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[James S Cassidy]

Yet still miss the point.
What about Sakura's powers i dont see her showing anything that makes her superior to Tsunade, i'm not comparing her to Naruto neither Sasuke but things she managed to do on the arc, she only was emphasized was her healing powers which were the same as Tsunade, as for her strenght, only managed to destroy random enemies and to try to punch Madara on which failed.
Tsunade had failed too but the point is it wasnt shown doing anything that we can say she surpassed Tsunade.
 
Were was shown her being stronger than Tsunade?
I've seen Sakura destroying a bunch of Juubi's minions while Tsunade smashed Madara and his Susano'o armor.
 
I'm not using Madara as a point of her power, the problem is that she doesnt have displays of power other than attacking fodders and going to the background later, Sakura doesnt fight how Kishi can show us how she's stronger than Tsunade?
When i see Tsunade fighting against Madara breaking Susano'o, and Sakura destroying Juubi's minions?

 

Bolded: You say this and yet every example you give is how fair Tsunade did against Madara and what her feats were against him. A Madara who at the time was an Edo Tensei, didn't have the power of a god, and only used his Sharingan.

Then you use stuff like this:

 

Compared to his masters he's way powerfull now comparing him with Naruto is a different matter, even comparing him with Madara, we all know he's not at his full power because he still has the other eye to awake and Naruto is also incomplete because he only has a tiny part of the bijuus.
But as for Sasuke we see him using different jutsus and keep being stronger.

Look at Sakura as an example, she goes to punch Madara and fail.

 

Wow, just...wow.  You use every possible excuse to justify Naruto and Sasuke, but never even attempt to apply those same things to Sakura? Never even bring in the variable that the Madara that Tsunade fought and the Madara that Sakura fought are two different powers levels.

If you really want to compare Tsuande vs Sakura and Teacher vs Student, then I guess you are going to have to take into account:

-Sakura's Age: She is only like what 16 and she can exhibit that much power? Imagine when she gets to be Tsunade's age. She will be super powerful and amazing.

-Sakura usage: I would say Sakura's punches are greater than Tsunade's because as stated she can actually go full force with it and not use partial of that power for rejuvenation. The magnitude of her punches really shows greater power in them.

-Sakura's Byakugou seal is actually said to be the more complete version of it. Same as Naruto Toad Sage is a more refined version of Jiraiya's.

 

I also like you never really comment on the Sasuke part. You know the one where all of Sasuke's powers, up to the point of gaining what the Sage gave him, were all just word of mouth or characters just expressing how strong he is yet what he does show just doesn't stack up? Does he overpower Orochimaru? Maybe, but then again Orochimaru gave him powers of his own stacked onto his with the curse seal. The curse seal that can be used to bring Orochimaru back to life. Also Kabuto fused his own body with Orochimaru's DNA which gave him Snake Sage jutsu which can be argued is more powerful than Sasuke.

So let's put against a Pre-Sage upgrade Sasuke vs a Full Power Orochimaru who is not dying of anything what so ever and see who wins.

 

 

Fallacy.

-Haku, Neither Naruto or Sasuke won, Haku sacrificed to protect Zabuza.
- Orochimaru, Naruto was knocked off and Sasuke had like 12 years, yeah the guy who killed the sandaime.
- Itachi, I expressed Itachi was stronger than him but the point he hasnt lose and at that time he was stronger than any of the k11 and was stronger than Kakashi still stands, he literally owned Kakashi during the summit.
-Killer Bee, indeed he lost but whom could put up a fight against Bee, except for Kisame?
-Gaara. Yep, he lost but yet Naruto lost to him later during the valley of the end.
- Madara, Fight hasnt ended and if we can say he lost then we can argue the same for Naruto who got owned with one jutsu.

 

 

But wait, didn't you just say he never lost a battle and now all of a sudden you are back peddling?

 

You said Sasuke never lost in the manga. Those were your words. It doesn't matter who actually won the fight. The point was that Sasuke lost.

 

Fallacy, you say? Yes, you did say a fallacy and you got caught.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 17 May 2014 - 03:00 AM.

[redrose3443]

 

That has more to do that she has another role other than fighting.  All the boys can do is fight, and Kishimoto has to keep them in the front of the battle, where they are needed to be.  Anyway, those moments, where Sakura fails fighting-wise, happen too many times to be called coincidence.  I'm pretty sure Kishimoto purposely had them made.  It's part of a build-up for a resolution that's still in the future.  This current situation is one time where Sakura can't be put in the background.  Kishimoto specifically put her in this battle, along with Naruto and Sasuke.  Also, in the latest chapter, Madara had a flashback of Tsunade stating the rule about one with the Byakugou is able to ignore the previous rules of a medic nin.  Madara thought that.  Even though he noted the same regeneration, he thought of this instead of plenty of other instances.  Again, Kishimoto is using certain panels to specifically address the readers.  Sakura is here for a reason, and won't be relegated to background status.  Kishimoto is trying to tell his audience this.

 

Naruto & sasuke > sakura since part one.
This manga doesn't use the boss, sub boss, henchmen system like onepiece or bleach, thus only select few character that get fight scene.

Sakura will gain ssm, genjutsu, and probably an elemental ninjutsu. Since she will get a fight in the next arc. That's why I don't understand why sakura need a big power up in this arc. Sakura achievement for me is remarkable since she's just an ordinary girl.

That's what I'm praying for. Signs are subtlely pointing to it, but from Kishi's past treatment of Sakura it's easy for me to get discouraged.

[harry4e]

 I don't know how she would gain genjutsu abilities, however because of the fact that Kishi has been doing power ups and @sspulls for a while now, why not let Sakura get something that he never built on. Her gaining some genjutsu abilities would not be completely out of the blue, seeing as the only person she really fought was Sasori and the only time an enemey cast a genjutsu on her was back at the beginning, with Itachi.

 

Kishi could do the same thing he did with her seal in reguards to her genjutsu ability for all we know.

 

@ NaruSaku4life3g - LOL

 

We all know Arsepull like this are only reserved for Sasuke, Naruto gaining the Sage ability and even meeting the Sage has been hinted at for over a year, Sasuke not so much, infact it's still unclear why the Sage decided to see him at all. He met Naruto because the Bijuu chose him, why did the Sage go to see Sasuke? it can't be because of the Senju Chakra if it was he would have met Madara as well. It was a a complete Arsepull.

 

I still can't see it happenning, I can understand why you might want it to happen, it would show Sakura gaining a strong ability that puts her above others, but the thing is the haters will still see it as a weakness of Madara's Jutsu instead of Sakuras strong point.

 

Also part of me wants her to be trapped in the Genjutsu so she can see what she really desires, her heart and her head are not fully aligned, her brain tells her she loves Sasuke but her heart and her actions show it's Naruto...so maybe this genjutsu might actually be what she needs to clear her mind....and if it works anything like Itachi's Genjutsu, in a couple of minutes she could have spent years in the world and be happily married with kids, can you imagine she gets out of the Genjutsu and she spends the next ten minutes shaking Naruto demanding to know where their children are?

[NaruSakuishere]

So why is it okay for Naruto and Sasuke to get asspull power-ups but not Sakura?

[FireFox]

So why is it okay for Naruto and Sasuke to get asspull power-ups but not Sakura?

I don't think anyone in here thinks like that in fact everyone would be happy with that , Sasuke had them trough the whole manga let Naruto and Sakura have one .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 17 May 2014 - 02:03 AM.

[redrose3443]

 

We all know Arsepull like this are only reserved for Sasuke, Naruto gaining the Sage ability and even meeting the Sage has been hinted at for over a year, Sasuke not so much, infact it's still unclear why the Sage decided to see him at all. He met Naruto because the Bijuu chose him, why did the Sage go to see Sasuke? it can't be because of the Senju Chakra if it was he would have met Madara as well. It was a a complete Arsepull.

 

I still can't see it happenning, I can understand why you might want it to happen, it would show Sakura gaining a strong ability that puts her above others, but the thing is the haters will still see it as a weakness of Madara's Jutsu instead of Sakuras strong point.

 

Also part of me wants her to be trapped in the Genjutsu so she can see what she really desires, her heart and her head are not fully aligned, her brain tells her she loves Sasuke but her heart and her actions show it's Naruto...so maybe this genjutsu might actually be what she needs to clear her mind....and if it works anything like Itachi's Genjutsu, in a couple of minutes she could have spent years in the world and be happily married with kids, can you imagine she gets out of the Genjutsu and she spends the next ten minutes shaking Naruto demanding to know where their children are?

Yeah I want Sakura's feelings resolved too. I don't care which happens first, as long as Sakura gets a real power up or she flat out says she no longer loves Sasuke,then I'll be happy. Cause either way I could laugh at the upset haters.

 

And I would love it if Ksihi wrote a scence like that between them.

Edited by redrose3443, 17 May 2014 - 02:24 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

Yet still miss the point.

 

Actually I am going to take this one step further and prove that in reality Sakura has surpassed Tsunade in almost every way while Naruto and Sasuke haven't.
 

First off we are going to start with Sasuke:
We have no idea what Sasuke has learned from Orochimaru and it has never been specified. All power-ups Sasuke has gotten pertained to his Sharingan and such. What did Orochimaru teach him? He didn't learn medic-ninjutsu nor any of Orochimaru abilities have shown with Sasuke. What we do know is that Sasuke was immune to poisons thanks to Orochimaru's doing and gave him a snake summon. Nothing else is ever specified. Sure, his power has increased in terms of how much strength, but none of Orochimaru's jutsu or anything has been perfected. Orochimaru was also good at sealing techniques and Sasuke never done that either. I don't know if Orochimaru can do Snake Sage, so I won't count it, but...

Did Sasuke learn Snake Sage mode thus surpassing Orochimaru in Snake Summons? No. Sasuke didn't learn anything of Orochimaru's techniques so how can we say he surpassed him? I'll even add sword fighting since Orochimaru can sword fight. Anko used more Orochimaru abilities than Sasuke has.

 

Sasuke has learned more from his Uchiha side than Orochimaru and even then Itachi far surpasses him.

(If you want to count Kakashi, then Sasuke has definitely surpassed him with perfecting and reinventing the chidori.)

Next we have Naruto:
Naruto learned a few techniques from Jiraiya and was even passed down sage abilities. However, did Naruto actually succeed in surpassing Jiraiya? Okay, so he perfected Sage mode greater than Jiraiya did, but Naruto never showed any frog techniques what so ever. He summoned frogs, true, but again look at all the stuff Jiraiya can do and compare to what Naruto can do. He uses no frog techniques, no frog sage techniques other than increasing strength, senses, and nature chakra, and never even learned sealing techniques from him either.

How can we say Naruto surpassed when all he does is the same jutsu over and over again? Even his wind affinity is just one technique and all he does is combine it with his Rasengan. Why not wind blades or something? I am sure there are other things Naruto can learn.

 

Now let's look at Sakura:
Student of Tsunade, Tsunade taught her all kinds of medical-ninjutsu and even the Byakugou seal. Sakura has mastered all those fields and even perfected others. Everything that Tsunade can do, Sakura can do and more. Can Tsunade use the scalpel technique like Kabuto? Unknown cause we never saw her use it. Shizune, who is also Tsunade's student, comments on how Sakura learned things that even she couldn't master.

 

Who really did surpass their teacher?
 

 

Given the circumstances and what it means to really "surpass," Sakura surpasses in every aspect Tsunade has done and is going to continue to get stronger even from now. Naruto and Sasuke have surpassed in terms of raw power, but their techniques learned from their teachers are not even close. The knowledge they both posses is limited compared to the knowledge of their teachers capabilities.

In a certain point of view, only Sakura has truly surpassed her teacher.
 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 17 May 2014 - 03:15 AM.

[harry4e]

So why is it okay for Naruto and Sasuke to get asspull power-ups but not Sakura?

 

Naruto does not get arse pull power ups, he had to work to get the Rasenshuriken, he had to work for the Sage mode, he had to defeat Kurama to get Bijuu-mode, he had to gain the respect of Kurama to get full Kurama mode, (not like the other hosts didn't get these power-up either) He had to earn the trust of all nine Bijuu to unlock his new abilties....and all these abilities we could see them coming months in advance, You knew when B was introduced years ago, Naruto would one day gain Kuramas trust and get a massive power-up, you knew when he met Son Goku he would get the abiltiy of all the beasts and maybe maybe even the Sages powers, you can't call them arsepull when you saw them coming years in advance. Yeah the way he suddenly knows how to use these new powers is an arsepull but the powers themselves are not so much. Not for me atleast as I was expecting them to go in that direction.

 

As for why? Because as I said Kishi reserves them for Sasuke, He unlocks the MS and manages to combine Susanoo with the Black flames, something not even Itach could do, that was an arsepull, unlocks the EMS and master the Susanoo straght away, an arsepull, his Susanoo sprouting wings and flying all of a sudden an arsepull, Yes I know it's a Tengu and they have wings but we never saw Madara or Itachi or even Indra having that ability so Sasuke doing it is an arsepull.

 

It's not that I wouldn't like to see Sakura get a power-up, I just don't see Kishi giving anyone other than Sasuke or Naruto the abiltiy to get out of the genjutsu and be the hero, He likes Sasukes too much and keeps giving him freebies and Naruto is the main charactor.

 

Edit: *looks at James post,* it's a good thing I edited all my post about Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura surpassing their master, because this post explains it much better.

 

Also I'd say Naruto surpassed Jiarya with the Rasengan and Sage mode only. he can't do the seals or the other Jutsu's Jiraya used, and Sasuke hasn't surpassed Orichimaru in any of the techniques he was taught by him, the way both have surpassed their master is by utilising powers that their masters never had so you can't say they surpassed their masters in their teaching but in abilities that had nothing to do with their masters teaching.

 

Sakura on the other hand has learnt all her master abilities, and getting to a point she will soon equal them and definitely surpass her in skills like poisons might even have surpassed her. So from all three as a Master and student relationship goes Sakura is the one who is closest to surpassing their sensie in the abilities their master taught them.

 

In 15 years time, Sakura will be able to pass on all her sensies teaching to her student/child as well as any new improvements she makes, Neither Sasuke or Naruto will be able to pass on all their sensies teaching, because they never learnt them all.

Edited by harry4e, 17 May 2014 - 03:02 AM.

[Gravenimage]

James@ don't forget at 632 Hashirama commented on Sakura's strength when she took down all those Jyubi clones with only one punch. To be recognized and complimented by the first Hokage is truly an achievement proving Sakura has become very strong.

[James S Cassidy]

 

Naruto does not get arse pull power ups, he had to work to get the Rasenshuriken, he had to work for the Sage mode, he had to defeat Kurama to get Bijuu-mode, he had to gain the respect of Kurama to get full Kurama mode, (not like the other hosts didn't get these power-up either) He had to earn the trust of all nine Bijuu to unlock his new abilties....and all these abilities we could see them coming months in advance, You knew when B was introduced years ago, Naruto would one day gain Kuramas trust and get a massive power-up, you knew when he met Son Goku he would get the abiltiy of all the beasts and maybe maybe even the Sages powers, you can't call them arsepull when you saw them coming years in advance. Yeah the way he suddenly knows how to use these new powers is an arsepull but the powers themselves are not so much. Not for me atleast as I was expecting them to go in that direction.

 

As for why? Because as I said Kishi reserves them for Sasuke, He unlocks the MS and manages to combine Susanoo with the Black flames, something not even Itach could do, that was an arsepull, unlocks the EMS and master the Susanoo straght away, an arsepull, his Susanoo sprouting wings and flying all of a sudden an arsepull, Yes I know it's a Tengu and they have wings but we never saw Madara or Itachi or even Indra having that ability so Sasuke doing it is an arsepull.

 

It's not that I wouldn't like to see Sakura get a power-up, I just don't see Kishi giving anyone other than Sasuke or Naruto the abiltiy to get out of the genjutsu and be the hero, He likes Sasukes too much and keeps giving him freebies and Naruto is the main charactor.

 

Edit: *looks at James post,* it's a good thing I edited all my post about Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura surpassing their master, because this post explains it much better.

 

Also I'd say Naruto surpassed Jiarya with the Rasengan and Sage mode only. he can't do the seals or the other Jutsu's Jiraya used, and Sasuke hasn't surpassed Orichimaru in any of the techniques he was taught by him, the way both have surpassed their master is by utilising powers that their masters never had so you can't say they surpassed their masters in their teaching but in abilities that had nothing to do with their masters teaching.

 

Sakura on the other hand has learnt all her master abilities, and getting to a point she will soon equal them and definitely surpass her in skills like poisons might even have surpassed her. So from all three as a Master and student relationship goes Sakura is the one who is closest to surpassing their sensie in the abilities their master taught them.

 

In 15 years time, Sakura will be able to pass on all her sensies teaching to her student/child as well as any new improvements she makes, Neither Sasuke or Naruto will be able to pass on all their sensies teaching, because they never learnt them all.

 

Bingo, so who really surpassed who?

 

 

James@ don't forget at 632 Hashirama commented on Sakura's strength when she took down all those Jyubi clones with only one punch. To be recognized and complimented by the first Hokage is truly an achievement proving Sakura has become very strong.

 

Double Bingo.

Sakura is not be as strong as Sasuke and Naruto in raw power, but she does know hell of alot more than them and perfected every part of her teacher's techniques.

Most of all, Sakura did it all without bloodline heritage or reincarnations.

 

We can also point out that Naruto never even learned his own father's techniques which I was hoping he would learn and use in the battle.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 17 May 2014 - 03:13 AM.

[melovechoco]

Will kishi shows sakura's parents in the manga too?

[NaruSakuishere]

 

Naruto does not get arse pull power ups, he had to work to get the Rasenshuriken, he had to work for the Sage mode, he had to defeat Kurama to get Bijuu-mode, he had to gain the respect of Kurama to get full Kurama mode, (not like the other hosts didn't get these power-up either) He had to earn the trust of all nine Bijuu to unlock his new abilties....and all these abilities we could see them coming months in advance, You knew when B was introduced years ago, Naruto would one day gain Kuramas trust and get a massive power-up, you knew when he met Son Goku he would get the abiltiy of all the beasts and maybe maybe even the Sages powers, you can't call them arsepull when you saw them coming years in advance. Yeah the way he suddenly knows how to use these new powers is an arsepull but the powers themselves are not so much. Not for me atleast as I was expecting them to go in that direction.

 

As for why? Because as I said Kishi reserves them for Sasuke, He unlocks the MS and manages to combine Susanoo with the Black flames, something not even Itach could do, that was an arsepull, unlocks the EMS and master the Susanoo straght away, an arsepull, his Susanoo sprouting wings and flying all of a sudden an arsepull, Yes I know it's a Tengu and they have wings but we never saw Madara or Itachi or even Indra having that ability so Sasuke doing it is an arsepull.

 

It's not that I wouldn't like to see Sakura get a power-up, I just don't see Kishi giving anyone other than Sasuke or Naruto the abiltiy to get out of the genjutsu and be the hero, He likes Sasukes too much and keeps giving him freebies and Naruto is the main charactor.

 

Edit: *looks at James post,* it's a good thing I edited all my post about Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura surpassing their master, because this post explains it much better.

 

Also I'd say Naruto surpassed Jiarya with the Rasengan and Sage mode only. he can't do the seals or the other Jutsu's Jiraya used, and Sasuke hasn't surpassed Orichimaru in any of the techniques he was taught by him, the way both have surpassed their master is by utilising powers that their masters never had so you can't say they surpassed their masters in their teaching but in abilities that had nothing to do with their masters teaching.

 

Sakura on the other hand has learnt all her master abilities, and getting to a point she will soon equal them and definitely surpass her in skills like poisons might even have surpassed her. So from all three as a Master and student relationship goes Sakura is the one who is closest to surpassing their sensie in the abilities their master taught them.

 

In 15 years time, Sakura will be able to pass on all her sensies teaching to her student/child as well as any new improvements she makes, Neither Sasuke or Naruto will be able to pass on all their sensies teaching, because they never learnt them all.

 

Okay ^^ Thanks I understand now.  I'm sorry I got mad earlier I'm just tired of all this Sakura bashing that's all.

Edited by NaruSakuishere, 17 May 2014 - 03:38 AM.

[rocci]

So why is it okay for Naruto and Sasuke to get asspull power-ups but not Sakura?

Because she's just a normal human. And hoping sakura get a powerup comparable to naru sasu like hoping nami curbstomp akainu or rukia kittenslap aizen.

Naruto always stronger than sasuke it not for the fact that kishi intent to make naru vs sasu the last battle in this manga, thus kishi need to make sure sasuke equall to naruto. If not then sasuke will become the zorro of this manga(second strongest).

After all big chakra (not)always win battle.

[Nate River]

I concede that until something was actually shown AFTER he gained a massive power boost thanks to the Sage of Six Paths due to the reincarnation reasoning, that YOU hate by the way, Sasuke's maximum potential was only spoken by word. By show, Sasuke failed more times than he succeeded and in fact has shown to succeed either due to a technicality or he "borrowed" power from another source.

So, it was shown then.

I wasn't talking about his maximum potential. I wasn't talking about anyone's maximum potential.

That Sasuke failed more time than he succeed is irrelevant to my complaint as is how he got the power.

And, yes, I do hate it. So what's the point in repeating it as a gotcha accusation? I freely admit that I hate it. I said so in my post. I can say it again, if you like. You know, just so we're clear on that.
 
 
 

Granted Naruto borrows power from the Nine-Tails chakra, but Naruto has shown powers, sans Nine-tails, that far exceed anything Sasuke has ever done on his own merits

This also has nothing to do with my point.
 
 
 

Prior to Naruto and Sasuke gaining those powers due to their reincarnation, Sasuke showed powers that frailed in comparison to Itachi's.

So what? Again, this has nothing to do with what I said.
 
 
 

And Sakura HAS shown to be more powerful than Tsunade. She is that young and displayed powers that were not inherited like Naruto's and Sasuke's were. She doesn't come from a distinct clan and yet she has shown to be super powerful. She never inherited anything for free and work for every bit of strength she has. (In that case, Sakura is more powerful because she trained and earned all the strength she has gained.)

So what if she is not from a distinct clan and never inherited anything. Unless specified int he manga, how they obtained has nothing to do with it's limit or its abilities. This is an attempt to counter an argument I did not make and, thus, beside the point.

By the way, it's not terribly persuasive to say she has been shown to be more powerful than Tsunade by claiming she is not from a clan and had to work for stuff. You point to nothing.

 
 

Meanwhile, you and Dark are comparing her power to all the times she failed against Madara who is basically the equivalent to a juicer and has been jacked up with everything he could possibly be jacked up with. Who has gained some powers only because he used Hashirama's DNA implanted inside of him and used the tailed beasts.

All the times? I don't recall doing that. The last time she had a power-up: my complaint is that Kishimoto had her last waste to mooks and then allowed her to perform her patended fade into the background. I wanted more, not just laying waste the nameless. I surprised so many Sakura fans are content with so little.

Her real shinning moment has had nothing to do with power-ups, by the way. I enjoyed that far more than this or the previous power-up.
 
 
 

You want to compare how powerful they are compared to their teachers and yet you base Sakura's power all on the fact that she failed to even lay a touch on Madara?

No, not really. You must not have read or understood what I was getting at. I don't care that she didn't damage him or kick his ass. I don't expect her too. I care that in the course of that he has her engage a seal we saw Tsunade use, and in fact has a panel right behind it with Tsunade using the same damn technique, and calls it surpassing. This is the same Tsuande who kept all the Kage alive with in two pieces. Did Sakura use it in a new way? No. Add something to it? No. Save someone from an even more harrowing injury that Tsunade could not have? No.

She very well might and that is why I am OPENLY (yes I said it) hedging my bets and why I said I am in wait and see mode.

I said to Reddragon (want me to quote myself?) that I admit she has surpassed Tsunade as a matter of canon because he said so. I complained that this method has her surpass because he tells us and not shows us. I state no particular method by which I expect to be shown. There are many ways it could be done. I also said that if this chapter is all we get, then, yes, I will be unimpressed. As I said, I do not expect her to beat Madara, but I would hope that the author cared about his character enough that he would have her be more than a temp meat shield in a failure of a plan. I think if your satisfied with only this then your expectations are too low. I am not demanding anything of her that I would not demand of anyone else.

It's funny get lambasted for saying something negative with 500 yards of Sakura (when my complain is aimed at the author) when I have been far more critical of the other two over the few years.

I did not criticize her for jumping in or failing to do damage. I criticized the author for that craptacular line rather than having her do something that is more than what Tsunade has done and THEN calling it surpassing. That's it. Perhaps, I demand too much.

You seem to be reading a bunch of things into my statements that I do not say.

I saw you edit your post, too. I wish I'd screen caped where you all but called me and darkest stupid; sarcastically commenting on our great logic. It'd have had more bite if you spent more time addressing my point rather than attacking arguments I am not making.

 
 

Anyway, next point. Surpassing their mentors... Healing abilities are not needed for discussion, since keeping the whole alliance healed is enough for that. And before anybody starts speaking about Naruto, I have three points for you to think about:

See my response to James. I think Tsunade could do that do, but she never gets the chance given that she's burned herself out fighting Madara and then keep the gfive Kage's alive while in two pieces.

An example...what is something Naruto did that Jiriaya and Kakashi could not: Add an element to Rasengan. It's apparently too much to ask or hope that she take that seal and move it a step further than even Tsuande did. Wouldn't that make Sakura look awesome. I think so.


And, members of H&E, I have a confession. I, Nate River, an am apostate to the church of Sakura. Even though I explained that I would wait and see until next week (twice) and hoped that this wasn't it for her, I must be roasted for daring to make a criticism, which by the way, was aimed at the author rather than character.

To that I say: I regret nothing.

[ramenanmitsu]

In the manga it was stated that Kaguya cast the 'Infinite Tsukuyomi'. 

 

Was it ever shown who broke out of it? I'm wondering why this person is never shown. If, the world Naruto is living now is the real world, there had to be someone who broke out of it right!? Or does it naturally disappear with time? 

 

Also, everybody can't be seeing the same illusions right? The desires will be conflicting. (Ex. Kiba, Sasuke, Naruto, Konohamaru wanting to be Hokage but only one can be.)

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 17 May 2014 - 03:40 AM.

[Nate River]

In the manga it was stated that Kaguya cast the 'Infinite Tsukuyomi'. 
 
Was it ever shown who broke out of it? I'm wondering why this person is never shown. If, the world Naruto is living now is the real world, there had to be someone who broke out of it right!? Or does it naturally disappear with time?

I am thinking this is where the teamwork stuff might come in. I'm not expecting it to be a one person deal.

[ramenanmitsu]

I am thinking this is where the teamwork stuff might come in. I'm not expecting it to be a one person deal.

So you mean like in the previous time, probably Indra, Ashura, or the Hagoromo brothers worked together to break out of it? I guess that makes sense since it's a really powerful genjutsu, we might need multiple sources to disrupt chakra flow. 

 

Maybe this is the sole reason why Kishi had all of team 7 get together again. 

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 17 May 2014 - 03:44 AM.

[manbeast101]

Maybe, but who knows? It is a possibility.

[rocci]

Infinite tsukoyomi is a combination of the matrix and inception. If kishi really use the same rule in the matrix then there will be a small portion who can reject the illusion just like the matrix. If it turn out to be sakura, then she will stab by madara for real.

[ramenanmitsu]

Infinite tsukoyomi is a combination of the matrix and inception. If kishi really use the same rule in the matrix then there will be a small portion who can reject the illusion just like the matrix. If it turn out to be sakura, then she will stab by madara for real.

Lol, I like how you have this never giving up attitude (in regards to Sakura being stabbed) which would put even Naruto's into shame. It always gives me a good chuckle with how insistent you are. I mean in a good way. 

 

But your prediction already came true, with Sakura getting stabbed for real this chapter. So, why predict the same thing again? 

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 17 May 2014 - 04:07 AM.