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[Nee-sama]

What I'm trying to say is he fell right into their scheme trap, Him getting involved will only increase their ego and publicity just like Glenn getting into with James Cameron a little while back.

Why do you think Beck's little red phone has never rung?
I swear the more interviews I see with President Obama the more I start to respect him. Unlike Bush, he thinks about his responses instead of making stupid jokes or avoiding the issue. The only people I see acting childish are the stubborn people who refuse to have a positive thought about Obama and continue to badmouth him no matter what he does.
The only part about this interview that I didn't like was the fact that he said people can't come up with an answer to what this "socialist" stuff is based on. If that means he's turning a blind eye to the tea party and this "vitriol" then maybe it's a good thing. His time is better spent on other things.

[Dreamer]

You make such falsified accusation remarks of the people hating Obama are stubborn but yet it's okay for him to shove health care bill down peoples throats, that's all i have to say and yes i do dislike some of Obama's policies and opinions but i don't hate the man.

Obama should of established a nation wide voting process in each state were people can vote and see the highlights of the health care and also send brochures in the mail so the american people can know exactly what their getting especially anying revolving around increase taxes in the middle class if it does happen.

Edited by Uzumakikage, 03 April 2010 - 03:00 AM.

[Nee-sama]

Don't take it personally, I didn't use any word like "majority" or single out any group. The fact is that a lot of people I see commenting on Yahoo News and people that I know are very stubbornly sticking to their believes that Obama is trying to run the country and take over the government with a socialist agenda. Even when it comes to a subject like oil drilling that they approve of, they wont approve of Obama because "he's just using it to pass Cap and Trade." I mean no disrespect to anyone on this site, honest.

[Sakura Blossoms]

I mean think about just like you said he's the president, he has more important issues that need to be dealt with. He should just turn off his blackberry and start focusing on getting stuff done to help stabilize the economy from falling on it's knees.

The high horse is asking you to please step down.

Obama is *human*. As I said before he *has* been letting a lot of this crap slide. But as I said he's a human being, not some god. If *you* were badmouthed every day, practically every hour, all year long, even *you* I'm sure would eventually at least want to answer back. Obama wasn't being rude, he was simply responding back to all the hateful vitriol that's been spewed at him day and night. If a President can't show that he can stand up to all the hate being pointlessly flung at him in his own country, how can he go to *another* country and expect anyone to listen and respect him.

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Also Sarah Palin's new show premiered:

http://www.chicagotr...0,3503767.story

[Nate River]

The high horse is asking you to please step down.

Obama is *human*. As I said before he *has* been letting a lot of this crap slide. But as I said he's a human being, not some god. If *you* were badmouthed every day, practically every hour, all year long, even *you* I'm sure would eventually at least want to answer back. Obama wasn't being rude, he was simply responding back to all the hateful vitriol that's been spewed at him day and night. If a President can't show that he can stand up to all the hate being pointlessly flung at him in his own country, how can he go to *another* country and expect anyone to listen and respect him.

Yes, he's human, but he's also the President and is expected to uphold the dignity of the office. I'm actually considered a public official myself (though on the local level). There are some things I cannot say and cannot do because of that, while no one would think twice is someone else did it. Obama's position is that times several thousand. It's not fair that they can say and do stuff he can't, but that's part of being the President.

Whether you think this demeans the office or not is another matter entirely. It doesn't matter me and I'm not commenting on the matter. I simply don't think Uzumakikage is so off base and that saying he's human ends the matter.

Bush allegedly (and I use this word because I've heard this from third parties as opposed to himself) considered beneath the dignity of the office to get into pissing matches with his critics. Many of his supporters have excoriated him for taking that approach and believe he did himself an extreme disservice by not responding to his critics.

Don't take it personally, I didn't use any word like "majority" or single out any group. The fact is that a lot of people I see commenting on Yahoo News and people that I know are very stubbornly sticking to their believes that Obama is trying to run the country and take over the government with a socialist agenda. Even when it comes to a subject like oil drilling that they approve of, they wont approve of Obama because "he's just using it to pass Cap and Trade." I mean no disrespect to anyone on this site, honest

Then why virtually quote an argument I made two pages ago as the example of how people don't have a positive thought about him? It's not just something that I pulled out of my ass in search of dig at him. Re-read the AP story. it's not like he was hiding the fact that he hoped his change would help gain support for that bill.

I haven't read the comments so I cannot on them specifically, but that they disagree with you doesn't somehow make their concerns illegitimate and I gather they'd say you're just as stubborn for refusing to him as they do.

Bottom line is, I don't like much of what he's done and am not going to think a positive thought for the sake of doing so. Couldn't I just as easily say the same for a significant number of posters in regards to Bush?

http://www.chicagotr...0,3503767.story

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[Insurrection]

Uh, I don't really think pissing on your critics is a new fad for the Presidency.

Edited by Insurrection, 03 April 2010 - 03:57 AM.

[Strangelove]

The high horse is asking you to please step down.

Obama is *human*. As I said before he *has* been letting a lot of this crap slide. But as I said he's a human being, not some god. If *you* were badmouthed every day, practically every hour, all year long, even *you* I'm sure would eventually at least want to answer back. Obama wasn't being rude, he was simply responding back to all the hateful vitriol that's been spewed at him day and night. If a President can't show that he can stand up to all the hate being pointlessly flung at him in his own country, how can he go to *another* country and expect anyone to listen and respect him.

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Also Sarah Palin's new show premiered:

http://www.chicagotr...0,3503767.story

He should have thought of that when he took the job, almost every president has criticism, their like celebrities...they get into office by a popularity contest, and then every single bill they try to pass depends on their wit to handle congress. The insults and the pundits...it came with the job...

[Nate River]

Uh, personally, I don't really think pissing on your critics is a new fad for the Presidency, like more than 35 years.

Are you being literal? It kind of sounds like it.

And no its not, different Presidents see it differently.

[Insurrection]

Then it seems kind of pointless to argue "that the President should respect the dignity of the office" because he responded to his critics. I don't mean you though, just the basis for the arguement.

Edited by Insurrection, 03 April 2010 - 04:21 AM.

[Nate River]

Then it seems kind of pointless to argue "that the President should respect the dignity of the office" because he responded to his critics. I don't mean you though, just the basis for the arguement.

I simply disagree saying he's human justifies his critique. He does have to respect the office. The question is does he fail to do so by responding to Beck and Limbaugh.

I never said he wasn't. I'm not commenting on that either way because I don't care in this particular instance. I don't like his policies, end of story. Something like this is a drop in the bucket compared to that.

That different presidents see it differently doesn't mean their all right in how they see it,

[Nee-sama]

Then why virtually quote an argument I made two pages ago as the example of how people don't have a positive thought about him? It's not just something that I pulled out of my ass in search of dig at him. Re-read the AP story. it's not like he was hiding the fact that he hoped his change would help gain support for that bill.

I haven't read the comments so I cannot on them specifically, but that they disagree with you doesn't somehow make their concerns illegitimate and I gather they'd say you're just as stubborn for refusing to him as they do.

Bottom line is, I don't like much of what he's done and am not going to think a positive thought for the sake of doing so. Couldn't I just as easily say the same for a significant number of posters in regards to Bush?

I'm not quoting you specifically, in fact I was thinking more of a conversation I had with my Dad.
I know he wasn't hiding the fact, I think I even agreed about that in a previous post. You don't agree with a lot of his policies and that's fine, it's your right to feel that way. It's not like you think the man is evil or trying to take over the world which is what I keep seeing people write on other websites.

[Dreamer]

Don't take it personally, I didn't use any word like "majority" or single out any group. The fact is that a lot of people I see commenting on Yahoo News and people that I know are very stubbornly sticking to their believes that Obama is trying to run the country and take over the government with a socialist agenda. Even when it comes to a subject like oil drilling that they approve of, they wont approve of Obama because "he's just using it to pass Cap and Trade." I mean no disrespect to anyone on this site, honest.

I never did take it personal, there's fascist on all kinds of news feed site's. I just disagree with people that hate or dislike him for only stubborn reasons.

The high horse is asking you to please step down.

Obama is *human*. As I said before he *has* been letting a lot of this crap slide. But as I said he's a human being, not some god. If *you* were badmouthed every day, practically every hour, all year long, even *you* I'm sure would eventually at least want to answer back. Obama wasn't being rude, he was simply responding back to all the hateful vitriol that's been spewed at him day and night. If a President can't show that he can stand up to all the hate being pointlessly flung at him in his own country, how can he go to *another* country and expect anyone to listen and respect him.

Which was kind of my point, if he can't calmly take the heat in the states than other leaders may eventually take advantages of this.

Edited by Uzumakikage, 03 April 2010 - 06:48 AM.

[socermania2]

Obama should of established a nation wide voting process in each state were people can vote and see the highlights of the health care and also send brochures in the mail so the american people can know exactly what their getting especially anying revolving around increase taxes in the middle class if it does happen.

You lack knowledge of what the President can and can not do.

And even if brochures are sent, they'll only highlight the good in the bill. You'll never what the rest.

Which is why it's up to you to read it and make a decision.

[Dreamer]

You lack knowledge of what the President can and can not do.

And even if brochures are sent, they'll only highlight the good in the bill. You'll never what the rest.

Which is why it's up to you to read it and make a decision.

Honestly though there's no other way of reading the bill since it's so long, I don't even think it could fit online. Usually several different independent party groups makes the brochure's like the christian's group makes up a brochure/template on the republican candidate and the same time others make the democrat's.

I'm well aware of what the president can and cannot do.

Edited by Uzumakikage, 03 April 2010 - 06:46 AM.

[socermania2]

I'm well aware of what the president can and cannot do.

Obama should of established a nation wide voting process in each state were people can vote and see the highlights of the health care and also send brochures in the mail so the american people can know exactly what their getting especially anying revolving around increase taxes in the middle class if it does happen.

That begs to differ

[Dreamer]

Now if you want to see real presidential hate then click Here and watch the video.

He even goes as far as to pass it off as a joke, even though he is really hurting himself by losing customers/patients because of his ignorance.

Edited by Uzumakikage, 03 April 2010 - 07:08 AM.

[RyrineaHaruno]

An arrest has been made over threats expressed against a Republican...not a Democrat:

http://news.yahoo.co...congress_threat

Just another wacko, people like tend to give us all a bad name for any party, I do hope that they get prison time

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 03 April 2010 - 07:13 AM.

[socermania2]

Now if you want to see real presidential hate then click Here and watch the video.

He even goes as far as to pass it off as a joke, even though he is really hurting himself by losing customers/patients because of his ignorance.

America

[Nate River]

Honestly though there's no other way of reading the bill since it's so long, I don't even think it could fit online. Usually several different independent party groups makes the brochure's like the christian's group makes up a brochure/template on the republican candidate and the same time others make the democrat's.

I'm well aware of what the president can and cannot do.

Problem is, such a thing is only as reliable as the source who prints it. Calling yourself independent and being so are two different things. I doubt you can find a source whom both parties would accept and also agree on the final product.

I'm not quoting you specifically, in fact I was thinking more of a conversation I had with my Dad.
I know he wasn't hiding the fact, I think I even agreed about that in a previous post. You don't agree
with a lot of his policies and that's fine, it's your right to feel that way. It's not like you think the man is evil or trying to take over the world which is what I keep seeing people write on other websites.

Again, it's hard for me to get worked about it when I spent 8 years putting up with the same crap.

That said, I think such a debate on whether he's "evil" or "socialist" is nothing but worthless semantics. His policies are what they are. Whether he's well intentioned or not doesn't matter to me. I don't think he's "evil," and I don't understand those who would waste precious time worrying about it.

[Nick Soapdish]

I'm glad he changed his mind on drilling, i mean you can't just stop drilling over night and expect peoplle to have the money to buy a hydrogen or electric powered car. Especially with the economy in the shape it's in, people need relief at the pump.

You can't start drilling overnight either. The oil industry has been saying that they can get fired up and have significant amounts of oil flowing in about a decade. Right now, they don't have the exploratory drilling ships even available.

It would be if it were a genuine change of heart on the issue, but it doesn't seem to be one.

It's not. He was advocating increased drilling while on the campaign trail.

If cap and trade passes, the additional drilling probably won't matter much. Additionally, more oil helps, but is only half the problem. It still needs to be refined in gasoline. We haven't built a new refinary in decades because of pressure from environmental groups.

I wish that I'd bookmarked all the pages that I read up for this last time.

The amount of oil is relatively insignificant. The amount of the Alaskan and Gulf oil reserves combined can add about 5% of the current US demand to the market. That's a little over 1% of the worldwide demand. It'll take nearly a decade to get most of it going and it won't be in full production mode until around 2030 at which point some of the oil will be running out. Once that oil starts coming, it'll save us about $.03 a gallon. (I heard this on NPR. I thought it'd be closer to $.10.) The price of crude oil is only about 69% of the current gas price. The next biggest chunk is state and federal taxes (13%). Then distribution and marketing (12%) and refining (7%). Profits falls under the distribution and marketing tab.

I have to drive a lot so it'll probably save me about $100/year if I still have this car in 2018. (I'm hoping a decent electric will be out by then.) But drilling for oil isn't the panacea that it's getting played up as - at least not here in Florida.

And as an important part of energy independence? Well, I have said before that every little bit counts. The options that I was thinking of aren't quite that little, but I have to admit the principle still holds. However, those other options aren't being pushed (yet) and are a lot safer. I don't want the beaches in Florida looking anything like the ones in Texas or Louisiana or even Alabama. I know that the oil industry insists that it's natural seepage and oil does seep, but it's a bit different when it seeps at the bottom of the sea a few gallons at a time or thousands of barrels at the surface. And it's funny how there seems to be a dearth of accounts of oil balls washing up on the shore until after the oil rigs showed up.

Coburn Blasts Fox News' Agenda

I don't think that I agree with him on anything politically. But I applaud him for taking a stand against the misinformation and urging the audience to check multiple sources - like CNN and Fox News or the NYT, WSJ and Washington Post. (I think his personal choice was better. With the former, you just get lousy news from two sources.)