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[Nate River]

Team Dysfunctional would be so much better if they replace Sasuke with Sai, and leave it like that.

Without the power-up dunno if he can do damage. It'd be nice to have him since he's Team 7 too, but the whole point of limiting the types of attacks that can do damage was to force the issue of Sasuke cooperation.

[James S Cassidy]

Lol.

Someone correct me, but at the end of chapter 631, did Naruto say, "Team 7 is back and better than ever?" Yeah...if you mean better at strength, sure, but that's it. Lol. First his jutsu lost, now his statement couldn't further from the truth.

 

Yeah, it's worse that they are functioning so poorly. Bet their teamwork would be better with him over Sasuke.

It's just one more reason for me to hate Sasuke's character and one thing that urks me about Naruto.

Naruto says that Sasuke is a great friend and that Team 7 is back to its former glory now that he is back....yet he is still a jerk to everyone, has no synergy with his teammates because he is too much all about himself, and really has let Naruto do most of the work so far. All he has done is "see" the problem and proclaim that they need to focus on the Limbo clones, but Naruto is the one to really react and do everything.

It sucks

[TouKen4Life3g]

I mean sure they work well if together ONLY. Any other would be like replacement. Hey, he never said he is great friend to all. Lol.

[luffyq1]

Naruto is clearly delusional. I've seen better teamwork and friendship between two paper bags.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

It's just one more reason for me to hate Sasuke's character and one thing that urks me about Naruto.

Naruto says that Sasuke is a great friend and that Team 7 is back to its former glory now that he is back....yet he is still a jerk to everyone, has no synergy with his teammates because he is too much all about himself, and really has let Naruto do most of the work so far. All he has done is "see" the problem and proclaim that they need to focus on the Limbo clones, but Naruto is the one to really react and do everything.

It sucks

You must be trolling right?
Sasuke saved everyone twice on this fight so far, Susano'o to block Infinite Tsukyomi and when he saved Nruto from Obito's attack.
Your justification to hate Sasuke's character based on what he've done on the arc, is pretty weak, would be more reasonable if it was his reasons and how he's acting as a team 7 member without talking about what they did during the fight in terms of battle prowess.
Also Sakura and Kakashi were worse than Sasuke, Naruto stated that she could come with a better plan than him and Sasuke, but her plan to charge Madara right away was udder garbage, and Kakashi doing commentaries on the background pretty much useless due to the fact he lost his sharingan, but at least he understand that he cant do much and probably is thinking on a way to contribute.
Hope Kishimotos give something to Sakura to shine on her own way with a brilliant plan or something unique to her.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 June 2014 - 09:34 PM.

[Nostradamus]

Without the power-up dunno if he can do damage. It'd be nice to have him since he's Team 7 too, but the whole point of limiting the types of attacks that can do damage was to force the issue of Sasuke cooperation.

Without a serious power-up he won't be able to do much. However I'm referring to all three of them working together as team. We saw that Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke don't really mix. I would love to see how Naruto, Sakura and Sai work together.

Sai, a character that had no emotions and currently is in the process of learning them, showed more emotion towards Naruto and Sakura than Sasuke ever did (in terms of friendship). It would be nice to see if the teamwork between him, Naruto and Sakura works. Although it's highly unlikely, now that Sasuke is back. Maybe when the fight between Naruto and Sasuke will occur.

[Nostradamus]

You must be trolling right?
Sasuke saved everyone twice on this fight so far, Susano'o to block Infinite Tsukyomi and when he saved Nruto from Obito's attack.
Your justification to hate Sasuke's character based on what he've done on the arc, is pretty weak, would be more reasonable if it was his reasons and how he's acting as a team 7 member without talking about what they did during the fight in terms of battle prowess.
Also Sakura and Kakashi were worse than Sasuke, Naruto stated that she could come with a better plan than him and Sasuke, but her plan to charge Madara right away was udder garbage, and Kakashi doing commentaries on the background pretty much useless due to the fact he lost his sharingan, but at least he understand that he cant do much and probably is thinking on a way to contribute.
Hope Kishimotos give something to Sakura to shine on her own way with a brilliant plan or something unique to her.

James and I and pretty much everyone who doesn't like Sasuke, we don't like him not because of what he did recently. It's because of what he did in this entire story.

As for Sasuke saving "everyone", incorrect. Sasuke saved Naruto, Kakashi and Sakura, however if play attention to the dialog in the previous two chapters you would understand that Kakashi and Sakura are bonuses. He only saved Naruto because he needs him.

And something similar can be said about saving Naruto from Obito. He only saved Naruto because he wants to be the one that kills Naruto, and also that he need Naruto's power to fight against Obito.

Sakura's plan to charge Madara was the correct plan, however enter Team Dysfunctional that just doesn't work and you saw the result. Sakura takes charge shows more balls than Naruto and Sasuke combined and attacks, while she's doing that she tells the boys what to do. Guess what they do. They don't listen to her, they just look at her like idiots.

[James S Cassidy]

Your justification to hate Sasuke's character based on what he've done on the arc, is pretty weak, would be more reasonable....

 

See, I am stopping you here because this is coming from a poster who unjustifiable hates on Sakura every chance he gets. Every...chance...he....gets...no...matter...the...situation.

So before you criticize me, maybe you should rethink all your views on Sakura and how much you just blatently put her down all the time without cause or reason all because she doesn't live up to your standards.

Now before you reply to a post saying "all my reasons are justifiable, but yours are all blatent hate..and blah blah blah," I could argue that your views are just as wrong all because you make statements like "Sasuke has never lost a battle in this manga" and many have proved you wrong on several Sasuke facts you have made claim to.
 

James and I and pretty much everyone who doesn't like Sasuke, we don't like him not because of what he did recently. It's because of what he did in this entire story.

As for Sasuke saving "everyone", incorrect. Sasuke saved Naruto, Kakashi and Sakura, however if play attention to the dialog in the previous two chapters you would understand that Kakashi and Sakura are bonuses. He only saved Naruto because he needs him.

And something similar can be said about saving Naruto from Obito. He only saved Naruto because he wants to be the one that kills Naruto, and also that he need Naruto's power to fight against Obito.

Sakura's plan to charge Madara was the correct plan, however enter Team Dysfunctional that just doesn't work and you saw the result. Sakura takes charge shows more balls than Naruto and Sasuke combined and attacks, while she's doing that she tells the boys what to do. Guess what they do. They don't listen to her, they just look at her like idiots.

Thank you, Nostradamus.

To even add to that, it can be argued that the only reason why he saved Sakura and Kakashi was because Naruto was standing right next to them. What would happend if Naruto was standing somewhere else? I don't think he would grab Naruto then make his way to Sakura and Kakashi to save them all out of the goodness of his heart.

Like you said, it is backed by the dialouge with him basically saying how useless they are.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 03 June 2014 - 10:01 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know, if the buildup is that heyday is long gone, I'll be very happy with this. I mean we all said this is the closest we can get to Team 7 reunited, but maybe the new lesson is something about it. But who knows, but all this Sakura's part has to mean something, especially since Sasuke hasn't say his plan. If he did, you could argue that this scenario will help him to forget about it, but since it's a mystery, it only added the fuel of "those days are over." Almost feels like another reason to excuse Sai as well. We'll see what this end up being.

Before you go and say, "What about last arc?" let me tell you this. That arc was about dealing with Sasuke as in "can't just tell him to come back. You got to fight him. Beat him to death if you must." That's what Raikage, Itachi, and Gaara taught him, it's not sunshine and rainbow, this is reality. After all, Naruto kept denying that Sasuke chose his way, so he has to fight him. Here, this is a reunion, but the question is, is it worth it?

[James S Cassidy]

You know, if the buildup is that heyday is long gone, I'll be very happy with this. I mean we all said this is the closest we can get to Team 7 reunited, but maybe the new lesson is something about it. But who knows, but all this Sakura's part has to mean something, especially since Sasuke hasn't say his plan. If he did, you could argue that this scenario will help him to forget about it, but since it's a mystery, it only added the fuel of "those days are over." Almost feels like another reason to excuse Sai as well. We'll see what this end up being.

Before you go and say, "What about last arc?" let me tell you this. That arc was about dealing with Sasuke as in "can't just tell him to come back. You got to fight him. Beat him to death if you must." That's what Raikage, Itachi, and Gaara taught him, it's not sunshine and rainbow, this is reality. After all, Naruto kept denying that Sasuke chose his way, so he has to fight him. Here, this is a reunion, but the question is, is it worth it?

I think my biggest issue is how Kishi has set this all up. The way he has written Sasuke's character and the development that transpired with him just doesn't make me feel for it. What am I supposed to feel with Sasuke? Am I supposed to feel like he is a lost soul or am I supposed to feel like he is one more thorn in people's sides?

It's probably the one thing Kishi shot himself in the foot with. Sasuke's character is just not written well enough for me to care and at times he seems rather forced to be there. I have expressed this many times, but it keeps getting worse. Now we have Naruto making statements that are making me question Naruto's judgement cause he makes these claims that on panel are completely opposite.

Combined with the fact that Kishi said Sasuke is pure is making me think that Sasuke has made up his own mind about things and is not just someone who has been manipulated into believing things.

I just don't get what I am supposed to feel for Sasuke and the feelings I do have is me saying "He is better off dead or never existed at all." I can't think of one redeeming quality of him.

(Wow, Deja Vu. Feel like I have typed this exact post before.)

[Phantom_999]

Well As I stated before, it has more to do with being creator's pet than actually making an interesting story to him.
 

James and I and pretty much everyone who doesn't like Sasuke, we don't like him not because of what he did recently. It's because of what he did in this entire story.
As for Sasuke saving "everyone", incorrect. Sasuke saved Naruto, Kakashi and Sakura, however if play attention to the dialog in the previous two chapters you would understand that Kakashi and Sakura are bonuses. He only saved Naruto because he needs him.
And something similar can be said about saving Naruto from Obito. He only saved Naruto because he wants to be the one that kills Naruto, and also that he need Naruto's power to fight against Obito.
Sakura's plan to charge Madara was the correct plan, however enter Team Dysfunctional that just doesn't work and you saw the result. Sakura takes charge shows more balls than Naruto and Sasuke combined and attacks, while she's doing that she tells the boys what to do. Guess what they do. They don't listen to her, they just look at her like idiots.

 

Sasuke is a selfish p***k to be sure, but the one think I do like about his character is that at least he makes not exuses for his choices except for that doing for the family thing which has more to do with Ancient Chinese/Japanese values. And definitely their team work at the moment is not the brightest I've seen. Heck Sasuke only puts up with Naruto because he thinks Naruto is the only one there worth something for the fight which saying he did not learn jack and is right back to where he was in the beginning. That said he makes a valid point only because Naruto occasionally shows the DBZ direction where cunning and strategy don't do anything in the face of unparalleled power.

Edited by Phantom_999, 03 June 2014 - 10:22 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

James and I and pretty much everyone who doesn't like Sasuke, we don't like him not because of what he did recently. It's because of what he did in this entire story.
As for Sasuke saving "everyone", incorrect. Sasuke saved Naruto, Kakashi and Sakura, however if play attention to the dialog in the previous two chapters you would understand that Kakashi and Sakura are bonuses. He only saved Naruto because he needs him.
And something similar can be said about saving Naruto from Obito. He only saved Naruto because he wants to be the one that kills Naruto, and also that he need Naruto's power to fight against Obito.
Sakura's plan to charge Madara was the correct plan, however enter Team Dysfunctional that just doesn't work and you saw the result. Sakura takes charge shows more balls than Naruto and Sasuke combined and attacks, while she's doing that she tells the boys what to do. Guess what they do. They don't listen to her, they just look at her like idiots.

I also dislikes Sasuke, but i dont try to diminish what he did on the arc like "Sasuke did nothing with his rinnegan and etc..."
I hate his character because of his development and how he acts but i dont diminish his efforts the manga would pretty much end if he didnt used that Susano'o.

[James S Cassidy]

 

Well Sasuke is a selfish prick, but the one think I do like about his character is that at least he makes not exuses for his choices except for that doing for the family thing which has more to do with Ancient Chinese/Japanese values. And definitely their team work at the moment is not the brightest I've seen. Heck Sasuke only puts up with Naruto because he thinks Naruto is the only one there worth something for the fight which saying he did not learn jack and is right back to where he was in the beginning.

Well, I guess there is that. Sasuke never made excuses for his actions.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think my biggest issue is how Kishi has set this all up. The way he has written Sasuke's character and the development that transpired with him just doesn't make me feel for it. What am I supposed to feel with Sasuke? Am I supposed to feel like he is a lost soul or am I supposed to feel like he is one more thorn in people's sides?

It's probably the one thing Kishi shot himself in the foot with. Sasuke's character is just not written well enough for me to care and at times he seems rather forced to be there. I have expressed this many times, but it keeps getting worse. Now we have Naruto making statements that are making me question Naruto's judgement cause he makes these claims that on panel are completely opposite.

Combined with the fact that Kishi said Sasuke is pure is making me think that Sasuke has made up his own mind about things and is not just someone who has been manipulated into believing things.

I just don't get what I am supposed to feel for Sasuke and the feelings I do have is me saying "He is better off dead or never existed at all." I can't think of one redeeming quality of him.

(Wow, Deja Vu. Feel like I have typed this exact post before.)

The funny thing is that Sasuke stopped being sympathetic character after Itachi's truth revealed. Now, he's a character that is a villain in the making. That's how I see it. I mean when was the last time he cried, you know. It felt like after that moment, it was the last tears he sheds. Later, he sheds blood. Lol.  But anyway, thinking over, it seems like a villain in the making, especially since he has been shady for the longest. Edo Itachi only made him cool down from destroying the village but now, dictating is the new black. So yeah, villain in the making. Always felt 616 cover is a foreshadowed.

 

But anyway, I'm just waiting on how this all goes down.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

See, I am stopping you here because this is coming from a poster who unjustifiable hates on Sakura every chance he gets. Every...chance...he....gets...no...matter...the...situation.

Wow, "unjustifiable hate" sorry dude i'm not a Sakura's fan but i dont hate her character, it's kinda funny because her character is balanced she has negatives actions and positive actions and with a tone of her feelings into it.
But what i see is everything she does is positive, how a character that is flawed because Kishimoto draws her to be realistic and she's praised even when she does wrong things like rushing towards Madara.
When Sasuke was stabbed was "wow", Hinata charging pain and she gets hated.
But Sakura, when Sakura did the exact same thing she gets praised and it's a shining moment dafuq.
 

So before you criticize me, maybe you should rethink all your views on Sakura and how much you just blatently put her down all the time without cause or reason all because she doesn't live up to your standards.

No i just caught your double standard, it's basically the same thing, you criticize Sasuke for everything, and when he does something that is praised from a battle perspective you diminish it and basically expressed he's being useless.
But Sakura when she did basically nothing on the fight because the point is about her standing as an equal towards Naruto and Sasuke, she's basically praised and i'm labbelled as a "Sakura hater" because i viewed the negativity of her wanting to be equal to Naruto and Sasuke with her current powerlevel.

Because currently she's just a carbon copy of Tsunade with stuff like "she surpassed Tsunade" then Kishimoto shows Sakura struggling to heal Shikamaru and Tsunade comes and heal him with a touch, says that she can come with a better plan than Naruto and Sasuke and "she charges towards Madara recklessly".
I just think that from an heroine perspective like other heroines also have she needs to have something of her own to complement her team.
Her healing abilities are outshined by Naruto and her offensive abilities arent relevant when compared to Naruto and Sasuke.
 

Now before you reply to a post saying "all my reasons are justifiable, but yours are all blatent hate..and blah blah blah," I could argue that your views are just as wrong all because you make statements like "Sasuke has never lost a battle in this manga" and many have proved you wrong on several Sasuke facts you have made claim to.

Like where?
He indeed hasnt lost a fight because Orochimaru was just testing his strenght and he didnt failed the exam.
 

To even add to that, it can be argued that the only reason why he saved Sakura and Kakashi was because Naruto was standing right next to them. What would happend if Naruto was standing somewhere else? I don't think he would grab Naruto then make his way to Sakura and Kakashi to save them all out of the goodness of his heart.

Like you said, it is backed by the dialouge with him basically saying how useless they are.

Which is what i said earlier and is a double standard, you're diminishing the fact he saved the manga literally because he didnt do it with goodness on his heart.
The reasoning behind his attitude doesnt diminish the fact he did it anyway.
It's going to cascade later on the manga on where he will get redeemed and he will be given a free pass because of his deeds on this fight that's the solely purpose why Sasuke is fighting here.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 June 2014 - 10:32 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

I also dislikes Sasuke, but i dont try to diminish what he did on the arc like "Sasuke did nothing with his rinnegan and etc..."
I hate his character because of his development and how he acts but i dont diminish his efforts the manga would pretty much end if he didnt used that Susano'o.

 

And yet you diminish everything Sakura has done...

 

The funny thing is that Sasuke stopped being sympathetic character after Itachi's truth revealed. Now, he's a character that is a villain in the making. That's how I see it. I mean when was the last time he cried, you know. It felt like after that moment, it was the last tears he sheds. Later, he sheds blood. Lol.  But anyway, thinking over, it seems like a villain in the making, especially since he has been shady for the longest. Edo Itachi only made him cool down from destroying the village but now, dictating is the new black. So yeah, villain in the making. Always felt 616 cover is a foreshadowed.

 

But anyway, I'm just waiting on how this all goes down.

 

I feel more sympathy for Itachi than I do Sasuke. Itachi who literally sacrificed everything and chose to be thought of as a villain all because he wanted his brother's well-being. Sasuke is such a spoiled brat because he just spits on everyone and everything that gave him stuff.

I feel more sympathy for Obito because he felt like a lost soul.

I wish Obito was the one that stayed alive and Sasuke the one who kicked the bucket. If anyone deserved to keep the Uchiha spirit alive it was Obito. Sasuke would just repeat everything Madara has done.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 03 June 2014 - 10:34 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

And yet you diminish everything Sakura has done...

In battle prowess it makes sense due to her goal is to be equal grounds with Naruto and Sasuke and that's the problem.
I praised her when she got the alliance back together and i pointed out the difference between her and Hinata at that moment.
But her battle abilities arent impressive due to the fact it only was successfull against fodders and she's not thinking on the best way to make use of it aside from using her seal as a meat shield, she's capable of doing better because canon states she's smarter than Naruto and Sasuke, and her medical abilities despite being impressive were outshined by Naruto's hand of god and Tsunade's magical hand.
Kishimoto does a bad job at handling Sakura.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 June 2014 - 10:40 PM.

[ramenanmitsu]

Sakura's plan to charge Madara was the correct plan, however enter Team Dysfunctional that just doesn't work and you saw the result. Sakura takes charge shows more balls than Naruto and Sasuke combined and attacks, while she's doing that she tells the boys what to do. Guess what they do. They don't listen to her, they just look at her like idiots.

Sakura's plan did work as Sasuke got the chance to attack Madara. The only problem was, his attacks weren't strong enough and there were the unexpected appearance of several limbos.

Are there any better plans that could have injured Madara?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Sakura's plan did work as Sasuke got the chance to attack Madara. The only problem was, his attacks weren't strong enough and there were the unexpected appearance of several limbos.

They were aware that the limbos are there, they went to save Sakura, it's show by Sasuke's panel and Naruto telling Sakura to wait.
 

Are there any better plans that could have injured Madara?

Madara got new powers and they werent supposed from a battle perspective to attack first, because you dont attack an opponent that you dont know what kind of new abilities he has on his sleeve now, the best plan was to wait and counter-attack.
That's how shounend works.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 June 2014 - 10:45 PM.

[Nostradamus]

Sakura's plan did work as Sasuke got the chance to attack Madara. The only problem was, his attacks weren't strong enough and there were the unexpected appearance of several limbos.

Are there any better plans that could have injured Madara?

They could've both reacted as soon as Sakura tells them that she will create a diversion, but both of them reacted after she got stabbed.