime makes Sakura look like the useless one. This ticked me off quite a bit. It just amazes me how Periot has blinded so many people and made the pairing war what it is now. I'm only a little past Hinata's confession and it's clear as day to me now that NS is the end game!

 

Note to self: If I ever draw a manga series, don't let Periot animate it.

 

I think if Kishi was a little more strict with his studio, we wouldn't have such a giant bashing war going on. Things have gotten way too out of hand. I heard a rumor that there was a guy who bashed a NS supporter's friends in the military just because he liked Sakura. Well, good-bye NH fanbase, I won't be seeing you ever again!

Welcome aboard. Don't worry, many have felt the same way you have.

 

Well, they seem to be NaruSaku fans now, or they always were, just giving NaruHina a chance.

Actually, they have been a fan for a long time now. It's just part 2 is finally the time to go all Fairy Tail anime on it. Well, minus the fanservice. I have never seen a pairing get that much love than anything else. Well to be fair, when it comes to anime, they love to boost the relationship scenes much more than the original and this is not only for Naruto. It's just in general. Love sells and I'm happy it's NS.

[deviouslyChaotic]

 

That was kind of supposed to be a joke.  The Puritans in the US (often incorrectly referred to as the Pilgrims) apparently hated pink because as a combination of white and red, it could represent purity/innocence (white) being overtaken by sin (red).  That was just supposed to be a joke.

 

 

 

 

 

Which is funny, because in the West we have our own version of this.  The who "woman hits man, and it's uses as a beat of physical comedy" isn't completely foreign to the West either.

 

But culturally I can see how this would be important.  I can't speak for Japan specifically, but I do kno wthat in a number of Asian cultures there's an idea that if a woman loves and trusts a man she'll feel comfortable enough to scold him, to hit him, to discipline him.  Woman -----> Man it's a sign of a close bond, Man -------> Woman a sign of an abuse of power.

 

 

 

I think it can also be related to SS, Sakura is bashed and slut-shamed quite a bit by both the rival pairing fandoms in the West when it is implied that Sakura's feelings might change.  (Though the notion of Naruto's feelings being changed doesn't get him slut-shamed, ugh double standards, though he's bashed when it seems he won't change his feelings).  I think there's a bit of fear, tbh.

 

Plus, I'm not familiar with Fairy Tale or many other manga to be honest, but I have heard several people call Sakura a "different sort of Shounen heroine" and while I'm not quite sure as to why that is, I do think that Sakura is a relatively complex character --at least in terms of this manga.  She's very introspective, she's constantly changing (she began changing since the chapter she was introduced), she's slowly changing (just as slow as NS has developed).  It's really hard to miss how much Sakura has changed, especially if one doesn't go back an read/analyze the manga by volume (at least by volume).  This is the girl who was immediately able to realize "is this how Naruto feels" when Sasuke called her annoying, and tried to change her actions even then (though, she wasn't all that successful at it at first).  This is the girl who at 12 was so self-involved that she forgot the lonliness of being an orphan, but who (unlike most other characters, including and especially Hinata) knew by the begining of part 2 that Naruto's greatest fear is loneliness, his greatest sadness is when he feels alone.  She's a subtle character, a gradual character, a complex character, it takes some effort to understand her, and I guess some people don't want to put in the effort (and I don't judge, there's nothing wrong with that, to each zher own after all).

Bolded. Wow, that's so interesting! I never knew that about Asian culture.

About the slut-shaming thing, I never understood why people did that to Sakura. They sure do use the term "slut" rather loosely... just because someone's feelings may change over time they're automatically labeled as a slut? Unbelievable. I find their slut-shaming to be beyond irritating and their way of justifying their claims to be even more irritating. I find this problem in other fandoms as well. It's a shame that this is such a reoccurring issue :\.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I just want to share this in here. I just want to let everyone here see in case some missed out. Note: this is not a bashing post, rather bringing up a point.

 

You know, I just found out about the posts here just now and I got to say, you guys are making me feel like opening a tumblr today. While posts are great, there is something that I want to put my two cents. To be honest, I think nothing too much has changed for Sakura with Sasuke as in love growing strong. It's more like it's always the same level. Think about it. Why Ino was shown the similar reaction as to say her love is deep as well. Whether it is deep or not, the point is Sakura's love didn't grow, only sadness did.

Here's the thing. Sakura is a type of girl that is serious about being in a relationship and whenever she actually tried to show care and what not, Sasuke harmed her. She was hurt more and more to the point even Naruto finds it hard to watch. So she's serious about love but Sasuke is the wrong guy to do that. In fact, the movie said it all. Think about it, if she's not serious, wouldn't she just end with the other fangirls instead walk out? She was serious but it's the other half that's not serious. It's like in one anime where one girl is serious about having a relationship but the other guy is a pervert, so it just won't work out. That's Sakura in a nutshell. Trying to go for a real legit relationship with a wrong guy. Heck even in comedy does it like best to be girlfriend level but when marriage was brought up the guy was like "Ah crap..."

As for Naruto...do I need to say anything?

[deviouslyChaotic]

I just want to share this in here. I just want to let everyone here see in case some missed out. Note: this is not a bashing post, rather bringing up a point.

 

You know, I just found out about the posts here just now and I got to say, you guys are making me feel like opening a tumblr today. While posts are great, there is something that I want to put my two cents. To be honest, I think nothing too much has changed for Sakura with Sasuke as in love growing strong. It's more like it's always the same level. Think about it. Why Ino was shown the similar reaction as to say her love is deep as well. Whether it is deep or not, the point is Sakura's love didn't grow, only sadness did.

Here's the thing. Sakura is a type of girl that is serious about being in a relationship and whenever she actually tried to show care and what not, Sasuke harmed her. She was hurt more and more to the point even Naruto finds it hard to watch. So she's serious about love but Sasuke is the wrong guy to do that. In fact, the movie said it all. Think about it, if she's not serious, wouldn't she just end with the other fangirls instead walk out? She was serious but it's the other half that's not serious. It's like in one anime where one girl is serious about having a relationship but the other guy is a pervert, so it just won't work out. That's Sakura in a nutshell. Trying to go for a real legit relationship with a wrong guy. Heck even in comedy does it like best to be girlfriend level but when marriage was brought up the guy was like "Ah crap..."

As for Naruto...do I need to say anything?

Bolded. That's a really good way to explain Sakura's dilemma. I never really though of it that way! :)

Also, I know I said this before, but getting a tumblr is a good idea. You don't even have to post anything. Simply following other blogs and browsing the tags in their entirety is enough. It's a good way to look at other people's opinions on things and it's a good way to voice your own.

 

On another note; Do you guys think SS is 100% dead, or should we be expecting a few more SS "moments" before NS becomes a canon paring?

[morgaine4]

Bolded. Wow, that's so interesting! I never knew that about Asian culture.

About the slut-shaming thing, I never understood why people did that to Sakura. They sure do use the term "slut" rather loosely... just because someone's feelings may change over time they're automatically labeled as a slut? Unbelievable. I find their slut-shaming to be beyond irritating and their way of justifying their claims to be even more irritating. I find this problem in other fandoms as well. It's a shame that this is such a reoccurring issue :\.

 

It's definitely more complicated than the way in which I've presented it, obviously Asia is a HUGE continent, which huge numbers of cultures and traditions, and there are definitely situations and cultures in which it's considered a man's job to discipline his wife.  But often that has to do with age, in many Asian cultures (not all) the ideal is that the husband is older than the wife and as her *elder* he has this duty to teach her, but that's all about duty.  When a woman disciplines/scolds/smacks a male, it's a sign of love because she knows she can trust him enough to discipline him without having to worry if he's an abusive individual who will fight back, and the thing is that is extremely apparent with Naruto and Sakura's relationship.  Naruto is more powerful than Sakura, he could do a lot more damage to Sakura than she can to him (though, Sakura would be able to put up a bigger fight than most other ninja --male or female), but he knows that she means well (he never had parents to teach him etiquette, after all...and I have heard that in Japanese culture like in some other Asian cultures a wife is thought to be taking over a mother's job in some ways), and she knows he won't retaliate.  She's not a afraid of him, and in a lot of Asian cultures (and this might not be applicable to Japanese culture, but could be a reason why Sakura and NS are more accepted in non-Japanese Asian cultures), and in extremely gendered cultures a woman's lack of fear of her male significant other is a sign of an extremely deep, safe, trusted relationship.

 

 

On another note; Do you guys think SS is 100% dead, or should we be expecting a few more SS "moments" before NS becomes a canon paring?

 

I think NH is pretty much dead, I do think there will be more Hinata and more NH moments, but for all intents and purposes it's dead.  SS, OTOH, isn't dead yet.  I think Sakura needs some sort of closure in terms of her remaining feelings for Sasuke.  It's been shown that she's unhappy with her romantic feelings for Sasuke, that on some level she wants to move on, and I think for that to happen she has to realize that she no longer has romantic feelings for Sasuke.

 

I actually think as written SS was always a bigger threat to NS than NH.  Had it been written differently, had there been an inkling that Naruto's feelings might be changing than I'd have thought NH is a bigger threat, but as written Sakura's feelings for Sasuke prevent her from realizing her feelings for Naruto (from even considering what her feelings for Naruto are), and Sakura's feelings for Sasuke combined with Naruto's absolute adoration and extreme protective nature of Sakura drives him to see the (non-existant in canon IMO) "beauty" of this relationship.  Because Naruto respects Sakura, because he puts her happiness above her own (*ahem* just like she does with Naruto's happiness *ahem*), there's a .1% chance that Naruto would move aside if he thought Sakura would be happy with Sasuke (if he though Sasuke would return Sakura's feelings, and Naruto adores Sakura so much that I don't think he understands that a guy wouldn't take the opportunity to be with her).

 

Ugh, now I'm in a mushy mood, but I could see a scenario in which Naruto confesses to Sakura right before he battles Sasuke (just so he can confess to her, in case he doesn't make it), only to have Sasuke realize his path towards redemption is through Naruto and they become bff again, only to have Sakura running to the two of them, calling both of their names...Naruto having a bittersweet smile, moving aside/away (as he did in the hospital), closing his eyes/turning away to give them privacy, only to have Sakura tackle Naruto (or just hug him).  It would cover all the bases, cover all the parallels, have Naruto be the utmost-loyal guy, loving Sakura so much that he's willing to let her go, while also allowing Sakura to make the choice that Tsunade couldn't, that Rin wasn't given the opportunity to...though of course, I'm terrible at this predicting game, so it probably won't happen.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Bolded. That's a really good way to explain Sakura's dilemma. I never really though of it that way! :)

Also, I know I said this before, but getting a tumblr is a good idea. You don't even have to post anything. Simply following other blogs and browsing the tags in their entirety is enough. It's a good way to look at other people's opinions on things and it's a good way to voice your own.

 

On another note; Do you guys think SS is 100% dead, or should we be expecting a few more SS "moments" before NS becomes a canon paring?

I am opening one soon. I am just doing some cleanup job then on to the tumblr. I want to make time. I will share this in there in bigger note. Thanks for the feedback.

 

Well, there are people that believes it is dead already, but I am a guy who wants to play safe, so I would say it's not dead but the nice moment will happen AFTER the pairing is dead. In other words, it could happen but in a friendly term from this point forward. It won't be like the feeding scene, the hug, the flirt, the ultimate cliffhanger for Sakura to realize her love for Naruto and more. It will be the NH of the Sakura's side, all friendly. Yes, Hinata thinks in a higher tone than Naruto, but it's still friendly because well, pretty much it's established that way. Right now, it's really bad timing because Sasuke is still dark, he's becoming more jealous, and his focus is really Naruto first, everything else is back 500th place.

[Jake]

A possible reason as to why Sakura gets more hate in the west is because the western audience is not as accustomed to a tsundere type character compared to those in the East. I believe Japan appreciates tsunderes since they're so used to seeing a wide variety of these types of characters appear in various animes whereas in the west, these types of characters are shunned possibly because they're not used to them and therefore cannot understand or appreciate the character type. So yes, it may very well have to do with cultural difference.

 

I don't think that it's just that westerners don't under Tsunderes because IchiRuki is also popular in the west, and among NaruHina fans, also Shinji x Asuka is more popular then Shinji x Rei, and Asuka is much more abusive towards Shinji both physically and mentally then Sakura is to Naruto.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
I don't think that it's just that westerners don't under Tsunderes because IchiRuki is also popular in the west, and among NaruHina fans, also Shinji x Asuka is more popular then Shinji x Rei, and Asuka is much more abusive towards Shinji both physically and mentally then Sakura is to Naruto.

Hard to say because I remember Love Hina being praised here. Around this time, it's mixed now. It's all about the new crowd. Eva seems for hardcore anime fans. IchiRuki has no one loving who, so it's "all good".

[Fenris]

NH is friendzoned and NS is still building up to possible ultimate win.

And welcome back. :)

Friendzoned. I like the sound of that.

 

What made it friendzoned? Last time i was here it was a debate on if Naruto was liking Hinata cause he saved her all the time, or something like that.

Edited by Fenris, 15 September 2013 - 04:36 AM.