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#61 narutokage

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 11:38 PM

QUOTE (Sakura Blossoms @ Nov 18 2007, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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You spoke absolutely everything that I also feel about the pairing of SasuSaku...and you did so well...you win at life ;_;


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QUOTE (Hopestar @ Nov 18 2007, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Let's just face the facts that SS has a slight chance of happening. Sasuke never made any attempts towards Sakura (he knew of her feelings of him at the time) despite reviving his clan was one of his other goals. FOR HIM TO DO THAT HE NEEDS A GIRL!!!!!!!

Although Sasuke did soften up to his team, it wasnt until Itachi return to remind him of his 'purpose' therefore failing to defeat Itachi and watching Naruto's growth over his own, he felt desperate for power. So much that runs to Orochimaru and nearly kills his former comrades (twice in Naruto's case). Even after defeating Oromichmaru, he didnt make any attempt to return to Konoha instead design his own team and sought for Itachi's blood.

The outcome of this that if Sasuke succeeds in killing Itachi, there'll be void of emptiness because he practically ruin his life for the sake of one man.

Sakura was young and most kids age 12 are very naive and dont what they want in life. Sakura didnt really have her reality until the chunin exams where she discover how weak she is, how dark Sasuke really is, and slowly starts acknowleding Naruto. That night of Sasuke's departure, Sakura tried to reason with him just to remain and Sasuke yet again rejects her love and calls her annoying then knocks her out cold after saying thank you and took off. Naruto made lifetime promise to her but return burially injuried. Sakura was actually willing to give up on him, it was Naruto who CONVINCE her otherwise. Not wanting him to go alone again she decides to join him.

Notice how in part 2, Sakura never discuss her feelings of Sasuke it was about the brother bond The Uchiha & Uzumaki share. There's a chance that her feelings for Sasuke has much lessen over the years. However when they encounter Sasuke again, the only reason we didnt get to see a Sasuke vs. Sakura because Yamato had gotten the way, had he not then there'll be much more we can discuss as where the two are in this point of time (especially Sakura).

The outcome when Sakura & Naruto fights Sasuke, the two may've to accept Sasuke's path and move on because they cannot force the guy to return. Even if he does nothing will ever be the same again (I think they even know that) also what makes them think that Sasuke wont betray them again.


I don't think anybody denies the fact that SasuSaku might happen. After all, nothing is written in stone and you never know what the mangaka has in mind in terms of story and other things. But the way I see it, there are a few things in SasuSaku pairing that says that it might hamper the growth of that pairing.

One of the first things was the point you made that Sasuke never let Sakura know his feelings and he needs a girl to revive his clan. But see that is my point, I understand that Sasuke had the ambition to kill Itachi and that was his foremost goal...still is. So, he didn't get overtly friendly with Sakura and kept his distance. At this point only Sakura was interested in Sasuke and people just added 2 and 2 and said that even though Sasuke might not have said anything except a Thank you to Sakura he might have feelings for her and thus left her.

This requires an assumption that Sakura for her part would forever wait for Sasuke until he kills his brother. They don't know how long that will take but for SasuSaku to happen it would require Sakura to wait for Sasuke, after which he can confess his feelings to her.

But this is what I like about the manga that the characters evolve as they grow and we have seen such growth in both Naruto and Sakura.

Haven't you noticed that even though Naruto wanted Sakura's attention, he failed at his intentional attempts but whenever they were fighting or in situations where he shines thats when Sakura notices him? It starts with Zabuza arc, then chunnin exam arc, which includes forest of death, elimination matches and finals with neji. All those times Naruto wasn't focusing on grabbing attention but Sakura's gets drawn towards his attitude and determination. She clearly states that he inspire's her. Then after the Gaara's fight when Sasuke tells her that it was Naruto who saved her, that genuine smile is nothing more but a simple smile. Does she give it to his face? Nope, he was busy trying to do chidori laugh.gif

And in part 2 they mesh together so well, they worked efficiently and actually used teamwork and guess what this time Sakura impresses Naruto. See the roles are never totally reversed, its just change and growth that both characters go through and they don't ever overshadow the other. That is something I don't see in SasuSaku.

See regardless of whether Sasuke was there or not, Sakura was discovering new things about Naruto as time went on and it showed her how wrong she was about Naruto. This is what I lack to see with Sasuke. He is just there and Sakura had a crush on him from the beginning. Even when she confessed she didn't understand his reasoning properly and that is why I think it never turned into love.


As per part 2 there are a few things which I don't understand at the moment. People say that we never found out whether Sasuke would have tried to actually kill Sakura if Yamato hadn't interfered and I can't disagree with the fact but I know one thing for sure that Sakura most likely wanted to disable Sasuke so that he won't raise his sword. My point is there is a reason why Yamato came in between and it might be more than because he thought that Sasuke was dangerous and would hurt Sakura. I think it might have to deal with the fact that he knew that Sakura had or still has feelings for Sasuke. I say this based on the fact that Yamato was chosen by Godaime Hokage herself and I am pretty sure she won't send one of the ANBU without proper intel. They are military and I am pretty sure Yamato would know everything relevant to the case and it was no secret that Sakura had a huge crush on Sasuke. I think Tsunade would have told Yamato to make sure that Sakura doesn't take any rash decisions. I have no proof regarding this. Just saying based on common sense that Tsunade wouldn't send Yamato without all the information available regarding the case.

What I am trying to say is that Sasuke Sakura interaction might not have happened regardless of Yamato stepping in. (this is a little bit off topic rant so you are more than welcome to ignore).


QUOTE (Wilson @ Nov 30 2007, 07:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
See the sad thing is, if Naruto dies, only a few people might actually care. Others could possibly just celebrate. And really, Sasuke isn't really too evil. All he did was kill some Rock nins, who in fact, are enemies of Konoha, so no matter. Besides, he didn't attack any Konoha nins yet, with teh sole purpose of killing Itachi, who is a missing-nin of KONOHA.

So if you see it this way, it'll seem as though he's a GD guy. And taht's the way I expect Danzo and the others to explain it just so tehy get to breed the Sharingan.

SasuSaku has a slim chance. But i won't say it's becoz of bloodline breeding crap. If u put it that way, SasuHina has the same amount of chance. I base it on their old encounters, like i said, just that one significant one, that night.

Hopefully, it means nothing. BUT, SasuSaku can still happen, and saying Sasuke is evil ain't gonna cut it.


I hardly doubt Sasuke was ever going to be evil because Kishi-sensei has gone out of his way to show that he has no bad intentions just one goal and that is to kill Itachi.

I think Naruto and Sakura would have save Sasuke from Madara's plan and that is where the big climax will happen but I highly doubt that he will turn bad or anything.

What I am waiting to see is some kind of compensation for going to Orochimaru and using the curse seal because right now there doesn't seem to be any side effects. In fact it seems that Sasuke's decision to leave Konoha was right since he seems to have achieved a greater power along with Orochimaru's regeneration ability. This in turn goes againsts Kakashi's quote or should I say the moral of the story.

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Posted 06 March 2008 - 10:57 PM

hate it sasuke treats sakura from beginning to end from part 1 after part 1 sakura doesnt even love sasuke anymore sasuke tried to kill her when sakura tried to bring him back remember?

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Posted 07 March 2008 - 11:20 PM

QUOTE (MelisaArtemis @ May 23 2007, 04:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now, I've realized that most of the opposing pairing thread on this board are Naruhina. it makes me wonder, why noone made a topic on Sasusaku? considering its also one of the biggest rival for Narusaku.

That aside, I don't really like Sasusaku but for some reason I can tolerate it better than Naruhina although not by much, mind you. what do you guys think?


anyway why the heck is this thread even in this forum? its upposed to b about narusaku no other pairings

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Posted 21 May 2008 - 01:25 AM

I strongly hate Naruto being with Hinata or any othr girl thts not sakura. I hate NaruHina being the fact im in luv with NaruSaku and I like KibaHina very much. SasuSaku I can stand more than naruhina but I strongly dislike tht pairing too.

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Posted 21 May 2008 - 12:42 PM

QUOTE (wakatebayo @ Mar 8 2008, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
anyway why the heck is this thread even in this forum? its upposed to b about narusaku no other pairings


This thread was at Naruto General Section where people can argue or debate about practically anything, besides there is nothing wrong about wanting to know what other people think about another pairing. I know some people here that support another Naru/someone else or Sakura/someone else. We simply compare one with the other. Just because this is a Narusaku forum doesn't mean there are no other pairing fans, hope it makes sense. happy.gif


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Posted 21 May 2008 - 02:12 PM

What irkes me, no, pisses me off that some people support Sasusaku just because of the claim that Sauske needs a girl to revive his clan...

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Posted 21 May 2008 - 03:47 PM

I think the part that gets me most is that so many SasuSaku fans point to the near kiss when they first met and say ""See thats proof"".

The truth is though that SasuSaku most likely wont occur at all except as a minor background element at best. I think that it well be the focus for Sakura to confront Sasuke about her feelings for him and when it is revealed that he never almost kissed her. That well be the moment when she realizes where her true feleings should have lied all along.

Part of the SasuSaku myth is that Sakura is in love with sasuke. But the truth and what people fail to realize si that she is in love with an illusion. She ahd a crush on sasuke. But becasue of Narutos little henge at the bench. Sakuras crush morphed into love.

but its still a false love for a not real person. the sasuke she thinks shes trying to save ""The caring sasuke that acknowledged her and complimented her forehead"" is actually naruto.

Sasuke wouldnt have complimented her forehead then or now, and quite frankly has stated very clearly in the manga what he thinks of Sakura. He thinks shes weak, annoying, and useless. Hes made her cry on more then one occasion, and never acknowledged her as an individual save once. during the chunin exams when he complimented her genjutsu skills, and that only because he thought she might quit and cost him his chance at the test.


I trully dont see SasuSaku happening without Naruto Dying and I dont see Naruto Dying untill the very last episode if at all.
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Posted 22 May 2008 - 12:55 AM

QUOTE (catsi563 @ May 21 2008, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the part that gets me most is that so many SasuSaku fans point to the near kiss when they first met and say ""See thats proof"".


The biggest flaw with that argument is the fact that even if they kissed, Sakura wouldn't have been kissing Sasuke at all but Naruto. Sure Sakura didn't know that Naruto was henged as Sasuke, but the actions and dialog were all Naruto's. Naruto was the one to compliment on Sakura's forehead like she had dreamed. If that were the real Sasuke, the interaction during that scene probably wouldn't have lead up to Sakura being able to try and kiss Naruto henged as Sasuke.

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What irkes me, no, pisses me off that some people support Sasusaku just because of the claim that Sauske needs a girl to revive his clan...


Easy resolution. There's always Shion (from the Naruto Shippuden movie). Naruto said that he'd help her out, but didn't say how. Sasuke's goal is to revive the clan and Shion needs some priestess heirs. Why not kill two birds with one stone and have the two get hitched and be done with it. :thumbs:
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Posted 22 May 2008 - 02:37 AM

QUOTE (AchikaMiyu @ May 21 2008, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Easy resolution. There's always Shion (from the Naruto Shippuden movie). Naruto said that he'd help her out, but didn't say how. Sasuke's goal is to revive the clan and Shion needs some priestess heirs. Why not kill two birds with one stone and have the two get hitched and be done with it. :thumbs:


But the main issue about that is that Shion is not part of the canonical storyline. If she was, then we will have no trouble of supporting SasuShion as a pairing tongue.gif

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 12:14 PM

The worst thing about SasuSaku is the "Sasuke reviving his clan?! Watch out Sakoora!"

Or the "Sakura would be a total whore if she's over Sasuke and moves on to Naruto!"




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Posted 25 June 2008 - 10:53 PM

Now there's a pairing there,

But still, futile.

It's like all the other users here say in this thread, if Sakura took back Sasuke, it will mean the end of her newly found confidence. it's like Whitney Houston trying to take back Bobby Brown, and you know what Bobby Brown did to Whitney? Broke her down, ruin her career, and her confidence. Sasuke broke down Sakura's confidence, and pretty much broke her down. It just ain't going to happen, and let Naruto and Sakura finally get together and end the doubt! NARUSAKU FTW!!!

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Posted 26 June 2008 - 12:15 AM

SasuSaku was the pairing I shipped as I started to get into my NaruSakuness. I still like it, as a crack pairing though. I don't see it being canon, and I don't want it canon either. If it was the choice between SasuSaku or NaruHina, I would take SasuSaku in a heart beat. At least it had some possibility, and before you stone me think about it. Part 1 wise they had their romantic moments, that could hardly be brushed off as friendship as I can for the NaruHina parts. The 'change back' hug, the way he seemingly went crazy at the thought that she was hurt, the fact that he acknowledged her as a precious person, and what some people believe to be the most dramaticly romantic part of Naruto, the goodbye scene.

As it stands it always had the possibility for more, if Sasuke had chosen to aknowledge her as a love interest. Maybe if things had been better for him he might have, because as I firmly believe Sakura was his most likely lover in the storyline. Even now with Karin I still think that.

The problem I have with arguments against SasuSaku is this whole abusive thing. Sasuke wouldn't abuse Sakura on a daily basis, and I doubt he'd use her simply for reproductive purposes. It is possible that Sakura could still have her confidence and strength. If something as simple as loving Sasuke could strip her from her new power and maturity then she'd be a weak character. The more better choice as it stands is Naruto, because I think with him she has a better relationship. I think she'd be happier with him, and Naruto would be able to show his love for her more.

I think that's where SasuSaku is futile. The circumstances are horrible for any long-lasting relationship with Sasuke. His world is messed up, and I don't think he's interested or even capable of loving someone and devoting the time and affection needed to have a happy relationship. The biggest problem would not be the fact that he's a ruthless ninja, but that he's a distant boyfriend. I can see Sakura trying to connect to Sasuke, to reach him, to help him, but would be silently pushed away. Where as Naruto would be all open arms to her.

The interaction is there, the bonds are there. Unlike Naruto and Hinata, Sasuke and Sakura have spent a lot of time together and do mean something to each other. Though canon-wise this relationship now seems very platonic.

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Posted 26 June 2008 - 10:31 AM

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Huh? He went crazy cause the cursed seal. Yes, he started asking who had done that to her, but later, when he was beating them, he wasn't telling: "That's what you have for hurting Sakura!" or "How do you dare to hurt one of my friends/partners!". He was marveled at the power he had gained.

The cursed seal increases the aggresivity.

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The problem I have with arguments against SasuSaku is this whole abusive thing. Sasuke wouldn't abuse Sakura on a daily basis, and I doubt he'd use her simply for reproductive purposes.


In fact, that is a pro-SasuSaku argument. SasuSaku fans have been claiming during the entire Part II Sasuke would inevitably return to Konoha and romance Sakura because he needed reliving the clan. I find it highly offensive.

Sasuke like an abusive partner is something I have seen in pro and anti SasuSaku fics. It's maddening. When I read a fic, I require all characters are treated respectfully and in-character, unless it's an humor fic where the author intends having non mischievous fun. Whether I like the character or not, I loathe character bashing.

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I think that's where SasuSaku is futile. The circumstances are horrible for any long-lasting relationship with Sasuke. His world is messed up, and I don't think he's interested or even capable of loving someone and devoting the time and affection needed to have a happy relationship. The biggest problem would not be the fact that he's a ruthless ninja, but that he's a distant boyfriend. I can see Sakura trying to connect to Sasuke, to reach him, to help him, but would be silently pushed away. Where as Naruto would be all open arms to her.


That's painfully clear. Sasuke doesn't want what Sakura offers. And Sasuke isn't the person Sakura thought he was, and he can't give him what she needs. Sincerely, I don't think Sasuke wants a romantic relationship with anyone.

However, I still think SasuSaku is possible, due to frequent interactions during Part I, and Sakura is possibly the woman closest to him.

But SasuSaku irks me more than NaruHina. NaruHina bugs me cause the fandom overblowing it all, the few interaction and the opposite personalities. SasuSaku bothers me cause Sasuke frequently put Sakura down or insulted her or her abilities, whereas Sakura usually acted like a mindless fangirl around him and clung like a desperate vine to him. A good number of the inmature acts she commited when she was a child (breaking up with Ino -even if their rivalry was a bigger factor-, being willing holding herself back in order to remain with Sasuke, trying talking out of challenging Kakashi) were cause her crush on Sasuke.

Of course, I don't see her doing that now, even if he returns and she still loves him.

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Posted 27 June 2008 - 03:03 AM

Well, Karin is technically now the closest woman to Sasuke, unless it is revealed Itachi or Madara are woman.

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Posted 27 June 2008 - 04:34 AM

QUOTE (Yoshimoto Trigen @ Jun 26 2008, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, Karin is technically now the closest woman to Sasuke, unless it is revealed Itachi or Madara are woman.


In the literal sense, yes. However, to say he is close to Karin in the sense it's typically meant is a gross overstatement. We don't have any real evidence that he views her anything more than he originally did..as a tool. I think he still sees Team Hebi that way. I imagine his attempt at naming the team is to help encourage commradery on some level, but I don't think it's effective. To me they still look like four people individuals pretending to be a team rather than a genuine team that deeply cares and relies on one another.

That said...in the Sasuke arcs we got zero insight into his thoughts one Team Seven. He didn't think of Naruto. He didn't think of Sakura, even when he mentioned reviving the clan. His Part 1 relationship with Sakura was much closer than his current one with Karin, but now...who knows. He obviously hasn't forgotten them, but how he sees them and how deep that relationship is to him we really don't know and probably won't until he meets up with them again. I think it's weaker than in Part 1, but it's hard to say how much

Still, I don't see his relationship with Karin or the rest of Hebi as close. I don't know if I'd even call them friends. At least meaningful ones anyway.

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In fact, that is a pro-SasuSaku argument. SasuSaku fans have been claiming during the entire Part II Sasuke would inevitably return to Konoha and romance Sakura because he needed reliving the clan. I find it highly offensive.

Sasuke like an abusive partner is something I have seen in pro and anti SasuSaku fics. It's maddening. When I read a fic, I require all characters are treated respectfully and in-character, unless it's an humor fic where the author intends having non mischievous fun. Whether I like the character or not, I loathe character bashing.


I think most serious debaters don't use the abuse argument and I have not seen it for awhuile.

Honestly, I hate it too. If Sasuke had gone down one of the more extreme possibilities that was open to him then maybe, as it appears the cursed seal tended to make him more violent. He'd have to gone deep into the darkness and stayed there for this even to be a possibility. But his current incranation (or any incarnation we have seen in the manga)? Absolutely not. At least, not acting of his own free will.

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The worst thing about SasuSaku is the "Sasuke reviving his clan?! Watch out Sakoora!"


I heard they was a little noise made about him mentioning this again. I can understand why, as it does shoot down the argument that he hadn't mentioned this since Chapter 3.

On the other hand, it's reaccurance could have happened under better circumstances. I have to wonder what he's thinking. He's already mentioned that he desired and intended to sever his bonds with them as he believed they made him weak. And I don't think he just means Naruto. This likely applies to all of Team 7 and Konoha.

Second, this comes at the same time he wants to invade Konoha. The same village Sakura lives in. The same village all of Sakura's precious people (sans Sasuke) live in. The same village her mentor runs. Is he honestly thining, yeah...once I invade Konoha with Akatsuki (who want to kill Naruto, also one of her precious people) and finish my revenge, I'll go back and get Sakura to help revive my clan. And I know she'll say yes. We as the reader see mutiple perspectives and other knowledge that allows us to know that it probably won't play out this way, but Sasuke doesn't.

If Sasuke truly believes he can do that and that she'll be willing go along with it after he does something like that...then he's far less intelligent then I gave him credit for. I can't see her abandoning the village for him, especially now. Even in Part 1, she eventually said she sream if he didn't come back. And I can't seem him believing she will do so.

I don't think she factors into his plans at all. I don't think Karin does either (at least on the reviving end). I have doubts he even has specific plans for this. I think it's more like Naruto's Hokage goal in Part 1: he knows what he wants, but if pressed probably could not give any kind of real plan on how to achieve it.

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I think that's where SasuSaku is futile. The circumstances are horrible for any long-lasting relationship with Sasuke. His world is messed up, and I don't think he's interested or even capable of loving someone and devoting the time and affection needed to have a happy relationship. The biggest problem would not be the fact that he's a ruthless ninja, but that he's a distant boyfriend. I can see Sakura trying to connect to Sasuke, to reach him, to help him, but would be silently pushed away. Where as Naruto would be all open arms to her.

The interaction is there, the bonds are there. Unlike Naruto and Hinata, Sasuke and Sakura have spent a lot of time together and do mean something to each other. Though canon-wise this relationship now seems very platonic.


I'd have to agree that I'd take SasuSaku over NaruHina anyday. I dislike NaruHina immensely. The only het pairings I dislike more are those involving Shikamaru, especially ShikaIno because well....I really don't like Shikamaru.

I think the Sakura arc will elaborate a lot more on what she thinks of both Naruto and Sasuke. At the same time, it could be vintage Kishimoto (when it comes to romance) and give insight without answering any questions.

I still believe there will be no Team 7 pairings. It keeps a subset of fans from pitching fits (as most would probably say no pairing was better than an opposing one), but more importantly, it works better for the relationships. The two most important relationships are Naruto-Sasuke and the Team 7 friendship as a whole. More so than SasuSaku or NaruSaku. I feel like to have a pair get together elevates that particular relationship over the others and could end up placing more emphasis on the relationship than the Team as a whole, which has been the more dominant and emphasized (with the exception of the NaruSasu rivalary). I think the end will focus primarily on them as a Team and not the romance end.

When they've been alone in their thoughs (remember post 310 Sakura) it's not just Sasuke or just Naruto she's thinking about, but Team 7. IMO, I think what she wants the most is for them to be a Team agai

Besides, friendship has been far more important than romance in this series.

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The biggest flaw with that argument is the fact that even if they kissed, Sakura wouldn't have been kissing Sasuke at all but Naruto. Sure Sakura didn't know that Naruto was henged as Sasuke, but the actions and dialog were all Naruto's. Naruto was the one to compliment on Sakura's forehead like she had dreamed. If that were the real Sasuke, the interaction during that scene probably wouldn't have lead up to Sakura being able to try and kiss Naruto henged as Sasuke.


Even if its's Naruto, she thinks it's Sasuke so it doesn't say anything on her opinion of Naruto. That Naruto complimented her means nothing from her end if she never knows it was him. She never noticed a disconnect between that behavior and Sasuke's behavior shortly after. What makes it weak is that at this point it doesn't confirm anything we didn't already know and it's not like she's been thinking of it a lot since then. She had a huge crush on Sasuke that was one sided and nothing about it made it any less one sided. It probably did harm Naruto because it gave her hope Sasuke liked her. On the other hand, it defined a reason why Naruto liked her, which IMO, was the scene's primary intent.

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Posted 27 June 2008 - 07:38 AM

QUOTE (Nate River @ Jun 27 2008, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Second, this comes at the same time he wants to invade Konoha. The same village Sakura lives in. The same village all of Sakura's precious people (sans Sasuke) live in. The same village her mentor runs. Is he honestly thining, yeah...once I invade Konoha with Akatsuki (who want to kill Naruto, also one of her precious people) and finish my revenge, I'll go back and get Sakura to help revive my clan. And I know she'll say yes. We as the reader see mutiple perspectives and other knowledge that allows us to know that it probably won't play out this way, but Sasuke doesn't.


Which is why I believe his mentioning of clan revival at this point in time is irrelevant in regards to Sakura. Sakura's no longer a screaming fangirl, Sasuke's current goal at this point is without question going to make the slight divide between Sasuke and Team 7 (where they were merely tracking him down) into a huge chasm (where now they are actively against each other). To think that Sasuke is taking this into account, or even thinking of how he would move on Sakura is severely underestimating Sasuke's inconsiderateness and one-track mind.

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If Sasuke truly believes he can do that and that she'll be willing go along with it after he does something like that...then he's far less intelligent then I gave him credit for. I can't see her abandoning the village for him, especially now. Even in Part 1, she eventually said she sream if he didn't come back. And I can't seem him believing she will do so.


Indeed. I don't think Sasuke's stupid enough to ever think that Sakura would go running into his arms after he's destroyed her friends, family, comrades, teachers and home. Knowing Sasuke, I think he's chalked Sakura, Naruto, and Team 7 in general as a bond he's severed.

QUOTE (Nate River @ Jun 27 2008, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I still believe there will be no Team 7 pairings. It keeps a subset of fans from pitching fits (as most would probably say no pairing was better than an opposing one), but more importantly, it works better for the relationships. The two most important relationships are Naruto-Sasuke and the Team 7 friendship as a whole. More so than SasuSaku or NaruSaku. I feel like to have a pair get together elevates that particular relationship over the others and could end up placing more emphasis on the relationship than the Team as a whole, which has been the more dominant and emphasized (with the exception of the NaruSasu rivalary). I think the end will focus primarily on them as a Team and not the romance end.


I disagree. Naruto has played out on the predictable end IMO. Situations have been placed to facilitate the main character getting the girl in the end. It's been a formulaic subplot developing since Chapter 3. Though the Team 7 angle will be focused on, if the story is brought to a proper conclusion, our hero will get his girl in the end.

QUOTE (Nate River @ Jun 27 2008, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
On the other hand, it defined a reason why Naruto liked her, which IMO, was the scene's primary intent.


Agreed.

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Posted 01 July 2008 - 02:14 AM

um, why does naruto like her anyway, she was always so mean to him. and often she still is. Im a supporter of narusaku but i just dont get it. maybe the "growing up" arcs upcomming will clear some things up for everyone.

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Posted 01 July 2008 - 04:25 AM

Heh, it's just something in your brain that ticks dude, Naruto loves her, it's that simple.

Personally, I see Karin having a better chance of ending up with Sasuke than any other girl, and it's pretty slim to me :/
I also have a feeling Sasuke wasn't being completely literal about reviving his clan, I think it was meant in a different way*shrugs*

I'm fairly sure NaruSaku will happen, they're very similar and Kishimoto has proven multiple times in his mangas that he believes similars attract.

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Posted 04 July 2008 - 04:51 AM

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That's painfully clear. Sasuke doesn't want what Sakura offers. And Sasuke isn't the person Sakura thought he was, and he can't give him what she needs. Sincerely, I don't think Sasuke wants a romantic relationship with anyone.

However, I still think SasuSaku is possible, due to frequent interactions during Part I, and Sakura is possibly the woman closest to him.

But SasuSaku irks me more than NaruHina. NaruHina bugs me cause the fandom overblowing it all, the few interaction and the opposite personalities. SasuSaku bothers me cause Sasuke frequently put Sakura down or insulted her or her abilities, whereas Sakura usually acted like a mindless fangirl around him and clung like a desperate vine to him. A good number of the inmature acts she commited when she was a child (breaking up with Ino -even if their rivalry was a bigger factor-, being willing holding herself back in order to remain with Sasuke, trying talking out of challenging Kakashi) were cause her crush on Sasuke.

Of course, I don't see her doing that now, even if he returns and she still loves him.


The verbal put downs were quite expected. I think the worst Sasuke ever did in terms of that was being blunt with her. His 'worse than Naruto' may have put her in a bit of a depressing mood, but it was the truth. And I think for the chuunin exams it was appropriate, since Sakura herself admits that she was just constantly watching Sasuke's and Naruto's back, never once doing anything major. The other one was calling her annoying, which she was. I think at the beginning she was a mindless fangirl, though I didn't see much of her clinging... Though after the Wave arc and much more after the chuunin arc her actions took on more of a crush-like and teammate-like than fangirlish.

I dunno, I just don't see it as bad as I've seen people make it out to be. Sasuke was being blunt towards her because sugar-coating things doesn't help, but he did acknowledge her usefulness when it counted. He was the one who brought her morale up again when he called her out on the fact that she was the best genjutsu spotter in the team, and he was if memory serves correct the first to notice that she was feeling down. He showed that instead of being violent towards her, he displayed almost hintingly protective feelings when he went cursed marked. And when thinking about precious people, he thinks about Naruto and Sakura, though understandably Naruto is the one he is much closer to.

In no senses of the word do I think he was particularily cruel to her. Yes, he would push her away if she was getting to 'clingy' for his liking, but doesn't Sakura do that too but with Naruto instead? He's uniterested in her romantically, that's it. No verbal or physical abuse. Compared to Naruto's attitude towards Sakura, Sasuke does seem like the mean one, but it's just that Sasuke isn't the type to sugar-coat things.

As for Sakura's behavoir... I think it was nothing compared to Karin's now. If Sasuke didn't like Sakura for her clingy and obsessive attitude, I doubt he'll keen in to Karin. In the beginning when things were a lot less serious, yes her attitude was quite unfounded. The bell test for example. Ignoring Naruto's entrapment just to find Sasuke, even going as far as to suggest they all simply forget about the test since she wasn't sure she could pass with him. Kakashi and Sasuke were both pretty blunt with her that episode/chapter, and I think she learned her lesson. This kind of attitude stopped, and although she was still asking for dates she shed a lot of this obsessive attitude as the time went on. So really, I think her fangirling towards Sasuke is exaggerated in arguments. Her part one relationship with Sasuke did evolve to something tolerant, which is why I personally tolerated it very well.

And... I've never seen anyone use abusive Sasuke in pro-SasuSaku arguments. oO I don't know how you could. The reproduction, yes, but as it's been stating I don't think serious debaters actually use the reving the clan as a real argument, more like a speculation.

It's not happening, but I will always say it really could have. It could have been made believable if things had been just a little different, if Sasuke was less obsessed with revenge, if he had chosen to see her in a different light. The possibility that Sakura might still have underlying feelings for Sasuke is there, and who knows what Sasuke's true feelings for Sakura were. Though the storyline now blocks any of this speculation. NaruSaku, SasuSaku, and definitely NaruHina are put aside in these chapters. Romance isn't a focus point, and that's why we have such little insight towards character feelings. Even Naruto's blalant crush towards Sakura is halted now, with all the tradgedy around him.

Likliest pairing is the uber awesome NaruSaku, though I don't discredit SasuSaku. It was there, and even as a NaruSaku shipper I still like the relationship between Sasuke and Sakura, platonic or otherwise.

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 05:42 PM

i think they will be cute together they are both cute,smart and strong




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