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[Haaky]

Kishimoto please end this manga soon, this kitten is going too far xD

[megi]

Thanks for the info. I just wanted to clarify it. Since I saw some use that as evidence that Hinata truly loves Naruto because she used "daisuki". While downplaying Naruto's feelings to a simple crush, because he used "suki" towards Sakura.

 

This bothers me so much it makes me uncomfortable, but I don't think I've fully addressed this before. This is the worst type of argument because it doesn't have much to do with perspective, but with ignorance. Think about it, does this argument have any sense in it? At all? You just don't measure someone's love for another on the basis of a word. You don't downplay Naruto's feelings because he uses 好き, you can't. And saying Hinata loves more because she uses 大好き...once again like for many other arguments, the context of words have not been picked up.

 

I think one of the most common questions I am asked is whether 大好き is stronger than 好き and I have to say yes, yes it is stronger. But this is something that can always be taken out of context. Some people may know 好きｰ大好きｰ愛してる (suki-daisuki-aikitteneru) as levels of feelings of love, with suki meaning like/love, daisuki meaning like/love a lot, and aikitteneru meaning "I love you", and although each level becomes more rarer to say and with a stronger feeling of love, I beg to differ on the argument that one is always more meaningful than the other. 好き and 大好き are to be taken seriously. To dismiss one because the other word, literally, has a stronger meaning is the worst argument. Because you are not supposed to be focusing on the word. It is the commitment and action that speaks louder than all words, and Naruto is a man of action.

[Psychox]

That makes me wonder though, why did Naruto fall for Sakura?  Was it because Sakura actually paid enough attention to him to actually punch him, while all the other ignored him/hid from him?  Naruto's greatest pain was loneliness, the fact that Sakura acknowledged his existence would have been extremely important to him.  What do you guys think?  What was it about Sakura that caught Naruto's eye before we met these guys, before Naruto tranformed into Sakura and tricked her?

 

The fact that she didn't ignore him or shunned him had a great impact not just on the Naruto persona , but his feelings too. Everyone was instructed to keep away from him even not to start a simple conversation with the boy for inadequate reasons . She may have punched him for being annoying and ruining her  precious time drooling over Sasuke and of course stealing the first kiss from him, but never looked down on him for being alive . She was repulsed from him , i don't know why though , can someone explain ? But she never looked at him with ''those eyes'' filled with hatred or despised his existence . The problem was he didn't know how to approach her without being punched , he couldn't exchange a single word actually , so in order to do so he transformed into the ''object or her yearning'' .  Naruto found a similar trait in her that she wanted someone's acknowledgment so bad , her determination too. So its save to assume that that's one of the main reasons .

As for her feelings for Sasuke , they just don't make sense anymore .. Either are kept to prolong the frigging pairing drama or something less important . What are those feelings she has , if she doesn't know the guy? He denied and rejected her , so why  keep them ? After all the negativity in part 1 ,part 2 with the murder attempts on both end and she still hasn't moved on , that's BS . That is the most detrimental part of her character and people still hate her for that till this very day . Heard a lot of comments '' if she wants Sasuke so much let her be with him''  '' ships NH'' ..... '' She hurt Naruto to be with Sasuke ''
Kishi keeps asspulling those feelings for Sasuke for Ino too i just don't know what is he trying to acomplish..  The sooner she moves on the better , because its just illogical by this point.
 

 

 

This bothers me so much it makes me uncomfortable, but I don't think I've fully addressed this before. This is the worst type of argument because it doesn't have much to do with perspective, but with ignorance. Think about it, does this argument have any sense in it? At all? You just don't measure someone's love for another on the basis of a word. You don't downplay Naruto's feelings because he uses 好き, you can't. And saying Hinata loves more because she uses 大好き...once again like for many other arguments, the context of words have not been picked up.

 

I think one of the most common questions I am asked is whether 大好き is stronger than 好き and I have to say yes, yes it is stronger. But this is something that can always be taken out of context. Some people may know 好きｰ大好きｰ愛してる (suki-daisuki-aikitteneru) as levels of feelings of love, with suki meaning like/love, daisuki meaning like/love a lot, and aikitteneru meaning "I love you", and although each level becomes more rarer to say and with a stronger feeling of love, I beg to differ on the argument that one is always more meaningful than the other. 好き and 大好き are to be taken seriously. To dismiss one because the other word, literally, has a stronger meaning is the worst argument. Because you are not supposed to be focusing on the word. It is the commitment and action that speaks louder than all words, and Naruto is a man of action.

 

I thought that suki was the romantical version of love in Japanese ? Care to correct me ?

And yes, i agree, action speak louder than words, i mean you can tell someone all day that you are in love with them on your first/second date , is it true ? Hm...

Edited by Psychox, 12 September 2013 - 01:44 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

This bothers me so much it makes me uncomfortable, but I don't think I've fully addressed this before. This is the worst type of argument because it doesn't have much to do with perspective, but with ignorance. Think about it, does this argument have any sense in it? At all? You just don't measure someone's love for another on the basis of a word. You don't downplay Naruto's feelings because he uses 好き, you can't. And saying Hinata loves more because she uses 大好き...once again like for many other arguments, the context of words have not been picked up.

 

I think one of the most common questions I am asked is whether 大好き is stronger than 好き and I have to say yes, yes it is stronger. But this is something that can always be taken out of context. Some people may know 好きｰ大好きｰ愛してる (suki-daisuki-aikitteneru) as levels of feelings of love, with suki meaning like/love, daisuki meaning like/love a lot, and aikitteneru meaning "I love you", and although each level becomes more rarer to say and with a stronger feeling of love, I beg to differ on the argument that one is always more meaningful than the other. 好き and 大好き are to be taken seriously. To dismiss one because the other word, literally, has a stronger meaning is the worst argument. Because you are not supposed to be focusing on the word. It is the commitment and action that speaks louder than all words, and Naruto is a man of action.

This is another example of how people ignore develpment, Naruto like(because he had a crush) on the chapter 3, because afterwards it become love on the same chapter.

Also on the databook Kishi used infatuation and not love, which later she uses the word love to express her feelings but still act as a someome who's strongly infatuated, 615 showed her infatuation.

 

You can easily compare Karin's love for Sasuke with Hinata's love for Naruto, it's infatuation at best.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 12 September 2013 - 01:36 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

Good point.  The thing is, we did learn why Naruto loves Sakura, he figured it out when he was transformed into Sasuke and he realized that like him Sakura wants to be acknowledged.  I'm a bit more curious as to how it began, how Sakura caught his eye, I don't know if that'll be addressed canonically, but it's still interesting to brainstorm

True, but hopefully, we will get that answer. Who knows, we probably get the same for Obito on Rin. You could argue it's because her charm and all that, but you never know. The way his flashback portray is that he was late and no one seems to care for his late as Kakashi look at him with "Huh, idiot..." Rin is the one that was nice enough to give him the qualification file. So maybe they will share something. Naruto and Obito must understand each other sooner than ever.

[HauntedCake]

Are Naruto and Sakura actually destined to be together? I won't deny that Sakura is going to move away from sasuke because its kind of a no brainer at this stage after what hes done to her and everyone. But does this mean that she's just going to jump into Naruto just because he loves her and she knows it?

 

Whats to say that Sakura just cant love Naruto romantically because there's a drastic difference between her interactions with sasuke and Naruto.

 

Maybe sakura would just marry some random nin later on and remain best friends with naruto, maybe Naruto is there to save her from her feeling for sasuke put her on the right track so to speak.

 

I'm not implying this should default NH because that will never work out but you could argue that Naruto would fight to be with sakura, and obviously he would but what would he do if she just said no?

 

Do any of you have any ideas as to how kishi will resolve Hinata>Naruto? i mean will he have Naruto just say no to her? will she confess yet again? what will sakura do with sasuke? try TNJ him out of his evil ways or revert back and confess love or whatever? because this needs sorting and it seems that Kishi could do ANYTHING at this point..

 

I'm a NS fan and im rambling this crap.... but it's been in my head whilst i was working today so..

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Are Naruto and Sakura actually destined to be together? I won't deny that Sakura is going to move away from sasuke because its kind of a no brainer at this stage after what hes done to her and everyone. But does this mean that she's just going to jump into Naruto just because he loves her and she knows it?

 

Whats to say that Sakura just cant love Naruto romantically because there's a drastic difference between her interactions with sasuke and Naruto.

 

Maybe sakura would just marry some random nin later on and remain best friends with naruto, maybe Naruto is there to save her from her feeling for sasuke put her on the right track so to speak.

 

I'm not implying this should default NH because that will never work out but you could argue that Naruto would fight to be with sakura, and obviously he would but what would he do if she just said no?

 

Do any of you have any ideas as to how kishi will resolve Hinata>Naruto? i mean will he have Naruto just say no to her? will she confess yet again? what will sakura do with sasuke? try TNJ him out of his evil ways or revert back and confess love or whatever? because this needs sorting and it seems that Kishi could do ANYTHING at this point..

 

I'm a NS fan and im rambling this crap.... but it's been in my head whilst i was working today so..

Tsunade / Jiraiya _ Rin / Obito and the whole Sakura/Kushina i cant think how they are not destined to each other.

 

The other bolded which makes me wonder if Sauce did not leave the village would she get this development?

I think Obito/Rin flashback tells that he would be on a status quo forever.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 12 September 2013 - 10:34 PM.

[Paptala]

Are Naruto and Sakura actually destined to be together? I won't deny that Sakura is going to move away from sasuke because its kind of a no brainer at this stage after what hes done to her and everyone. But does this mean that she's just going to jump into Naruto just because he loves her and she knows it?

 

Whats to say that Sakura just cant love Naruto romantically because there's a drastic difference between her interactions with sasuke and Naruto.

 

Maybe sakura would just marry some random nin later on and remain best friends with naruto, maybe Naruto is there to save her from her feeling for sasuke put her on the right track so to speak.

 

I'm not implying this should default NH because that will never work out but you could argue that Naruto would fight to be with sakura, and obviously he would but what would he do if she just said no?

 

Do any of you have any ideas as to how kishi will resolve Hinata>Naruto? i mean will he have Naruto just say no to her? will she confess yet again? what will sakura do with sasuke? try TNJ him out of his evil ways or revert back and confess love or whatever? because this needs sorting and it seems that Kishi could do ANYTHING at this point..

 

I'm a NS fan and im rambling this crap.... but it's been in my head whilst i was working today so..

If by "destined to be together" you mean that Kishimoto always intended for them to end up together romantically, then I'd be more inclined to answer yes than no (the gradual romantic development and hints for their relationship span the entire course of the manga, building up Naruto's romantic feelings in part one, and then building up Sakura's romantic feelings for Naruto (along with other romantic suspense and drama) in part two, on top of the foreshadowing and parallels support this - no other potential couple in the series has all of this).

 

The "drastic difference" between her interactions with Naruto versus her interactions with Sasuke stems from all the negative and/or immature aspects of Sakura's relationship with Sasuke  (being submissive around him, trying to suppress her true personality to appeal to him, thinking he hates her and that he never talks to her, fangirling around him, etc.).  So any changes I see between Naruto and Sakura's relationship and Sasuke and Sakura's relationship is positive in my eyes.

 

She can actually be herself around Naruto, she is happy around Naruto more often than not, she can have fun with Naruto.  And I don't think that its just meant to be a friendship thing, because there are many hints to indicate that it is more than friendship.  The fact that Sakura blushed at first sight of Naruto at the start of part two, the fact that she's flirted with him on at least two occasions ("Do I look more womanly" and "Hand me your chopsticks").  Then there is Sai's statement that she's gentle with Sai, using the same term Shikamaru's dad used when telling him that even the roughest of women are gentle with the person she loves.  Then there's Yamato's statement that what's important is the strength of her feelings, which we know can't be referring to her feelings of friendship because Sakura wouldn't have look shocked over being told she cares about Naruto a lot as a friend.  The KN4 dash was almost a carbon copy of the Forest of Death scene where Sakura runs and hugs Sasuke to snap him out of his dark state (the crying and the flashbacks).  Not to mention that the only other person Sakura has hugged than Naruto is Sasuke, whom she is in love with, and her hug got the crowd blushing and one little girl to make the classic "how romantic expression."

 

What can you point to that indicates Naruto feels anything beyond friendship for Hinata?  The hand holding certainly doesn't, since he held hands with at least Shikamaru and Tenten right after, nor was he blushing or thinking anything romantic there.

 

What can you point to that indicates Sasuke feels anything beyond friendship for Sakura?  Him thanking her when she confessed to him?  He shows more emotion to Naruto and Karin than her, and was ready to leave her to die back in chapter 444.

 

What would Naruto do if Sakura just said no?  He'd be sad, but he'd accept it.  You can't force someone to love you back, and Naruto isn't the type to try.  I do think that he would at least confess, in order to know he gave it his best shot, and then if she still wasn't interested, he just remain her friend and try to get over her.  I could see a relationship similar to Jiraiya and Tsunade's happening in that instance, actually.

 

In regards to resolving Hinata > Naruto, I think he could resolve it as easily as Hinata witnessing some serious Naruto > Sakura moment, and have her realize that Naruto's feelings.  He could have her reaction be anything from a sad look eventually leading to a genuine smile, or show her actually thinking something like what the Trigun anime did with Vash > Rem ("Rem, I will continue to believe in you.  But from now on, I'm going to find my own beliefs in life to follow.").  Personally, I would love if Hinata took this route, because I feel like she still stands on Naruto's nindo and has no beliefs or principles of her own.  This could be a good segway into Hinata resolving to become a good clan leader and planning on reforming her clan.

 

Point is, it wouldn't be all that difficult, in my opinion.

 

With Sakura > Sasuke, this is all Sakura.  Sasuke doesn't need to be involved at all, because he's never been romantically interested in her - at this point, he barely has a relationship with her.  Sakura needs to simply take a close look at her own feelings and sort out on her own what she currently feels.  After that, she can tell Sasuke she's over him, or she can keep it to herself/Naruto.  Either way, I don't see it affecting Sasuke all that much, if at all.    There's been plenty of groundwork laid down for this in the manga already, so I don't this being difficult either.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well done, Paptala. There's one thing I want to comment but that will be another day. I will finally have more time soon. Yeah, I know I made couple of LAP, but not the one that I wanted to write.

[morgaine4]

 

TShe was repulsed from him , i don't know why though , can someone explain ? But she never looked at him with ''those eyes'' filled with hatred or despised his existence .

 

I always felt that Sakura probably felt teased or even harassed by Naruto.  Naruto, especially back then, didn't know etiquette, he didn't have parents to teach him how to behave, he didn't know what was or wasn't OK.  Some of the things Naruto did/said probably made her feel uncomfortable.  She was really young, she didn't know how lonely Naruto was or how much her negative actions would have positively impacted him.  We even saw that he transformed into Sasuke to get information out of her, he was young, that was relatively harmless, but it was also pretty manipulative and even if Naruto didn't know what he was doing, it doesn't mean Sakura wouldn't have felt pretty negatively about it (I honestly want Sakura to be somewhat annoyed when/if she finds out/figures out that Naruto was transformed into Sasuke).

 

Even back then it seems that Naruto called her Sakura-chan, and Megi correct me if I'm wrong but as I understand it "chan" is a familiar term of endearment.  It's a suffix used with one's children, it's so familiar that teachers in general don't use it with their students (that's what -kun is for), it's something that men use for their wives/lovers/girlfriends.  Putting myself in Sakura's postion at that time I imagine it would be like a guy, who I barely know, who is a loud mouth who gets the class into trouble quite a bit, unwittingly saying and doing things that bring me unwanted attention, all the while calling me "baby" or "sweetheart."  It would be uncomfortable, and considering Sakura's issues with bullying, her discomfort could have been heightened?

 

All that is must speculation/opinion on my part.  I could be totally off base...

[Hanabi]

Do any of you have any ideas as to how kishi will resolve Hinata>Naruto? i mean will he have Naruto just say no to her?

yup at the bolded

 

what will sakura do with sasuke? try TNJ him out of his evil ways or revert back and confess love or whatever? because this needs sorting and it seems that Kishi could do ANYTHING at this point..

he doesnt care about her at all. only naruto (and well juugo), she put on a pretense and is guarded against him now.. nothing she can do.. only naruto can help redeem sasuke now.

 

Even back then it seems that Naruto called her Sakura-chan, and Megi correct me if I'm wrong but as I understand it "chan" is a familiar term of endearment.  It's a suffix used with one's children, it's so familiar that teachers in general don't use it with their students (that's what -kun is for), it's something that men use for their wives/lovers/girlfriends.  Putting myself in Sakura's postion at that time I imagine it would be like a guy, who I barely know, who is a loud mouth who gets the class into trouble quite a bit, unwittingly saying and doing things that bring me unwanted attention, all the while calling me "baby" or "sweetheart."  It would be uncomfortable, and considering Sakura's issues with bullying, her discomfort could have been heightened?

 

All that is must speculation/opinion on my part.  I could be totally off base...

i dont think the suffix chan would make her feel uncomfortable. she doesnt even use any suffix when calling naruto for the first time.

Edited by Hanabi, 13 September 2013 - 08:34 AM.

[morgaine4]

^You might be right, I'm not Japanese so I can't say for sure, but based on my research and understanding -chan is specifically between extremely close individuals and prior to becoming Team 7 nothing's indicated that Sakura and Naruto were close or even friends --they were just classmates, Naruto had a crush on Sakura, and Sakura was constantly annoyed because of Naruto's teasing (or what she viewed as Naruto's teasing/interference).  The fact that Sakura didn't use any suffix for Naruto could indicate closeness, I guess, but honestly I don't that based on the manga there's enough information to indicate that.  Most of the evidende seems to indicate that Sakura didn't use a suffix with regards to Naruto because he simply wasn't worth formalities at that time, and she never started using suffixes because they'd become close it was not necessary.  Just like I could see -chan making her uncomfortable at first, while becoming something that could make her happy eventually.

[六道仙人]

What's the hell is this SS theory about Nanigi and Sakuya that they are talking about?

[Hanabi]

What's the hell is this SS theory about Nanigi and Sakuya that they are talking about?

i wrote about that farfetched theory in my first post in this website lol xD Basically its trying to link amaterasu as itachi, ninigi as sasuke and sakuya as sakura.

 

the myth of ninigi is that Amaterasu sent him to pacify Japan by bringing the three celestial gifts used by the emperor.The sword Kusanagi(sasuke sword name), the mirror Yata no kagami(itachi ultimate defense), and the jewel Yasakani no magatama (look like tomoe)

 

so its supposed to link that similarly itachi want sasuke to restore uchiha clan... or something like that

 

sakuya is the blossom-princess and symbol of delicate earthly life. and sakura comes into the picture because there was a cover of her holding a uchiha fan (looks like it but not sure) on a beach. and in the myth ningi meets his wife sakuya on the beach.

 

sakura cover page

Edited by Hanabi, 13 September 2013 - 10:19 AM.

[六道仙人]

So Sakura and Sauske will fallen in love each other on a beach?

[Hanabi]

^Haha, yeah, that'll be the day..

[Nostradamus]

This is exactly it.  This was a way to close (or enter the final stages of wrapping of) both Neji and Hinata's characters.  Hinata's speech revolved around Neji and Naruto's nindo, and I think Hinata was the best person to talk to Naruto about both of these things.  It in no way makes Hinata the heroine, especially after Kishi specifically stated in an interview that Sakura was the heroine, despite other fans thinking Hinata might be a better one.

 

As much as I hate 615 because Naruto's character was degraded in order to make Hinata look good, a character had to die in order for Hinata to get her shining moment and on and on. I agree Hinata was the best person to give that speech. Because Hinata is the one in love with Naruto's nindo. She knows nothing about him expect that he never gives up.

Edited by Nostradamus, 13 September 2013 - 01:46 PM.

[Psychox]

i wrote about that farfetched theory in my first post in this website lol xD Basically its trying to link amaterasu as itachi, ninigi as sasuke and sakuya as sakura.

 

the myth of ninigi is that Amaterasu sent him to pacify Japan by bringing the three celestial gifts used by the emperor.The sword Kusanagi(sasuke sword name), the mirror Yata no kagami(itachi ultimate defense), and the jewel Yasakani no magatama (look like tomoe)

 

so its supposed to link that similarly itachi want sasuke to restore uchiha clan... or something like that

 

sakuya is the blossom-princess and symbol of delicate earthly life. and sakura comes into the picture because there was a cover of her holding a uchiha fan (looks like it but not sure) on a beach. and in the myth ningi meets his wife sakuya on the beach.

 

sakura cover page

 

Oww, its cute but that picture has nothing to do with Sasuke ,Manga plot or NS build up. Man, those fan fic readers/writers  having false hopes , i've got four words for them .

IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN .
 

 

So Sakura and Sauske will fallen in love each other on a beach?

 

lol , well , yeah why not , Sasuke OOC is so unlikely ... He has no interest in the female gender or rather hasn't showed it till this point . Not even in the male ..

What do those people expect ? Can some one enlighten me ?
 

 

 

As much as I hate 615 because Naruto's character was degraded in order to make Hinata look good, a character had to die in order for Hinata to get her shining moment and on and on. I agree Hinata was the best person to give that speech. Because Hinata is the one in love with Naruto's nindo. She knows nothing about him expect that he never gives up.

 

And a fight was interrupted for the second time to give her a chance to speak .

Edited by Psychox, 13 September 2013 - 02:18 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

As much as I hate 615 because Naruto's character was degraded in order to make Hinata look good, a character had to die in order for Hinata to get her shining moment and on and on. I agree Hinata was the best person to give that speech. Because Hinata is the one in love with Naruto's nindo. She knows nothing about him expect that he never gives up.

Many knows his nindo, but I thought it was good idea to have Hinata to talk to him because this is the only fitting time for Hinata to get her most likely final development. If taken by someone else, then where will she fit in. And yes, she is in love with his nindo, so if she don't take the moment, then, how can she fit in. Yeah, the setup was odd in a way, but hey, Kishi probably got no choice since he probably didn't have her in mind in this whole part 2 for all we know.

[Qia]

Many knows his nindo, but I thought it was good idea to have Hinata to talk to him because this is the only fitting time for Hinata to get her most likely final development. If taken by someone else, then where will she fit in. And yes, she is in love with his nindo, so if she don't take the moment, then, how can she fit in. Yeah, the setup was odd in a way, but hey, Kishi probably got no choice since he probably didn't have her in mind in this whole part 2 for all we know.

Actually I'm sure he did. 615 was basically a way to wrap up what happened during the exams in part 1, except the roles are switched. Neji is the one choosing how he will die/choosing his own destiny, Naruto's the one that seems defeated,at first, before Hinata pushes him to keep fighting. :)

Edited by Qia, 13 September 2013 - 02:15 PM.