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[TouKen4Life3g]

I think VIZ tapped out on SS. Must be chapter 680 that killed it. Eh, can't blame them.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I think VIZ tapped out on SS. Must be chapter 680 that killed it. Eh, can't blame them.

It was Brian?
I dont know but the guy who tweeted about Hinata/Naruto kids must be surely mad.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It was Brian?
I dont know but the guy who tweeted about Hinata/Naruto kids must be surely mad.

Probably went Hulk mode for all I know.

[Nostradamus]

I think VIZ tapped out on SS. Must be chapter 680 that killed it. Eh, can't blame them.

Don't worry NaruHina is still going strong.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Don't worry NaruHina is still going strong.

You are right. It's sleeping. Seriously.

[Turson]

@turson
Better wait for the raw or tankobon version.

Maybe, but I still have more trust for VIZ than MP or MS.

[Gojira]

Kind of funny how Kishi has to go out of his way to make Sasuke leave Sakura for dead at times and verbally abuse her in others to kill off SS completely Hiro didn't have to go through this crap to kill NatsuxLisanna (though he probably did for all I know I'm still catching up through the chapters)

 

 

Maybe, but I still have more trust for VIZ than MP or MS.

 

 

Actually believe it or not a majority of the time its 

MP>>MS>VIZ

 

in terms of reliability 

Edited by Pepsi, 30 June 2014 - 09:42 PM.

[rocci]

@darkrest
I always see that the war arc is the conclusion for the ninja world and it's character that's not team seven. Team seven will fully conclude in the next arc. I think kakashi story already conclude with obito. Thus why I don't think kakashi will participate actively for the next arc, unless he gain obito other eye or something like that.

Oh and sakura "I always feel useless" will conclude in this arc.

Btw outer Moka is her mother personality, and tsukune love them both, if not more to the inner one.

Edited by rocci, 30 June 2014 - 09:44 PM.

[luffyq1]

Kind of funny how Kishi has to go out of his way to make Sasuke leave Sakura for dead at times and verbally abuse her in others to kill off SS completely Hiro didn't have to go through this crap to kill NatsuxLisanna (though he probably did for all I know I'm still catching up through the chapters)

 

 

 

 

Actually believe it or not a majority of the time its 

MP>>MS>VIZ

 

in terms of reliability 

Her love grows stronger when apart.

[rocci]

@pepsi
Natsuxlysana only have potential.
And Japan volume release > raw, mp, ms, viz combine.

[Otaru]

That's his character despite the Hinata part being really OOC since what happened there already happened previously when Obito asked him how the people on which sacrificed their lives for him to move forward would feel if he was defeated.
Then suddenly on that moment he was on despair because Neji died.

I think it was not that OOC because Naruto is often deeply affected by what is happening to his friends. What was a little weird, was him being totally still. But I guess it also can be understandable. IMO it was to make Neji's death stronger. That moment was obviously to make Hinata grow.
 

I think the really problem is that Sakura was never meant to be super strong and caught up with Naruto and Sasuke, because that moment was implied that she would never had to be saved from by them he twisted it about catching up and being as an equal, later he makes her in damsel in distress situations several times, she was saved like 4~5 time on the interval between her powerup to the most recent chapter.
About her strenght, is not about insecure, is her being intelligent enough to realize.
Look at Kakashi he was intelligent enough to recognize his limitations since he doesnt have sharingan and knows that he should not be a hindrance to Naruto/Sasuke meanwhile Sakura rushed to Madara and had to once again be rescued by them just to be once again sad because Sasuke didnt asked if she was fine.
her own limitations it needed Sasuke to act as a jerk and insult her like that for her to understand it.

I don't know, IMO it's all on purpose. However, I can understand what is bothering you.
 

She could have kept worrying like that but she took it really deep to a point that this whole "useless" thing is still dragging on.
SHe took down Sasori with Chyio and other healing parts but just because she didnt had the cells of the first hokage to stop Naruto on his 4 tails form she blames herself of being useless the entire manga.
it doesnt sound reasonable to me.

IMO, she blames herself about many things, it's not only about that time when Naruto was Kyuubi4.
It's a lot more complex than that.
She has confidence issues since she's a little girl, then she blamed herself when she realized that Naruto wasn't how she believed he was, the PoaL, everything. It's because the story is made like that. Naruto is supposed to win her heart, so she's obviously deeply touched by what he's doing. Her beginnings in the story were about her by being a selfish girl, all the self blaming is needed for her to evolve, for her to be with Naruto. IMO. What is disappointing me, is that most of the readers don't understand that Sakura is already blaming herself enough, and that there is no need to bash her (I'm not saying YOU bash her I'm talking in general). I think Kishimoto must be disappointed about that too. I think he made her blame herself about Naruto because it was the best way to show her deep care for him, because in the beginning she was mean to Naruto.

About Sakura, she has no background, nor goals of her own, her objective is to support Naruto, orbiting around the whole team 7 thing on the emotional level based on her personal feelings.

Yeah, about that, I agree.
We even never saw her parents in the manga.
I guess Kishimoto never cared to show them because they were not ninja (if I remember well they are not ninjas).
Also, maybe he wants her to be virgin of any clan because she will be paired up with Naruto and with no clan it's more simple. Maybe. I'm a little frustrated too about that. I accepted her to be a normal girl, but I would have liked to see her parents sooner in the manga.
Well it's natural that her only goal was emotional because she was a normal girl, so no dark past. She's not like Naruto and Sasuke...

The biggest problem is that with all this combined she has only two things stated by Kishimoto:

- Catching up with Naruto and Sasuke :
Obvious she would never catch up with god-like teammates, but why keep dragging this on and maker her in damsel in distress situations?

- Invalid Statements :
With character we have this let me pick up Naruto as an example.
We have several characters telling that he surpassed Jiraiya.
We saw him doing a better sage mode, and perfectly mastering the rasengan, without a doubt i can say he surpssed Jiraiya.

Someome said Sakura surpassed Tsunade :
However doesnt show nothing of superior than Tsunade, and her forehead ninjutsu is a great hidrance to her on which is not a Senju, increasing the colletaral effect unless if Kishimoto discarded the collateral damage aswell since he's getting rid of logic.

Nobody in the manga said she already surpassed Tsunade.

[Gojira]

Hashirama said that her striking strength surpassed Tsunade's.

[Otaru]

Yes he's doing something similar to Naruto and a lot of other characters. But never so much. With Naruto for example there's always a balance. He give him a good then a bad moment, then two good moments then one bad moment, then one good moment then two bad moments, etc. He finds a way to balance it.

Yes Naruto is the hero. So it's logical I think.
But again I can understand what is bothering you.
 

With Sakura he give her one good moment then Kishi's Alzheimer's kicks in and he forgets what were Sakura's abilities, what she could do, how powerful was she, what she did before, who she was etc. and the following moments are really bad in comparacence. With Sakura there is no real balance, he gives her more bad moments than good ones. Most of the time he turns the good ones into bad ones within the same chapter.

Really, I think we should COUNT, or make a list to be sure, because I don't have the same impression as you at all...
 

Naruto fainted because he just couldn't face the truth. Sasuke was a loose cannon that needed to be put down. For everyone's sake. Sakura in that moment showed that she's a matured girl, a grown woman actually. And if Naruto is not man enough to do what is necessary, she will. Because that's how awesome she is.
 
Now it's no secret that I want Sasuke dead, I'm pretty sure everyone on this forum knows this. However I don't want Sakura to kill him. And let's be honest we already knew that Sakura wasn't going to kill Sasuke.
The problem with that moment is that considering that Sakura already made the decision that if Naruto wasn't going back to the village with her, she was going to Sasuke and kill him. When you take in consideration that she already thought about killing Sasuke. You would assume that she already came to terms with her feelings. And not stop at the last second to think about her feelings for the old Sasuke.

It's not the same when you're really facing the person, IMO. I think that's what it's all about.
 

I'm sorry to say this but Kishi made her look pathetic. After showing how determined she was, how she didn't cry when she learned that the rookies decided to kill Sasuke, and the entire time she was only thinking about Naruto. How can she protect Naruto from all of this. The growth that she displayed was amazing. Only to end it with "Oh crap I still have feelings for the old Sasuke! And I can't do through with it."
That moment could've been done so much better.

I don't agree at all. Not being able to kill an old friend is not pathetic to me. It's something beautiful and dramatic. I think that's what Kishimoto wanted to do. But well, I think there is no need to argue on that because you don't see it the same way at all.
 

And yes you are correct that moment was done in order to have a small Team 7 moment. However it was done at Sakura's price.

I don't think so. I don't see a little teamwork as it is a saving a damsel in distress.
 

Also it's not that I prefer fighting Sakura although I do want her to fight along side Naruto.
I just want Kishi to stop screwing her in order to give us team 7 nostalgia or in order to show us something else. For example how powerful Madara became after getting the second Rinnegan. Or anything else for that matter. Find Sakura's balance.
 
I hope, no actually I pray that now that Naruto's husband left the show, that Naruto's wife (Sakura; or to be more precise future wife ) will actually be involved in with fight, even if she's not going to play a major part in it. At least have her come up with a strategy or have her realize Kaguya's weakness.
And not play the role of a commentator/spectator.

We'll see what Kishimoto will do.
I would like her to fight alongside Naruto too, but I think she already progressed a lot in this arc, and it's possible she will not progress more.
 

Hashirama said that her striking strength surpassed Tsunade's.

He said "it might be even stronger than Tsunade"

Edited by Otaru, 30 June 2014 - 10:20 PM.

[Nostradamus]

I don't agree at all. Not being able to kill an old friend is not pathetic to me. It's something beautiful and dramatic. I think that's what Kishimoto wanted to do. But well, I think there is no need to argue on that because you don't see it the same way at all.

 

Agree to disagree to agree ok?

The problem is not the fact that she couldn't kill Sasuke. The problem is the way it ended. After all the determination she showed, Kishi reduced all that in order to have Naruto save the damsel in distress. Again I say this, not going to lie loved that moment when Naruto saved her. But it could've been done better.

Have Naruto save her while not discarding Sakura's resolve.

 

This is actually a problem with Kishi's writing style. He can't make a character shine without making another character look pathetic in order to do that. In order to show us how great a character is, he needs to take a kitten on another character. Bad writer.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

The problem is not the fact that she couldn't kill Sasuke. The problem is the way it ended. After all the determination she showed, Kishi reduced all that in order to have Naruto save the damsel in distress. Again I say this, not going to lie loved that moment when Naruto saved her. But it could've been done better.
Have Naruto save her while not discarding Sakura's resolve.

Agree, and even when is reinforced the aspect that she herself knew she would not be able to do that.
She was faultering since the begining and in all honestity she was questioning Sasuke's evil status by herself.
When she arrived to kill him, she didnt took the decision and in return Sasuke was going to kill her while she was still making the decision to strike him.

Her heroine moment there was totally on the emotional aspect of being "capable" of doing anything for Naruto even willing to drop Sasuke for him, but showed some negative aspects too, the fact she lied and the fact she sort of manipulated Naruto to achieve the goal of bringing him back home for his safety.

[sushi.]

Agree to disagree to agree ok?

The problem is not the fact that she couldn't kill Sasuke. The problem is the way it ended. After all the determination she showed, Kishi reduced all that in order to have Naruto save the damsel in distress. Again I say this, not going to lie loved that moment when Naruto saved her. But it could've been done better.

Have Naruto save her while not discarding Sakura's resolve.

 

This is actually a problem with Kishi's writing style. He can't make a character shine without making another character look pathetic in order to do that. In order to show us how great a character is, he needs to take a kitten on another character. Bad writer.

Yes..she showed such strong determination to release Naruto's burden, just to change her mind and think that all she can do is to "believe in them". She tried to do everything alone, now she wants to let Naruto do it alone..maybe she finds her middleground in the upcoming arc.

[Gojira]

@Otaru

Which is Kishi's way of giving us a hint that she's physically stronger than Tsunade, if not Kishi would have just made Hashi say that she reminds her of Tsunade or nothing at all and not cut to him to begin with.

 

My problem with the whole mission to kill Sasuke was that the sheer logic of it was confusing as hell

 

"she loves him so much that she wants to kill him and save him from darkness" 

 

Also at this point i'm not entirely sure if Sakura's love at this point was meant to be platonic love as Kakashi put it sicne this is the last time he sees Sakura and Sasuke up until the Madara encounter. Though I don't know anything about the raw so i don't know if the original translation to what Naruto and Sai were talking about means strictly love in a romantic way or love as in caring about someone close (the way Kakashi put it basically)

Edited by Pepsi, 30 June 2014 - 11:46 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

It's kind of funny to me that everyone thinks that Sakura is weak or say "she is not as strong as should be" when really Sakura is not the problem. The problem is Sasuke's character. It always has been and it always will be. Notice that when the story wasn't focused on the whole Sasuke business every character seemed strong willed? When Sasuke wasn't around, Team 7 wasn't a big chunk of mess that was a hung over of feelings and emotions. Even Naruto fell victim to it several times.

Everyone questions Kishimoto on why he doesn't give Sakura more, but my biggest question is why Kishimoto have so much focus for Sasuke? It's always Sasuke. It is basically the reason why both Naruto and Sakura come off as weak and stupid. The story hinders on Sasuke's story so much that it reduces everything he comes in contact with to nothing. It is even true for Hinata as well.

Chapter 615 was such a rubbish chapter that made Naruto look weak and pathetic because he was so willing to give up because Neji died. Some of you diagree with this fact, but then again I disagree on the whole Sakura thing, so we're even in this regards.

When Kishimoto is writing Naruto, he can make him get stronger and not make the other suffer for it. When it comes to Sasuke and Hinata, he literally has to sacrifice every other character just to raise their bars. Just to make them more important than they really are. Hinata at least is tolerable and the story doesn't always suffer save for her own, but Sasuke just ruins the entire premise for it. This is why I hate Sasuke alot more than ever and this is why I feel all the rage directed at Kishimoto for Sakura is wrongfully placed.

Sasuke even had his own weak and pathethic moments as well when he made the same mistakes that some of you point out against Sakura. Some of you mentioned how her plan sucked because all she did was run in there and yet that basically was Sasuke's last three plans. It was just basically "Speed blitz in and then hit them." Naruto harem no jutsu is alot more creative and was alot more effective then 3 of Sasuke's recent plans. Not only that, but when it came to fighting the invisible limbo clones that only Sasuke could see, he left them to Naruto who could only sense them. Yeah, great plan Sasuke. Great plan. Make Naruto do all the work while you tackle a few rocks and he couldn't even do that effectively unlike Naruto who took out several at a time.

I see people say a lot and give these reasons, but never once make notice that these kind of things only occured when Sasuke was on the scene and taking charge. I don't see many criticizing his actions, but are immediatly going after Sakura like it was no big deal. You have to be fair about this. If you are going to criticize one character for making a mistake, then you have to charge them all for it. Sasuke's plans were no better than Sakura's and in fact they were worse and failed even harder despite Naruto being in perfect sinc with him.

If we want to go into real detail, at least Sakura is accepting of facts instead of just being in denial like Naruto is with some of it. "Yeah, we are great friends" Yeah, I am not buying that, Naruto. How is Sasuke a great friend and how is noone else a great friend to you especially considering so many did alot more and sacrificed alot more for you?

Imagine if this manga had no Sasuke at all. Alot of the problems some of you complain about wouldn't even exist. So my beef is that Sasuke just ruins this manga with his presence and that Kishi is trying so hard to make Sasuke seem that important that it is just ruining the other things that make this manga great.

Kishi's bad writing is not in Sakura's character, but in Sasuke's character because as shown Sakura was very competent and capable of alot of things when Sasuke wasn't on the scene.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 01 July 2014 - 12:04 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

It's kind of funny to me that everyone thinks that Sakura is weak or say "she is not as strong as should be" when really Sakura is not the problem. The problem is Sasuke's character. It always has been and it always will be. Notice that when the story wasn't focused on the whole Sasuke business every character seemed strong willed? When Sasuke wasn't around, Team 7 wasn't a big chunk of mess that was a hung over of feelings and emotions. Even Naruto fell victim to it several times.

I pointed this out too.
That's the biggest mistake of his story.
 

Everyone questions Kishimoto on why he doesn't give Sakura more, but my biggest question is why Kishimoto have so much focus for Sasuke? It's always Sasuke. It is basically the reason why both Naruto and Sakura come off as weak and stupid. The story hinders on Sasuke's story so much that it reduces everything he comes in contact with to nothing. It is even true for Hinata as well.

The issue with Sakura is that there's nothing to expect from her because she has no goals neither background.
But Kishimoto give her some objective which is "being equal to Naruto and Sasuke" and doesnt deliver and keeps putting her on damsel and distress.
She being supportive is part of her heroine role, he doesnt deliver something unique to her character or doesnt make her shine on her own.
 

Chapter 615 was such a rubbish chapter that made Naruto look weak and pathetic because he was so willing to give up because Neji died. Some of you diagree with this fact, but then again I disagree on the whole Sakura thing, so we're even in this regards.

I agree, the problem with 615 is solely the fact Naruto was willing to give up because Neji died when he faced similar situations before like when Jiraiya died.
 

Sasuke even had his own weak and pathethic moments as well when he made the same mistakes that some of you point out against Sakura. Some of you mentioned how her plan sucked because all she did was run in there and yet that basically was Sasuke's last three plans. It was just basically "Speed blitz in and then hit them." Naruto harem no jutsu is alot more creative and was alot more effective then 3 of Sasuke's recent plans. Not only that, but when it came to fighting the invisible limbo clones that only Sasuke could see, he left them to Naruto who could only sense them. Yeah, great plan Sasuke. Great plan. Make Naruto do all the work while you tackle a few rocks and he couldn't even do that effectively unlike Naruto who took out several at a time.

The whole problem is that Sasuke creating stupid plans doesnt spare Sakura because it's stated as canon that Sakura is "smarter" than Naruto and Sasuke and her plans sucks aswell.
 

I see people say a lot and give these reasons, but never once make notice that these kind of things only occured when Sasuke was on the scene and taking charge. I don't see many criticizing his actions, but are immediatly going after Sakura like it was no big deal. You have to be fair about this. If you are going to criticize one character for making a mistake, then you have to charge them all for it. Sasuke's plans were no better than Sakura's and in fact they were worse and failed even harder despite Naruto being in perfect sinc with him.

We do, the fact is when we do this with Sakura it becomes a big deal.
 

If we want to go into real detail, at least Sakura is accepting of facts instead of just being in denial like Naruto is with some of it. "Yeah, we are great friends" Yeah, I am not buying that, Naruto. How is Sasuke a great friend and how is noone else a great friend to you especially considering so many did alot more and sacrificed alot more for you?

Last time i checked she was like "he doesnt care".
 

Imagine if this manga had no Sasuke at all. Alot of the problems some of you complain about wouldn't even exist. So my beef is that Sasuke just ruins this manga with his presence and that Kishi is trying so hard to make Sasuke seem that important that it is just ruining the other things that make this manga great.

Kishi's bad writing is not in Sakura's character, but in Sasuke's character because as shown Sakura was very competent and capable of alot of things when Sasuke wasn't on the scene.

Imagine if Sasuke wasnt the main plot of the manga, it would be 1000x better because we would actually have the main character moving the plot instead of chasing the antagonist and ignoring his own problems.

Like on the fight against Pain, remember how suddenly Pain said Naruto was a failure because he could not save Sasuke, that was ridkittenulous.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 01 July 2014 - 12:17 AM.

[Nostradamus]

Yes..she showed such strong determination to release Naruto's burden, just to change her mind and think that all she can do is to "believe in them". She tried to do everything alone, now she wants to let Naruto do it alone..maybe she finds her middleground in the upcoming arc.

Hopefully.