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#61 jworks

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 06:57 PM

QUOTE (Aethos @ May 29 2009, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Let me guess. It's because you think Naruto has great writing.

I personally lol whenever people claim that Kishi's bad writing is actually good. I mean it's no wonder Kishi doesn't even try with that kind of response.


i know people can get confused, so let me clarify. this is place for fans.

QUOTE (Kodachi Claws @ May 30 2009, 01:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Several chapters were spent on the BUILD-UP. When it came down to what it would lead to, it was clearly rushed. I feel Pain was not used to his full potential and his change of heart was rather sudden. At least Zabuza and Garaa had flashbacks that, unlike Nagato's, did something for the characters and hinted that they had some good hidden deep inside them.

Also, I'm not a mod, but let's cool it with the Kishi is good writer vs. bad writer thing. Everyone here is entitled to their opinions whatever they may be, but simply state your opinions, why you believe it, and be done with it. If you think Kishi is doing a poor job, no one here is to blame; do you think he takes the time to visit ENGLISH Naruto sites when he must write and draw 17 pages a week? No, whatever he does in the manga, be it good or bad, are his choices alone. So stop blaming other fans.


Again, people are getting confused. I am trying to project that very fact that Kishimoto does not visit any site. Besides, whether english or not, people will be saying similar things. i said it is his choice alone, i never blamed you or any "fan" out there.

QUOTE (Cloud @ May 30 2009, 07:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fine, voice your views. But like Derock said, there are limitations.

If you honestly think the other authors have better writing, why are you still here? We're all fans here, and honesty I'm getting sick of you just tramping on Kishi simply because this story doesn't satisfy you.


why were you ever here? because at one point you must have thought the writing was great. but now you think its crap. A story changes, but a writing ability does not erode with time like you seem to think it has. lets talk about story; writing ability, what fun can we have in that?

I love this fan site, but i feel its being over run with others. The admins here say they don't allow bashing, something i see every other post, of kishomoto and of each other. i just want this to stop.

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 06:58 PM

QUOTE (Smiter @ May 30 2009, 04:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
After reading this chapter, and musing a lot, I feel I actually enjoyed this chapter. smile.gif

I can understand how some feel it was a cop-out, but Naruto has achieved what nobody else has ever done. He defeated the greatest shinobi to ever threaten Konoha, and ended the conflict in a peaceful way. Anyone else would have just killed Pain right away if they were in Naruto's position - and the dead would have stayed dead.

Naruto put peace before revenge. How many people can do that? That has also shown how he and Sasuke are complete opposites.

While the dead have come back to life, Konoha still lies in ruins. Let's not forget that! While everyone is alive, they face a long and hard task to rebuild their homes, their defences, and their livelihoods. It's most likely that Konoha will still be heavily damaged when Team Sasuke shows up.

What Naruto has achieved is something incredible. He learnt the Sage Arts, defeated a seemingly unstoppable monster of a ninja, and brought about a peaceful solution that healed almost all of the pain on both sides - earning ANOTHER ally in the form of Amegakure. Naruto is going to find that his standing in Konoha has risen hugely. Fukusaku is alive so he can learn more Sage Arts (hurrah!), and now he knows who his family are!

I'm going to look forward to the next few chapters. biggrin.gif Hopefully we'll see Konan return in the future as the Kage of Amegakure?


Where my disagreement comes from is that all of that could have been accomplished without the mass resurrection. Naruto still defeats Nagato, ends the conflict peacefully, and put peace before revenge. The contrast between him and Sasuke still exists (Sasuke killed and is strill trying to kill the objects of his hatred). He still gains an ally in Amegakure. All that occurred prior to the resurrection.

Virtually everything you sited is accomplished and represented by Naruto's decision, and not Nagato's subsequent actions. The only thing Nagato's action goes toward is his redemption before his death; something that could have been accomplished without it.

The complaint from people like me is not that Naruto chose not kill Nagato. That's consistent with who Naruto is. In fact, I think the only character Naruto has killed in this entire series (with his own hands anyway) is Kakuzu. The complaint is that despite everything that happened; Nagato's assault, God Realm flattening the village and turning most of it to dust, and stabbing Hinata point blank, the only person who died was Nagato.

Rather the complaint stems from Kishimoto inability to kill and leave dead, the good guys. There was a trend prior to this of him appearing to leave people for dead, only to either save them at the last second or outright revive them. But in this arc, is was rampant. This leaves the question I asked in the spoilers thread: No matter what happens to one of the good guys, why should I ever believe anything of consequence will happen to any of them?

Hinata's was bad because of it's context in which it took place and because it was the 4th time it had happened with the Konoha's rookies.

Nagato's was bad because of its scale and that it was the third time this arc Kishimoto had done something like this. One of the popular defense's of Gaara was that he'd only done the resurrection bit once. I still remember the thread we had about that and that majority opinion was fine so long as this was the only time. Well, that defense was just blown away on a massive scale.

Ino could lose both arms and be gushing out blood and I'll think she'll live. Kiba could be stabbed straight through the heart with Sasuke's Lightning element Kusanagi and I know he'll make it. Madara could even cleave Chouji's head right off and I'd expect Tsunade or Sakura to suddenly discover Kakuzu's art and sew it back on just before he bites it. While this is deliberate hyperbole....the bottom line is, it doesn't matter what he does my default expectation will be they will all live. I won't sit there wondering if they'll survive. I know they will. There's no suspense. And that goes double with Daniee's point earlier with the destined child bit.

IMO, it's a cop-out because Kishimoto can use the pain and emotion that comes from the injury, death, and destruction of the things you love to mess with his characters without having to sacrifice anyone to do it (except for people like Chiyo (a total throwaway) and Nagato (a villain destined to die anyway)). It'd have been one thing if happened once or twice. It's another to keep doing it over and over.....

I hate to make a DMZ reference, but I think it works. The downside to constantly reviving the dead with the Dragon Balls is that it cheapened death to the point we would always know, everything would be okay in the end and no one but the villain would die. It kills the suspense, meaning, and drama that can be derived from it because the audience knows its not permanent.

Kishimoto hasn't been THAT bad (as Asuma and Jiriaya are still dead), but it's the same principle and the more he does this the closer he gets to that point.

The sad things is, I'd have liked this chapter, but for this. I like Nagato's parting conversation with Naruto, but I loath the fact that after all that happened, only Nagato died.

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 07:06 PM

QUOTE (jworks @ May 30 2009, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I love this fan site, but i feel its being over run with others. The admins here say they don't allow bashing, something i see every other post, of kishomoto and of each other. i just want this to stop.

We don't allow it, and this issue was *already* addressed:

http://www.narusaku....s...st&p=225497

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 08:20 PM

Ok Nate, I can feel ya. So how shocking would it be if Naruto himself dies at the end, now that you've been lulled into this 'action without consequence' feeling?

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 09:29 PM

QUOTE (Nee-sama @ May 30 2009, 03:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok Nate, I can feel ya. So how shocking would it be if Naruto himself dies at the end, now that you've been lulled into this 'action without consequence' feeling?


Naruto won't die, Sasuke will be the one that will die I think at least. What is the point of teaching kids that evil wins? He did the best thing that I like about this Manga. He used his words instead of his fist to get thru to the bad guy that what he was doing was wrong. I don't feel that it was rushed like everyone was saying it is. It also doesn't bother me that he can't kill of young characters or part of the main characters casting. I have read books where none of the characters even the bad guys died. (Twilight is the worst novel in the history of self insert characters).

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 31 May 2009 - 12:15 AM.


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Posted 30 May 2009 - 10:14 PM

QUOTE (Nee-sama @ May 30 2009, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok Nate, I can feel ya. So how shocking would it be if Naruto himself dies at the end, now that you've been lulled into this 'action without consequence' feeling?

I hope not, I mean Kishi kills Naruto but can't off Chouji's father? cmon man, that's lame.

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 10:19 PM

QUOTE (jworks @ May 30 2009, 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Again, people are getting confused. I am trying to project that very fact that Kishimoto does not visit any site. Besides, whether english or not, people will be saying similar things. i said it is his choice alone, i never blamed you or any "fan" out there.

I wasn't referring to you when I said that. The comment where I believe Atheos said "With a response like that, how can Kishi hope to improve?" was what I was referring to. So please, stop assuming every time I quote you the next paragraph has something to do with you. I'm sorry if you felt it was a personal attack, it was not and it most certainly wasn't directed at you specifically.

Surprisingly, Nate's opinion on this is the closest to mine. It's good that Naruto put his personal feelings aside and chose peace; in fact, that's what makes Naruto Naruto. My problem comes from the fact that everyone who may have been killed in the blast is brought back when the same ends of peace and gaining an ally could have been accomplished without it. In fact, having a good portion of Konoha's military dead could have left the manga open to a good story arc where Naruto and his friends have to deal with the losses and do their best to keep the peace, despite the feelings of those who most likely won't agree with them. It also killed the suspense I felt from 429.

And if Kishi was going to revive everyone, what need was there for Hinata to survive, even if only for a few minutes if left untreated, a stabbing wound that should have killed her instantly? Dammit Pain, she WAS RIGHT THERE.

To be fair, people coming back from the dead is not unheard of in Shonen series like these, and at best only good guys who are separate from the main cast die. For the latter, the only characters that come to my mind are Kikyo, Asuma and Jiraya . So, in a sense, Naruto isn't violating any shonen rules. But so long as the rookie nine, which the target audience cares for, lives, there should be no need to bring back the off-screen casualties. I personally don't think Kishimoto has to, and in fact I think he should not, kill the rookie 9. However, he has to avoid putting them in situations where they by all means should die (which is not how I view the fights in the last arc from part 1) and find other ways to keep us excited.

Edited by Kodachi Claws, 30 May 2009 - 10:53 PM.


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Posted 30 May 2009 - 11:18 PM

QUOTE (RyrineaHaruno @ May 30 2009, 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruto won't die, Sasuke will be the one that will die I think at least. What is the point of teaching kids that evil wins? I mean Naruto is the hero. He did the best thing that I like about this Manga. He used his words instead of his fist to get threw to the bad guy that what he was doing was wrong. I don't feel that it was rushed like everyone was saying it is. It also doesn't bother me that he can't kill of young character's or part of the main characters casting. I read badder books where none of the characters even the bad guys were saved(twilight the worst novel in the history of self insert characters).


Of course Naruto won't die arg.gif How can he live happily ever after and make babies with Sakura if he's dead?

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 11:51 PM

QUOTE (RyrineaHaruno @ May 30 2009, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruto won't die, Sasuke will be the one that will die I think at least. What is the point of teaching kids that evil wins? I mean Naruto is the hero. He did the best thing that I like about this Manga. He used his words instead of his fist to get threw to the bad guy that what he was doing was wrong. I don't feel that it was rushed like everyone was saying it is. It also doesn't bother me that he can't kill of young character's or part of the main characters casting. I read badder books where none of the characters even the bad guys were saved(twilight the worst novel in the history of self insert characters).

I agree with most of your post, but could you take the time and effort to make the grammer and spelling decent? It can get very difficult to read your posts sometimes, what with the elementary grammer, poor spelling, and usage of nonexistent words such as "badder". It would make things a lot easier for everyone.

Back on topic. Like a lot of others have said, I do feel it was rushed, but it needed to be done and i'm happy it was. The arc has overstayed it's welcome, what with the uber long speeches and a just as long fight scene. It was nice for Nagato to go out as a good guy and making up for the deaths he caused. Sure, it could have been a bit longer and had a little more detail, but i'd much rather see Naruto fill the blanks for his friends and rebuild Konoha than sit through more Nagato ranting. Overall, I feel Kishimoto did a great job.

Also, i'm VERY happy everyone was brought back to life. Kakashi was one of my favorite characters in the story and i'm glad he's not gone. The series could do without Shizune, but someone has to keep Tsunade away from the sake and provide comical relief with random KYAAAAAAAAAA's when something absurd happens, and no one is better at it than Shizune, so i'm okay with her surviving. Also, with Fukasaku alive again, maybe Naruto can get more Sage training and take Jiraiya's place as Toad Sage, which would be Naruto's next big step to being Hokage.

One thing I am disappointed about was Sakura's small panel of screen time. Her random "What the hell is going on?!?!?!" wasn't really necessary and they could have done a lot more with that then her just thinking about Fukasaku coming back to life.

Other than that small detail, I was very satisfied with this chapture and I can't what to see what happens next chapter.

Edited by zman170, 30 May 2009 - 11:55 PM.


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Posted 31 May 2009 - 12:09 AM

QUOTE (zman170 @ May 30 2009, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree with most of your post, but could you take the time and effort to make the grammer and spelling decent? It can get very difficult to read your posts sometimes, what with the elementary grammer, poor spelling, and usage of nonexistent words such as "badder". It would make things a lot easier for everyone.



I have a learning disability and I'll do my best.

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Posted 31 May 2009 - 12:13 AM

QUOTE (RyrineaHaruno @ May 30 2009, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have a learning disability and I'll do my best.

Well then on that note, I am very sorry. If I insulted you, I am sorry. I didn't know, but now I do and I am terribly sorry.

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Posted 31 May 2009 - 12:21 AM

QUOTE (zman170 @ May 30 2009, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well then on that note, I am very sorry. If I insulted you, I am sorry. I didn't know, but now I do and I am terribly sorry.


I need to do better on my grammar anyway. So therefore, you didn't insult me. That is what criticism is for so don't worry about it. Please, tell me when my grammar is getting bad I need all the help I can get.


QUOTE (DownsEndRoad @ May 30 2009, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Of course Naruto won't die arg.gif How can he live happily ever after and make babies with Sakura if he's dead?


:rofl:

Edited by RyrineaHaruno, 31 May 2009 - 12:25 AM.


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Posted 31 May 2009 - 03:13 AM

QUOTE (RyrineaHaruno @ May 30 2009, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruto won't die, Sasuke will be the one that will die I think at least. What is the point of teaching kids that evil wins? He did the best thing that I like about this Manga. He used his words instead of his fist to get thru to the bad guy that what he was doing was wrong. I don't feel that it was rushed like everyone was saying it is. It also doesn't bother me that he can't kill of young characters or part of the main characters casting. I have read books where none of the characters even the bad guys died. (Twilight is the worst novel in the history of self insert characters).

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Posted 31 May 2009 - 03:41 AM

I just can't wait for the next arc to take place. Naruto needs to rebuild, Hinata's confession needs to be dealt with, the team from Rock need to arrive, and Sasuke is on his way. The next few arcs are gonna be very interesting, and i just can't wait to see what Kishimoto is planning.

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Posted 31 May 2009 - 07:48 AM

Read only if you want to know whats coming ahead.
Kishi Interview Questions Reveals the majority of the manga till the end of 2009. --Click here to view--
What to Expect in NARUTO in 2009
———————— Start of Kishi Interview Spoilers ———————-

1. Akatsuki Leader’s(not confirmed if its Pein / Madara) strength can’t be matched even with 3 Sannins of the leaf. {It was Pain)

2. There is another character in Akatsuki, and unexpected member will bring a chaos
–> Is he talking about Madara? Or Sasuke as he is now a member of Akatsuki.

3. One of the Akatsuki’s member becomes friend/ally with Naruto.{It was Konan)

4. Naruto’s seal will be released by the end of 08, or beginning of the 09. At least 4 tails will be released, be prepared it could be a shocking scene.
–> (4 tails have been released. Seen that….no big deal.)

5. Toad dies(he laughs) {It was Jiraiya}

6. Three (3) of Naruto’s important people will die or get seriously injured
(Jiraiya is dead, maybe Tsunade might die. the third person will be a complete mystery.)

7. Sasuke’s skills cannot be matched against Naruto’s new skills.

9Maybe sage mode plus Kyuubi combined will yield surprising effects)

8. Sasuke v. Itachi is great scale (done), and later Naruto’s information about family (he knows his father) and bloodline will show up
–> Done for Sasuke vs Itachi. But Naruto’s family is slowly being revealed while his bloodline (he has a bloodline limit?) has not yet been covered.

9. Sai, he will cause something huge(laughs)
–> Not sure what this is

10. 4th’s secret and bloodline will be shown
–> Not yet but I suppose once this happens, Naruto will most likely follow suit with his bloodline limit as well. As this moment we are still not sure what is the ability unless Kishi is talking about the teleportation.

11. 2 huge characters of Konoha will die.
–> Jiraiya and either Kakashi or Tsunade. At least we know both of them won’t die but I’d rather see Tsunade dead than Kakashi.

12. There is a female member in Akatsuki
–> Konan

13. Akatsuki will invade Konoha with its mysterious beasts, and Shiranui Genma will provide great help to Konoha
–> Not sure what this is yet but it’s surprising to see Genma (Done, Naruto defeated Pain with Chief Toads help)

Kishi @ 2008 Jump Festa

1. Uchiha’s secret will be revealed and 2 of the remaining will die
–> Uchiha’s secret of MS and etc revealed by Itachi, and Itachi is dead.

2. Akatsuki’s leader kills 6 people (Does this mean Pein is the confirmed leader?)
–> Bodycount is still increasing although we have Jiraiya down. Big catch for Pein.

3. Sasuke and Itachi’s fight will cause chaos; Uchiha, Uchiha Madara’s secrets are revealed and all the skills of the MS will be revealed. The fight will end with death of one.
–> MS : Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, and finally Susano’o

4. Naruto will collide with Pain; Kakashi’s team will collide with Tobi. There will be big turnaround on Tobi v. Kakashi’s team. Naruto v. Pain will be fights of the “beasts”. Be prepared, during this fight there will be deaths from Naruto’s team. –> Meaning Kakashi will not die. So most likely Tsunade?

5. Three new members will join the Akatsuki. They will be stronger than Deidara, Hidan, and Kakuzu. One of them is the brother/sister of the Hokage
–> So assuming Tsunade dies and Danzou were to try and organize a coup to takeover Konoha as Hokage, he fails and flees. Then Danzou joins Akatsuki and revealed as the brother/uncle to Tsunade. Sounds believable? I believe so. Danzou the brother/uncle to Tsunade.

6. Naruto’s new skills and the result of the training will reveal when he fight against Pain. (done)He have learned all of the Jiraiya’s jutsu during the 3 years of the time and he became much stronger. He did not learn the “toad mode or w.e u call it”. Naruto also learned 3 of the 4th’s jutsus.
–> So Naruto will eventually master all of Jiraiya’s techniques but hasn’t been shown yet. He has mastered Rasenshuriken which essentially surpasses the 4th’s rasengan. The other 2 techniques could be teleportation or something to do with Minato’s bloodline limit since Naruto is his son.

7. After all these fights, there will be a great war
–> We shall see

8. There will be death on Tobi v. Naruto team and one of them becomes unable to fight.
–> I wonder who……

9. Jinchuuriki of the 8 tailed will be revealed. This Jinchuuriki kills one of the Akatsuki’s members and invades Konoha by him/herself. During this fight one dies, and one will lose his/her eyesight
–> Killerbee goes to konoha to fight sasuke their.

—————————— end of interviews
An older external link is also provided for better viewing. Kishi's interview Questions (older answers though)

But knowing how unpredictable Kishi is, he could just throw the interview questions away and decide to throw a big monkey wrench at us. 111189.gif
I would really enjoy a part 3 time skip, were Naruto and co. are adults, while Naruto is the 6th Hokage and getting married to Sakura. narusakuct7.gif wub.gif

Edited by 6thHokage, 31 May 2009 - 06:24 PM.


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Posted 31 May 2009 - 10:34 AM

QUOTE (Nate River @ May 30 2009, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Where my disagreement comes from is that all of that could have been accomplished without the mass resurrection. Naruto still defeats Nagato, ends the conflict peacefully, and put peace before revenge. The contrast between him and Sasuke still exists (Sasuke killed and is strill trying to kill the objects of his hatred). He still gains an ally in Amegakure. All that occurred prior to the resurrection.

Virtually everything you sited is accomplished and represented by Naruto's decision, and not Nagato's subsequent actions. The only thing Nagato's action goes toward is his redemption before his death; something that could have been accomplished without it.

The complaint from people like me is not that Naruto chose not kill Nagato. That's consistent with who Naruto is. In fact, I think the only character Naruto has killed in this entire series (with his own hands anyway) is Kakuzu. The complaint is that despite everything that happened; Nagato's assault, God Realm flattening the village and turning most of it to dust, and stabbing Hinata point blank, the only person who died was Nagato.

Rather the complaint stems from Kishimoto inability to kill and leave dead, the good guys. There was a trend prior to this of him appearing to leave people for dead, only to either save them at the last second or outright revive them. But in this arc, is was rampant. This leaves the question I asked in the spoilers thread: No matter what happens to one of the good guys, why should I ever believe anything of consequence will happen to any of them?



QUOTE (Kodachi Claws @ May 30 2009, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wasn't referring to you when I said that. The comment where I believe Atheos said "With a response like that, how can Kishi hope to improve?" was what I was referring to. So please, stop assuming every time I quote you the next paragraph has something to do with you. I'm sorry if you felt it was a personal attack, it was not and it most certainly wasn't directed at you specifically.

Surprisingly, Nate's opinion on this is the closest to mine. It's good that Naruto put his personal feelings aside and chose peace; in fact, that's what makes Naruto Naruto. My problem comes from the fact that everyone who may have been killed in the blast is brought back when the same ends of peace and gaining an ally could have been accomplished without it. In fact, having a good portion of Konoha's military dead could have left the manga open to a good story arc where Naruto and his friends have to deal with the losses and do their best to keep the peace, despite the feelings of those who most likely won't agree with them. It also killed the suspense I felt from 429.

And if Kishi was going to revive everyone, what need was there for Hinata to survive, even if only for a few minutes if left untreated, a stabbing wound that should have killed her instantly? Dammit Pain, she WAS RIGHT THERE.

To be fair, people coming back from the dead is not unheard of in Shonen series like these, and at best only good guys who are separate from the main cast die. For the latter, the only characters that come to my mind are Kikyo, Asuma and Jiraya . So, in a sense, Naruto isn't violating any shonen rules. But so long as the rookie nine, which the target audience cares for, lives, there should be no need to bring back the off-screen casualties. I personally don't think Kishimoto has to, and in fact I think he should not, kill the rookie 9. However, he has to avoid putting them in situations where they by all means should die (which is not how I view the fights in the last arc from part 1) and find other ways to keep us excited.


OK, I can understand your points. happy.gif However, let's say that the dead stayed dead. That would have been a lot of pain to a lot of other people, not just Naruto. How could Naruto ask the other ninja and villagers to put aside their grief and pain? We know Naruto did that (and it took him a LOT of willpower), but not everyone is like Naruto. Danzou would happily go on the warpath and manipulate the villagers into supporting revenge - war - against Amegakure.

Naruto and Pain's joint decision not only brought peace between Konoha and Amegakure, it's also elevated Naruto's standing. Because of the sheer miracle Naruto pulled off, people are more likely to pay attention to him and follow him. Because of Pain's decision, Naruto can finally break the cycle of pain and death.

It's more than just the Rookie Nine living in Konoha. It would be no good if Naruto had the support of the Rookies, but the villagers and other ninja despised him for sparing Pain.

And, as I had said in my earlier post, Konoha hasn't exactly got off scot-free. There's still a freaking HUGE crater in the middle of the village! Their defences are shot to hell. They're very vulnerable to attack. They still need to rebuild, and it's most likely going to take them a long time. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Kishimoto decided to have a time skip after the upcoming Sasuke confrontation.

Still, I will say it's a good point about Hinata! She was right in front of Pain, yet she escaped with her life.

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Posted 31 May 2009 - 10:51 AM

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Kishi Interview Questions Reveals the majority of the manga till the end of 2009. --Click here to view--
What to Expect in NARUTO in 2009
———————— Start of Kishi Interview Spoilers ———————-

1. Akatsuki Leader’s(not confirmed if its Pein / Madara) strength can’t be matched even with 3 Sannins of the leaf. {It was Pain)

2. There is another character in Akatsuki, and unexpected member will bring a chaos
–> Is he talking about Madara? Or Sasuke as he is now a member of Akatsuki.

3. One of the Akatsuki’s member becomes friend/ally with Naruto.{It was Konan)

4. Naruto’s seal will be released by the end of 08, or beginning of the 09. At least 4 tails will be released, be prepared it could be a shocking scene.
–> (4 tails have been released. Seen that….no big deal.)

5. Toad dies(he laughs) {It was Jiraiya}

6. Three (3) of Naruto’s important people will die or get seriously injured
(Jiraiya is dead, maybe Tsunade might die. the third person will be a complete mystery.)

7. Sasuke’s skills cannot be matched against Naruto’s new skills.

9Maybe sage mode plus Kyuubi combined will yield surprising effects)

8. Sasuke v. Itachi is great scale (done), and later Naruto’s information about family (he knows his father) and bloodline will show up
–> Done for Sasuke vs Itachi. But Naruto’s family is slowly being revealed while his bloodline (he has a bloodline limit?) has not yet been covered.

9. Sai, he will cause something huge(laughs)
–> Not sure what this is

10. 4th’s secret and bloodline will be shown
–> Not yet but I suppose once this happens, Naruto will most likely follow suit with his bloodline limit as well. As this moment we are still not sure what is the ability unless Kishi is talking about the teleportation.

11. 2 huge characters of Konoha will die.
–> Jiraiya and either Kakashi or Tsunade. At least we know both of them won’t die but I’d rather see Tsunade dead than Kakashi.

12. There is a female member in Akatsuki
–> Konan

13. Akatsuki will invade Konoha with its mysterious beasts, and Shiranui Genma will provide great help to Konoha
–> Not sure what this is yet but it’s surprising to see Genma (Done, Naruto defeated Pain with Chief Toads help)

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1. Uchiha’s secret will be revealed and 2 of the remaining will die
–> Uchiha’s secret of MS and etc revealed by Itachi, and Itachi is dead.

2. Akatsuki’s leader kills 6 people (Does this mean Pein is the confirmed leader?)
–> Bodycount is still increasing although we have Jiraiya down. Big catch for Pein.

3. Sasuke and Itachi’s fight will cause chaos; Uchiha, Uchiha Madara’s secrets are revealed and all the skills of the MS will be revealed. The fight will end with death of one.
–> MS : Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, and finally Susano’o

4. Naruto will collide with Pain; Kakashi’s team will collide with Tobi. There will be big turnaround on Tobi v. Kakashi’s team. Naruto v. Pain will be fights of the “beasts”. Be prepared, during this fight there will be deaths from Naruto’s team. –> Meaning Kakashi will not die. So most likely Tsunade?

5. Three new members will join the Akatsuki. They will be stronger than Deidara, Hidan, and Kakuzu. One of them is the brother/sister of the Hokage
–> So assuming Tsunade dies and Danzou were to try and organize a coup to takeover Konoha as Hokage, he fails and flees. Then Danzou joins Akatsuki and revealed as the brother/uncle to Tsunade. Sounds believable? I believe so. Danzou the brother/uncle to Tsunade.

6. Naruto’s new skills and the result of the training will reveal when he fight against Pain. (done)He have learned all of the Jiraiya’s jutsu during the 3 years of the time and he became much stronger. He did not learn the “toad mode or w.e u call it”. Naruto also learned 3 of the 4th’s jutsus.
–> So Naruto will eventually master all of Jiraiya’s techniques but hasn’t been shown yet. He has mastered Rasenshuriken which essentially surpasses the 4th’s rasengan. The other 2 techniques could be teleportation or something to do with Minato’s bloodline limit since Naruto is his son.

7. After all these fights, there will be a great war
–> We shall see

8. There will be death on Tobi v. Naruto team and one of them becomes unable to fight.
–> I wonder who……

9. Jinchuuriki of the 8 tailed will be revealed. This Jinchuuriki kills one of the Akatsuki’s members and invades Konoha by him/herself. During this fight one dies, and one will lose his/her eyesight
–> Killerbee goes to konoha to fight sasuke their.

—————————— end of interviews


An older external link is also provided for better viewing. Kishi's interview Questions (older answers though)


I really can't wait! I'm so excited, my heart is beating so fast. I wonder what will be next? Kishimoto is one cool, somehow twisted author, who loves putting twists & surprises all over the place. biggrin.gif w00t.gif

Sorry for the different font sizes. I just wanted to try it out. My inner kid overtook me. sweatdrop.gif wow.png

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But knowing how unpredictable Kishi is, he could just throw the interview questions away and decide to throw a big monkey wrench at us. 111189.gif


Ouch. arg.gif

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I would really enjoy a part 3 time skip, were Naruto and co. are adults, while Naruto is the 6th Hokage and getting married to Sakura. narusakuct7.gif wub.gif


Same here. I think that would be such an awesome finale for the show. a_dance.gif biggrin.gif

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Posted 31 May 2009 - 10:42 PM

QUOTE (Mik3 @ May 30 2009, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
wub.gif ur entire post



To clarify my post, I liked this chapter. It is because he used his words instead of his fist for a change. I don’t care if everybody was brought back to life. Besides, I have read a book were none of the characters died include the bad guys. The book I read was called Twilight by Mrs. Stephenie Meyer, it was the worst book I have read in years. Not one of the Main cast ever died in the book only the unnamed cast away characters died.

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My other main problem with this chapter is that I feel as though Pain was not used to his full potential. I thought it was awesome that the villain had 6 bodies with unique abilities, making him an absolutely brilliant Anti-Naruto. However, when Konohamaru actually managed to nail one, I saw problems coming along. Naruto vs. Pain was fun, but it didn't feel as epic as I'd have liked it to be. Naruto took out most of the bodies quick; the only ones that really helped God Realm were Hungry Ghost and Naraku realm. And even so they didn't last long. And with God realm having that power, it made me wonder why he even bothered with those other five? That wooden lizard thing Nagato summoned in the flashback was 10 times cooler than any jutsu Pain performed in the present. While Pain clearly had devastating techniques, I feel they were not utilized properly to give me the sense of unstoppable evil that I felt I should have experienced.

And I really don't think Kishimoto thought through Nagato's change of heart very well. Even in this short time-span, I could have bought it if Nagato was shown to be unsure of what he was doing or expressed regret from the beginning. Or heck, even after finding Naruto holding Jiraya's book and breaking down crying....it just would have been more convincing to me that he could turn a new leaf just like that.

As for the scenario Smiter pointed out, I would have liked to see that because that's life. When there's war, even if those two countries find peace, there is still resentment from both sides. If Naruto could somehow overcome that, it would have given him a more human instead of God-like quality to me. I would have considered that even more amazing then what we got.

I know I'm giving this chapter a lot of criticism, but there were still enough high-points to help me enjoy the arc overall. However, I think after reading this, I realize, that if you're going to set up a prophecy plot where two characters must fight to determine who's the chosen one, save the battle until the end. It just makes it feel even more epic.

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Posted 01 June 2009 - 10:58 AM

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My other main problem with this chapter is that I feel as though Pain was not used to his full potential. I thought it was awesome that the villain had 6 bodies with unique abilities, making him an absolutely brilliant Anti-Naruto. However, when Konohamaru actually managed to nail one, I saw problems coming along. Naruto vs. Pain was fun, but it didn't feel as epic as I'd have liked it to be. Naruto took out most of the bodies quick; the only ones that really helped God Realm were Hungry Ghost and Naraku realm. And even so they didn't last long. And with God realm having that power, it made me wonder why he even bothered with those other five? That wooden lizard thing Nagato summoned in the flashback was 10 times cooler than any jutsu Pain performed in the present. While Pain clearly had devastating techniques, I feel they were not utilized properly to give me the sense of unstoppable evil that I felt I should have experienced.

And I really don't think Kishimoto thought through Nagato's change of heart very well. Even in this short time-span, I could have bought it if Nagato was shown to be unsure of what he was doing or expressed regret from the beginning. Or heck, even after finding Naruto holding Jiraya's book and breaking down crying....it just would have been more convincing to me that he could turn a new leaf just like that.

As for the scenario Smiter pointed out, I would have liked to see that because that's life. When there's war, even if those two countries find peace, there is still resentment from both sides. If Naruto could somehow overcome that, it would have given him a more human instead of God-like quality to me. I would have considered that even more amazing then what we got.

I know I'm giving this chapter a lot of criticism, but there were still enough high-points to help me enjoy the arc overall. However, I think after reading this, I realize, that if you're going to set up a prophecy plot where two characters must fight to determine who's the chosen one, save the battle until the end. It just makes it feel even more epic.


I totally agree what your saying, especially when Hinata survived a direct stab from pain (The guy that's suppose to have the reputation of killing anyone who stands in his way, leader of Akatsuki, and worshiped as a god at Amegakure.) To show his great skill he had black chakra rods stabbed all over Naruto's body barely missing all major vital organs and telling Naruto so, but somehow his aim got bad with Hinata. sleep.gif

Edited by 6thHokage, 01 June 2009 - 11:05 AM.





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