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#8021 Sakamaki Izayoi

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 01:35 PM

QUOTE (Chucky-kun @ Jan 4 2013, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now I'm confused ;_;


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When I said more about Sasuke, I meant about the fact that she'll need to stand up for herself and not be all sad and helpless when she sees him. Not about the bonds. To be able to kittening kittenslap him, not "I thought I could do this"

I was talking about this why she must understand him to be able to kittenslap him i dont get it, since her development is not about it she could not punch sasuke because she loves him she could not kill him because of it not because she does not understand him.

later Sasuke didnt had any bond that can be similar to Sakura or Naruto, it should be Kakashi but he does not care about him.
Just look at their teachers how they are similar.
For this reason i said she can understand more Naruto with Tsunade's death and her last words than understanding Sasuke.

Per example If sasuke kills Kakashi then we would have a revenge issue for Sakura.

Now about luffy again he's not a troll he have good points but it's not a troll.
And some he's wrong but he did good points.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 04 January 2013 - 01:37 PM.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 01:45 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Jan 5 2013, 12:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was talking about this why she must understand him to be able to kittenslap him i dont get it, since her development is not about it she could not punch sasuke because she loves him she could not kill him because of it not because she does not understand him.

later Sasuke didnt had any bond that can be similar to Sakura or Naruto, it should be Kakashi but he does not care about him.
Just look at their teachers how they are similar.
For this reason i said she can understand more Naruto with Tsunade's death and her last words than understanding Sasuke.

Per example If sasuke kills Kakashi then we would have a revenge issue for Sakura.

Now about luffy again he's not a troll he have good points but it's not a troll.
And some he's wrong but he did good points.

I see where your coming from but I think you and chatte are talking about different things. Chatte says that sakura's bond with Sasuke will give her better development than her bond with tsunade whilst your saying that tsunades death will bring Sakura and naruto closer than understanding sasuke's motives.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 01:46 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Jan 3 2013, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That was a fake interview made by a fan.

Well fake or not, he was right! lol ironic i know.

Man im still on page 387 and you guys jumped to page 402.....ugh back to reading LAP'S.....dry.gif

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 02:28 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Jan 4 2013, 09:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I always felt like there won't be answer done in conversation, rather done by actions Hinata may witness. I would wait until this arc ends because it all depends if Naruto and Sakura interact in this battle. There are anime/manga that simply ignores the side character's love story (though Shoujo usually involves them), so don't be surprise if that could happen here. That said I am wondering why her confession has been scratched off in media lately. Only us fans know about it and keep focusing on this. Even Sakura's confession got a lot of attention, so why not Hinata's.

@Chucky-Kun: Thank you for the link. I guess he's not holding back on anything. I guess you can say an auto-win for shippers. tongue.gif


Because there was no follow up for a long time. However now that Hinata and Naruto are interacting like this, you'll probably see a lot more attention given to the pairing in episodes and general media.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 02:44 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Jan 4 2013, 05:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was talking about this why she must understand him to be able to kittenslap him i dont get it, since her development is not about it she could not punch sasuke because she loves him she could not kill him because of it not because she does not understand him.

later Sasuke didnt had any bond that can be similar to Sakura or Naruto, it should be Kakashi but he does not care about him.
Just look at their teachers how they are similar.
For this reason i said she can understand more Naruto with Tsunade's death and her last words than understanding Sasuke.

Per example If sasuke kills Kakashi then we would have a revenge issue for Sakura.

Now about luffy again he's not a troll he have good points but it's not a troll.
And some he's wrong but he did good points.


It will be different if Sasuke kills Tsunade for both Naruto and Sakura.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:48 PM

QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Jan 4 2013, 09:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because there was no follow up for a long time. However now that Hinata and Naruto are interacting like this, you'll probably see a lot more attention given to the pairing in episodes and general media.

Perhaps, though that would only more it will be grand for Naruto and Sakura to interact after the whole confession scene. Not trying to be biased, but the media has more attention to the main characters' situation. There's no follow up until now, true, but I would wait to see if there's any follow up to the latest one. Otherwise, it will be too late. It will be destroyed if Naruto and Sakura pull a OVA 2011 moment or at least similar to it. It's as I said a while back, this is Hinata's last shot.

You know, I do think Sakura will only connect to Naruto if Tsunade does die. Naruto does have a relationship with Tsunade. After all, she let him go to war and have faith in him to end the hatred. I can't help but now think that Naruto will use the latest development and tell Sakura that she's one of those people who was willing to sacrifice. That's just me but that's how I feel as of now. Also, this is obviously a guess, but you know, Sakura only connects herself to Naruto in the movie when feeling alone. That said Sasuke is the same (or similar) to Naruto, so why no connection and for that matter, shouldn't technically be the same as Sasuke more than Naruto yet she only connects Naruto. Ah I'm only thinking too much. tongue.gif

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:10 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 4 2013, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's not different. It means throwing up his life. Yes, circumstances might be different, however, the outcome is the same. Naruto giving his life. No one will let Naruto do that, especially Sakura.





Overall, of course it will be left to Naruto, however, I don't think Sakura will have no implications. Yes, she said she has faith in them, not that she'll not do something about it. Remember that every since end of Part 1 and beginning of Shippuden, Sakura wanted to do it along Naruto, to do it together so he won't have to do this out alone, they're both part of Team 7, she's always been feeling guilty for letting Naruto go alone in Part 1 after Sasuke.
So, yes, she might not be fully involved in their clash, however, she'll play her part.

See, you dismissed my speculation with Team Taka and everything, yet you made your own speculation. How comes your is more right than mine? This is one thing I dislike mostly. People saying you're not right, it's speculation, totally dismissing it, when they, themselves doing the same thing.

Luffy, I always enjoyed your posts every since I came here and you know I have agreed with you in some occasions and in some, not.

This is one of them.

Fine if you don't agree with me, but don't tell me I'm only speculating when you're doing the exact same thing.




Actually, it was about after the clash they had... They knew he had met Sasuke and the fact that they will have to face him.



Hence the you're going to fight Sasuke alone.

The only one stressing what you said, was Neji.



Overall, they were talking about Naruto vs. Sasuke and the fact that they won't let him do it alone, even if he wants to.

Yes, he still continued about the only one who is fighting Sasuke is me and yes, Sakura was thinking about that thing we're both going to die, that's why she was thinking in 573 about all fighting together.

In 573 was about everyone's feelings leading towards Naruto, not the situation.

This:



Is connected to this:



Because Sakura will be together with him, because Sakura won't let Naruto fight alone if that means getting himself killed.

Yes, the clash will be between them, but did it occured to you, that, maybe, their clash will be the new Three Way of Offence and Defense? The New Neo Sannins? I have a theory about this, yeah, might be pure speculation, however it fits some patterns.

Anyway, the idea is that from what we are presented overall, yes, Sasuke has been entrusted to Naruto to save him, but nowhere it said for sure that he'll fight him alone. And from what it seems, he won't.





As I said, you dismiss my speculation, yet, you're praising yours.
And as I showed you, I have evidential claims that might out-weight yours.
So, please, drop the dead-diva attitude. Or how was the term? Sorry, English is not my first language, as you all know and my country shows it.
What you really want is not what you really might get. We all want NS cannon. Did that happen and went as we wanted? Until now, no.
Yes, Kishi has been giving both power-ups, but that doesn't mean in the meantime Sakura won't get it in order to be helpful to Naruto. As for now, Naruto has no counter to Amaterasu and the fact that the Kyuubi can be controlled via Genjutsu. We saw in Sasuke's meet with Kurama inside Naruto that the Kyuubi said Sasuke has a more sinister chakra than him.
This is where Sakura might be helpful to Naruto.
Yes, pure speculation from my part, but not totally out of the ordinary. Let's not forget that she was foreshadowed as the second Tsunade, Katsuyu will be automatically hers, or another slug, and slugs were shown to be highly resistant to high damage. Maybe this is where comes the counter for Amaterasu, for example.
As well, Sakura might get him out of genjutsu, as it was a bit foreshadowed back in Itachi meeting.
Yes, speculations, once again, but not out of the ordinary.

So my request is, next time when you speculate something, don't dismiss other's speculation, because in the end, we're both speculating. Doesn't matter how much it weights.




Team Taka is meeting Sasuke (Karin is on her way). Sakura said he won't fight alone.
I'd call that foreshadowing more than speculating.

But once again, don't throw in my face I am speculating when you're doing the same thing as well.

And one more think to add. Madara (Sasuke) vs Hashirama (Naruto).
As we all know, Hashirama had help in the fight with the Kyuubi factor from Mito.
So there was a female involved, a third party.
What makes people believe Sakura won't be a third party in that fight?



That was a very nice post and I agree with you, Sakura will play a major role in the future we just need to be patient.


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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:41 PM

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Why can't we just have fun debates anymore?

Hopefully we'll go back to those golden days....

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:45 PM

QUOTE (Canadian_DJ @ Jan 4 2013, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hopefully we'll go back to those golden days....

We will XD It's slowly coming back biggrin.gif

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:57 PM

QUOTE (T XD @ Jan 4 2013, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We will XD It's slowly coming back biggrin.gif

Just wait until this little Hinata era is over, and I'm sure we'll come back stronger than ever.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:08 PM

QUOTE (Sojobo @ Jan 3 2013, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
First of all, let's talk about facts.
It's not Naruto but Sakura that is seeing him and Sasuke like her little brothers. The Databook confirms that, Sakura likes to play the role of the big sister with them, you can see her seperate them a lot when they are fighting together, she also holds their hands in the Chuunin Exam, like "come on, just make friends".
Naruto in the other hand doesn't see Sakura like a big sister at all, this is not the attitude that he's showing towards her.
Naruto is her light, he's the only one who brings her hope. He supports her in her lovestory.
And he does this for only one thing : Because he loves her, not like a sister but like a woman, a girlfriend.
He loves Sakura, he always did, if he doesn't love her anymore, that would be real bad writing, because Kishi doesn't show that in the manga.
Even if he gets together with Hinata, there will be no logic at all, cause Kishi didn't show a boy who can easly give up about his feelings for her. Feelings that are probably to strong to forget.
He did the same for her what did Hinata for him. He did even better, he risked his life against Gaara to save her, he sacrificed his happiness only for her, he only wants "her" hapiness, that's even why Kishi introduced Sai's speech at the snow village. Sai's words back there woudn't make sense if Naruto is in love right now with Hinata.

The only thing we have to worry about is Kishimoto's writing. If he's a good writer, than there wont be NH canon, cause he didn't gives the right developpement into the manga to change Naruto's feelings for getting him paired with Hinata. This developpement doesn't exist, the only developpement I see is a boy who gives all he got to make the one he loves happy, without asking something in exchange... that's all.
The guy doesn't give up, even if he doesn't get together with Sakura, even if she doesn't love her in the end, he doesn't care, he just loves her.
That's a development made so they can be together in the end, because Kishimoto plays a lot with Sakura's feelings at the same time.
Why do her saying that she doesn't understand her feelings for him in Zabuza's arc and in all 3 Databooks ? Why waiting the end of the manga to show her realize the meaning of those feelings ? Why creating Yamato's speech and Sai's questionning about her feelings for Naruto ?
Naruto doesn't get the "be in love with another person, learn to know about him" developpement. Sakura does.



I really hope Kishi doesn't make us Naruto in love with Hinata at the moment, because this just doesn't make sense right now.
Naruto can't see Sakura as a sister because he doesn't show this kind of attitude to her, like she did for him of Sasuke.
Naruto loves her, Sai isn't stupid either, Kishimoto didn't draw that panel for nothing.

I kinda understand that most of people aren'tso sure anymore about NS being canon, but just keep in mind what Kishimoto wrote in the past, and even recently with the movies and Chikara.
He is showing us Naruto loving Sakura. That's all we need to know.
Chapter 615 is just Hinata's final development, Kishi gives her what she wants, fighting holding Naruto's hands, and give some sh*tty fanservice for Hinata's fandom (NH fandom doesn't exist, they are just all Hinata fans who doesn't care about quality in the pairing story, it just confirmed with chapter 615)
Kishi said in his last ITW that everyone will get their moments. Hinata is the first one to show up, isn't this enough to let you know that she will not appears last ?
We all know that the last charecter getting final developpement will be the most important one into this fight against Obito.
Kishi gives us the impression to forget about her, but I'm sure she will get her story after all characters will be showed up. (Neji will not be the only one to die, be sure of that)

Just don't give a kitten about chapter 615, it's just Hinata's fanservice, like we will have some for Shikamaru and other characters.
Hope I convinced some NS fans here. ^^


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Awsome post, this is a boss post!!! nice to see our fellow narusaku fans back in action!!

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Jan 4 2013, 12:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Copying & pasting a comment from Slextrem's video. Let me state for the record that I completely agree with this comment.

"Here's a question. Why is it that Sakura is being kept in the dark about Sasuke's motive for all of this? Naruto was on the verge of telling her, but he gets interrupted by Kakashi.

Kakashi didn't want word getting out about the truth of Itachi, until the matter could be confirmed and the village was restored back to normal. See, Sakura is under the impression that Sasuke's doing this for no reason at all. I feel like her finding out the truth will ultimately determine her opinion of Sasuke."

Makes perfect sense.

Yes it does make sense, but you see kishi fashioned sakura as a girl who doesn't understand men, which is the reason why kishi made sakura have a crush on sasuke so randomly, that being said, why would kishi make her like this and develope feelings for sakura towards naruto, if he's gonna jump back to square one? thats just a waste of time for kishi, and us readers.Just doesn't make sense.

Edited by Sakura Blossoms, 04 January 2013 - 05:15 PM.
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#8032 Canadian_DJ

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:34 PM

QUOTE (Sakura Blossoms @ Jan 4 2013, 05:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@ luffyq1 - You have been Officially Warned in the past for trolling, pairing baiting, instigating, and insulting members. You're doing it again. This latest chapter is forcing us Mods to make public examples when warnings are usually a private matter. You are receiving another Official Warning for what comes down to trolling/instigating/insulting. You've also racked up a number of Reports against yourself. One more Warning and you will receive a Forum Temp Ban.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:36 PM

QUOTE (Canadian_DJ @ Jan 4 2013, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes it does make sense, but you see kishi fashioned sakura as a girl who doesn't understand men, which is the reason why kishi made sakura have a crush on sasuke so randomly, that being said, why would kishi make her like this and develope feelings for sakura towards naruto, if he's gonna jump back to square one? thats just a waste of time for kishi, and us readers.Just doesn't make sense.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:42 PM

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That was a very nice post and I agree with you, Sakura will play a major role in the future we just need to be patient.


Yes, we have to be patient. Besides Sakura cannot be close to Naruto or shine right now because duty as medic, and that is why she is behind to attend to the injured, but when it is the time NS will be unleash.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 05:48 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 4 2013, 06:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's not different. It means throwing up his life. Yes, circumstances might be different, however, the outcome is the same. Naruto giving his life. No one will let Naruto do that, especially Sakura.


Actually the circumstances allow a different outcome, for the fight with Madara and Obito Naruto can't afford to die because it would give Madara and Obito the win and the World is doomed, but with Sasuke while if Sasuke kills Naruto then the world may be doomed (I say may be doom because we don't know what Sasuke is planing yet) but if both Naruto and Sasuke die in the fight then the ultimate outcome would be the same as if Naruto had survived (minus the obvious of Naruto not being alive)

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Overall, of course it will be left to Naruto, however, I don't think Sakura will have no implications. Yes, she said she has faith in them, not that she'll not do something about it. Remember that every since end of Part 1 and beginning of Shippuden, Sakura wanted to do it along Naruto, to do it together so he won't have to do this out alone, they're both part of Team 7, she's always been feeling guilty for letting Naruto go alone in Part 1 after Sasuke.
So, yes, she might not be fully involved in their clash, however, she'll play her part.


The problem is that she while Sakura may not want to let Naruto do it alone, she just doesn't have a choice, she is nowhere even remotely close to being about to contribute against Sasuke and if she were to be a part of the fight she would only be in the way, which as much as she doesn't want to let Naruto go it alone, she also doesn't want to be a burden to Naruto.

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Actually, it was about after the clash they had... They knew he had met Sasuke and the fact that they will have to face him.
Hence the you're going to fight Sasuke alone.

The only one stressing what you said, was Neji.
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Overall, they were talking about Naruto vs. Sasuke and the fact that they won't let him do it alone, even if he wants to.

Yes, he still continued about the only one who is fighting Sasuke is me and yes, Sakura was thinking about that thing we're both going to die, that's why she was thinking in 573 about all fighting together.

In 573 was about everyone's feelings leading towards Naruto, not the situation.

This:
Is connected to this:
Because Sakura will be together with him, because Sakura won't let Naruto fight alone if that means getting himself killed.

Yes, the clash will be between them, but did it occured to you, that, maybe, their clash will be the new Three Way of Offence and Defense? The New Neo Sannins? I have a theory about this, yeah, might be pure speculation, however it fits some patterns.

Anyway, the idea is that from what we are presented overall, yes, Sasuke has been entrusted to Naruto to save him, but nowhere it said for sure that he'll fight him alone. And from what it seems, he won't.


The two pages are not connected Chapter 573 was talking about the war while chapter 488 was talking about Sasuke, the reason I'm going by this is that the theme of Naruto and Sasuke's relationship and I will explain how.

With the war and the fight with Madara and Obito, especially Madara who believes himself to be superior to even an army and in his current state as a Edo Tensei Zombie he can back that up because he doesn't have to worry about dieing but even when/if Obito revives him it will probable still take the entire Alliance to defeat him but they will eventually defeat him. But with Madara and Obito it is fallowing the entire theme of the Manga of teamwork being better then going solo.

With Sasuke on the other hand all through the Manga Sasuke has been saying that Naruto will never surpass him in strength, and having Sakura, Kakashi and Sai help him would only prove Sasuke right. But while Sasuke also seems to think that he is stronger then an army he hasn't been able to back that up, hell Sasuke hasn't been able beat anyone except Orochimaru (who was in a severely weakened state at the time) every other time he's fought he lost (with Kabuto, Itachi really did most of the work), but one thing with Sasuke is that while he has acknowledged that Naruto is close to him in strength, he still believes that he is stronger then Naruto, and that is something that Naruto has to prove and to do that he has to do it alone, now some my say that that contradicts the whole Teamwork theme of the Manga but they are forgetting about Kurama who Naruto has called his partner, the two are working together now and they will most definitely need to against Sasuke especially if Kishi does give Sasuke Perfect Susanoo

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Yes, Kishi has been giving both power-ups, but that doesn't mean in the meantime Sakura won't get it in order to be helpful to


The problem with that is that there has been no foreshadowing and while Sasuke's power ups may seem like complete ass-pulls there was some for shadowing for them bear minimal foreshadowing but foreshadowing none the less. the only possible power-up for her at this point that has any kind foreshadowing would be a possible Sage Mode, but Sakura doesn't have the chakra for that (remember Kabuto had to resort to self experimentation to obtain it)

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Naruto. As for now, Naruto has no counter to Amaterasu and the fact that the Kyuubi can be controlled via Genjutsu. We saw in Sasuke's meet with Kurama inside Naruto that the Kyuubi said Sasuke has a more sinister chakra than him.
This is where Sakura might be helpful to Naruto.
Yes, pure speculation from my part, but not totally out of the ordinary. Let's not forget that she was foreshadowed as the second Tsunade, Katsuyu will be automatically hers, or another slug, and slugs were shown to be highly resistant to high damage. Maybe this is where comes the counter for Amaterasu, for example.
As well, Sakura might get him out of genjutsu, as it was a bit foreshadowed back in Itachi meeting.
Yes, speculations, once again, but not out of the ordinary.

So my request is, next time when you speculate something, don't dismiss other's speculation, because in the end, we're both speculating. Doesn't matter how much it weights.


For Amaterasu Naruto has a few options to counter it
  • Sage Mode, or more specifically his ability to extend natural energy to widen the range of his punches, who's to say that it won't be able to deflect Amaterasu in a similar way as Nagato used Shinra Tensai (I think that's how it's spelled) to get the flames off of him
  • Sage Mode Rasengshuriken, I can shred anything into nothing and it has a very wide range
  • His chakra cloak/arms, Amaterasu can't hurt him if it can't hit him.
  • Speed, while in Nine-Tailes Chakra Mode Naruto has shown speed on the level of Minato's, and could very well be capable to dodging Amaterasu with shear speed
  • And last be certainly not least the Tailed Beast Ball, Mini Tailed Beast Ball or Tailed Beast Rasengan after all remember that Amaterasu is still just a jutsu.


As for Genjutsu, while it's true that Genjutsu is Naruto weak point it was also mentioned to be B's weak point too yet Sasuke's Genjutsu has been proven useless against B due to Gyuki, the only difference between the incidents is that Naruto and Kurama were at odds with each other while B and Gyuki were pretty much best friends, and judging from the fact that Obito was able to control Yagura and by extent Isobu (the Three-Tails) tells me that the Sharingan doesn't just control Kurama but all the Biju which mean that somehow when the Jinchuriki is on good terms with their Biju they can not be controled, this is supported by the fact that Madara has not tried to control Kurama or to put Naruto under Genjutsu he probably already know's it's useless.

And as for the Slugs, remember Nagato's Dog Summon had a similar ability yet Itachi was able to kill it using Amaterasu.

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Team Taka is meeting Sasuke (Karin is on her way). Sakura said he won't fight alone.
I'd call that foreshadowing more than speculating.


I think that if there is going to be a Team 7 vs. Taka fight I think it will play out like the Sasuke Retrieval Team vs. the Sound Five during the Sasuke Retrieval arc. in that the teams will brake down into one-on-one fights like Sai vs. Suigetsu, Sakura vs. Karin, Yamato vs. Juugo, Kakashi vs. Orochimaru and Naruto vs. Sasuke but just like the Sasuke Retrieval arc Sasuke would only fight Naruto.

But the biggest argument against this is that from what I heard the editor had to fight Kishi really hard to include Suigetsu and Juugo in a fight scene.

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And one more think to add. Madara (Sasuke) vs Hashirama (Naruto).
As we all know, Hashirama had help in the fight with the Kyuubi factor from Mito.
So there was a female involved, a third party.
What makes people believe Sakura won't be a third party in that fight?


One problem nowhere in the manga does it say that Mito was present in the fight and I have evidence that backs that up.
  1. It established early in Part II that Hashirama was able to control Biju and according to Obito at one point had multiple Biju under his control and that he sent them to the other villages and while the obvious counter argument to this would be that Obito couldn't have know that but this is something that Madara could have taught him.
  2. When Kushina was telling Mito's story she said that Mito sealed Kurama inside herself to help Hashirama control it which means that Hashirama already had control of Kurama at the time.
  3. During Kurama's flashback when Naruto was trying to free Son Goku showed Hashirama talking to him while looking like he had just came from battle, the only battle that could have been is the battle with Madara.
  4. When Madara used the Wood dragon Technique a few chapters ago he said that was the technique that Hashirama used to restrain Kurama with during their fight.
  5. And finally would Madara be praising Hashirama (someone he absolutely hate) so much if Mito also had a part in the fight.

So in conclusion evidence point to Hashirama fighting Madara alone.

Yes Naruto and Sasuke's fight is basically an extension of the Hashirama and Madara fight but I think you're forgetting the one that is the root of it the fight between the Sage of Six Path's two sons. and just like those fights were one-on-one I believe Naruto and Sasuke's fight will aslo be a one-on-one fight.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:07 PM

QUOTE (Canadian_DJ @ Jan 4 2013, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
About time the mods have arrived, things are getting outta hand, keep watching for trolls, and such, maintain this narusaku FC and make sure it stays peacful.

The mods have been here and on top of this the whole time.

Unfortunately, the public warning of one member does not fix the bigger problem: There would have been a lot less bickering if other longtime members had behaved maturely and moved on when they disagreed, instead dragging the petty arguments on page after page.

Many members have been warned as a result of this mess, not just the few who's names surface here. So this isn't a matter of NS vs. every other ship. There were plenty of NS supporters who contributed to the squabbling.

And there will be more trouble in the future. More new members, and possibly a few trolls. It is only to be expected as the manga ramps up tension. But it takes two to tango.

Trollish behavior is certainly going to be squashed. But also after this, the endless bickering with those trolls by NS members is going to be reined in as well. It may not be breaking any rules, but it definitely drags down the site for the rest of us.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:07 PM

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Deconstruction.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 06:18 PM

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Desconstruction is what happened to Naruto on 615.

This is the worst thing that happen on a story.

Sasuke coming back to the village will make Sakura back to part 1 probably.
Which is a deconstruction.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:20 PM

QUOTE (Jake @ Jan 4 2013, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually the circumstances allow a different outcome, for the fight with Madara and Obito Naruto can't afford to die because it would give Madara and Obito the win and the World is doomed, but with Sasuke while if Sasuke kills Naruto then the world may be doomed (I say may be doom because we don't know what Sasuke is planing yet) but if both Naruto and Sasuke die in the fight then the ultimate outcome would be the same as if Naruto had survived (minus the obvious of Naruto not being alive)



The problem is that she while Sakura may not want to let Naruto do it alone, she just doesn't have a choice, she is nowhere even remotely close to being about to contribute against Sasuke and if she were to be a part of the fight she would only be in the way, which as much as she doesn't want to let Naruto go it alone, she also doesn't want to be a burden to Naruto.



The two pages are not connected Chapter 573 was talking about the war while chapter 488 was talking about Sasuke, the reason I'm going by this is that the theme of Naruto and Sasuke's relationship and I will explain how.

With the war and the fight with Madara and Obito, especially Madara who believes himself to be superior to even an army and in his current state as a Edo Tensei Zombie he can back that up because he doesn't have to worry about dieing but even when/if Obito revives him it will probable still take the entire Alliance to defeat him but they will eventually defeat him. But with Madara and Obito it is fallowing the entire theme of the Manga of teamwork being better then going solo.

With Sasuke on the other hand all through the Manga Sasuke has been saying that Naruto will never surpass him in strength, and having Sakura, Kakashi and Sai help him would only prove Sasuke right. But while Sasuke also seems to think that he is stronger then an army he hasn't been able to back that up, hell Sasuke hasn't been able beat anyone except Orochimaru (who was in a severely weakened state at the time) every other time he's fought he lost (with Kabuto, Itachi really did most of the work), but one thing with Sasuke is that while he has acknowledged that Naruto is close to him in strength, he still believes that he is stronger then Naruto, and that is something that Naruto has to prove and to do that he has to do it alone, now some my say that that contradicts the whole Teamwork theme of the Manga but they are forgetting about Kurama who Naruto has called his partner, the two are working together now and they will most definitely need to against Sasuke especially if Kishi does give Sasuke Perfect Susanoo



The problem with that is that there has been no foreshadowing and while Sasuke's power ups may seem like complete ass-pulls there was some for shadowing for them bear minimal foreshadowing but foreshadowing none the less. the only possible power-up for her at this point that has any kind foreshadowing would be a possible Sage Mode, but Sakura doesn't have the chakra for that (remember Kabuto had to resort to self experimentation to obtain it)



For Amaterasu Naruto has a few options to counter it
  • Sage Mode, or more specifically his ability to extend natural energy to widen the range of his punches, who's to say that it won't be able to deflect Amaterasu in a similar way as Nagato used Shinra Tensai (I think that's how it's spelled) to get the flames off of him
  • Sage Mode Rasengshuriken, I can shred anything into nothing and it has a very wide range
  • His chakra cloak/arms, Amaterasu can't hurt him if it can't hit him.
  • Speed, while in Nine-Tailes Chakra Mode Naruto has shown speed on the level of Minato's, and could very well be capable to dodging Amaterasu with shear speed
  • And last be certainly not least the Tailed Beast Ball, Mini Tailed Beast Ball or Tailed Beast Rasengan after all remember that Amaterasu is still just a jutsu.


As for Genjutsu, while it's true that Genjutsu is Naruto weak point it was also mentioned to be B's weak point too yet Sasuke's Genjutsu has been proven useless against B due to Gyuki, the only difference between the incidents is that Naruto and Kurama were at odds with each other while B and Gyuki were pretty much best friends, and judging from the fact that Obito was able to control Yagura and by extent Isobu (the Three-Tails) tells me that the Sharingan doesn't just control Kurama but all the Biju which mean that somehow when the Jinchuriki is on good terms with their Biju they can not be controled, this is supported by the fact that Madara has not tried to control Kurama or to put Naruto under Genjutsu he probably already know's it's useless.

And as for the Slugs, remember Nagato's Dog Summon had a similar ability yet Itachi was able to kill it using Amaterasu.



I think that if there is going to be a Team 7 vs. Taka fight I think it will play out like the Sasuke Retrieval Team vs. the Sound Five during the Sasuke Retrieval arc. in that the teams will brake down into one-on-one fights like Sai vs. Suigetsu, Sakura vs. Karin, Yamato vs. Juugo, Kakashi vs. Orochimaru and Naruto vs. Sasuke but just like the Sasuke Retrieval arc Sasuke would only fight Naruto.

But the biggest argument against this is that from what I heard the editor had to fight Kishi really hard to include Suigetsu and Juugo in a fight scene.



One problem nowhere in the manga does it say that Mito was present in the fight and I have evidence that backs that up.
  1. It established early in Part II that Hashirama was able to control Biju and according to Obito at one point had multiple Biju under his control and that he sent them to the other villages and while the obvious counter argument to this would be that Obito couldn't have know that but this is something that Madara could have taught him.
  2. When Kushina was telling Mito's story she said that Mito sealed Kurama inside herself to help Hashirama control it which means that Hashirama already had control of Kurama at the time.
  3. During Kurama's flashback when Naruto was trying to free Son Goku showed Hashirama talking to him while looking like he had just came from battle, the only battle that could have been is the battle with Madara.
  4. When Madara used the Wood dragon Technique a few chapters ago he said that was the technique that Hashirama used to restrain Kurama with during their fight.
  5. And finally would Madara be praising Hashirama (someone he absolutely hate) so much if Mito also had a part in the fight.

So in conclusion evidence point to Hashirama fighting Madara alone.

Yes Naruto and Sasuke's fight is basically an extension of the Hashirama and Madara fight but I think you're forgetting the one that is the root of it the fight between the Sage of Six Path's two sons. and just like those fights were one-on-one I believe Naruto and Sasuke's fight will aslo be a one-on-one fight.



Between your post and Chatte's post I believe yours is far more accurate and detailed, like you I also wish for Naruto to beat the crap out of Sasuke alone, but when I look back I notice that Sakura's window to shine is gating smaller and smaller both character mostly Sakura after all the stuff Kishi put her through, I wish Chatte's speculation were the one Kishi takes in consideration, even when yours is far more realistic when it comes to the Naruto vs
Sasuke fight.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 07:45 PM

Sakura will probably play a role in the after of the Sasuke vs Naruto fight. Like some sort of an aftermath.

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