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#61 Sakamaki Izayoi

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 07:43 PM

QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Apr 1 2013, 04:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It wasn't simply because Neji died that the chapter was emotional. In fact his death was in 614, and what made 615 impactful was that Hinata helped Naruto from breaking down. That was the focus of the chapter.

Again, how it was only Hinata that helped Naruto from the breaking down if even the cover states Naruto looking at Neji, Hinata helped him but she wasnt she alone in fact it was Neji, it's even highlighted on the cover it was Neji, Neji is on the middle the focus is on him, the handholding was to emphasize the 615 chapter.
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Posted 01 April 2013 - 07:51 PM

This cover is a shiptease. I don't think NH is canon because I know Kishi's track record and I regret that, it's just more of the same ambiguous crap Kishi serves us. It has come to the point where you can't really predict which pairing is going to be canon until it is definitively confirmed even if that doesn't make sense or consistent with the rest of the manga, Kishi is simply trying to muddy the waters like he has done before for other plot points but the only result so far is a further erosion of the writing and the manga in general.
Funnily enough, all of this only reinforced my impression NS is the end pairing and all of that NH development is nothing more than a redherring to confuse readers, but hey he has done all of that at the expense of common sense, logic, and a devaluation of the manga. I think Kishi is aware of that but what matters for him is the ratings above all else, terrible way of seeing things but as long as Kishi gets the money he will be fine ; integrity is a word of the past only finance matters, sad state of affairs.
Just my 2 cents on this whole fiasco.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 08:30 PM

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QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Apr 1 2013, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dont know, maybe it has something to do with the fact that this was the climay of the volume? Cover = nothing, just showing happenings of the volume.


I think Kishi chooses to put on the covers the highlights of the volume and what he considers important.

QUOTE (T XD @ Apr 1 2013, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, but there's not just them. There's also what the cover gives you of an idea, and the surrounding. Some are seeing just the hand holding and not with the idea and stuff. If someone who doesn't read the manga, and see some arguments from here, he/she would think that there's a pairing that is now canon from the cover !!!

Sakura has been in covers before. Not every cover should have Sakura in it even if she's the heroine.


It's not just them, I agree. But they are the center of attention; out of every moment Kishi could have chose he chose them holding hands. I really thought we got spared of that when 616 came out and Sasuke stole the color pages. Unfortunately we weren't. I think of covers with Narusaku and they never had that, they didn't get their hug or any real physical contact on covers.

I'm seeing alot of people being hypocritical because of the "it means something" reactions to Road To Ninja, technically filler/non-canon, compared to this (drawn by Kishimoto, in the manga) and how it means nothing.

SAKURA is the HEROINE. She will always be. I get that she didn't have a role in this volume. I'd like a cover with her and Naruto that's not just them being the main characters for once.

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Apr 1 2013, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You yourself said that this doesn't make NH canon but it's a huge NH moment that shouldn't be brush off by any NS fans.

Like I said in my last post, this could be the beginning of NH stepping stone or it could be the end of the Huyga story since there isn't anything else to talk about them but there is a lot to resolve with Team 7, we could agree that Hinata story is almost complete by now, if NH is meant to be the end pairing then she will only waiting for the I love you too from Naruto, but if NH is not meant to be then the focus will switch on witch guy Sakura will finally choose when the focus is on Team 7 again.


Correct: Naruhina is not canon.

I want to believe its the end of Hinata development/Naruhina resolution but I cant anymore because we've been saying that since she confessed and it just hasn't ended. I think it will be the end if Naruto confirms he still loves Sakura. While I believe he does and there's no evidence that points to him giving up on his love for her, confirmation of it should shut the nay-sayers up.

QUOTE (Sakura_Blossom @ Apr 1 2013, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I understand what you're feeling, it's sad to see our Sakura being left out to give opportunity to Hinata, but it is best to wait until the next events before despair. Let's think that Kishi makes incredible back Sakura giving any attention NS and Hinata finally is left out, all these feelings will have been a waste of time. But if he continues to give us one or another point to NH, I would say that we should be concerned.
Actually, that is not worse than the statement, only makes it seem because it came later, as a confirmation of the feelings of Hinata, but Naruto does not show while returning, we're fine. biggrin.gif
You need not worry, Sakura will return soon and we will know clearly whether there is cause for concern.


**hugs**

I honestly like Hinata. I think she's a good character. Do I think she completes Naruto as much as Sakura does? NO WAY! Naruto and Sakura have a deep bond that cannot be broken.

When Sakura returns I only hope it's not due to Sasuke. I want to see her fight along side Naruto as she said she would in chap. 573.

I agree that it doesn't confirm Naruto loves Hinata. He still loves Sakura. smile.gif

QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Apr 1 2013, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
With the handholding being so emphasized I don't think we can pass it off as just chakra sharing or compare it to the alliance scene. 616 wasn't really a troll tbh.


THANK YOU! Besides that 617 shows Hinata helping Naruto again. There was no troll, its just the Naruhina fans expected more and we braced for more. We should be happy nothing more happened in 616.

NARUTO X SAKURA


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Posted 01 April 2013 - 08:41 PM

QUOTE (AnimeGirl_123 @ Apr 1 2013, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think Kishi chooses to put on the covers the highlights of the volume and what he considers important.

Yes its a highlight and something special in the volume, but has nothing to do with beeing important to the story. Its just a cover of a volume, not the cover of the whole manga, so its says exactly nothing. Also we already know how the whole chapter 615 moment turned out. Romantic intention from hinata, not naruto. 616 showed this even more.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 08:56 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Apr 1 2013, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes its a highlight and something special in the volume, but has nothing to do with beeing important to the story. Its just a cover of a volume, not the cover of the whole manga, so its says exactly nothing. Also we already know how the whole chapter 615 moment turned out. Romantic intention from hinata, not naruto. 616 showed this even more.


616 isn't an excuse. The chapter after that (617) shows Hinata supporting Naruto again. Meaning, Kishi didn't forget about Naruhina.
Like I and AzureWaters said, it was more of a fandom disappointment. They expected more and we braced for more. It doesn't take away what happened in 615. The cover proves that (it covers chapters 608 - 617). Naruto holding Hinata's hand is emphasized alot. That's all I'm saying.

We have to wait for Sakura. I know she will keep her promise and fight along side Naruto.


NARUTO X SAKURA


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Posted 01 April 2013 - 09:06 PM

QUOTE (AnimeGirl_123 @ Apr 1 2013, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
616 isn't an excuse. The chapter after that (617) shows Hinata supporting Naruto again. Meaning, Kishi didn't forget about Naruhina.
Like I and AzureWaters said, it was more of a fandom disappointment. They expected more and we braced for more. It doesn't take away what happened in 615. The cover proves that (it covers chapters 608 - 617). Naruto holding Hinata's hand is emphasized alot. That's all I'm saying.

We have to wait for Sakura. I know she will keep her promise and fight along side Naruto.

617 only shows hinatas hand pushing in narutos shoulder in one panel. It has nothing to do with NH. The panel make sakuras absence obvious and its also likly that this is what kishi wanted to show to the readers.
616 shows again that naruto doesnt seem to have any special feelings for hinata and 617 changes nothing on that. Chapter 615 and 617 have nothing that can be seen as something NH related since theres no idication that naruto has feelings for hinata.


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Posted 01 April 2013 - 09:31 PM

QUOTE (AnimeGirl_123 @ Apr 1 2013, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's not just them, I agree. But they are the center of attention; out of every moment Kishi could have chose he chose them holding hands. I really thought we got spared of that when 616 came out and Sasuke stole the color pages. Unfortunately we weren't. I think of covers with Narusaku and they never had that, they didn't get their hug or any real physical contact on covers.

I'm seeing alot of people being hypocritical because of the "it means something" reactions to Road To Ninja, technically filler/non-canon, compared to this (drawn by Kishimoto, in the manga) and how it means nothing.

SAKURA is the HEROINE. She will always be. I get that she didn't have a role in this volume. I'd like a cover with her and Naruto that's not just them being the main characters for once.

Yes, they are the center of attention. But, the other characteristics of this cover, what do they give to you ?. I get it with that he putted them holding hands, but you need to see also how they are and what are their reactions. These are things that you have to look at, and not just take hand holding of two characters, and that's it even if he putted them out of anything else.

You need to see the overall.

She had appeared in covers before with Naruto. Your specific wish maybe will come true in the future.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 10:29 PM

QUOTE (BabyVee @ Apr 1 2013, 12:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I know I said I would leave but I decided to leave on an even better note! Here'a a bigger version of the cover of volume 64



No smiling and they are both staring at Neji? Are all worries gone now? hope so! Bye!



Zombie Phoenix Neji: "I believe I can flyyyyy~~~ I believe I can touch the skyyyyy~~~"

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 11:02 PM

QUOTE (K9ofChaos @ Apr 1 2013, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Zombie Phoenix Neji: "I believe I can flyyyyy~~~ I believe I can touch the skyyyyy~~~"


why did I laugh at that?? laugh.gif

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 11:10 PM

QUOTE (merryGOflava @ Apr 1 2013, 06:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
why did I laugh at that?? laugh.gif


You're not the only one... I'm sure someone else did as well. tongue.gif I bet you thought I was gonna say I did eh? cool.gif Nope!

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:21 AM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Apr 1 2013, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
617 only shows hinatas hand pushing in narutos shoulder in one panel. It has nothing to do with NH. The panel make sakuras absence obvious and its also likly that this is what kishi wanted to show to the readers.
616 shows again that naruto doesnt seem to have any special feelings for hinata and 617 changes nothing on that. Chapter 615 and 617 have nothing that can be seen as something NH related since theres no idication that naruto has feelings for hinata.


616 doesn't show Naruto having special feelings for Hinata, but I consider 615 a major hint towards it being a possibility. Keyword is possible: I still firmly believe Naruto loves Sakura. That doesn't mean Kishimoto can't develop Naruhina because he's certainly pushing it hard right now.

OK, lets agree to disagree.

QUOTE (T XD @ Apr 1 2013, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, they are the center of attention. But, the other characteristics of this cover, what do they give to you ?. I get it with that he putted them holding hands, but you need to see also how they are and what are their reactions. These are things that you have to look at, and not just take hand holding of two characters, and that's it even if he putted them out of anything else.

You need to see the overall.

She had appeared in covers before with Naruto. Your specific wish maybe will come true in the future.


I suppose so. I just wish it wasn't the main thing. I wanted it to be Neji and Hinata and the Hyuugas if anything. dry.gif


NARUTO X SAKURA


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:29 AM

QUOTE (StriderC @ Apr 1 2013, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're not the only one... I'm sure someone else did as well. tongue.gif I bet you thought I was gonna say I did eh? cool.gif Nope!


admit it!! rawr.gif

nice to see everyone is calm again happy.gif

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:42 AM

QUOTE (AnimeGirl_123 @ Apr 1 2013, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I suppose so. I just wish it wasn't the main thing. I wanted it to be Neji and Hinata and the Hyuugas if anything. dry.gif

But it is. That's the whole point of the cover, it brings closure to the Naruto/Hinata/Neji subplot from way back in the chunin exams.

Neji finally breaks out of his mental birdcage by understanding the power of free will and Hinata is able to get the acknowledgment from Naruto that she always wanted by him holding her hand.

The imagery of this volume cover symbolizes the closure of both Hyuugas, plus a sneak peak of the super powered alliance and the Juubi. All of those are the highlights of the volume. It's all very fitting when you think about it.

Regardless of whether Naruto and Hinata are looking at each other or at Neji, or whether Kishi could've chosen this cover as the beginning of the NH romance, the general mood of the cover is about Naruto and Hinata obtaining the resolve to keep on fighting despite their sadness and make Neji's sacrifice mean something.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:28 AM

^ I didn't even think of that.
It does bring back closure to the Chunin exams subplot.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 04:01 AM

I'm not gonna let the cover bug me, but I gonna admit Neji's Phoenix mode looks awesome, are we sure this isn't a Marvel crossover and Neji somehow got infected by the Phoenix Force? tongue.gif

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 06:58 AM

QUOTE (StriderC @ Apr 1 2013, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're not the only one... I'm sure someone else did as well. tongue.gif I bet you thought I was gonna say I did eh? cool.gif Nope!

You're right. It was me~ tongue.gif

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 07:41 AM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Apr 2 2013, 01:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're right. It was me~ tongue.gif


I can believe it. LOL You laugh at a lot of stuff. tongue.gif
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 10:17 AM

QUOTE (merryGOflava @ Apr 2 2013, 02:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
why did I laugh at that?? laugh.gif

You have another company sharing with you the same thought XD

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:36 PM

QUOTE (AnimeGirl_123 @ Apr 1 2013, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
616 doesn't show Naruto having special feelings for Hinata, but I consider 615 a major hint towards it being a possibility. Keyword is possible: I still firmly believe Naruto loves Sakura. That doesn't mean Kishimoto can't develop Naruhina because he's certainly pushing it hard right now.

OK, lets agree to disagree.



I suppose so. I just wish it wasn't the main thing. I wanted it to be Neji and Hinata and the Hyuugas if anything. dry.gif

You contradicted yourself there, you can you believe that Naruto loves Sakura if you say that 615 a major hint of this being a possibility doesnt make any sense.
If i would agree with that statement then Naruto doesnt love Sakura and his love is not genuine.
615 didnt show that and i even tried twisting that moment fo favours NaruHina and i still could not convince myself.

So agree to disagree.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:24 PM

QUOTE (K9ofChaos @ Apr 1 2013, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Zombie Phoenix Neji: "I believe I can flyyyyy~~~ I believe I can touch the skyyyyy~~~"

LOL hahaa,

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