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[James S Cassidy]

Look man, it's simple, you put a child in the world you should take care of it

Naruto and Sasuke are absent fathers, neglecting their respective children, idk why you're trying to find excuses in-universe to justify Sasuke but in the end this all happened because Kishimoto needed something to be a plot for Boruto movie and the gaiden and that thing is daddy issues, no matter how out of character is for someone like Naruto was to negect his child

Look, man, it is even simpler. IF A PERSON ATTEMPTS TO MURDER YOU YOU DO NOT MARRY THEM AND THINK THEY ARE AWESOME. IF A FATHER IS NEGLECTFUL YOU DO NOT CONTINUE TO THINK HE IS FATHER OF THE YEAR. IF YOUR FATHER IS NEVER THERE, YOU DO NOT KEEP LIVING A LIE LIKE YOU'RE A HAPPY FAMILY.

You want to go into debate about whether or not Sasuke is a good father when in reality it is irrelevant to the fact that Sasuke shouldn't even be a father in the first place because he didn't want it. He doesn't want to be a father. He has expressed no interest in being a father. So you can;t force him to be a father no matter how many times you throw the word "responsibility" around since this guys has taken NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYTHING HE HAS EVER DONE.

We don't even know if Sasuke actually "fathered" the child into this world at all. There is NOTHING to suggest that he even had sex with Sakura at all and I am sorry, but I could easily assume that Sakura or Karin just got artificially inseminated because let's face it, none of this kitten makes sense at all. The timelines and the "canon" if you want to include the Hiden novels show no instance where Sasuke could have been in the village long enough to even be romantic with Sakura let alone anything else. He can't even kiss her and you want me to believe he willingly had sex with her and fathered a child he didn't want? You really think Sasuke is that stupid?

 

Sorry, but is Sasuke a bad father? No, but I don't even believe he is a father period. I don't even think Sakura is the mother either seeing how they can easily lie to her. They could have told her any story. "Sakura is your mother, even though secretly Karin is actually your mother based on her experimentation with Orochimaru and Sasuke's DNA" and it would still make more sense than what we got now. It is easier to believe that Karing jsut dumped this kid on Sakura's doorstep and she lives in a delusional world than it is to believe Sasuke had passionate sex with Sakura and had a kid.

This entire story is unbelievable, the logic is unsound and all you guys want to do is keep throwing logic into something that has none. Stop trying to pretend that this story makes any sense when really 90% of what is happening shouldn't even exist. Is Sasuke a bad father? No, in fact he is the best father and person of the year, because unlike everyone else he doesn't accept any of this kitten and refuses to be apart of it. Lack of responsibility? More like doesn't want to be forced into something he doesn't want to be in just because of an obsessive girl and a kittening fandom who doesn't know what love is.

Who is the worse father? Both of them. They are both horrible terrible parents who have no clue of responsibility because they live in a world where they feel they don't need to. There are no consequences, no "moral obligations," nothing. They do what they want, when they want, and you can't judge them because then you look like the bad guy.

And all because a sick and twisted fandom wanted to live their sexual fantasies vicariously through these characters because they couldn't have some in real life.

I am one of those that say: "You should know what to expect."

Naruto is actually the worst father because I expected him to be a good father and he isn't.


 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 18 September 2015 - 11:26 PM.

[Namikaze Clan]

Except we have nobody's word except Mikoto's that that's actually true. For all we know, she was lying to Sasuke in order to make him feel better because, as a mother, she was at least trying to make him happy. She saw he was depressed and knew the reason why. We are never shown anything to corroborate it though. We even had a more detailed flashback to just before Itachi killed Fugaku and Mikoto, showing them saying things to him and such and yet we couldn't get one or two pages of showing Fugaku doing such a thing?

Even when Fugaku began praising Sasuke after he finally got the Fireball down, it only happened to take place when Fugaku began to see that he couldn't rely on Itachi as the tip of the spear of the Uchiha coup like he had planned, so I am far more inclined to believe that he only began to pay more attention to Sasuke in order to try to mold him into what he wanted Itachi to be.

 

But we have no evidence that she was lying either. 

 

And even is Fugaku wasn`t the best father, Sasuke should at least attempt to do better.  Even if he was on a mission he could have contacted Sarada while he was away. 

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Except we have nobody's word except Mikoto's that that's actually true. For all we know, she was lying to Sasuke in order to make him feel better because, as a mother, she was at least trying to make him happy. She saw he was depressed and knew the reason why. We are never shown anything to corroborate it though. We even had a more detailed flashback to just before Itachi killed Fugaku and Mikoto, showing them saying things to him and such and yet we couldn't get one or two pages of showing Fugaku doing such a thing?

Even when Fugaku began praising Sasuke after he finally got the Fireball down, it only happened to take place when Fugaku began to see that he couldn't rely on Itachi as the tip of the spear of the Uchiha coup like he had planned, so I am far more inclined to believe that he only began to pay more attention to Sasuke in order to try to mold him into what he wanted Itachi to be.

 

As we've discussed, which is more troubling. though as we saw too with Mikoto, she cared for both Sasuke and Itachi equally, even if Fugaku merely saw his boys as a means to an end as the tip of the spear for the coup d'etat. And I bet as long as he had Fugaku's approval, if Itachi hadn't aided in the massacre after all options to try to prevent had been used and/or stopped, Sasuke would have gone along with it.

[sushi.]

James, this whole discussion started because you argued wasn't a bad father, but now you're confusing me. Your words are contradicting. A page back you even said he was, and wasn't a bad father. Now you say they both suck, but it doesn't matter. Make up your mind and be civil with the caps lock pls. You cannot escape the simple fact that he is a bad father by saying he never wanted to be one, like if I get a job that I never wanted and I'm bad at it ~ sucks for me, but I'm still bad at it, right? Or because technically he and Sakura never kittened on screen, that Sarada isn't his kid. You just sound desperate when you drag in a hyphotesis without substance, or other fathers to say 'at least they werent thaat bad'.

Edited by sushi., 18 September 2015 - 11:07 PM.

[TheFirstEvil100]

All I can add is that Homer Simpson is a better dad that Sasuke and Naruto.

[sushi.]

All I can add is that Homer Simpson is a better dad that Sasuke and Naruto.

homer is actually a very good dad.

[rocci]

@sushi
Both of them are terrible father because kishi need a conflict for gaiden and burito movie.
It should not happen, considering sasuke love his family so much.
The same goes with naruto.

[sushi.]

@sushi
Both of them are terrible father because kishi need a conflict for gaiden and burito movie.
It should not happen, considering sasuke love his family so much.
The same goes with naruto.

Did any part of my post indicate I don't believe that? cos I do.

[rocci]

Did any part of my post indicate I don't believe that? cos I do.

I forgot to add, I agree with you.

[TheFirstEvil100]

homer is actually a very good dad.

Yeah I mean is there for his three kids and helps them when they need it true at times he can forget things but its who Homer is but deep down when Lisa Bart or Magge need him he would be there for all three and do what he can for them,

[Narufan85]

homer is actually a very good dad.

 

Yup. He quits his dream job to go back to the power plant after Maggie is born so he can make enough money to support his family. And he keeps all his pictures of Maggie at the plant to inspire him.

 

[BlackBird19]

Just going off the actions of Naruto and Sasuke as fathers, not who should be or who shouldn't be or whose fault it is Sasuke is the way he is, but their actions as fathers. I'd still say Sasuke is the worst of them.

 

Naruto is portrayed as a neglectful father who's priorities are off. Not as a father who truly purposefully wants nothing to do with his children. This means he's just not being a good overall father.

 

Sasuke is portrayed as an absent father who also prioritizes duty over his family. The key word here is absent. Sasuke has been shown to have absolutely zero contact with his family for over a decade. He took his duty so seriously that he chose to stay away from his family completely. No matter the reason, that kind of absence is unforgivable despite what Kishi wrote. 

[Namikaze Clan]

Thing is Naruto likely started out as a good parent before becoming Hokage. Based on what we saw in The Last and some photos in the Boruto movie, He was an attentive father who was active in his children's lives.

We never got that with Sasuke.

[SlyNinjaKnight]

While both Naruto and Sasuke seem to be bad fathers, well at least absent/inattentive fathers, I have to say Naruto is the worst father because of the expectations I had for him as a father. I thought Naruto would be a father, a bit like Homer Simpson, someone who will make mistakes since he had no clue what a father was supposed to do but would always be there for his kids and support them, encouraging them and being there to pick them up when/if they fail. But according to Gaiden, all we have is a workaholic (possible drunk) who cares more about his image than his family.

 

In a vacuum, Sasuke would be the worse father since he hasn't even seen his child (up until Gaiden), being gone from the village the entire time, but since I had no expectation for Sasuke to be a good father, it doesn't surprise me that he would be a bad father. 

[Legend054]

sasuke without a doubt as everyone here said. he tried to kill his own daughter for god sake and was never around to take care of her. at least naruto was there trying to disciple his son as neglectful as it seemed, better than having a father who is never around.  james s has very good point all this crap should not have happened in the first place. both naruto and sasuke should not be a called a father because we dont nh/ss children.

[Yyubie]

They are both bad father, but sasuke is ten thousand worse than naruto.

 

He clearly said he wants to rebuild his clan when kakashi ask the three of them what is their dream. To do that he has to get married and make baby. But he doesn't want to feed his own family, he doesn't get a job and feed them, he leave and abandon them, let alone provide a tiny bit protection for them. Master james you said it is irrelevant because sasuke doesn't want to be a father, i disagree, he want to revive his clan So like it or not he has to be a father to revive his clan, and its out of questions he wants to be father or not it is a choice he has to take. Its like you want to have sex but if the girl pregnant you run away, isn't that the same as what sasuke do right now? he wants to revive his clan but he doesn't want to be a father and take responsibility. That's why i said before, sasuke existence is a disgrace of all girl and women across the globe.

Edited by Yyubie, 19 September 2015 - 03:34 PM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Perhaps Sasuke is actually asexual.

[FireFox]

@sushi
Both of them are terrible father because kishi need a conflict for gaiden and burito movie.
It should not happen, considering sasuke love his family so much.
The same goes with naruto.

Just bc Sasuke loved his family once doesn't mean he'll automatically show love for his own  after how he turned out to be . Realistically Sasuke wasn't stable or fit to have/raise a family ( wife and a kid ) at all , he couldn't even take care of himself and his actions let alone do that he was completely lost !!! . He was to radical , selfish and mentally unstable he just didn't care for anyone but himself . That was until he made 180 again and turned into a "saint" .

They are both bad father, but sasuke is ten thousand worse than naruto.

 

He clearly said he wants to rebuild his clan when kakashi ask the three of them what is their dream. To do that he has to get married and make baby. But he doesn't want to feed his own family, he doesn't get a job and feed them, he leave and abandon them, let alone provide a tiny bit protection for them. Master james you said it is irrelevant because sasuke doesn't want to be a father, i disagree, he want to revive his clan So like it or not he has to be a father to revive his clan, and its out of questions he wants to be father or not it is a choice he has to take. Its like you want to have sex but if the girl pregnant you run away, isn't that the same as what sasuke do right now? he wants to revive his clan but he doesn't want to be a father and take responsibility. That's why i said before, sasuke existence is a disgrace of all girl and women across the globe.

I'm sorry but no Sauske didn't want to restore the clan like having babies and such  , he wanted to restore the clan's "honor"  . I mean really this is pointed out through the story several times by Itachi and Sasuke himself  are we still gonna go with this misconception just bc the author kittened up and retconed the whole story !? .

 

That being said I agree Sasuke is the worst father by a mile by his actions there's no excuse in here  .  

 

Having a neglectful father ( Sasuke ) or not having parents knowing parental love (Naruto) shouldn't be a reason for you to act as one with your own kids too , If anything the pain that they've felt from that should make them strive to become a better parent figure then what they had ( that would be the logical thing at least ) , especially Naruto bc he always wanted to have a family and was deeply hurt from not experiencing the parental love like the other kids when watching them playing with their parents . That's why showing Naruto in this state is completely OOC bc it makes no sense whatsoever . Sasuke I already mentioned it above but his personality character was so  twisted to the point of no return , the way he was written/portrayed  he was definitely not suited for raising a family but that certainly doesn't  excuse him of his actions and responsibilities no matter what are the reasons for it . Its actually very simple  if you're not suited for the job and you don't want it then DON'T HAVE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE !!! .

 

Either way  there are various cases of kids being neglected by their fathers  and later they're like that with their kids too bc that traumatized them so much and its all they know (its still bad though) . And other cases when despite the kids  being neglected by their fathers , they change for the batter and become the best parents they can be bc they don't want their kids to experience the same pain they've had . Point is I guess that there's not a "real logical explanation" for this bc it all depends of the person itself or should I say "character" in this case .

 

With that being said  I'll say it again , Naruto by the way his character was written/portrayed  falls under the second case , he should have never ever turned out to be a neglectful father himself  its ridiculous and makes zero sense . And Sasuke on the other hand well like I said he wasn't suited for raising a family at all  and what we're seeing now is pretty much the result of him having one , its terrible/awful downright disgusting ugh !!! . But that in no way can be an excuse for his actions bc no matter what its still his responsibility , not wanting an family and still making one but refuse to take any responsibility for it in the end  not only makes you a kitten of a parent but also a kitten of  person  ultimately  it makes the worst ultimate kitten in the whole wide world .    

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 19 September 2015 - 07:57 PM.

[Yyubie]

I'm sorry but no Sauske didn't want to restore the clan like having babies and such  , he wanted to restore the clan's "honor"  . I mean really this is pointed out through the story several times by Itachi and Sasuke himself  are we still gonna go with this misconception just bc the author kittened up and retconed the whole story !? .

Really?

 

He clearly said 'THE RESURECTION OF MY CLAN' not restore honor of his clan. So you wrong, or are you purposely defending him?

 

Now now i suddenly got curious ... is there anyone here who is BIG fan of sasuke?? because i see people still say he is better father than naruto is really questionable, naruto is kittened up and scumbag yes he is the worse but sasuke ?? he is far bellow what naruto is. Those who like sasuke is nothing more than dreamer boy self insert who dream to be handsome cool surrounded by women like him. No offense to sasuke fans but i just never hate someone in real life like i hate this guy, he really must die.

Edited by Yyubie, 19 September 2015 - 09:01 PM.

[FireFox]

Really?

 

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He clearly said 'THE RESURECTION OF MY CLAN' not restore honor of his clan. So you wrong, or are you purposely defending him?

 

Now now i suddenly got curious ... is there anyone here who is BIG fan of sasuke?? because i see people still say he is better father than naruto is really questionable, naruto is kittened up and scumbag yes he is the worse but sasuke ?? he is far bellow what naruto is. Those who like sasuke is nothing more than dreamer boy self insert who dream to be handsome cool surrounded by women like him. No offense to sasuke fans but i just never hate someone in real life like i hate this guy, he really must die.

LOL How is what I said defending him !?  I was only clarifying the misconception that he wanted to revive the clan as in have a family when that was not the case , it was about the restoring the clan's honor . But fine here you go look it up for yourself  what did he meant by "Reviving/Resurection of his clan".  I'm to tired to look for the panel (plus I don't want to look any more pages of this crap) where Itachi says that Sasuke was meant to clear the Uchiha's name honor by killing him and Sasuke becomes the hero of the Uchiha's . All those things are connected  and its not about making Uchiha babies .  

 

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Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 19 September 2015 - 09:33 PM.