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[Branden]

It would seem that the easiest way to defeat Obito at this point is to summon the two great toad sages into battle. If senjutsu is his weakness then the highest masters of senjutsu will absolutely wreck him.

 

I just hope Naruto is smart enough to summon them.

[Psychox]

 

You have to remember that the chakra which maintains Naruto's bijuu transformation state is Kurama's, not the personal reservoir of Naruto. Now Gyuki did explain that an exchange process takes place where the bijuu consumes an unspecified amount of the jinchuuriki's supply as compensation for allowing them to acquire the more potent bijuu equivalent. However, the amount of chakra they each take can be negotiated depending on whether or not the bijuu and jinchuuriki are able to cooperate with each other. 

 

Theoretically, Kurama may have decreased the amount of chakra that he was depriving from Naruto to only a sliver when came to terms some time back. It would account for Naruto not having collapsed yet from chakra exhaustion and his ability to intermix natural energy with his own chakra after Kurama's became unavailable. 

 

That is what i meant Kurama's chakra cloak (KCM) ran out and it was stated that the bijuu consumes unspecified amounts of chakra , anyways i liked SM than KCM AND BM ^^.

[soraandven]

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/616/5 :)

[Liu bie]

Nice episode, It is a good think that Kishi left this chapter that we can live without manga next week. It seems we will have a Naruto vs Sasuke when he asked him if he still can fight. I glad we had some comedy in dark times and Naruto bad ass. Naruto enter in Sage Mode but now he maybe is a little open. to a dangerous  attack.

[deviouslyChaotic]

How the dark Kurama is talking about Naruto gets me to think that Kurama is going to suggest to Minato to give the rest of his chakra to Naruto. "He even persuaded my other half" could lead to "which has persuaded me to believe in him also". Naruto could become another so6p against Obito with that new power. I'm hoping to see the hero kick Obito's butt much more than Sasuke. He is always so cocky at times it bothers me.

I agree. I'm glad that Sasuke's being put on a back-burner for now. Sasuke may now proceed to spend his time standing there while gaping in pure awe and jealousy at Naruto's heroics ;).

[redragon88]

 

The key factor that vanishes with all kinds of ninjutsus is that black 4 elements chakra, at least that's what is being hinted and Hiruzen got hit by it.

 

Definetely, Madara is now in the line too. He better pull his trump card soon before it's too late. 

Also, did you see that Obito is still thinking about Rin? I can't help but to think that Madara's trump card has something to do about it.

 

Obito also hit Tobirama with that 4 element jutsu. That's the point of me mentioning it.

 

Considering that Rin is his motivation to keep going it doesn't surprise me he keeps thinking of her. It would be interesting to have Rin as edo-tensei since it will bring all of Team Minato together once again, but I can't see it being worked into the plot at this point.

 

Still, Rin is at the center of all of this so I don think it makes sense that more of her will be brought up in some shape or form. If not edo-tensei maybe an illusion or through a flashback.

[Atheck]

Katsuyu will stay out as long as the one who summoned it still has chakra and wants to use it. Remember during the pain fight katsuyu was right next to Naruto the whole time in a fight that could have taken more than an hour or two giving him information. Don't count on katsuyu leaving for a while.

 

You understand that it was Tsunade who originally summoned Katsuyu during that time, correct? If what you are saying is true then she should have immediately returned to the Shikkotsu Forest after her chakra supply was depleted and her transformation jutsu was dispelled. Tsunade was obviously in no condition to siphon off her stamina to keep Katsuyu around after Pain's enormous Shinra Tensei. 

 

 

That is what i meant Kurama's chakra cloak (KCM) ran out and it was stated that the bijuu consumes unspecified amounts of chakra , anyways i liked SM than KCM AND BM ^^.

 

But to enter Sage Mode it requires that you first possess the stamina and spiritual energy with which to intermix with natural energy. If Kurama never decreased the amount of chakra that he was being remunerated with then how would this not function as a hindrance to Naruto's ability to use senjutsu? The components of sage chakra are a three-way equilibrium between physical stamina, spiritual energy, and natural energy. You can't just enter sage mode with natural energy alone. 

 

Then of course there's the anomaly with Katsuyu continuing to remain in Konoha after Tsunade had already expended all of her chakra protecting the villagers. I have to thank the other user for referencing that situation. It didn't cross my mind that Katsuyu's activities in that arc would be usable as evidence in this debate.  

Edited by Atheck, 07 August 2013 - 07:09 AM.

[LuckyChi7]

This is just a theory, but I think Yin Kurama, and Yang Kurama will have some kind conversation before their chakra become whole again. Its good to see Sasuke taking the back burner, and be stunned from seeing how much Naruto has surpassed him sense the fight at Final Valley.

[Jake]

I liked this chapter, we got quite a bit of information and a bit of action.

 

So Senjutsu is the only thing that can damage Obito, That does make sense, it was Sage Mode that allowed Naruto to destory 5 of Pain's bodies, and the Rinnegan can not see natural energy, and So the only people who can do damage to Obito are Naruto, Hashirama, Juugo and possibly Orochimaru, with this information I think that it is likely that when Orochimaru and the Kages arrive on the battle field the Kages will try for a rematch with Madara, freeing up Hashirama to combat Obito, And I can't wait to find out what develops with Shadow Kurama.

 

Also we have a parallel Minato and Jiraiya, both lost an arm fighting a former student.

[Hiraishin]

If I was Minato I wouldn't be trying to help Obito right now, I would be really really pissed about what he did. He completely ruined Minato's life and doesn't show any remorse so i just don't understand why Minato is feeling sad nothing was his fault.

 Minato seems like the type to blame everything on himself, even if it wasn't really his fault. Poor guy.   And yeah, I agree, nothing was his fault. :\
 

"He's more perfect than how I imgine myself in dreams!!"   Oh my god Naruto.
and yes ten points for sassy Sasuke; "Never underestimate an Uchiha..." lol what a sassmaster.

I loved both of these haha.

Kishi keeps showing us the similarities between father and son. It's kind of funny how Obito is megapowerful, yet he still managed to get hit by the same exact critical move that Minato hit him with to defeat him before.

  Nice catch! Even the manners of the attack are the same: Obito going down in a horizontal position, Naruto/Minato hitting him in the back, from the air... Even the Flying Thunder God was used to transport the two into a position to attack in both instances (though admittedly, it was Tobirama who used it in the second instance). Hmm, how did Naruto know Tobirama would figure out what he was planning and transport him to Obito?  
 

I think this fight will go on to the end of the volume. I don't think the others will get involved until after that time

I think you're right. Maybe the Kage will show up in the last chapter of the volume, and then everyone (or, most people... the strongest, or most relevant like the Kage and K11) will get involved next volume.
 

Also we have a parallel Minato and Jiraiya, both lost an arm fighting a former student.

Wow, nice catch! o:

Edited by mydearbeloved, 07 August 2013 - 07:11 AM.

[Dkey]

I really would like a NS sage team against Obito, but don't you think Kishi will asspull a sage mode for Sasuke to so what was hinted last volume come to pass regarding team 7?

[Psychox]

I liked this chapter, we got quite a bit of information and a bit of action.

 

So Senjutsu is the only thing that can damage Obito, That does make sense, it was Sage Mode that allowed Naruto to destory 5 of Pain's bodies, and the Rinnegan can not see natural energy, and So the only people who can do damage to Obito are Naruto, Hashirama, Juugo and possibly Orochimaru, with this information I think that it is likely that when Orochimaru and the Kages arrive on the battle field the Kages will try for a rematch with Madara, freeing up Hashirama to combat Obito, And I can't wait to find out what develops with Shadow Kurama.

 

Also we have a parallel Minato and Jiraiya, both lost an arm fighting a former student.

 

True , people who have SM can damage Obito so what is Sasuke gonna do now? ^^

Agree with the Minato/Jiraiya .

[Chatte]

I really would like a NS sage team against Obito, but don't you think Kishi will asspull a sage mode for Sasuke to so what was hinted last volume come to pass regarding team 7?

Well, Naruto and Sakura were both posted alongside while Sasuke was with his back. Dunno, we'll have to see, I guess...

[arian_rad]

 
True , people who have SM can damage Obito so what is Sasuke gonna do now? ^^

Agree with the Minato/Jiraiya .

According to atheck, Sasuke did get some nature energy from jugo. Not sure if it can be used or if it will be used. Hopefully he stays behind and let's the hero take care of it.

[Psychox]

According to atheck, Sasuke did get some nature energy from jugo. Not sure if it can be used or if it will be used. Hopefully he stays behind and let's the hero take care of it.

Yeah , i remember that part , he has some cells in him since the fight with BEE , but can he go SM without the cursed seal ?

[Atheck]

You know there's one detail about this predicament in the manga that begs the question of how the Alliance will be able to damage Tobi now. If senjutsu is necessary to damage him then what can they do? Several possibilities come to mind. The most notable is that Kishi may choose to rehash the same feat Naruto used. I can envision Juugo, Hashirama, or Naruto distributing sage chakra to everyone in the Alliance just so they can make their concerted effort finally. Now that would truly be an illogical stunt of ridiculous proportions but it's just so illogical that Kishi may have it occur anyways. 

 

Sakura may be the one to allocate senjutsu chakra to everyone via Katsuyu. Everyone with Sage Mode... Sakura's variant no less. That concept is probably already being repudiated in the minds of some at this very moment. 

 

I really would like a NS sage team against Obito, but don't you think Kishi will asspull a sage mode for Sasuke to so what was hinted last volume come to pass regarding team 7?

 

Sasuke was unknowingly applying senjutsu to his fighting abilities before any of the readers and possibly Kishi himself were aware of the concept. He may not be capable of Sage Mode per se, but he should have an understanding of the fundamental qualities behind gathering natural energy since he was training and relying on an attracting force of it for years before having the seal removed by Itachi. 

 

It just seems implausible that Kishi would relegate Sasuke to being an onlooker after Minato reasserted that Naruto and Sasuke were the "main attractions" of the battle. 

[Verilance]

posted this in wrong chapter from this issue of WSJ

 

 

 

NEW Girls of Jump poster this issue it being summer and all

 

the boys have to settle for the cover

 

 

 

remember this is a double issue so no chapter next week

Edited by Verilance, 07 August 2013 - 07:31 AM.

[Otaru]

I just love this chapter soooo much !!!

It's all leading where i wanted it to !!!

 

Can't wait for next week (or the week after)

[megi]

Well no matter how asspully it is for Sasuke to have SM, I would be pretty excited to see it haha ^^ I really want him to have it.

I don't think any senjutsu users will be coming into this at at this time. Hashi is being blocked by Mada. Naruto will be Obito's main problem for a while ^^ go Naruto!

As for others who may join the fight soon, I don't think Tsuna has sage mode, mostly because I don't see why she wouldn't have used it against Madara. Orochimaru also knows SM too right? I don't doubt the possibility that Sakura can learn it either...for some reason I see her using her seal for something else idk. It would be awesome though. However if she does obtain SM, Sasuke MUST haha. But I think for a while Naruto's attacks will be the only one that gets through to Obito. But how will the Alliance help?

I patiently wait for Obito to finish the Moon Eye plan

[arian_rad]

I think the whole alliance will work together to defeats Madara because in my head he will still be the final villain, not Obito. Looking at how madara mocked the alliance and that shinobi cannot keep peace, it would be good if all shinobi took him down together. I actually want Sasuke out because he will get more than a spotlight in the final fight. Seeing Naruto so much better than him will get him even more motivated to backstab him or destroy him. I still think the idea of Sakura entering SSM is the highest at this point in time and I'm hoping for it to happen.