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Posted 23 January 2012 - 05:39 PM

QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Jan 23 2012, 06:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Speaking of which, I uploaded the raw of 540 and asked a Japanese member on a forum if he could translate it again, to see if the mangastream/other scans were accurate. Here's what he came up with:

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The Love letter man :….well actually, its tasteless of a rejected man to pry into the man of your heart, yes....
I get it…I go now…!
Sakura:....
Sorry about that.
The Love letter man:I wish you good luck with him.
for he's someone you love….he must be a fine, good person.
Sakura recalling the 'good person': …..
The Love letter man: sign....

Wow, that's actually a bit different than most of the translations I've seen. The idea seems to be the same, but it's interesting how the wording is so different than the official manga volumes and MR/MS translations. Japanese really must be a complicated language, if we're still seeing different translations of the same page from months ago. It makes you wonder how so many other scenes from the manga would look if given to different translators...

Thanks for that translation, AzureWaters! happy.gif

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I also asked what he thought of the context, and if he believed Sakura was really feeling ashamed.
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its a shame that sasuke is not the nice guy the loveletterman imagined and he could have been by rights.
but that doesnt mean sakura is ashamed for him. shes feeling sad about him and her love which seems hopeless.


He's in no way a pairing fan btw. He just helps with chapter and spoiler scripts when they come out mostly.

I guess that's all well and good for him that he thinks that way, but at the end of the day, it's still an opinion. Being from the same country as the source material would definitely help understand the context better, and would obviously help with translation problems (mainly because he wouldn't have to translate it for himself tongue.gif), but I really doubt the scene was written with some obvious undertone that only Japanese fans can understand. In fact, one of our own Japanese-speaking members had this to say on that 540 scene.
QUOTE (narunarunaru @ Aug 28 2011, 10:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, I do believe that chapter 540 is the start of her overcoming the lingering feelings of Sasuke(as she looked ashamed that Sasuke was the guy she liked, and he's not the great guy).

I think that's probably the theory I like the most. It really is a clear parallel to MinaKushi. MinaKushi became a reality because Minato was the only one who complimented on Kushina's physical insecurity and made her to love it. If Naruto can make Sakura love her own forehead, she will realize what a great guy Naruto is to acknowledge her for who she is.

He posted that on this thread a couple months ago (and also almost 150 pages ago; crap, this thread moves fast). If narunarunaru is reading this, sorry for singling you out. I guess my point is that, regardless of familiarity with the source country or material, opinion's aren't going to be identical.

Of course, I'd say that point goes both ways. I'm not discounting the possibility that Sakura only thought about Sasuke because she 'used to love him', but I don't think that's the obvious conclusion either. I've mentioned it before, but I really do think that the 540 panel that gave so many of us a headache will be addressed again. Saying that you love someone and thinking of that person with darkness and flames in the background isn't exactly the most definitive way to confirm a pairing, at least IMO. tongue.gif

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 05:56 PM

QUOTE (Boom...Winning @ Jan 23 2012, 05:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, that's actually a bit different than most of the translations I've seen. The idea seems to be the same, but it's interesting how the wording is so different than the official manga volumes and MR/MS translations. Japanese really must be a complicated language, if we're still seeing different translations of the same page from months ago. It makes you wonder how so many other scenes from the manga would look if given to different translators...

Thanks for that translation, AzureWaters! happy.gif



He's in no way a pairing fan btw. He just helps with chapter and spoiler scripts when they come out mostly.

I guess that's all well and good for him that he thinks that way, but at the end of the day, it's still an opinion. Being from the same country as the source material would definitely help understand the context better, and would obviously help with translation problems (mainly because he wouldn't have to translate it for himself tongue.gif), but I really doubt the scene was written with some obvious undertone that only Japanese fans can understand. In fact, one of our own Japanese-speaking members had this to say on that 540 scene.

He posted that on this thread a couple months ago (and also almost 150 pages ago; crap, this thread moves fast). If narunarunaru is reading this, sorry for singling you out. I guess my point is that, regardless of familiarity with the source country or material, opinion's aren't going to be identical.

Of course, I'd say that point goes both ways. I'm not discounting the possibility that Sakura only thought about Sasuke because she 'used to love him', but I don't think that's the obvious conclusion either. I've mentioned it before, but I really do think that the 540 panel that gave so many of us a headache will be addressed again. Saying that you love someone and thinking of that person with darkness and flames in the background isn't exactly the most definitive way to confirm a pairing, at least IMO. tongue.gif


Exactly.
She could of very well thought of Sasuke of who she used to love, as in a "What was I thinking" type of thing.
 
 
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Posted 23 January 2012 - 09:57 PM

QUOTE (Fenris @ Jan 23 2012, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Exactly.
She could of very well thought of Sasuke of who she used to love, as in a "What was I thinking" type of thing.


That panel was clear there s no going around it, she was not ashamed that Sasuke was the guy she liked,
we all know Sakura we know she still act like they to have a relation when Sasuke clearly dump her.
She was Sad I can also sey not happy about her feelings for Sasuke she try to stop loving him but she fail.
That doesn't mean that she wants to run back to him or have a future with him, but she still like him.

But Kishi use this Sasuke to show the readers that after all what happen Sakura still has feelings for this Sasuke, not the little Sasuke her dream prince. Why Sakura still hold this feeling becuase Naruto give her hope again.

Trust me if Kishi forget Naruto's confession the manga will end SS NH
Naruto is the key to win her heart over if they are honest with each other.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 12:10 AM

QUOTE (Boom...Winning @ Jan 23 2012, 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, that's actually a bit different than most of the translations I've seen. The idea seems to be the same, but it's interesting how the wording is so different than the official manga volumes and MR/MS translations. Japanese really must be a complicated language, if we're still seeing different translations of the same page from months ago. It makes you wonder how so many other scenes from the manga would look if given to different translators...

Thanks for that translation, AzureWaters! happy.gif



He's in no way a pairing fan btw. He just helps with chapter and spoiler scripts when they come out mostly.

I guess that's all well and good for him that he thinks that way, but at the end of the day, it's still an opinion. Being from the same country as the source material would definitely help understand the context better, and would obviously help with translation problems (mainly because he wouldn't have to translate it for himself tongue.gif), but I really doubt the scene was written with some obvious undertone that only Japanese fans can understand. In fact, one of our own Japanese-speaking members had this to say on that 540 scene.

He posted that on this thread a couple months ago (and also almost 150 pages ago; crap, this thread moves fast). If narunarunaru is reading this, sorry for singling you out. I guess my point is that, regardless of familiarity with the source country or material, opinion's aren't going to be identical.

Of course, I'd say that point goes both ways. I'm not discounting the possibility that Sakura only thought about Sasuke because she 'used to love him', but I don't think that's the obvious conclusion either. I've mentioned it before, but I really do think that the 540 panel that gave so many of us a headache will be addressed again. Saying that you love someone and thinking of that person with darkness and flames in the background isn't exactly the most definitive way to confirm a pairing, at least IMO. tongue.gif


Actually, the trans is pretty spot on to MangaStream's, which goes like this:
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Lovenin: ...well, it'd be pretty uncouth to start prying into who this other guy is, so I guess I'll get going...

Sakura: .........
I'm sorry...

Love Nin: Hope it works out for you
He must be a really great guy if you're in love with him

Sakura: "........"remembers 'great guy.'

Love Nin: Man...



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The Love letter man :….well actually, its tasteless of a rejected man to pry into the man of your heart, yes....
I get it…I go now…!
Sakura:....
Sorry about that.
The Love letter man:I wish you good luck with him.
for he's someone you love….he must be a fine, good person.
Sakura recalling the 'good person': …..
The Love letter man: sign....


Pretty much the same wording. You also have to understand that translators sometimes try to make the wording more smoother for English speakers. You can see that they say just about the same thing, but the wording flows better in the top quote. Still, the latter version is more correct in specific/literal terms.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 04:26 PM

QUOTE (BabyVee @ Jan 24 2012, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I apologize for butting in and I'm REALLY sorry if this topic has been talked about to death already but something just occurred to me.

I was debating with an NaruHina fan and she/he kept bringing up that Naruto's reaction to Sakura's confession was bad because he should've been overjoyed to hear it.

So I pointed out the obvious, he blushed at first and he never outright said he didn't like Sakura anymore(even when she asked him to). But also in my reply, I got to really thinking about why Naruto acted the way he did and this is what I came up with:

Copy/Paste from argument!





So in order to incite debate...

one) Is my interpretation plausible?

two) Assuming it is, do you think had Naruto been a bit more clear-minded(or had Sakura confessed at any other time) his reaction would've been different? You don't have to say HOW he would react. Just wanna know if you think his reaction would've been different.

Again sorry if this has been discussed a lot before and I'm just bringing up old news!








very logical points. The NH fandom was delighted Naruto "rejected" Sakura. until someone pointed out that does not mean he hates her. Also add in the fact after the confession Naruto only thought of Her crying for Sasuke and look at the pictures, they are all outdated. As in all pre ship. Also one of the pics is from the bench scene. Even naruto admits it is a key event in Sakura's lovelife.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 06:16 PM

QUOTE (God of All Shinobi @ Jan 24 2012, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
very logical points. The NH fandom was delighted Naruto "rejected" Sakura. until someone pointed out that does not mean he hates her. Also add in the fact after the confession Naruto only thought of Her crying for Sasuke and look at the pictures, they are all outdated. As in all pre ship. Also one of the pics is from the bench scene. Even naruto admits it is a key event in Sakura's lovelife.

Exactly. Naruto had A LOT going on in that time of place about Sasuke, then hearing Sakura talk about Team7 (Which is obviously very important to him) like that, as in the words: "I don't care about Sasuke anymore" probably got to him emotionally. Like: "Everything is falling apart." Thus the picture of Team7 cracking in his mind
 
 
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Posted 24 January 2012 - 09:52 PM

QUOTE (BabyVee @ Jan 24 2012, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@God of All Shinobi

Thank you!



Yeah it was the first time I ever really thought about it(didn't become a NaruSaku fan until recently sweatdrop.gif. Before I was just neutral towards it). And now I am much MORE hopeful NaruSaku will happen if that's the case. In recent chapters Naruto has been sounding so much more mature(specifically when he greeted Sakura after saving her and

Told Kurama that we was his comrade. I thought he sounded so much like a Hokage!

So maybe if another confession is said, then we'll get positive results?

Also while we are on the confession topic I found this funny picture that speaks the truth. It's not in English but I think it's pretty clear what it's about tongue.gif.

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It made me lol. I hope it's not considered bashing though. If it is I'll take it down.

Its not bashing, and good find.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 10:14 PM

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Do you guys think that the reason why Naruto never address his mon req about the girl, is because he think that the person he love can only love Sasuke and he doesn't want to make an enty promiss to his mother.

Think about it why will Naruto address everything els but not that part, when it is very clear that the girl is (Sakura) there is no other girl similar to Kushina is this Manga.

Hinata love him and he knows that now, he could easily mention her name or think about her he was easy for him to make that promise to Kushina, I think that Naruto doesn't love Hinata, he only loves Sakura but he need to be sure that he can win her heart before he can make that promise to his mon.

So I think that Kishi is telling the readers that Naruto will pick Sakura, when he is sure that she is over Sasuke.

What you guys think

Edited by donjoseph19, 25 January 2012 - 12:29 AM.


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Posted 24 January 2012 - 11:30 PM

QUOTE (BabyVee @ Jan 24 2012, 09:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
one) Is my interpretation plausible?

two) Assuming it is, do you think had Naruto been a bit more clear-minded(or had Sakura confessed at any other time) his reaction would've been different? You don't have to say HOW he would react. Just wanna know if you think his reaction would've been different.

I think it's plausible. happy.gif There were definitely other factors at play that would have affected his mental state.

However, if Sakura confessed before Naruto learned about the Uchiha Clan Massacre, I think he still would have had a hard time accepting it. The news shocked him, and probably put him on the defensive about maintaining his old Team 7 dynamic, but he still had that old picture of Sakura fan-girling over Sasuke in his head before that. So I'm guessing he would still deny that she was over Sasuke, no matter when it happened before that.
Of course, I doubt he'd turn her down if she accepted a date proposal from him. I just think a full-out love confession would blow his mind, no matter what else was at play prior to 469.

QUOTE (donjoseph19 @ Jan 24 2012, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Question


Do you guys think that the reason why Naruto never address his mon req about the girl, is because he think that the person he love can only love Sasuke and he don't want to make enty promiss to his mother.

Why will Naruto address everything els but not that part, when it was clear that the girl is (Sakura) there is no other girl like Kushina is this Manga.
Hinata love him and he know that now, he could mention her name or think about her he was easy for him to make that promise to Kushina, but Naruto doesn't love Hinata, he loves Sakura but he need to be sure that he can win her heart before he can make that promise to his mon.

So I think that Kishi is telling the readers that Naruto will pick Sakura, when Naruto is sure that she is over Sasuke.

What you guys think

I also thought that was weird (read as suspicious pictureem0.gif). Naruto pretty much recited every other part of Kushina's dying speech, but he left out the "find a girl.." part. I think there's a good chance Kishi left that out due to whatever he's planning to do to end the love triangle. From a reader's perspective (well...most readers' perspectives) it's pretty obvious what Kishi was implying. However, if Naruto were to flat out confirm it in the story, that would be it. Unless Naruto were to think about both Sakura and Hinata for some reason while contemplating Kushina's words, or neither of them, it would basically confirm who Naruto is in love with, and probably Kishi's chosen pairing by extension (if Kishi isn't planning to have Naruto sacrifice himself, I really can't see him NOT succeeding).
Anyways, I think there's a good chance that whole spiel might be brought up again somehow, after Kishi does whatever it is he's planning to do to resolve the manga's romantic issues.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 11:44 PM

QUOTE (donjoseph19 @ Jan 24 2012, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Question


Do you guys think that the reason why Naruto never address his mon req about the girl, is because he think that the person he love can only love Sasuke and he don't want to make enty promiss to his mother.

Why will Naruto address everything els but not that part, when it was clear that the girl is (Sakura) there is no other girl like Kushina is this Manga.
Hinata love him and he know that now, he could mention her name or think about her he was easy for him to make that promise to Kushina, but Naruto doesn't love Hinata, he loves Sakura but he need to be sure that he can win her heart before he can make that promise to his mon.

So I think that Kishi is telling the readers that Naruto will pick Sakura, when Naruto is sure that she is over Sasuke.

What you guys think


i just thought it was because...it would be too obvious that narusaku would win biggrin.gif so kishi let it open :3

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 01:49 AM

QUOTE (Sakura Lover @ Jan 24 2012, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Its not bashing, and good find.


A very good find indeed tongue.gif That's very true. His reaction was anything but happy when Hinata confessed to him. It was more like the picture said: "Like, what?" With Sakura, he was happy, blushing, and looked shocked. Those are the expressions of finding out someone you love, loves you too. I've had people that I didn't love romantically confess to me, and I didn't blush and get all happy. On the other hand, I've had people I've loved confess to me, and I had the same reaction Naruto had. Pure happiness, shock, and then questioning. Think about it, if the girl of your dreams suddenly decided to confess her love to you, I'd have a bit of questioning. As in, "um, why me?" Naruto's dream girl. Anywayyy...

QUOTE (Boom...Winning @ Jan 25 2012, 12:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think it's plausible. happy.gif There were definitely other factors at play that would have affected his mental state.

However, if Sakura confessed before Naruto learned about the Uchiha Clan Massacre, I think he still would have had a hard time accepting it. The news shocked him, and probably put him on the defensive about maintaining his old Team 7 dynamic, but he still had that old picture of Sakura fan-girling over Sasuke in his head before that. So I'm guessing he would still deny that she was over Sasuke, no matter when it happened before that.
Of course, I doubt he'd turn her down if she accepted a date proposal from him. I just think a full-out love confession would blow his mind, no matter what else was at play prior to 469.


I also thought that was weird (read as suspicious pictureem0.gif). Naruto pretty much recited every other part of Kushina's dying speech, but he left out the "find a girl.." part. I think there's a good chance Kishi left that out due to whatever he's planning to do to end the love triangle. From a reader's perspective (well...most readers' perspectives) it's pretty obvious what Kishi was implying. However, if Naruto were to flat out confirm it in the story, that would be it. Unless Naruto were to think about both Sakura and Hinata for some reason while contemplating Kushina's words, or neither of them, it would basically confirm who Naruto is in love with, and probably Kishi's chosen pairing by extension (if Kishi isn't planning to have Naruto sacrifice himself, I really can't see him NOT succeeding).
Anyways, I think there's a good chance that whole spiel might be brought up again somehow, after Kishi does whatever it is he's planning to do to resolve the manga's romantic issues.


Omg I was wondering that too! But yeah, it's obvious he left it out for that reason. Not to spoil the pairings, that is. The subplot would be non suspicious if that happened. I think the whole 235 filler made up for that, even though it is filler.
 
 
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Posted 25 January 2012 - 03:37 AM

It was really pure shock really. Can't say he wasn't surprised. Not that I'm a NH shipper but trying to disprove how genuine Hinata's feelings for Naruto or Sakura's for Sasuke are is missing the point. They are there and are real in some form or another, so we can't do anything about it.Yeah I've said it's shallow but after self reflecting, I can't say that they weren't real either because their actions say that they care a lot about Naruto and Sasuke, shallow feelings or not. As long as Naruto and Sakura's feelings for each other are much stronger than either of those hypotenuses, and they eventually realize and talk about it, That's what matters most, no? smile.gif

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 03:43 AM

QUOTE (Fenris @ Jan 24 2012, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A very good find indeed tongue.gif That's very true. His reaction was anything but happy when Hinata confessed to him. It was more like the picture said: "Like, what?" With Sakura, he was happy, blushing, and looked shocked. Those are the expressions of finding out someone you love, loves you too. I've had people that I didn't love romantically confess to me, and I didn't blush and get all happy. On the other hand, I've had people I've loved confess to me, and I had the same reaction Naruto had. Pure happiness, shock, and then questioning. Think about it, if the girl of your dreams suddenly decided to confess her love to you, I'd have a bit of questioning. As in, "um, why me?" Naruto's dream girl. Anywayyy...



Omg I was wondering that too! But yeah, it's obvious he left it out for that reason. Not to spoil the pairings, that is. The subplot would be non suspicious if that happened. I think the whole 235 filler made up for that, even though it is filler.


I heard many saying that the Manga may end NaruSaku but the Anime NaruHina, but there is no way the Anime can end NaruHina anymore.
After 235 I have no doubt that the Anime will end NaruSaku Naruto was very, very selfless, they show him has the hero with a big heart. Now Naruto is the main character there is no way to ignore a main character feeling to hook in up will some one he doesn't Love.
He say that he wish to be with Sakura and nothing will make hime more Happy if she choose him so how can you write Sakura breaking his heart at the end off this Anime.

Bisides if you look at the way the Anime Team is presenting Hinata now you will notice a difference, Hinata came from a very shy girl to a full Fan girl that was desperate in to see Naruto in episode 232.



QUOTE (Phantom_999 @ Jan 24 2012, 11:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It was really pure shock really. Can't say he wasn't surprised. Not that I'm a NH shipper but trying to disprove how genuine Hinata's feelings for Naruto or Sakura's for Sasuke are is missing the point. They are there and are real in some form or another, so we can't do anything about it.Yeah I've said it's shallow but after self reflecting, I can't say that they weren't real either because their actions say that they care a lot about Naruto and Sasuke, shallow feelings or not. As long as Naruto and Sakura's feelings for each other are much stronger than either of those hypotenuses, and they eventually realize and talk about it, That's what matters most, no? smile.gif


Yes that's true sadly the others doesn't want to accept that Naruto still love Sakura and Sakura has showing more genuine feelings towards Naruto, more than what Naruto>>>>>Hinata or Sasuke>>>>>>>>Sakura has ever shown. In fact Sasuke hate Sakura and Naruto only respect Hinata.

Edited by donjoseph19, 25 January 2012 - 03:53 AM.


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Posted 25 January 2012 - 07:35 AM

Sorry to change the topic, but, anyone up for a argument? I'll tackle this when I wake back up.
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What I would say to NaruSaku fans
NaruSaku fans: Naruhina sucks it's never gonna happen. Naruto will end up with Sakura because they're ment to be!
Me: If they were meant to be then why did Sakura only like him when he became a hero? Why did Sakura always hang around Sasuke not giving a damn about Naruto? Who loved Naruto ever since they were little? Hinata. Who defended him when Pein was going to kill him? Hinata. Who confessed their love first? Hinata. Then what did Sakura do? She was to busy obsessing over Sasuke. Then she tries to act tough and try to kill him. Then who saved her? Naruto. I don't know about you but I think that Hinata loves Naruto WAYYYY more than Sakura.
NaruSaku fans: .....
Me: That's right b*tch.

 
 
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Posted 25 January 2012 - 01:50 PM

QUOTE (Fenris @ Jan 25 2012, 08:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry to change the topic, but, anyone up for a argument? I'll tackle this when I wake back up.




Well, Firstly its not how much he person loves, it how thew other person also feels. Naruto has shown 0 interest romantically towards Hinata. Hinata jumping right in was plain stupid despite The hyuga next to her telling her not to. ON top of that she made no attempt to free Naruto, she knew she could not face pein. but the most she could do was try to free Naruto. Further more Sakura would have jumped in, but she was unaware of what was going on (I will provide the chapter later), She was attending to Tsuande. Hinata was standing around doing crap. Further more love is not someone that can be found in an instant. Jiriaya's crush on Tsuande turned out to be true love. Same can be said to Naruto. Sakura ALWAYS liked him (friend wise or other we don't know). She cried for him when she thought of him dying. And she cared enough to try and stop him from hurting himself in 4 tails form. Further more Yamato thinks Sakura likes Naruto and so does Sai. Sakura tried to kill Sasuke. But put Hinata in the same spot as her and Naruto in Sasuke's position, then tell me. Could Hinata do it?
Kishimoto has given plenty of examples of Love. But he sticks t that format.

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 01:54 PM

QUOTE (Fenris @ Jan 25 2012, 10:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry to change the topic, but, anyone up for a argument? I'll tackle this when I wake back up.
What I would say to NaruSaku fans
NaruSaku fans: Naruhina sucks it's never gonna happen. Naruto will end up with Sakura because they're ment to be!
Me: If they were meant to be then why did Sakura only like him when he became a hero? Why did Sakura always hang around Sasuke not giving a damn about Naruto? Who loved Naruto ever since they were little? Hinata. Who defended him when Pein was going to kill him? Hinata. Who confessed their love first? Hinata. Then what did Sakura do? She was to busy obsessing over Sasuke. Then she tries to act tough and try to kill him. Then who saved her? Naruto. I don't know about you but I think that Hinata loves Naruto WAYYYY more than Sakura.
NaruSaku fans: .....
Me: That's right b*tch.

i'm tired of the same arguments of NH fans. almost all of them say the same thing if you see the threads on the intenet dry.gif . first, sakura didn't like naruto when he bacame a hero, she begins to develop strong feelings for him from the beginning of shippuden and even in the last season of naruto classic and it's very obvious and if someone denies it he/she don't want narusaku to happen. secondly, if he/she is talking about sakura hang around sasuke and not caring for naruto from the classic one,well... he/she should already know that it was child and immature crush (which anyone has it) for sakura's part like ino and yes it has grown to be infatuated with him but it has always been refuted from sasuke and this kind of thing that has such two characters in that way in manga or anime don't have a future relation or whatever romantic thing together and if he/she is talking about shippuden sakura is not willing to be with sasuke she is just remembering her first crush when it's brought up and feeling bad of what he has became and still confused about feelings that she still has for him which it's proven many times in the manga and anime. thirdly, hinata loved naruto from the start of the series but if naruto did not ever love her or even being interested in some way in her then NO, it isn't an excuse to bash people. fourth, the famous confession of hinata, which it's great for her to confess finally and tried to defend naruto from pein and naruto knew her love for him but there isn't any response to her love from him from a long time means that we know it won't be there any talk between them about it which means just something passing through or it will be talked about it in the future and they will clarify that they will only remain friends, nothing going to happen and especially not having any romantic or moments between them in the series is most worse thing for it to be a naruhina ending. fifth, confessing at first doesn't mean at all that they will be together and actually the confessing of hinata ( i'm talking now by the circumstances of how the characters are and how the series is going now ) to be the first is the closure for the over blushing and fainting part of hinata cause the chapters after the confession hinata isn't acting anymore as she always acted before when naruto is around, she is being very neutral when he's present and that doesn't mean she doesn't love him anymore, hinata still love naruto but it's like decreasing slowly which is related to the acting part of her after the confession. sixth, he/she asked a question that is very similar to the second question plus for acting though and tried to kill him and the answer is a part in the second answer which if kakashi haven't been able to save her on time then of course naruto is the one who saves her, he won't let her die and same thing she would do for naruto.
sakura is aware of her feelings for naruto but she still in a kind of maze in this part, she did everything that proves she loves him, she had risked her life to save him and worries and think of him and many other things that we see it in many chapters. she just don't fully show it because her personality isn't the same as hinata's personality and kishi has of course a big role in doing so for the romantic part in the story like every other writer who wants the story to continue in a way that is simple and not in a hurried way.

Edited by T XD, 25 January 2012 - 02:18 PM.


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Posted 25 January 2012 - 03:15 PM

QUOTE (Fenris @ Jan 25 2012, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry to change the topic, but, anyone up for a argument? I'll tackle this when I wake back up.


Sakura liked him way before he defeated pein like when he turned into 4 tails, or when he had just come back from the 3 yrs. Sakura only hung around sasuke when she was still really young and probably just cared for sasuke's "looks" and "dark personality". I also doubt that Hinata has "loved" naruto ever since they were little, he was more like a crush. Also, the confession of love and protection, Hinata was the only one aware of what was going on due to her byakugan and knew when naruto was in danger. After rereading chapter 437, Hinata's "confession" feels more like she's referring to Naruto as a role model, not as a romantic partner. BTW when was she obsessing with sasuke after? All i read was this:
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Chapter 451 page 4 Bottom left:
Naruto: There's so much I wanna tell Tsunade
Sakura: Dont worry, I'm sure she'll wake up soon,She's the hokage after all, shes a strong woman, she'll be fine.
Sakura(thinks):Why am i trying to cheer him up? I'm the one that needs cheering up, Naruto......
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And lastly, Sakura decided to try and kill sasuke by herself because she didn't want to HURT Naruto. Of course she couldn't do it because she didn't want to give up on the the dream of having the old Team 7 back grouphug.gif . Then she got saved by Naruto, HERO STYLE! wow.png so yeah

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 09:03 PM

QUOTE (God of All Shinobi @ Jan 25 2012, 06:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, Firstly its not how much he person loves, it how thew other person also feels. Naruto has shown 0 interest romantically towards Hinata. Hinata jumping right in was plain stupid despite The hyuga next to her telling her not to. ON top of that she made no attempt to free Naruto, she knew she could not face pein. but the most she could do was try to free Naruto. Further more Sakura would have jumped in, but she was unaware of what was going on (I will provide the chapter later), She was attending to Tsuande. Hinata was standing around doing crap. Further more love is not someone that can be found in an instant. Jiriaya's crush on Tsuande turned out to be true love. Same can be said to Naruto. Sakura ALWAYS liked him (friend wise or other we don't know). She cried for him when she thought of him dying. And she cared enough to try and stop him from hurting himself in 4 tails form. Further more Yamato thinks Sakura likes Naruto and so does Sai. Sakura tried to kill Sasuke. But put Hinata in the same spot as her and Naruto in Sasuke's position, then tell me. Could Hinata do it?
Kishimoto has given plenty of examples of Love. But he sticks t that format.


Sakura couldn't do it either she just showed more courage by attempting it.

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 10:02 PM

QUOTE (Phantom_999 @ Jan 25 2012, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sakura couldn't do it either she just showed more courage by attempting it.


I was not defending or accusing Sakura and Hinata. I was only stating fact. Sakura tried to help NAruto by trying to calm him down (it worked with Sasuke), Hinata jumped straight in without a second thought, she was thinking only on helping Naruto. But she ignored the Katsuyu lone right next to her. I am only pointing out she could have asked it and devised a plan. she showed no strategy. Same with Sakura.

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Posted 25 January 2012 - 11:43 PM

QUOTE (God of All Shinobi @ Jan 25 2012, 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was not defending or accusing Sakura and Hinata. I was only stating fact. Sakura tried to help NAruto by trying to calm him down (it worked with Sasuke), Hinata jumped straight in without a second thought, she was thinking only on helping Naruto. But she ignored the Katsuyu lone right next to her. I am only pointing out she could have asked it and devised a plan. she showed no strategy. Same with Sakura.

Difference is, Hinata was well aware that if she jumped in, she was going to get f**cked up. Both showed no thinking as to their actions, but Hinata knew that she could have not achieved anything at all if she jumped in. Basically, she committed an attempt at suicide.




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