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[ns.Believe.It]

I am disappointed at the Kishimoto bashing beind done here. I made fun of the fact that NH fans were doing that after 631. But now some here are doing the same. I even read a post calling him a sell-out! I just do not get it.

 

People need to remember,

Its Kishimoto that gave us the characters that we have grown to be attached to. 

Its Kishimoto that has written HIS story in the way which makes us all believe NS will happen.

 

If as readers we have grown this attached to Sakura that we cannot stand her looking bad, is it not reasonable to think

that the person who made her character cares MUCH more  than any of us? 

 

And Kishimoto doesn't care about values and morals? Please! Have people forgotten RtN and how Kishimoto stresses the

values and importance of bonds of family and friendship in that movie? For an animated movie, it sure had a very strong message!

[Nostradamus]

Good question. What does anyone expect of any character for that matter? Everyone has expected alot from these characters and everyone has been disappointed at least once. Whether it be Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, Kakashi, or any of the characters for that matter have all been expecting something from them and have disappointed those expectations for the sake of plot mechanics

To answer the question. A lot, actually. Ever see a character gain negative development? Yeah. That's Hinata.She is actually worse now than she was in part 1. Now she is just Naruto's tumor sucking the life out of him and she has gotten dumber to boot.

So maybe we all are disappointed one way or another. I just care for this story a lot more beyond the main characters.

Ok fine. It's not really about having high expectations from these characters. It's about having characters do things that make sense. That don't forget what they did a while back. This is where Kishi fails with Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura and Kakashi.

 

Naruto fighting against Nagato again and he forgets the Rinnegan's abilities. Bad.

Sakura shows how mature she is about Sasuke, realizing what must be done. And when the times comes she stops. Why? Again bad.

Sasuke deciding to destroy Konoha and everyone in it after he kills Naruto, then for no reason he decides to protect Kohona all because he heard a bedtime story from a zombie. Catastrophically bad.

I could continue, but I would rather not.

 

Now about the princess. I got to the point in which I don't care about her at all. I can guarantee you after the IT is over she will wake up and say the following "What happened? Naruto-Kun". And everyone is going to go insane over that moment and declare NH canon.

 

It's very clear that even the writer himself doesn't care about her.

Hinata is just Kishi's tool. A tool used to play with the pairings from time to time.

Edited by Nostradamus, 24 July 2014 - 11:49 AM.

[六道仙人]

Masashi Kishimoto has always been inconsistent in his own consistency.

[Nefertieh]

It's obvious Sakura will trust Sasuke in the future.
Kishimoto will repair team7

Ofcourse, that's as obvious as day. Just as obvious as Sakura's changing feelings, which Yamato/ Kakashi/ Sai have taken time to observe.

But is a "repaired" Sasuke going to be all that it takes for Sakura to heal their non-existent relationship? After 500+ chapters of Naruto being the Sakura's main support? After the last 20 chapters, where Sakura has been nearly dropped into a pit of lava because Sasuke couldn't be bothered with saving her?

I can't be the only one who has noticed all of this.

 
I think they meant that he's only putting these things in for drama sake. For example, when writers use the misunderstanding trope-Where one person overhears something out of context and a fight happens. Things are resolved in the end, so the fighting over misunderstandings had no purpose other than to add conflict to a story.

Except this isn't Pride and Prejudice. There is absolutely nothing Sakura is "misunderstanding" about Sasuke, she has only opened her eyes more and more to the truth.

Sasuke is not a romantic hero on disguise.

Edited by Nefertieh, 24 July 2014 - 12:17 PM.

[only Naruto]

 

Kakashi is using words that express a vague idea. He's not even sure himself. He's just trying to analyse the situation. Read again. Kakashi is not talking about how she wants to save him from darkness. That was Sai.

Again, you're wrong. It's not bluntly said Sakura doesn't love Sasuke anymore. If that was the case, then some of us wouldn't freak out right now.

Kishimoto is using Kakashi to make doubt grow in fans: "Is Sakura still loving Sasuke? Could it be...."  see ?

 

 

Yeah I think so too. In Japan they are used to this kind of art. Manga is a part of their life and it's infused with their culture. They surely understand everything more wiser than us.

For now, everything is kept vague by Kishimoto who doesn't want to reveal the big surprise before the end. That's how I feel it.

imo . kakashi stated what he thinks  he didnt question it.kakashi said that sakuras feelings changed from whatever it was since 3 years ago. now we have  him stated that its changed . but did it change to a higher level . or it changed to caring for an friend /teammate. as long as he mentioned a negative thing in his words. specially if it was a killing attempt. . we should know for sure . her feelings changed from love(crush) to care for him as friend the same as naruto. 

 

now we both agree on that this is just what kakashi think . sakura didnt say it her self . but that is what we have since 675 until now and sakura didnt say/do anything to disapprove this. (actually kishi just showed us yesterday what agree with what kakshi said.in 675. there was no ss moment and no sakura fan girl mode nor nothing. and if it was off panel . until it revealed .and shows sakura still likes sasuke . then we will say she still likes him) but for me until now .we have to take what kakashi said. that her feelings for him is not romantic..                                

and some of us freak out . (and we shouldnt) because we still didnt get sakura saying she is over sasuke. kishi is delaying that . but that doesnt mean its not true. i mean he uses the hidden things mostly with NS. . . and lets say he was just making us question . that if she still likes him or not . depending on what happened through the whole manga . isnt it logical to say that she is over him ?

[六道仙人]

I also noticed that whenever Naruto is in danger Sasuke make always a worried face. When it's the turn of Kakashi and Sakura, he makes....nothing. The difference about feelings here is sharp... I would like an explanation from Kishi how he could make SS canon and develop some romantic feelings for Sakura at the end. LOL

[TouKen4Life3g]

I also noticed that whenever Naruto is in danger Sasuke make always a worried face. When it's the turn of Kakashi and Sakura, he makes....nothing. The difference about feelings here is sharp... I would like an explanation from Kishi how he could make SS canon and develop some romantic feelings for Sakura at the end. LOL

Naruto getting killed: THE WORLD ENDED!
Others getting killed: Oh well, less trouble for me since Naruto has lost one to care.

[SuperSilverStar]

I just think I need to post this for anybody here who were upset at this chapter's color cover and last chapter's final page. As you all know Kishi has a habit of trolling the pairings and the fans and I think he does enjoy doing it. Of course, I don't think he does it out of malice but that he's just a genuine prankster(just like Naruto lol). I'm going to repost this quote from someone who wrote this in 2012 who perfectly summed up the endgame for Kishi when it comes to NS becoming the end pairing. I know some of you guys don't need to hear this as you guys already understand what's going on with Kishi's tactics but I want to repost for the people who need a reminder of what he's trying to do.

Narrative Feint

I'm not sure if I said this before, but I'll say it anyway, Kishi is trying to fool the readers. He's doing what I like to call a narrative feint. I've seen it before in other manga. The writer spends the majority of the story hinting at one main pairing. But at one point, usually during the second half of the story, the writer begins to add evidence that they're instead going to pair the main character with another love interest instead. Sometimes even going as far as actually having them get involved romantically, which Kishi is not likely to do since that bit usually only happens in the romance genre, where the pairings are the main focus. In the end the author always hooks up the pairing which they had been most strongly foreshadowing throughout the entirety of the story. Almost always the main guy and main girl. In this case Naruto and Sakura.

Narrative feints are not restricted to romance. Kishi already did it with Tobi. He gradually hinted at Tobi being Obito. Suddenly he made everyone think that Tobi was really Madara, or someone other then Obito. And through it all he kept adding hints that pointed towards Tobi=Obito. And in the end that's exactly what happened. He's doing the same thing with his main pairing.

Usually, I find these feints to be very unsubtle ways of trying to add a twist to a story. That or the author just likes the troll their fans. Either way, people keep falling for them.NaruSaku is inevitable. It is the most heavily and obviously hinted outcome in the manga. More so then anything else. Practically written in stone. It is simply too late for Kishi to pair Naruto with anyone else, without making it look like sloppy writing. And Kishi is is consistent with the outcomes of his foreshadowing. Don’t fall for the feint.

Also props to whoever wrote this. I've seen this written piece on facebook and the NaruSaku Debate Thread on this site before. So I apologize for not knowing who wrote this great analysis.

[六道仙人]

it's like I'm having a dejavu with ichigo100%

[luffyq1]

it should be soon kishi loves the dragons he thought the script was really good to also hiccstrid is like narusaku

NS doesn't have the level of closeness that hiccstrid has. 

[FireFox]

NS doesn't have the level of closeness that hiccstrid has. 

Sad but true but Hey its getting there  But slowly bc Kishimoto is like a turtle when it comes to resolution 

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 24 July 2014 - 01:28 PM.

[Gravenimage]

Thank you finally someone understands! The reason Kishimoto pulling the narrative feint is not on purpose but he's simply doing it because he wants to surprise us in the end. Even with Mina/Kushi parallel or showing how Sakura feels for Naruto and for Sasuke, he still want us to be surprise. There has to be at least one more NS moment which it will be bigger than anything else(maybe it will be Naruto confessing to Sakura), but it will happen after the war. Kishi really wants to think that Sakura might still like Sasuke and when we least expected, it will happen. Then everyone's reaction will be" WTF I thought she was going to be with Sasuke but she chose Naruto". And the Japanese fan will say" Yep already saw that coming for years" but he will still be surprise.

[luffyq1]

I just think I need to post this for anybody here who were upset at this chapter's color cover and last chapter's final page. As you all know Kishi has a habit of trolling the pairings and the fans and I think he does enjoy doing it. Of course, I don't think he does it out of malice but that he's just a genuine prankster(just like Naruto lol). I'm going to repost this quote from someone who wrote this in 2012 who perfectly summed up the endgame for Kishi when it comes to NS becoming the end pairing. I know some of you guys don't need to hear this as you guys already understand what's going on with Kishi's tactics but I want to repost for the people who need a reminder of what he's trying to do.

Narrative Feint

I'm not sure if I said this before, but I'll say it anyway, Kishi is trying to fool the readers. He's doing what I like to call a narrative feint. I've seen it before in other manga. The writer spends the majority of the story hinting at one main pairing. But at one point, usually during the second half of the story, the writer begins to add evidence that they're instead going to pair the main character with another love interest instead. Sometimes even going as far as actually having them get involved romantically, which Kishi is not likely to do since that bit usually only happens in the romance genre, where the pairings are the main focus. In the end the author always hooks up the pairing which they had been most strongly foreshadowing throughout the entirety of the story. Almost always the main guy and main girl. In this case Naruto and Sakura.

Narrative feints are not restricted to romance. Kishi already did it with Tobi. He gradually hinted at Tobi being Obito. Suddenly he made everyone think that Tobi was really Madara, or someone other then Obito. And through it all he kept adding hints that pointed towards Tobi=Obito. And in the end that's exactly what happened. He's doing the same thing with his main pairing.

Usually, I find these feints to be very unsubtle ways of trying to add a twist to a story. That or the author just likes the troll their fans. Either way, people keep falling for them.NaruSaku is inevitable. It is the most heavily and obviously hinted outcome in the manga. More so then anything else. Practically written in stone. It is simply too late for Kishi to pair Naruto with anyone else, without making it look like sloppy writing. And Kishi is is consistent with the outcomes of his foreshadowing. Don’t fall for the feint.

Also props to whoever wrote this. I've seen this written piece on facebook and the NaruSaku Debate Thread on this site before. So I apologize for not knowing who wrote this great analysis.

EmperorZero originally made that comment on NF in the wake of 615. It was a good read back then because a lot of NS fans were depressed as hell. LOL good times

Edited by luffyq1, 24 July 2014 - 01:33 PM.

[rocci]

it's like I'm having a dejavu with ichigo100%

I read it, in term of romance story I see it as more superior than love hina.
I don't see any dejavu because ichigo 100% has true love triangle while naruto is oneside.

What do you mean with kishi is Inconsistent in his consistency?

Edited by rocci, 24 July 2014 - 01:41 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

EmperorZero originally made that comment on NF in the wake of 615. It was a good read back then because a lot of NS fans were depressed as hell. LOL good times

lol funny how you said good times.

[luffyq1]

lol funny how you said good times.

The great depression is something we all can look back and laugh at. It made us stronger and not look at NH as a threat anymore.

[rocci]

The great depression is something we all can look back and laugh at. It made us stronger and not look at NH as a threat anymore.

I never consider nh as a threat from the beginning.
Maybe because I'm reading too much shonen manga :/

[TouKen4Life3g]

The great depression is something we all can look back and laugh at. It made us stronger and not look at NH as a threat anymore.

Good god, it was the worst. Not many here recovered and I do mean not many. I mean again, we have no backup at the time as well, so it's like a big illusion if we just lost this. The thing is make Naruto change path, and you are pretty much done. So yeah, it was something. Not to mention, we had so many attackers that mods have to work overtime to clear out the mess that they left.

[Princess Iris]

Sad but true but Hey its getting there  But slowly bc Kishimoto is like a turtle when it comes to resolution 

But the fact...seriez is going to end ....so still he'll act like turtle this is crazy..

[Gravenimage]

I will like to add that "narrative feint" was also used in Avatar. Remember when Aang kissed Katara the 2nd time during the fire nation play??? She didn't accepted him because of their current situation in the war. The fans thought she has fallen for Zuko because she has come to accept him especially when he helped her find the man who killed her mother. Then in the final episode during Zuko's fight with Azula it looked like she developed feelings for him. But that's not how it ended, she chose Aang.