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#8041 Liu bie

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 08:19 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Jan 4 2013, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
http://tvtropes.org/.../Deconstruction

Desconstruction is what happened to Naruto on 615.

This is the worst thing that happen on a story.

Sasuke coming back to the village will make Sakura back to part 1 probably.
Which is a deconstruction.

If it is the worst what do you mean make Sakura back to part 1 probably?

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 08:24 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Jan 4 2013, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That was a very nice post and I agree with you, Sakura will play a major role in the future we just need to be patient.


Thanks! happy.gif

Ok, people, now let me explain what I wanted to mean by the fact that Sakura's development will have something to do with Sasuke. This, once again, is pure speculation, however, there's something with basis.

In an interview, as we all know, Kishi said "Sakura will have to grow-up too, right?" meaning, Kishi is planning something with her. Now, why do I think it will have to do with Sasuke rather than Tsunade?

Sakura needing to mature I say it's mostly connected to Sasuke, because, he's the only one bringing her down. Look at her how she acts when it comes to Sasuke, she's all depressive, insecure, etc.
Also, this idea came after this page:



Her fist is tempered, as her spirit.
Only one thing keeps that power under control, her "heart".
Even if we like it or not, Sasuke still plays with Sakura's heart and brings her down emotionally. We've seen how she is when his person appears around her, when she comes in contact with him.

The reason I said I don't fully believe it will have a connection with Tsunade's death is because of some reasons.

I'm 50/50 about Tsunade dying. She could be dying so Sakura will take her place, Sakura will have that development based upon her. However, the pattern with master dying fits, but the relationship Naruto and Shika had with Jiraiya/Asuma, doesn't.
They were more closed, spent more time together, they were like parental figures in Naruto's case, very close friend in Shika's case. However, the relationship Sakura and Tsunade share is more master-student, more strict, as we've always seen Tsunade speaking her like a sergent and Sakura is always "Yes m'am!".
I know they have a bond as well and Sakura was affected by Tsunade's state in Pain Arc, that's not even not argue about.

And about Tsunade not dying, it's because she has a bet to win, meaning seeing Naruto become a respectable Hokage. She put everything she had in him and took care of him so seeing him become Hokage would fulfill her dream with Nawaki/Dan.

True, that can also happen without Tsunade dead, however, to me, at least, that's why I say it's 50-50 chance.

That's why I considered the fact that Sakura needing to mature is more connected to get over her weakness for Sasuke, rather than Tsunade's death.
Not saying that Tsunade's death won't be a process of her maturity.

So, do I made myself understood, more clear? headscratch.gif Sorry, once again English is not my first language so it's kinda hard to explain sometimes what I want to say! happy.gif

QUOTE (Jake @ Jan 4 2013, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually the circumstances allow a different outcome, for the fight with Madara and Obito Naruto can't afford to die because it would give Madara and Obito the win and the World is doomed, but with Sasuke while if Sasuke kills Naruto then the world may be doomed (I say may be doom because we don't know what Sasuke is planing yet) but if both Naruto and Sasuke die in the fight then the ultimate outcome would be the same as if Naruto had survived (minus the obvious of Naruto not being alive)



The problem is that she while Sakura may not want to let Naruto do it alone, she just doesn't have a choice, she is nowhere even remotely close to being about to contribute against Sasuke and if she were to be a part of the fight she would only be in the way, which as much as she doesn't want to let Naruto go it alone, she also doesn't want to be a burden to Naruto.



The two pages are not connected Chapter 573 was talking about the war while chapter 488 was talking about Sasuke, the reason I'm going by this is that the theme of Naruto and Sasuke's relationship and I will explain how.

With the war and the fight with Madara and Obito, especially Madara who believes himself to be superior to even an army and in his current state as a Edo Tensei Zombie he can back that up because he doesn't have to worry about dieing but even when/if Obito revives him it will probable still take the entire Alliance to defeat him but they will eventually defeat him. But with Madara and Obito it is fallowing the entire theme of the Manga of teamwork being better then going solo.

With Sasuke on the other hand all through the Manga Sasuke has been saying that Naruto will never surpass him in strength, and having Sakura, Kakashi and Sai help him would only prove Sasuke right. But while Sasuke also seems to think that he is stronger then an army he hasn't been able to back that up, hell Sasuke hasn't been able beat anyone except Orochimaru (who was in a severely weakened state at the time) every other time he's fought he lost (with Kabuto, Itachi really did most of the work), but one thing with Sasuke is that while he has acknowledged that Naruto is close to him in strength, he still believes that he is stronger then Naruto, and that is something that Naruto has to prove and to do that he has to do it alone, now some my say that that contradicts the whole Teamwork theme of the Manga but they are forgetting about Kurama who Naruto has called his partner, the two are working together now and they will most definitely need to against Sasuke especially if Kishi does give Sasuke Perfect Susanoo



The problem with that is that there has been no foreshadowing and while Sasuke's power ups may seem like complete ass-pulls there was some for shadowing for them bear minimal foreshadowing but foreshadowing none the less. the only possible power-up for her at this point that has any kind foreshadowing would be a possible Sage Mode, but Sakura doesn't have the chakra for that (remember Kabuto had to resort to self experimentation to obtain it)



For Amaterasu Naruto has a few options to counter it
  • Sage Mode, or more specifically his ability to extend natural energy to widen the range of his punches, who's to say that it won't be able to deflect Amaterasu in a similar way as Nagato used Shinra Tensai (I think that's how it's spelled) to get the flames off of him
  • Sage Mode Rasengshuriken, I can shred anything into nothing and it has a very wide range
  • His chakra cloak/arms, Amaterasu can't hurt him if it can't hit him.
  • Speed, while in Nine-Tailes Chakra Mode Naruto has shown speed on the level of Minato's, and could very well be capable to dodging Amaterasu with shear speed
  • And last be certainly not least the Tailed Beast Ball, Mini Tailed Beast Ball or Tailed Beast Rasengan after all remember that Amaterasu is still just a jutsu.


As for Genjutsu, while it's true that Genjutsu is Naruto weak point it was also mentioned to be B's weak point too yet Sasuke's Genjutsu has been proven useless against B due to Gyuki, the only difference between the incidents is that Naruto and Kurama were at odds with each other while B and Gyuki were pretty much best friends, and judging from the fact that Obito was able to control Yagura and by extent Isobu (the Three-Tails) tells me that the Sharingan doesn't just control Kurama but all the Biju which mean that somehow when the Jinchuriki is on good terms with their Biju they can not be controled, this is supported by the fact that Madara has not tried to control Kurama or to put Naruto under Genjutsu he probably already know's it's useless.

And as for the Slugs, remember Nagato's Dog Summon had a similar ability yet Itachi was able to kill it using Amaterasu.



I think that if there is going to be a Team 7 vs. Taka fight I think it will play out like the Sasuke Retrieval Team vs. the Sound Five during the Sasuke Retrieval arc. in that the teams will brake down into one-on-one fights like Sai vs. Suigetsu, Sakura vs. Karin, Yamato vs. Juugo, Kakashi vs. Orochimaru and Naruto vs. Sasuke but just like the Sasuke Retrieval arc Sasuke would only fight Naruto.

But the biggest argument against this is that from what I heard the editor had to fight Kishi really hard to include Suigetsu and Juugo in a fight scene.



One problem nowhere in the manga does it say that Mito was present in the fight and I have evidence that backs that up.
  1. It established early in Part II that Hashirama was able to control Biju and according to Obito at one point had multiple Biju under his control and that he sent them to the other villages and while the obvious counter argument to this would be that Obito couldn't have know that but this is something that Madara could have taught him.
  2. When Kushina was telling Mito's story she said that Mito sealed Kurama inside herself to help Hashirama control it which means that Hashirama already had control of Kurama at the time.
  3. During Kurama's flashback when Naruto was trying to free Son Goku showed Hashirama talking to him while looking like he had just came from battle, the only battle that could have been is the battle with Madara.
  4. When Madara used the Wood dragon Technique a few chapters ago he said that was the technique that Hashirama used to restrain Kurama with during their fight.
  5. And finally would Madara be praising Hashirama (someone he absolutely hate) so much if Mito also had a part in the fight.

So in conclusion evidence point to Hashirama fighting Madara alone.

Yes Naruto and Sasuke's fight is basically an extension of the Hashirama and Madara fight but I think you're forgetting the one that is the root of it the fight between the Sage of Six Path's two sons. and just like those fights were one-on-one I believe Naruto and Sasuke's fight will aslo be a one-on-one fight.


Well, have to admit it's more realistic than mine. tongue.gif
And actually, you could be right about Team Taka and team 7. Oto vs. Konoha reloaded, lol. xd
And indeed, Mito is somehow confusing, though it states that Mito has helped Hashirama by sealing the Kyuubi inside her so she is kinda a third party if you think at it. smile.gif
But me, in the end, we should wait an see. smile.gif

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 08:53 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Jan 4 2013, 04:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nicely said. It's fine. Your English is really good.

Fairy Tail is really straight forward, not that I have problem with. I thought there will be one with Lisanna and Lucy, but that ended in a way back in the last arc, so yeah, obvious outcome is obvious.


Thank you!

Yeah, Fairy Tail is pretty obvious and tbh after seeing myself in the middle of so many shipping wars, it's really good not having to worry about it . smile.gif

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wait... I've never seen that interview. omfg.gif good to know!! Nashi is a cute name! wub.gif

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 4 2013, 05:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well sorry, but that was the obvious impression you've clearly left on me by giving me the NS history lesson.


QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 4 2013, 05:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well his pursuit for her has certainly died down. But I would not jump to the conclusion that he is not in love with her anymore. That is simply wishful thinking for the NH fandom. And yes, I truly don't think that he would go all emo on us if Sakura ended up with Sasuke.


No, this definitely wasn't the obvious impression of what I said and I wasn't trying to give you that " NS history lesson" that you said, I was trying to prove that development matters and the fact that Kishi has spent much time on it, but you were saying that it doesn't matter, sorry but for ME development is everything, I'm not just talking about the pairing issues, I'm talking about developing a friendship, developing a villain, development of a character, the development of the story itself. Development is what makes things make sense in the end, say that it doesn't matter is the same as saying that everything that has been shown so far doesn't matter anymore.

yes, he doesn't pursue her as much as before, but that doesn't mean he gave up of her. It was implied in Sai's flashback that he only will confess his feelings to her when he fulfilled the promise he made to her, it can also be clearly why he didn't pursue her that much as before.


QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 4 2013, 05:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, it happened. But you're clearly mixing up date request with Naruto turning emo if Sakura ended up with Sasuke. The atmosphere of those date request are clearly meant to be taking as a joke. Please don't tell me you took those scenes seriously?


you misunderstood my post again, I didn't mixed anything here. As I explained .. what I understood from your post is that you were saying that Naruto had given up of try to win Sakura's heart, Then I mentioned the times he called her out as proof that he hadn't given up of her and I don't agree with you, these scenes weren't to be taken as a joke but as comic relief, these are two different things, because while it was, as I said, comic relief scenes, it doesn't mean that it hadn't romantic intentions from Naruto's part.

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 4 2013, 05:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I seriously hope that no one on this site honestly believe that just because Naruto is going to confess to her, automatically means she's going to start loving him. If that was the case, then Naruto would already be in love with Hinata.


I didn't say that, I just showed you that he still wants to confess to her, so he didn't give of her > _ < and about what you said... yes I do think that if he confessed to her, she will accept his confession, I'm saying this because if that happens, it will be after Sakura come to a conclusion with her feelings, if they will not end up together so I don't think will have a confession. I just really can't see the main character being rejected in the end.


QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 4 2013, 05:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We've already been through the process of Naruto being in pain over the fact that Sakura loves Sasuke. Then years later we see Naruto not in pain at all over the fact that Sakura is in love with Sasuke. He's coped with that idea. It no longer bothers him.


If he has feelings for her, then it bothers him for sure. Doesn't matter if he accepted that she loves another, if you love someone but that person doesn't love you, you'll be happy if she find happiness with someone else, but you'll be sad for yourself, that for sure. But I'm not saying he'll be all emo because of that, we even have a good example in the manga: Jiraya. He loved Tsunade throughout his entire life, but we didn't seen him crying on the corners because of this, but when he died we saw that he had the fact of having been rejected by her as one of his failures. This clearly shows that he suffered for it, in the same way he suffered by not being able to save his friend, his teacher and his pupil.


QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 4 2013, 05:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I admit that some of my arguments are definitely wrong. And don't worry, your English is perfect enough for me and many others to understand.


oh wait I'm not saying that your posts are wrong, just that I don't agree with all of them in the same way that I don't agree with some posts of many others and in the same way that you do not agree with my posts as well. just differing opinions! ^^

oh thanks! It's good to know that my english isn't that bad, It's really hard try to elaborate a opinion in a language you don't dominate completely D':


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Posted 04 January 2013 - 09:58 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 4 2013, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks! happy.gif

Ok, people, now let me explain what I wanted to mean by the fact that Sakura's development will have something to do with Sasuke. This, once again, is pure speculation, however, there's something with basis.

In an interview, as we all know, Kishi said "Sakura will have to grow-up too, right?" meaning, Kishi is planning something with her. Now, why do I think it will have to do with Sasuke rather than Tsunade?

Sakura needing to mature I say it's mostly connected to Sasuke, because, he's the only one bringing her down. Look at her how she acts when it comes to Sasuke, she's all depressive, insecure, etc.
Also, this idea came after this page:



Her fist is tempered, as her spirit.
Only one thing keeps that power under control, her "heart".
Even if we like it or not, Sasuke still plays with Sakura's heart and brings her down emotionally. We've seen how she is when his person appears around her, when she comes in contact with him.

The reason I said I don't fully believe it will have a connection with Tsunade's death is because of some reasons.

I'm 50/50 about Tsunade dying. She could be dying so Sakura will take her place, Sakura will have that development based upon her. However, the pattern with master dying fits, but the relationship Naruto and Shika had with Jiraiya/Asuma, doesn't.
They were more closed, spent more time together, they were like parental figures in Naruto's case, very close friend in Shika's case. However, the relationship Sakura and Tsunade share is more master-student, more strict, as we've always seen Tsunade speaking her like a sergent and Sakura is always "Yes m'am!".
I know they have a bond as well and Sakura was affected by Tsunade's state in Pain Arc, that's not even not argue about.

And about Tsunade not dying, it's because she has a bet to win, meaning seeing Naruto become a respectable Hokage. She put everything she had in him and took care of him so seeing him become Hokage would fulfill her dream with Nawaki/Dan.


True, that can also happen without Tsunade dead, however, to me, at least, that's why I say it's 50-50 chance.

That's why I considered the fact that Sakura needing to mature is more connected to get over her weakness for Sasuke, rather than Tsunade's death.
Not saying that Tsunade's death won't be a process of her maturity.

So, do I made myself understood, more clear? headscratch.gif Sorry, once again English is not my first language so it's kinda hard to explain sometimes what I want to say! happy.gif



Well, have to admit it's more realistic than mine. tongue.gif
And actually, you could be right about Team Taka and team 7. Oto vs. Konoha reloaded, lol. xd
And indeed, Mito is somehow confusing, though it states that Mito has helped Hashirama by sealing the Kyuubi inside her so she is kinda a third party if you think at it. smile.gif
But me, in the end, we should wait an see. smile.gif



Once again I find myself agreeing with your post, but one thing I was to separate, the Tsunade stuff I don't have it being 50/50 in fact I don't thing Tsunade will die at all, she made a bet about Naruto and she is one of the person that displayed the biggest hope on him becoming Hokage.

Rigarding you English, it's far better than mine so I have zero problems reading your post. it's a shame that my English is so poor since I spend 80% of my life speaking English with my friends and family.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 10:14 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Jan 4 2013, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Once again I find myself agreeing with your post, but one thing I was to separate, the Tsunade stuff I don't have it being 50/50 in fact I don't thing Tsunade will die at all, she made a bet about Naruto and she is one of the person that displayed the biggest hope on him becoming Hokage.

Rigarding you English, it's far better than mine so I have zero problems reading your post. it's a shame that my English is so poor since I spend 80% of my life speaking English with my friends and family.


Exactly, that's why I think it's 50/50, for me.
However, we cannot be sure as we've seen Neji getting killed, so who knows.
And I wonder if her being alive won't affect Sakura's development as surpassing her master... I truly want to see that happen though.
I am only willing to give up on Tsunade at Sakura's cost, otherwise, I'll curse Kishi for killing her. She shares my no. 1 fav. character along with Sakura.

Guys, what do you think about this?

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Sakura was never in the Running to be Naruto Woman. Kishi originally Had Hinata to be Naruto's Woman as a servant in the Remain Shop that Naruto frequented but the Publisher was against it, He insisted Hinata had to be a Ninja too. So Kishi made Her a quiet Shy Ninja,but evolved Her slowly to be like Minato and Naruto to be like Kushina thus attracting each other in the end as Minato and Kushina did. but People keep being Blind to this keep pushing Sakura and lost and they won't accept the true meaning of Kishi story and now their MAD,MAD incapable of accepting it. Get over it it's done its a Naruto/Hinata World with Naruto to become the New SO6P and Hinata His Wife and You, Yes You can't Changer it so accept it or be Mad big Dummies for life.


You won't have to guess from where it's coming. wink.gif

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 10:25 PM

Why do I have the feeling that Kishi might use Hinata holding Naruto's hands as a step ladder to define her feelings for Naruto. After all, we still don't know Sakura might envy a female that wants to become intimate with Naruto into the future. Maybe this would give her a notion that Naruto won't be single forever and this will be like a boaster to help her finally explore her feelings for Naruto. Inverting very weary of the anime filler version when Sakura becomes jealous of some side female character. I want this to be confirmed in the manga.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 10:27 PM

QUOTE (Konoha'sCrimsonFox @ Jan 4 2013, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why do I have the feeling that Kishi might use Hinata holding Naruto's hands as a step ladder to define her feelings for Naruto. After all, we still don't know Sakura might envy a female that wants to become intimate with Naruto into the future. Maybe this would give her a notion that Naruto won't be single forever and this will be like a boaster to help her finally explore her feelings for Naruto. Inverting very weary of the anime filler version when Sakura becomes jealous of some side female character. I want this to be confirmed in the manga.

What do ya think, guys?


I also speculate this as well...though, who knows what lies in Kishi's mind, now.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 10:56 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 4 2013, 03:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, have to admit it's more realistic than mine. tongue.gif
And actually, you could be right about Team Taka and team 7. Oto vs. Konoha reloaded, lol. xd
And indeed, Mito is somehow confusing, though it states that Mito has helped Hashirama by sealing the Kyuubi inside her so she is kinda a third party if you think at it. smile.gif
But me, in the end, we should wait an see. smile.gif


About the Bolded: Kushina said that Mito sealed Kurama inside herself to help Hashirama keep it under control and from what I've heard it is made clear in the original Japanese that Mito had no part of the battle while I can not confirm that given all of the other evidence I'm inclined to believe it.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 10:59 PM

QUOTE (Jake @ Jan 4 2013, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
About the Bolded: Kushina said that Mito sealed Kurama inside herself to help Hashirama keep it under control and from what I've heard it is made clear in the original Japanese that Mito had no part of the battle while I can not confirm that given all of the other evidence I'm inclined to believe it.


Oh, well, we'll have to wait and see, then. smile.gif

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:00 PM

How about this theory:

For some reason Naruto and Sakura find themselves fighting against Madara. Naruto is pinned on the ground, unable to move, and Sakura is on a hold, probably thanks to Madara's wood style. Madara is about to kill Sakura in front of Naruto's eyes, but then Obito flashbacks to the death of Rin and realizes he's now faced with the exact same situation that happened to him. Just as Madara is about to land the finishing blow Obito comes in the middle and saves Sakura.

As for how he would make the association of Naruto and Sakura with himself and Rin, that would be up to Kishi. I don't want to think about it, but maybe it could happen while we are revealed why Kakashi had to kill Rin. That really needs to be answered.

Saving Sakura would maybe allow Obito to find closure thanks to being able to fulfill what he failed to do with Rin, and in turn have the ability to grant Naruto a much brighter future than what he was dealt with. Obito did say he wanted to change fate, so by protecting Sakura (the Rin of this generation) and preventing Naruto (the Obito of this generation) from witnessing the same tragedy it would sort of happen.

I know it's a hell of a stretch, especially considering that Madara would have to find himself targeting Sakura for some reason, but you never know.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:02 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jan 5 2013, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How about this theory:

For some reason Naruto and Sakura find themselves fighting against Madara. Naruto is pinned on the ground, unable to move, and Sakura is on a hold, probably thanks to Madara's wood style. Madara is about to kill Sakura in front of Naruto's eyes, but then Obito flashbacks to the death of Rin and realizes he's now faced with the exact same situation that happened to him. Just as Madara is about to land the finishing blow Obito comes in the middle and saves Sakura.

As for how he would make the association of Naruto and Sakura with himself and Rin, that would be up to Kishi. I don't want to think about it, but maybe it could happen while we are revealed why Kakashi had to kill Rin. That really needs to be answered.

Saving Sakura would maybe allow Obito to find closure thanks to being able to fulfill what he failed to do with Rin, and in turn have the ability to grant Naruto a much brighter future than what he was dealt with. Obito did say he wanted to change fate, so by protecting Sakura (the Rin of this generation) and preventing Naruto (the Obito of this generation) from witnessing the same tragedy it would sort of happen.

I know it's a hell of a stretch, especially considering that Madara would have to find himself targeting Sakura for some reason, but you never know.


Tsunade's pupil. tongue.gif

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:12 PM

LAP CAUSE I'M IN A SHIPPING MOOD.

For NH to happen, it would completely destroy the original Team 7 love-triangle that defined both Naruto and Sakura. There would be no drama, and it would only pave the path for SS, an extremely poorly developed and one-sided pairing (due to the pure negativity Kishi has portrayed it in) to become canon.

You can't necessarily use the 'Kishi is a troll/bad writer/asspuller, so anything can happen' arguement. I've yet to see something that truly rustles my jimmies in terms of his writing. 615...I'll admit, it seemed EXTREMELY forced and awkward, but somehow Hinata had to get development. He said in the RtN DVD interview (I think that was it, it was sometime this year) that all the hints strewn throughout the manga would make sense at the end. I'll touch in this in a moment.

We all know how Kishi feels about SS. He called her love for Sasuke 'vain', there's been mutual murder attempts, there's been no genuine words of kindness on Sasuke's part towards Sakura ('You're annoying' after she confessed her love. Cmon son), nor any hint of him having any feelings towards her.

NH, while extremely underdeveloped, has been getting a whole host of screentime. Sure. But, it's not NH screentime. It's Hinata screentime. We all know, and so does Kishi, that Hinata is one of the most popular characters in the manga. He's already made note of how the fans constantly talk about her in lew of Sakura. With probably over two years left in the manga, and the imminent resolution of all the side characters in this arc, he would have to really nail in Hinata's final development to appeal to the fans and keep them on board.

Not all Hinata fans are NH fans (dem crack pairings). I, personally, don't care for the character, but I'd want her to have some positive resolution on the only aspect of her character that has depth; her feelings for Naruto. For her to somehow come to terms with those feelings, it would be a good resolution to her character.

It may come off as biased/fanfiction-esque, but I could see something like her showing true selfless love and letting Naruto be, if she were to see his love for Sakura in some way-shape-or form. Or, I could see something similar to her feelings being realized of those not of love, but of extreme admiration and respect (which I personally see them as). Her finally learning to stand on her own two feet and being proud of herself, being by herself and inspiring herself would be amazing character resolution, and would give the character the redemption she so desperately needs.

Now. On the topic of Kishi saying all the hints in the manga making sense at the end. He could be talking about anything, but I see it as him talking about pairings (given the strong focus on them in the movie compared to other works). What pairing has had the most hints? The one with the strongest negativity and no hope of feelings being requited? The one where it's pretty much celebrity love with little-to-no development throughout the manga? Or the one that's had the most development since it's debut, the one that's focused on positivity, admiration and inspiration, the one that's had numerous subtle hints and ambiguous feelings, and the one that's had the focus of parallels? kruemelmonsteryn0.gif


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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:17 PM

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Jan 4 2013, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
LAP CAUSE I'M IN A SHIPPING MOOD.

For NH to happen, it would completely destroy the original Team 7 love-triangle that defined both Naruto and Sakura. There would be no drama, and it would only pave the path for SS, an extremely poorly developed and one-sided pairing (due to the pure negativity Kishi has portrayed it in) to become canon.

You can't necessarily use the 'Kishi is a troll/bad writer/asspuller, so anything can happen' arguement. I've yet to see something that truly rustles my jimmies in terms of his writing. 615...I'll admit, it seemed EXTREMELY forced and awkward, but somehow Hinata had to get development. He said in the RtN DVD interview (I think that was it, it was sometime this year) that all the hints strewn throughout the manga would make sense at the end. I'll touch in this in a moment.

We all know how Kishi feels about SS. He called her love for Sasuke 'vain', there's been mutual murder attempts, there's been no genuine words of kindness on Sasuke's part towards Sakura ('You're annoying' after she confessed her love. Cmon son), nor any hint of him having any feelings towards her.

NH, while extremely underdeveloped, has been getting a whole host of screentime. Sure. But, it's not NH screentime. It's Hinata screentime. We all know, and so does Kishi, that Hinata is one of the most popular characters in the manga. He's already made note of how the fans constantly talk about her in lew of Sakura. With probably over two years left in the manga, and the imminent resolution of all the side characters in this arc, he would have to really nail in Hinata's final development to appeal to the fans and keep them on board.

Not all Hinata fans are NH fans (dem crack pairings). I, personally, don't care for the character, but I'd want her to have some positive resolution on the only aspect of her character that has depth; her feelings for Naruto. For her to somehow come to terms with those feelings, it would be a good resolution to her character.

It may come off as biased/fanfiction-esque, but I could see something like her showing true selfless love and letting Naruto be, if she were to see his love for Sakura in some way-shape-or form. Or, I could see something similar to her feelings being realized of those not of love, but of extreme admiration and respect (which I personally see them as). Her finally learning to stand on her own two feet and being proud of herself, being by herself and inspiring herself would be amazing character resolution, and would give the character the redemption she so desperately needs.

Now. On the topic of Kishi saying all the hints in the manga making sense at the end. He could be talking about anything, but I see it as him talking about pairings (given the strong focus on them in the movie compared to other works). What pairing has had the most hints? The one with the strongest negativity and no hope of feelings being requited? The one where it's pretty much celebrity love with little-to-no development throughout the manga? Or the one that's had the most development since it's debut, the one that's focused on positivity, admiration and inspiration, the one that's had numerous subtle hints and ambiguous feelings, and the one that's had the focus of parallels? kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

Minato and Kushina when kushina said that she fell in love with minato because he changed her, mostly likely that Naruto will change Sakura and will make her stop viewing herself as useless and as someome who only do mistakes.
It brings back memories when Yamato said to sakura that "does not matter the things you do for him but what matters is how you feel about Naruto", "Sakura looking at you i can say that you really..." i think it cut off not just because he would say "you really love Naruto" but because it would made her stop saying that she only do small things, it would be a strong development for her that had been cut off by kishi.
this is the strongest hint after reading Kushina's moment for some reason i thought about this scene.

Things are starting to make sense thought those particular scenes and about those hints.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:19 PM

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Jan 5 2013, 12:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
LAP CAUSE I'M IN A SHIPPING MOOD.

For NH to happen, it would completely destroy the original Team 7 love-triangle that defined both Naruto and Sakura. There would be no drama, and it would only pave the path for SS, an extremely poorly developed and one-sided pairing (due to the pure negativity Kishi has portrayed it in) to become canon.

You can't necessarily use the 'Kishi is a troll/bad writer/asspuller, so anything can happen' arguement. I've yet to see something that truly rustles my jimmies in terms of his writing. 615...I'll admit, it seemed EXTREMELY forced and awkward, but somehow Hinata had to get development. He said in the RtN DVD interview (I think that was it, it was sometime this year) that all the hints strewn throughout the manga would make sense at the end. I'll touch in this in a moment.

We all know how Kishi feels about SS. He called her love for Sasuke 'vain', there's been mutual murder attempts, there's been no genuine words of kindness on Sasuke's part towards Sakura ('You're annoying' after she confessed her love. Cmon son), nor any hint of him having any feelings towards her.

NH, while extremely underdeveloped, has been getting a whole host of screentime. Sure. But, it's not NH screentime. It's Hinata screentime. We all know, and so does Kishi, that Hinata is one of the most popular characters in the manga. He's already made note of how the fans constantly talk about her in lew of Sakura. With probably over two years left in the manga, and the imminent resolution of all the side characters in this arc, he would have to really nail in Hinata's final development to appeal to the fans and keep them on board.

Not all Hinata fans are NH fans (dem crack pairings). I, personally, don't care for the character, but I'd want her to have some positive resolution on the only aspect of her character that has depth; her feelings for Naruto. For her to somehow come to terms with those feelings, it would be a good resolution to her character.

It may come off as biased/fanfiction-esque, but I could see something like her showing true selfless love and letting Naruto be, if she were to see his love for Sakura in some way-shape-or form. Or, I could see something similar to her feelings being realized of those not of love, but of extreme admiration and respect (which I personally see them as). Her finally learning to stand on her own two feet and being proud of herself, being by herself and inspiring herself would be amazing character resolution, and would give the character the redemption she so desperately needs.

Now. On the topic of Kishi saying all the hints in the manga making sense at the end. He could be talking about anything, but I see it as him talking about pairings (given the strong focus on them in the movie compared to other works). What pairing has had the most hints? The one with the strongest negativity and no hope of feelings being requited? The one where it's pretty much celebrity love with little-to-no development throughout the manga? Or the one that's had the most development since it's debut, the one that's focused on positivity, admiration and inspiration, the one that's had numerous subtle hints and ambiguous feelings, and the one that's had the focus of parallels? kruemelmonsteryn0.gif


I'd like this to happen as the other NH fans would be screaming that if Naruto and Sakura got together is because Hinata let them. If you know what I mean. wink.gif

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:30 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jan 4 2013, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How about this theory:

For some reason Naruto and Sakura find themselves fighting against Madara. Naruto is pinned on the ground, unable to move, and Sakura is on a hold, probably thanks to Madara's wood style. Madara is about to kill Sakura in front of Naruto's eyes, but then Obito flashbacks to the death of Rin and realizes he's now faced with the exact same situation that happened to him. Just as Madara is about to land the finishing blow Obito comes in the middle and saves Sakura.

As for how he would make the association of Naruto and Sakura with himself and Rin, that would be up to Kishi. I don't want to think about it, but maybe it could happen while we are revealed why Kakashi had to kill Rin. That really needs to be answered.

Saving Sakura would maybe allow Obito to find closure thanks to being able to fulfill what he failed to do with Rin, and in turn have the ability to grant Naruto a much brighter future than what he was dealt with. Obito did say he wanted to change fate, so by protecting Sakura (the Rin of this generation) and preventing Naruto (the Obito of this generation) from witnessing the same tragedy it would sort of happen.

I know it's a hell of a stretch, especially considering that Madara would have to find himself targeting Sakura for some reason, but you never know.

Wow, that's so interesting cause I had pretty much the exact same idea! Like, Naruto fights Obito and gets him to change his outlook, and leaves him on the verge of death. Then he (and maybe Sakura, too) go up against Madara, and for some reason or other he targets Sakura, and Obito, knowing she is Naruto's Rin, saves her so he doesn't suffer like he did, and then dies. Maybe before all this, Sakura has a near-death scene so Naruto can know the same pain as Obito or whatever (and this is how Obito knows the connection between Naruto and Sakura). And then the scene you and I thought of.
How weird that we had the same idea. tongue.gif

QUOTE (swagosaurus @ Jan 4 2013, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It may come off as biased/fanfiction-esque, but I could see something like her showing true selfless love and letting Naruto be, if she were to see his love for Sakura in some way-shape-or form.

This wouldn't be too bad (though yeah, it sounds sorta fanfiction-y), but I feel that some NH fans would say that the only reason it didn't happen is cause Hinata "let him be." So maybe if it were something like, Naruto was about to tell her he doesn't love her, he loves someone else, Hinata cuts him off and is like, "I know." Or something.

Edited by mydearbeloved, 04 January 2013 - 11:41 PM.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:38 PM

I JUST HAD, A MOTHERFKING BRAINWAVE.

2 Scenarios.
1. Tsunade uses Chiyo's technique and gives her lifeforce to the other kages.
2. Tsunade uses a technique that causes her to not be able to use chakra anymore, thus relinquishing the title of Hokage but staying around to watch Naruto and Sakura grow up.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:40 PM

QUOTE (Chucky-kun @ Jan 4 2013, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I JUST HAD, A MOTHERFKING BRAINWAVE.

2 Scenarios.
1. Tsunade uses Chiyo's technique and gives her lifeforce to the other kages.
2. Tsunade uses a technique that causes her to not be able to use chakra anymore, thus relinquishing the title of Hokage but staying around to watch Naruto and Sakura grow up.


Well Sozo Saisei does shortens up her lifespan... I assume Byakugou does that even more...

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:41 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 5 2013, 02:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Guys, what do you think about this?



You won't have to guess from where it's coming. wink.gif

I knew from where it's coming from the first phrase fu.png and what I think is... well... let's just say, my expression is like this mellow.gif and not surprised because of what I have already experienced with them in the past.

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jan 5 2013, 03:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How about this theory:

For some reason Naruto and Sakura find themselves fighting against Madara. Naruto is pinned on the ground, unable to move, and Sakura is on a hold, probably thanks to Madara's wood style. Madara is about to kill Sakura in front of Naruto's eyes, but then Obito flashbacks to the death of Rin and realizes he's now faced with the exact same situation that happened to him. Just as Madara is about to land the finishing blow Obito comes in the middle and saves Sakura.

As for how he would make the association of Naruto and Sakura with himself and Rin, that would be up to Kishi. I don't want to think about it, but maybe it could happen while we are revealed why Kakashi had to kill Rin. That really needs to be answered.

Saving Sakura would maybe allow Obito to find closure thanks to being able to fulfill what he failed to do with Rin, and in turn have the ability to grant Naruto a much brighter future than what he was dealt with. Obito did say he wanted to change fate, so by protecting Sakura (the Rin of this generation) and preventing Naruto (the Obito of this generation) from witnessing the same tragedy it would sort of happen.

I know it's a hell of a stretch, especially considering that Madara would have to find himself targeting Sakura for some reason, but you never know.

I like your theory a lot and I think there's an easy way for Madara to catch her which is have Sakura fight and he can captivate her or if she, by any chance, do a big damage to the Juubi, he would want to make her stop and catch her, well, that if Kishi is preparing her role to do a damage to the Juubi.
That's pretty much what I have in mind to how could Madara hold Sakura by your theory.

Edited by T XD, 05 January 2013 - 12:08 AM.


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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:45 PM

QUOTE (Chucky-kun @ Jan 4 2013, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I JUST HAD, A MOTHERFKING BRAINWAVE.

2 Scenarios.
1. Tsunade uses Chiyo's technique and gives her lifeforce to the other kages.
2. Tsunade uses a technique that causes her to not be able to use chakra anymore, thus relinquishing the title of Hokage but staying around to watch Naruto and Sakura grow up.

But how would Tsunade know Chiyo's technique? unsure.gif And I don't know if she would have enough energy to bring back all the Kage, cause she's near death herself. But I am so curious as to what's going on with them...

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:54 PM

QUOTE (mydearbeloved @ Jan 5 2013, 03:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But how would Tsunade know Chiyo's technique? unsure.gif And I don't know if she would have enough energy to bring back all the Kage, cause she's near death herself. But I am so curious as to what's going on with them...

By her amazing power in medic, I'm pretty sure she knows the technique. But I think she'll heal the Kages and she dies, though I don't want her to die pinch.gif and it's enough that Jiraiya and Orochimaru are dead and now it could be her turn... It's heartbroken.




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