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[sushi.]

Its obvious but , who knows Kishi may change hes opinion , since 615 i saw him make Hinata a heroine , instead of Sakura....

If you say so..

[DattebayoXShannaro]

I like your new sig, NaruSaku4Life

 

Only a few people know what Obito was like before, and that was Kakashi and Minato.  Gai, Inochi and Shikaku knew him as well, but not on a personal level.  As far as Naruto was concerned, Obito is just one acquaintance of Kakashi, who took the wrong path.  Everything Kakashi stated about Naruto being similar to Obito is stated in his thoughts only.  Naruto even bluntly said to Kakashi to save the explanations for later, because now is not the time.  If there is an ObiRin parallel to NaruSaku, it will most likely happen without Naruto or Sakura's knowledge.  I mean they don't even know about Rin yet, nor does Sakura know that Obito was Kakashi's teammate.  Both the hero and heroine don't know about the villain's past love life.  So, how will it be incorporated?

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 11 September 2013 - 10:10 PM.

[Inferno180]

With the whole situation from the current chapter, I'm starting to feel that there will a second to last arc coming up, the ten tails revival is done, all the shinobi who remain, they are going to be nailed by the eye of the moon plan.

 

Sakura and Bee being hurt guess it at least adds to the drama for Naruto and pissing him off to retaliate.

 

I just get the feeling though that the next chapter with the end of volume 67, we get a major hand off for the next volume to start a new arc, the dream world arc or so. Otherwise the 5 kage come in and blow the tree's eye out before it can fire off in a sudden strike, kinda like what Hiruzen did to save Naruto.

 

Sakura is going to be fine, we can only say for now she got knicked by the tree and lost a fair portion of her energy but she is still alive and has protection and plot shielding. As Peter Griffin said when he was playing Han Solo, "Look we have 4 or 5 of the main characters on this ship, I think we'll be fine. There is plenty of plot armor for Sakura, Sai, Bee, and other people. Sakura in her case (cause she was the only character shown harmed aside from Bee) has Katsuyu and Tsunade (in route) along with the whole team 7 reuniting good ending aspect. Others like Obito though, his plot armor goes on until this fight ends, then something big happens (maybe relating to Shikamaru's small power, big output deal) whatever it is by moment to strike back at Obito, Naruto and a few overcome the genjutsu, or Obito himself gets some reconciliation, then the fight ends, we move onto more downtime, then the final battle between Naruto and Sasuke.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I like your new sig, NaruSaku4Life
 

Thank you.:)

[HauntedCake]

I wonder if jubbitos gentutsu world will happen much like RTN or will it be stopped b4 its cast

[TouKen4Life3g]

I wonder if jubbitos gentutsu world will happen much like RTN or will it be stopped b4 its cast

What do you think? I think it will be stopped or might come up with a time limit excuse alas DBZ Namek destruction.

[T XD]

I wonder if jubbitos gentutsu world will happen much like RTN or will it be stopped b4 its cast

I think it will be stopped. I don't think Kishi will make the story change drastically. I think also he had done his view on the genjutsu world in the RtN.

Edited by T XD, 11 September 2013 - 10:24 PM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

He should made Sakura remind Naruto who he is not Hinata or maybe Shikamaru? , i mean what does Hinata know about him? she doesnt know the rivarly between him and Sasuke

 

Nor the Kyuubi

 

She just knows the other side of his character the no giving up side.

 

Thats what inspired her the no giving up side of Naruto's character 

 

Apologies for the late reply. I know this has been explained before but I'll try my hand at it .

 

Yes, he could have used Sakura or Shikamaru or even Kakashi and gotten the same end result, but he didn't. He chose Hinata for the role and the reason, I believe, was to bring Hinata full circle as a character and also resolve the subplot between Naruto, Hinata and Neji. Was it necessary in the overall plot? No, but it was something Kishi decided to do for whatever reason. And you're right, all Hinata really knows about Naruto is his nindo and 'never give up' philosophy and that's why she was ultimately best suited to the role. 

 

Her speech was not about Sasuke or the Kyuubi, it was about not giving up and not letting other people's sacrifice be in vain, people need him and believe in him. That's what Hinata is, a personification of Naruto's determination against the odds. I think, at the core, that's why the pairing appeals to people.

 

Naruto and Hinata's relationship has always been about encouragement, like she did in 615 and before his fight with Neji in the Chuunin exams and like he did after he saved her from Zetsu and other times when he didn't even realize. 615 didn't really change anything between them, it's still about encouragement and moving forward no matter what, and because of that I see no reason to be concerned about it.

Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 12 September 2013 - 03:09 PM.

[Paptala]

Remember how the anime extremely downplayed the naruhina moment when naruto saved hinata but made no changes to the narusaku part? What if this Thursday they do the same thing... More recently the anime team has made it obvious narusaku is endgame. At least it appears to be what they are leaning further towards.

I think the only reason the anime team downplayed that moment at all is because they needed to make it consistent with previous filler episodes (where Naruto had been fighting with Shino in KCM mode).

 

For the upcoming episode, I think that there is pretty much an equal chance that the anime team with either keep it exactly as it was in the mnaga, or add to it with flashbacks - not just to Hinata's inner monologue, but everyone's.  I can see them padding it in that manner in order to drag it out to fill an entire episode in itself.

 

This is a pretty negative view for a NaruSaku fan haha. He didn't set up 615 the way he did in order to make "room" for Hinata to be the possible heroine. He started wrapping up the development of her character.

This is exactly it.  This was a way to close (or enter the final stages of wrapping of) both Neji and Hinata's characters.  Hinata's speech revolved around Neji and Naruto's nindo, and I think Hinata was the best person to talk to Naruto about both of these things.  It in no way makes Hinata the heroine, especially after Kishi specifically stated in an interview that Sakura was the heroine, despite other fans thinking Hinata might be a better one.

 

That's true.

I admit, tomorrow should be interesting to see how they will handle 573. It was infamous moment with Hinata pretty much proclaiming to be his lover, but that all changes when 615 happened. That said it should be interesting to see how the anime handled it. Yes, they have been obvious and at this rate, I think we supposed to get it already. From what I heard, many already know, but just because it's obvious, doesn't mean they can't like another pairing.

In other words, anime pretty much got the understanding and feel confident enough that they are doing what's right. Fairy Tail anime made way more obvious than manga and that's saying a lot. Naruto is only doing that. When the manga ends or one pairing (not NS) ends or NS becomes canon, all of us will see the overall much differently, I can guarantee you that.

I think the anime goes off of their own interpretations of the manga (and perhaps whatever interaction they may have with Kishimoto).  I mean, since the start of Shippuden, the fillers, movies, OVAs, openings and endings have by far favored NaruSaku over any other pairing.  Even if HInata's feelings do get brought up or built upon, we never see them hint that Naruto feels anything romantic back towards HInata, unlike Sakura, where they give us moments where Sakura is blushing over Naruto, or writing him those notes during his wind chakra training, or recalling Yamato's words about the strength of her feelings for Naruto for example.  Not to mention that high school special, where they couldn't have implied any clearer that Sakura has romantic feelings for Naruto ("Are you falling for him?" *insert typical tsundere denial with blushing* and then having her jealous over Naruto's date with Hinata, and Ino pointing out that jealousy).

 

Only a few people know what Obito was like before, and that was Kakashi and Minato.  Gai, Inochi and Shikaku knew him as well, but not on a personal level.  As far as Naruto was concerned, Obito is just one acquaintance of Kakashi, who took the wrong path.  Everything Kakashi stated about Naruto being similar to Obito is stated in his thoughts only.  Naruto even bluntly said to Kakashi to save the explanations for later, because now is not the time.  If there is an ObiRin parallel to NaruSaku, it will most likely happen without Naruto or Sakura's knowledge.  I mean they don't even know about Rin yet, nor does Sakura know that Obito was Kakashi's teammate.  Both the hero and heroine don't know about the villain's past love life.  So, how will it be incorporated?

If Naruto or Sakura aren't told about it, then I could see Obito watching some sort of interaction between Naruto and Sakura, or hear something Naruto says about his feelings for Sakura, or something that Sakura says about Naruto, and seeing the similarities there while watching them.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

What do you think? I think it will be stopped or might come up with a time limit excuse alas DBZ Namek destruction.

 

I think it will be stopped.  Still too many unknown factors apply, like Kakashi, Gokage and Madara himself.  The matter isn't time, but stopping Obito, because Madara said someone has to make the flower bloom.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think the anime goes off of their own interpretations of the manga (and perhaps whatever interaction they may have with Kishimoto).  I mean, since the start of Shippuden, the fillers, movies, OVAs, openings and endings have by far favored NaruSaku over any other pairing.  Even if HInata's feelings do get brought up or built upon, we never see them hint that Naruto feels anything romantic back towards HInata, unlike Sakura, where they give us moments where Sakura is blushing over Naruto, or writing him those notes during his wind chakra training, or recalling Yamato's words about the strength of her feelings for Naruto for example.  Not to mention that high school special, where they couldn't have implied any clearer that Sakura has romantic feelings for Naruto ("Are you falling for him?" *insert typical tsundere denial with blushing* and then having her jealous over Naruto's date with Hinata, and Ino pointing out that jealousy).

Couldn't agree more. Even if they do know or not, I do believe it's obvious enough that it is NS to be the one, so why not push it. FT push it a lot, even when there's not one moment that makes it 100% obvious that you can't be seriously miss out. Take the OVAs for example. OVA 4 made so many NaLu moments and this is from anime because OVA 4 is based on one chapter yet that chapter was only one chapter long and not that other pairing moments happen yet anime created so many. So now look at Naruto. They're very guilty in Immortal Arc because much like OVA 4 for FT, there wasn't any real NS moments but they went their way to do so.

 

So isn't it risky to advertise it so heavy like that? Maybe, but if it's obvious, why not. If and only if they know, why not. Should we be considered lucky? Of course, more power for AMV, tumblr posts, etc. Is it canon? Not really, but maybe we won't fault them when we learn that NS does in fact happens. Have I ever see them getting it wrong? Not yet. The closest you can get is pairing never came through as in nothing is confirmed. Slam Dunk is guilty of this as the openings and endings favor one pairing but as we all know, the ending of it didn't have anything. Still, it goes to show you what could have been have the author end it everything. Bleach could soon to be the victim, but who knows. Naruto, yeah I am going to say it's not going to fall in the same as others. That's how much I feel that pairing must happen. Kishi has gotten way too deep.

 

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that the pairing is obvious and the only way it can truly stop it is not happening at all for anyone. That's the only enemy. Still, I do believe we will get a real ending. Lastly, if it ends with a pairing confirmation, there's a good chance that they may extend it. It happened in Bakuman, so it's a good chance to see more than what we could get in manga.

 

 

I think it will be stopped.  Still too many unknown factors apply, like Kakashi, Gokage and Madara himself.  The matter isn't time, but stopping Obito, because Madara said someone has to make the flower bloom.

I guess. I am just saying remember how Frieza made it seem like the planet will explode now, but then later, you find out it's in process and you have a countdown to stop it or else it's all over. It can happen if someone is smart enough to cause delay, which could be from Hashirama (wood), Orochimaru, and maybe even Gokage.

[milan kyuubi]

Can anyone tell me. Did Hinata use "suki" or "daisuki" in her confesion? And what's the difrences between this two?

 

 

"Kishimoto-san's wedding was fantastic. The priests's broken Japanese during the ceremony was a thing of beauty. I see your wife looks just like Sakura.

[Priests and ministers who 'officiate' symbolic Christian-style weddings in Japan (the actual ceremony is for show since in Japan no legal changes are made due to the ceremony itself) are infamous for carrying out the service in broken Japanese. Whether or not it's all for show to make the ceremony seem more foreign is uncertain.]"

http://www.thegrandline.com/odatoc.htm .

See no.47,10/20/2003, chapter 296

this website is like a collection of oda's thoughts, kinda like oda blog. i think its a fan made site thou. 

 

Not rumor, confirmed. He did say that. I believe there is a link to it but no mistake, it's true.

 

Thanks! :) Do you think this somehow influenced Kishi's view on NS. or it's just means nothing?

[TouKen4Life3g]

I believe he just have NS in mind since the beginning. Nothing has changed in terms of where he's ending with, just maybe the road to it.

[megi]

Can anyone tell me. Did Hinata use "suki" or "daisuki" in her confesion? And what's the difrences between this two? 
Thanks! :) Do you think this somehow influenced Kishi's view on NS. or it's just means nothing?

大好き(daisuki) is used in Hinata's confession. In both of Sakura's confession, she uses 好き(suki). In literal terms, daisuki means "like/love a lot" while suki means "like/love". Using 大好き refers to a stronger emotion than 好き because it literally means "big suki". Contextually, it can be a different story, more complicated than the words themselves. Hinata most likely used 大好き because she didn't believe she would survive after her confession. 大好き can be used as "in the moment" like Hinata's confession.

[milan kyuubi]

大好き(daisuki) is used in Hinata's confession. In both of Sakura's confession, she uses 好き(suki). In literal terms, daisuki means "like/love a lot" while suki means "like/love". Using 大好き refers to a stronger emotion than 好き because it literally means "big suki". Contextually, it can be a different story, more complicated than the words themselves. Hinata most likely used 大好き because she didn't believe she would survive after her confession. 大好き can be used as "in the moment" like Hinata's confession.

 

Thanks for the info. I just wanted to clarify it. Since I saw some use that as evidence that Hinata truly loves Naruto because she used "daisuki". While downplaying Naruto's feelings to a simple crush, because he used "suki" towards Sakura.

Edited by milan kyuubi, 12 September 2013 - 05:25 AM.

[morgaine4]

^She doesn't have to actually die - it would be enough for Naruto to think that she's dead.  Or who knows, maybe Naruto can simply say that having a similar love, he can imagine the pain Obito must have felt upon failing to protect her, seeing her die at the hands of their third teammate whom Rin loved (after all, he did nearly loose Sakura to Sasuke at the summit).

 

Either way, I highly doubt that Sakura is actually going to die in this manga.  If she does, I would bet anything that she would be revived.  She's a main character and part of the new generation.

 

I agree with the bolded, and would add that I think Sakura's the safest of Team 7.  Kakashi might die because he's the sensei (previous generation), and I doubt it'll happen but I think it's far more likely for Naruto and Sasuke to die while clashing fists than for Sakura to suffer a permanant death.

 

 

 

Ah beleza, aqui concordo contigo. As suas ações nesta guerra são egoístas ao extremo, e isso é bem evidente, mas o amor que ele sente pela Rin concerteza é sincero.

 

I wouldn't say Obito's love for Rin is selfish. She is everything he's ever cared about, the moment she died he lost everything and that's why he was so easily manipulated by Madara. Yes, he is trying to slave mankind inside a fantasy world, I agree he is very sick and needs help, but he truly believes he is actually saving mankind by doing so, he believes Rin will be back for him in this world and everyone will be happy in the end.

 

Furthermore, I know Rin will be the key to redeem Obito before he dies. Somehow she will be brought out, either as a Edo-Tensei or by some kind of memories, whatever the way may be he will be redeemed, probably just before his death, and the main reason will definitely be something related to Naruto's action and how he could have done things differently, taking into consideration what she would have wanted if she were still alive.

 

Well, one can be mentally ill and still be selfish.  I characterize his current "love" for Rin as selfish because he hasn't considered Rin's feelings at all.  How would the Rin he knew, the Rin who was alive, who didn't want him to hide his wounds, who (seemed to be) sweet and compassionate feel about Obito's actions.  Has Obito ever considered that?

 

I feel that that's ultimately the difference between Naruto and Obito's respective romances.  Naruto has often showcased that he considers Sakura's feelings, and even puts those feelings first (in the hospital when Sakura hugged Sasuke, the promise of a lifetime, when he told her not to lie to herself about her feelings for Sasuke).  We haven't seen Obito consider how Rin would feel yet, he's focused on his dispair, his need to be happy again, it's sad, it's a shame that he wasn't given intensive therapy after his accident let alone after witnessing Rin's self-sacrifice.  Now I'm honestly not hating on the character, I actually think this is somewhat interesting, but I do think it would make sense for Obito's redemption to be based on his realization/recollection of who Rin was though I wouldn't be surprised if that doesn't happen either.

 

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615 was the begining of the end of Hinata (and NH's) development.  By having Hinata explain to Naruto why people follow him, why she's inspired by him, and having Naruto finally acknowledge Hinata's strength she can move on.  That doesn't mean there won't be any other Hinata/NH moments, but just that she got the acknowledgment.  Now, hopefully she'll be able to stand on her own two feet.  631 killed NH, to be honest.  After everything Hinata thought, after Hinata's confession, after her ability to get Naruto to stop wallowing, Naruto's feelings still haven't changed.  That there shows how loyal to Sakura he is, that he's willing to announce to the entire world, in front of Hinata, to his father that Sakura's essentially the person he sees as his girlfriend.  Now the only think in the way of NS confirmation, are Sakura's feelings for Sasuke.  Yes these feelings hurt her, but the fact remains that she's not over him yet.  She needs to get over him, she needs to realize she over him.  Once SS is killed, well...then it's about Sakura realizing her feelings for Naruto.  Anything can happen, a supervolcano can explode in the middle of the battle, all the teens might decide to remain single because...well they are quite young, but the chances of NS not getting together is quite slim.  This story is about Naruto attaining his dream despite near impossible chances, the only chance there ever was for NS to not happen would have been for Naruto's feelings to change (he is the titular character).  His feelings have not changed, Sakura will (most probably) fall for him as intensly as Naruto seems to have fallen for her.

 

That makes me wonder though, why did Naruto fall for Sakura?  Was it because Sakura actually paid enough attention to him to actually punch him, while all the other ignored him/hid from him?  Naruto's greatest pain was loneliness, the fact that Sakura acknowledged his existence would have been extremely important to him.  What do you guys think?  What was it about Sakura that caught Naruto's eye before we met these guys, before Naruto tranformed into Sakura and tricked her?

[DattebayoXShannaro]

That makes me wonder though, why did Naruto fall for Sakura?  Was it because Sakura actually paid enough attention to him to actually punch him, while all the other ignored him/hid from him?  Naruto's greatest pain was loneliness, the fact that Sakura acknowledged his existence would have been extremely important to him.  What do you guys think?  What was it about Sakura that caught Naruto's eye before we met these guys, before Naruto tranformed into Sakura and tricked her?

 

That's one of the things I'm most interested about.  I believe it's been confirmed that Naruto fell in love with her before the series started.  I'm hoping it becomes a plot point somehow to know what interaction they had before to illicit such devotion from Naruto.  Hopefully, Sakura will know and further her character.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Honestly, this would be the best time to understand why Naruto loves Sakura and how it all began. You can create a pause moment where a small flashback appears for Naruto and this is the right time. If Obito vs. Naruto demands a love talk and/or parallel, a flashback seems to be required. Will it happen? I don't really know but we can really hope because we can beg for answer.

[morgaine4]

 

That's one of the things I'm most interested about.  I believe it's been confirmed that Naruto fell in love with her before the series started.  I'm hoping it becomes a plot point somehow to know what interaction they had before to illicit such devotion from Naruto.  Hopefully, Sakura will know and further her character.

 

Yup, when he introduced Sakura in Chapter 3 he introduced her as a girl he really likes (or something to that extent).  Which indicates that it was already an ongoing thing.

 

 

Honestly, this would be the best time to understand why Naruto loves Sakura and how it all began. You can create a pause moment where a small flashback appears for Naruto and this is the right time. If Obito vs. Naruto demands a love talk and/or parallel, a flashback seems to be required. Will it happen? I don't really know but we can really hope because we can beg for answer.

 

Good point.  The thing is, we did learn why Naruto loves Sakura, he figured it out when he was transformed into Sasuke and he realized that like him Sakura wants to be acknowledged.  I'm a bit more curious as to how it began, how Sakura caught his eye, I don't know if that'll be addressed canonically, but it's still interesting to brainstorm

[Hanabi]

Thanks! :) Do you think this somehow influenced Kishi's view on NS. or it's just means nothing?

Well I am a bias narusaku shipper... so i think it does xD

Besides, Kishi based naruto on himself. the loving ramen part, and the attitude to be acknowledged. i read somewhere that kishi wanted his editor to acknowledge him so he further use that attitude in naruto himself.