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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

First off, as Moriarty said, I'm not a "young girl" I'm an adult. But even if I was young, why even say so? Not like I said "young boy" or "little boy" to you. Second, I never mentioned anything about anyone being wrong for disliking Hinata. Phantom and I were merely agreeing on the fact that everyone has the right to like whoever they want and shouldn't be criticized for it. I also have said that Hinata (like all characters) have their flaws. I have also said that I love her character despite these flaws. In no way am I saying Hinata is a perfect character. What makes me admire her is that she isn't perfect, but she's no longer letting that stop her. She has her issues with confidence, yet so does Naruto and Sakura. I have no qualms against them for that either. Sakura has had her selfish, not-so-good moments either but that hasn't made me turn against her.

And as I've said time and time again Don-Kun, Hinata does not only care about one character. She cares about Naruto most notably because her character is linked to him and he's her romantic interest. You know, like how Sakura is most notably known for her loving Sasuke. No, what makes her a great person is her personality and her attitude toward others. She is determined to prove herself, and yes Naruto acknowledging her is important to her. He happens to be the main character and she happens to love him. Does that make her a bad person?

Maybe to those who don't want her with Naruto, but that still doesn't make her a bad person in general, just to the small masses who hate her for 'stealing the spotlight.' I've seen Hinata care about others. She cared about Kiba when he was fighting Naruto, she cared about gaining back her fathers respect, she cares about her comrades and Kurenai. Team 8 is neglected in general and since Hinata is part of that team, unfortunately we don't get to see much of her relationship with them, but you can't demand everything be on screen for it to count.

I do agree that he loved Sasuke so much that he chose him over his clan. Not to mention his clan was planning a coup which could have begun a battle, so of course Itachi chose that route. He had the intelligence of a Hokage at age seven.

Again, you can't just decide Hinata is selfish and only cares about Naruto because we haven't seen her bond with other people. I'd understand if Hinata was shown to clearly lack care for anyone who wasn't Naruto. Such as cheering Naruto on in the Chuunin exams despite Kiba being her teammate (she didn't do this) or if before she helped him with Pain, her words were "If Naruto dies, I'll never get the chance with him!" (she didn't do this either seeing as by sacrificing herself, she wouldn't have gotten the chance anyhow.)

But she didn't do these things. She showed care for others as well as Naruto. The speech she gave to him in 615? Hinata is not selfish, nor does she only care about Naruto. This is a skewed opinion cooked up by the fact that Kishi neglects Team 8 and therefore Hinata's other bonds are placed in the background as a result. This is Kishi's fault, not Hinata's.

You say Hinata is only concerned about being equal and holding his hand, but you forget who did the hand holding; it was Naruto. Yes, Hinata's words in 573 were that "she'd always been chasing him, but after the war she's going to stop once and for all." She plans on walking side by side, holding his hand." But Naruto held her hand, and during the war. But we all know that doesn't mean Naruto only cares about hand-holding. And again, Hinata mentioning him holding her hand is something I can accept for the mere fact that this is Naruto the boy she's in love with just held her hand. You know, Hinata the girl who used to faint when he was just standing in front of her? Yeah, I can let her little comment slide because this is the first time this has happened to her, not to mention that they are facing a large Juubi and the most powerful Uchiha in the world. Hinata is frightened, but she 'feels safe' with Naruto's hand holding hers. Why is that wrong?

I don't "only care about the pairing." I care about the way my pairing looks. If I thought NaruHina was going to end up together in a terrible way, I'd rather them be with other people than ruin the good of the pairing. But I do not feel that NaruHina is being treated terribly. In fact, I think Kishi has been doing a very good job with what he has to give them a pretty good relationship. Now obviously we'll have our differences of opinions with this, but I'm not arguing pairings here, I'm arguing Hinata's character.



I disliked Part I Sakura when I first began watching it (I used to only watch the anime) and they tended to overexaggerate Sakura when it came to her attitude. I've looked back since then and while yes, she was a pain in the butt sometimes, I also noticed her progress and that's what made me like her. There are a lot of people who hate her still because they are stuck on Part I Sakura, but I'm not one of those people. As I said before, I can appreciate a character despite their flaws.

AU Hinata is from RTN. She is filler and if people like her, well whatever. She might as well be fodder. Normal Hinata isn't being excused. She isn't the terrible person you like to make her out to be.

I also don't believe one should live their life for one person (not just because they might not want you, but because it's unhealthy.) But I also don't believe she is devoting herself to only one person, nor can any of us be certain that Naruto will reject her. We can only guess and speculate at this point because we have no confirmation of his feelings. That's why neither NH nor NS can boast about it being canon, despite the chances. We don't have confirmation on Naruto's feelings for either girl.

Hinata didn't jump in to fight Pain because she can't "stand living without him." That doesn't make any sense to say as:

1. She wouldn't know if Naruto would reject her or not as she hadn't even confessed at that point yet

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2. Hinata wanted to save him because she loves him and can't stand seeing him hurt

The fact that she knew she was no match for him and still stood against him proves her dedication, bravery and selflessness.

Well Don-kun, I'd also appreciate it if you didn't belittle me with things such as "little girl" and refrain from labeling me as "just another this or that." I find it unnecessary and to be honest, a tad bit rude.

bolded : she admitted she was selfish unless you're talking about the anime because you pretty much mixed ANIME HINATA with MANGA HINATA.
Also bravery is not running into a fight that you cannot win this is called stubborness.

Response :

Finally, the sensitive topic: Her crush on Naruto... OK, here's something I dislike about Hinata when it comes to Naruto. Is not the fact that she loves him or not, but the fact that she is not thinking of his wishes and his dreams. Yes, she might support his dream of becoming stronger and eventually becomes Hokage, but I must ask: is she supporting the fact that Naruto loves Sakura? This is what creates controversy, but let's face it: Naruto loves Sakura. As such, Hinata's goal should be Naruto's happiness before her own. Now, taking her speech in chapter 573 into mind, I have to ask: when was she thinking of Naruto in her speech. No, I don't mean her name, I actually mean thinking of Naruto. Let's see her speech to show you what I mean:

"Naruto-kun. I've always been chasing you... even now. But... once this war ends, I'm going to stop once and for all. Next time, I'll be next to you, holding your hand, walking with you. Wait for me."

I must ask: when did she said that Naruto is having a tough battle and that she is going to support him? When did she said that he needs to be careful and that he should not be reckless in battle, taking all the tasks for himself (and I'm not thinking abotu Sakura's speech here. I'm actually thinking about Itachi's speech)? She is not thinking about him in this speech. She is only thinking about what she wants, and this is what actually makes my opinion about her to become an opinion that is not good. You can even go to every other character speech in this chapter and in one way or another, most of then wish Naruto to be OK and are ready to support him. My opinion gets an ever more solid base when we touch chapter 615. Yes, she did give him a great support speech, but she ends up thinking about how "she" feels safe holding Naruto's hand. She needs to stop thinking about herself and actually think about Naruto's wishes in order to make her development a good one.

So overall, she is a good character (if we compare the side characters, she has had a considerable screen time when compare to other characters like Shino and Ten Ten), but she has to overcome a few hurdles (1-Her low self-confidence, 2-Her vision about Naruto and 3-The support to make the man she loves happy; something that other Moe characters have overcome in their respective series: like Shinobu Maehara, Inoue Orihime and Teletha "Tessa" Testarossa) to go from an OK character to a good character.

Deal with It.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 30 March 2013 - 08:57 PM.

[HauntedCake]

In fairness Hinata did admit she was being selfish when she jumped to defend Naruto against pain.

Edited by HauntedCake, 30 March 2013 - 08:56 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

Seems I jumped out and went on vacation at just the right time. Seeing how over the past week things went south fast.

Hinata.....how can I put this?.....Naruto is not good for her or her character. Yeah she love him, but this loves for him keeps her back from reaching much higher in development. The fact that she continues to center around Naruto and literally "feed" off Naruto's essence is what is so bad. Without Naruto, she has nothing...which is sad.

I agree with some here when they say she is a character with wasted potential simply because she is too focused on Naruto.

[StrikerTheNoble]

Seems I jumped out and went on vacation at just the right time. Seeing how over the past week things went south fast.

Hinata.....how can I put this?.....Naruto is not good for her or her character. Yeah she love him, but this loves for him keeps her back from reaching much higher in development. The fact that she continues to center around Naruto and literally "feed" off Naruto's essence is what is so bad. Without Naruto, she has nothing...which is sad.

I agree with some here when they say she is a character with wasted potential simply because she is too focused on Naruto.

^^THIS.

That is how you describe Hinata.

Also might I add that I PERSONALY have given more development to Hinata in the Dialog corner than even the anime has. Yes Its negative development but its something.

[Pink Chidori]

You're just repeating because you cant even accept the obvious you're just crying.

I'm repeating because it seems that you did not read my previous posts. And trust me, I'm far from crying. I don't take these things to heart you see, it's just a manga.

Context does help me actually. I cannot be blamed for your inability to understand what I'm trying to say. Of course she knew, and yet she did it anyhow with the hope that she could help rescue the man she loves.

Hinata also was the one to jump in front of Naruto in 614. But Neji jumped in front of her to protect her. Hinata has placed her life on the line twice to save him, you know it and I know it.


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Edited by Pink Chidori, 30 March 2013 - 10:12 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I've repeated myself time and time again, so after this I won't do it again. Either read my posts or don't respond to me.
I know what Hinata said. She said "I'm just being selfish."

But again:

1. Having a selfish moment is no reason to hate one character in particular when other characters you like have shown signs of selfishness because otherwise, it's hypocritical.

and

2. You're ignoring context. Hinata said she was being selfish, I'm not denying that. But the irony of that statement was the context of the scene. The fact that she was sacrificing her life to save him and thus help the village. A selfish person wouldn't do that. She said she was being selfish because her love for him is the reason she ignored his request and came to save him anyway. That's why she said she was being selfish.

But risking your life to save someone you love is not selfish. It was reckless of her to jump in, and even if I concede that she was being selfish in that moment, that still doesn't mean anything different about her character because as I said before, Hinata is not the only character who has had a selfish moment in this manga. Hating a character for having a selfish moment is not a reasonable argument against her character.

Lastly, that "deal with it" is unappreciated. Don't take that kind of attitude if you're going to respond to me.

You're just repeating because you cant even accept the obvious you're just crying.

Even the context does not help you.
She knew she could not defeat Pain,
Also this is not even a sacrifice because pain would get Naruto anyway, a sacrifice is when you give away your life to prevent something like Neji did.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 30 March 2013 - 10:05 PM.

[Baguette]

You're just repeating because you cant even accept the obvious you're just crying.

Even the context does not help you.
She knew she could not defeat Pain,
Also this is not even a sacrifice because pain would get Naruto anyway, a sacrifice is when you give away your life to prevent something like Neji did.

While I agree with some of your points, don't you think you're acting like a prick right now? Seriously, stop insulting PinkChidori when she has been nothing but respectful with her posts.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

While I agree with some of your points, don't you think you're acting like a prick right now? Seriously, stop insulting PinkChidori when she has been nothing but respectful with her posts.

I'll just take her advice an do not respond she keep insisting on the fact we all talked earlier.
And also dont see the whole debate premise when none of the sides reach an agreement.
She will never change the way she thinks and also the others dont, everyone give their two cents and she still keep insisting she does not even follow her own advice if she tells someome that disagree with her to not respond she should not even be here at first place.

Second when she said "you're ignoring the context" on all my posts and also other's users talked about this context and she agains bring up this like we didnt even talked about that.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 30 March 2013 - 10:15 PM.

[Awes9]

I've repeated myself time and time again, so after this I won't do it again. Either read my posts or don't respond to me.
I know what Hinata said. She said "I'm just being selfish."

But again:

1. Having a selfish moment is no reason to hate one character in particular when other characters you like have shown signs of selfishness because otherwise, it's hypocritical.

and

2. You're ignoring context. Hinata said she was being selfish, I'm not denying that. But the irony of that statement was the context of the scene. The fact that she was sacrificing her life to save him and thus help the village. A selfish person wouldn't do that. She said she was being selfish because her love for him is the reason she ignored his request and came to save him anyway. That's why she said she was being selfish.

But risking your life to save someone you love is not selfish. It was reckless of her to jump in, and even if I concede that she was being selfish in that moment, that still doesn't mean anything different about her character because as I said before, Hinata is not the only character who has had a selfish moment in this manga. Hating a character for having a selfish moment is not a reasonable argument against her character.

Lastly, that "deal with it" is unappreciated. Don't take that kind of attitude if you're going to respond to me.

But she wasn't sacrificing herself to save Naruto, she knew she was no match for Pain but she wanted to tell Naruto her feelings before dying that's why she said she was selfish because all she wanted to do was confess, she was of no help and she knew that. That doesn't make her a selfish character tough as some are trying to argue.

Edited by Awes9, 30 March 2013 - 10:13 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I'm repeating because it seems that you did not read my previous posts. And trust me, I'm far from crying. I don't take these things to heart you see, it's just a manga.

Context does help me actually. I cannot be blamed for your inability to understand what I'm trying to say. Of course she knew, and yet she did it anyhow with the hope that she could help rescue the man she loves.

Hinata also was the one to jump in front of Naruto in 614. But Neji jumped in front of her to protect her. Hinata has placed her life on the line twice to save him, you know it and I know it.


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I read all your post and you keep insisting on the same thing over and over again.
Even shadowwolf, Don-Kun and all the others talked about this fact and instead of analyzing what htey said you come with this again, and then pull out "either read my posts or do not respond" if i didnt read your post i would not be responding and again, you keep insisting on the same thing, if a person disagrees with you and you tells her to not respond i dont know why are you here at first place no one agree with you and instead of refuting the points which i posted several times and you just simply ignored.
Moreover when you said about 614 what this has to do with my points and my posts you're only proving that for her Naruto si everything show me a chapter where she jumps in front of Neji to save him?
You just entered on a contradiction, you tried to prove that she wasnt selfish and Naruto centered but did the opposite.
Which is the whole point of this thread.
NH fans trying to prove that Hinata is not Naruto centered and selfless and NS fans proving that she's Naruto centered and selfish.

@Baquette you're right i posted without thinking i should not had put that line, but my point was not to insult but enforce the way she posted.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 30 March 2013 - 10:29 PM.

[Pink Chidori]

But she wasn't sacrificing herself to save Naruto, she knew she was no match for Pain but she wanted to tell Naruto her feelings before dying that's why she said she was selfish because all she wanted to do was confess, she was of no help and she knew that. That doesn't make her a selfish character tough as some are trying to argue.

This is all well and good...

But Hinata confessed her feelings knowing that right after, she would fight Pain. She also knew she was no match for Pain, which to me, says that although she confessed her feelings to Naruto, her dying means that she will never get a chance to hear what his response might have been. She'd never have the chance to be with him.

But her confessing wasn't said for the purpose of finally getting with him.

It was said for the simple reason that she knew by jumping in and facing such a powerful opponent, that she may never get the chance to say what she always felt but could never tell him. This was her final chance. Now, while she's out their fighting, she decided to tell Naruto the truth.

She does this because even though she said "she's just being selfish" it was Naruto who didn't take that as a proper answer. Naruto is the one who said "what are you talking about?! What are you doing here, it's dangerous!" He didn't take her "being selfish" as a reason for risking her life for him.

Now this is the way I see it. You can disagree if you wish, but this is what I think: Naruto didn't want anyone out there because he didn't want to feel responsible for anyone's lives. But by confessing, Hinata released him of that responsibility. He now knows she is doing this of her own free will. She's doing it because she loves him.

I read all your post and you keep insisting on the same thing over and over again.
Even shadowwolf, Don-Kun and all the others talked about this fact and instead of analyzing what htey said you come with this again, and then pull out "either read my posts or do not respond" if i didnt read your post i would not be responding and again, you keep insisting on the same thing, if a person disagrees with you and you tells her to not respond i dont know why are you here at first place no one agree with you and instead of refuting the points which i posted several times and you just simply ignored.
Moreover when you said about 614 what this has to do with my points and my posts you're only proving that for her Naruto si everything show me a chapter where she jumps in front of Neji to save him?
You just entered on a contradiction, you tried to prove that she wasnt selfish and Naruto centered but did the opposite.
Which is the whole point of this thread.
NH fans trying to prove that Hinata is not Naruto centered and selfless and NS fans proving that she's Naruto centered and selfish.

The problem isn't just me and NH fans, like you seem to be making it out to be. It's everyone who refuses to budge even a little on their own hard-seated opinions. If nobody is willing to budge, then there's no point in debating. Even if I conceded that Hinata had a selfish moment in 437, it doesn't change a thing about the fact that I still don't hate her for it, and in my eyes, she is still not an overall selfish, inconsiderate character.

Edited by Pink Chidori, 30 March 2013 - 10:38 PM.

[tricksie]

Monitoring this thread....

No bashing of characters or other community members. If you disagree with the posts here, I strongly suggest you ignore this thread. It will either loose steam or be closed (depending on the continuing tone of the posts).

As for our community, I think it speaks volumes about H&E that the collective responses to this well-worn topic are honest and serious. We try to be fair to all ships here, and most of the posts reflect that. Kudos, guys.

There are some who are gettting testy...and again, if you feel so strongly I would just avoid this thread. I promise you there is no new information here. And this thread is not worth getting into to trouble with the mods over.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

But she wasn't sacrificing herself to save Naruto, she knew she was no match for Pain but she wanted to tell Naruto her feelings before dying that's why she said she was selfish because all she wanted to do was confess, she was of no help and she knew that. That doesn't make her a selfish character tough as some are trying to argue.

This is not the part that make her selfish it's about other's thing it is as whole, no one is saying that omg on Pain's arc it's were Hinata is selfish.
She was selfish when she decided to give an ointment to Naruto instead of Kiba who was on a bad state, she was selfish when instead of thinking about her clan she's actually thinking about Naruto, she's selfish when everyone was thinking about naruto being OK and to support him while Hinata said that she was going to stop chasing him and hold his hand and walk together, she was selfish when on the pain's arc she jumped just to confess instead of helping Naruto, why she didnt take out the rods? and so on...
I said that when Kishimoto is finnaly going to despict Hinata as selfless he pulls back that development, tell me about 615 she would be great if wasnt the comment on Naruto's hand while Naruto was thinking about Neji on his mind.
She didnt even thanked Neji come on.
It's as whole not just one scene.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 30 March 2013 - 10:43 PM.

[Don-kun]

You're just repeating because you cant even accept the obvious you're just crying.

Even the context does not help you.
She knew she could not defeat Pain,
Also this is not even a sacrifice because pain would get Naruto anyway, a sacrifice is when you give away your life to prevent something like Neji did.

Even when you feel you're right, when you speak like that no one takes you opinion seriously even if you are right, in a forum like NF you will get nothing but neg, always keep this is mind is not what you say is how you say it.



@Pink Chidori
I don't want to sound like a jerk but I need to let you know that I'm not a fan of reading huge wall text that aren't related to NS, Naruto, Sakura or the manga plot.

With that said let agree to disagree and move on.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Even when you feel you're right, when you speak like that no one takes you opinion seriously even if you are right, in a forum like NF you will get nothing but neg, always keep this is mind is not what you say is how you say it.

This was already been resolved i got out of words to express and ended up saying something that i didnt wanted to say, i'm not too good with english.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 30 March 2013 - 10:45 PM.

[Pink Chidori]

This is not the part that make her selfish it's about other's thing it is as whole, no one is saying that omg on Pain's arc it's were Hinata is selfish.

She was selfish when she decided to give an ointment to Naruto instead of Kiba who was on a bad state, she was selfish when instead of thinking about her clan she's actually thinking about Naruto, she's selfish when everyone was thinking about naruto being OK and to support him while Hinata said that she was going to stop chasing him and hold his hand and walk together, she was selfish when on the pain's arc she jumped just to confess instead of helping Naruto, why she didnt take out the rods? and so on...

I said that when Kishimoto is finnaly going to despict Hinata as selfless he pulls back that development, tell me about 615 she would be great if wasnt the comment on Naruto's hand while Naruto was thinking about Neji on his mind.
She didnt even thanked Neji come on. It's as whole not just one scene.

1. You don't know what Hinata did after giving ointment to Naruto. You can't tell me she didn't because you don't have a clue.

2. How is she not thinking about her clan but she's thinking about Naruto? Also, her clan didn't seem to care much for her when her own father left her to Kurenai and didn't care whether or not she died.

3. Yes, Naruto is someone she loves. After the war, she said she's going to stop chasing him. Why? Because now that she's confessed, and they had the "In Your Eyes" conversation, she feels confident. How is that selfish?

4. Her hand comment, as I said before isn't a reason to hate her either, or get all up in arms calling her selfish when she isn't.

5. I'm sure she's very thankful to Neji. She gave an entire speech that centered around reminding Naruto of Neji's sacrifice and such.

Yeah, I'm done arguing this because you find her actions during these moments selfish, I do not. You're right, nothing is going to change so why bother. As for Don-Kun, I understand lol. No worries.

Edited by Pink Chidori, 30 March 2013 - 10:47 PM.

[Gravenimage]

Seems I jumped out and went on vacation at just the right time. Seeing how over the past week things went south fast.

Hinata.....how can I put this?.....Naruto is not good for her or her character. Yeah she love him, but this loves for him keeps her back from reaching much higher in development. The fact that she continues to center around Naruto and literally "feed" off Naruto's essence is what is so bad. Without Naruto, she has nothing...which is sad.

I agree with some here when they say she is a character with wasted potential simply because she is too focused on Naruto.

This^ pretty much agree with you James.

Pink chidori@

That's just it the times when Kishimoto brings Hinata up in the manga in those panels she's ALWAYS thinking of Naruto. It's all about Naruto" Naruto-kun this and Naruto-kun that" there isn't a single panel in the manga where she's thinking about the future or well-being of her clan (she know's very well about the hatred between the main and second branch but she doesn't do a thing about it like she doesn't care and it's important that she shows concern for that because she's the "heiress of the clan"). There isn't a panel where she's thinking about the well-being of the village or her teammates nothing, zip, zero nada. When she appears her thoughts and her speech is always centered around Naruto. If Kishimoto keeps showing Hinata like that in his manga then the only thing or message he's trying to show to the reader is that her entire character resolves only on Naruto. Tell me since the fourth shinobi war arc started the chapters when Hinata's shown is she thinking or talking about winning this war for the sake of their village or the entire world??? Don't think so the first time she appears in the battle field there's a panel where she tells Shino" this is a war to protect NARUTO" when the original purpose of the war was to protect both Naruto and Bee as jinchurikki There we go once again Kishimoto shows Naruto is the only thing in her head and as the arc resumes, the chapters go on and she appears once more her thoughts and speech are about Naruto. Till the time he saved her and eventually leading to 615. Has Hinata actually thought what's at stake in this war??? Does she know the fate of the shinobi world is at stake??? Does she know they're fighting to defeat two evil villains to protect their world??? NO Is she fighting this war to protect only Naruto??? Yes screw her village, her friends and the entire world as long as Naruto is all right it's fine with her.

Edited by Gravenimage, 30 March 2013 - 11:10 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

1. You don't know what Hinata did after giving ointment to Naruto. You can't tell me she didn't because you don't have a clue.

2. How is she not thinking about her clan but she's thinking about Naruto? Also, her clan didn't seem to care much for her when her own father left her to Kurenai and didn't care whether or not she died.

3. Yes, Naruto is someone she loves. After the war, she said she's going to stop chasing him. Why? Because now that she's confessed, and they had the "In Your Eyes" conversation, she feels confident. How is that selfish?

4. Her hand comment, as I said before isn't a reason to hate her either, or get all up in arms calling her selfish when she isn't.

5. I'm sure she's very thankful to Neji. She gave an entire speech that centered around reminding Naruto of Neji's sacrifice and such.

Yeah, I'm done arguing this because you find her actions during these moments selfish, I do not. You're right, nothing is going to change so why bother.

Well so let's go back and do things right.

About the first : we should not count "offscreen development" because things like this doesn't exist, Kishimoto never did offscreen development or relies into something like that, Hinata give the ointment to Naruto instead of Kiba.
because i could also claim a lot of offscreen stuff like saying Sakura already fully loves Naruto.

2-: the only part when she thought about her clan was when she said "i'm the heir of the hyuuga clan and it's my duty to protect you" that was the part that i thought "now she's going to develop into something would not be so Naruto centered and will grow up" Not being Naruto centered has nothing to do with not loving him anymore, then it was the point that kishimoto could make her start to lead her clan into battle do things that Neji was doing but when the war arc started what happened is that she was still the same, Neji was leading her clan and a "filler" guy got introduced to do this role if Neji dies.
She's the heir of her clan would not be a development if she start to do things that the heir should do, look at chouji as example.

3- This in your eyes has nothing to with romantic stuff or pairing hint he just replied what Hinata told him, also the whole "stop chasing him" it's because back when Naruto told her that she was strong and all she said that she wanted to be strong to protect Naruto, again Naruto was the solely reason for her to be strong not her clan, family or even the village.
Then she said i'll stop chasing because she cant become strong she accept her current power level and nothing else.
The whole holding your hand and and walking with you is not like she's going to do that after the war it's because she said "after the war i'll stop chasing but the next time she would do that" then the hold your hand and walk with you become 615, walking with you it's the same as fighting together which is even stated by Shikaramu's father on the pain arc with "he makes want to walk with him".

4- the hand comment is not the reason to hate her but one of the reasons, Naruto used that moment to thank Neji and instead of Hinata using that moment when she could think her thought was about Naruto's hand instead of thanking Neji like Naruto did, she would get over her whole "naruto centered mind".

5- offpanel again, Naruto was thankfull because we could see him being like that instead of Hinata who was doing the speech and the screentime she had ot display the moment we got "Naruto's hand is so big and strong S2"

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 30 March 2013 - 10:58 PM.

[Awes9]

This is all well and good...

But Hinata confessed her feelings knowing that right after, she would fight Pain. She also knew she was no match for Pain, which to me, says that although she confessed her feelings to Naruto, her dying means that she will never get a chance to hear what his response might have been. She'd never have the chance to be with him.

But her confessing wasn't said for the purpose of finally getting with him.

It was said for the simple reason that she knew by jumping in and facing such a powerful opponent, that she may never get the chance to say what she always felt but could never tell him. This was her final chance. Now, while she's out their fighting, she decided to tell Naruto the truth.

She does this because even though she said "she's just being selfish" it was Naruto who didn't take that as a proper answer. Naruto is the one who said "what are you talking about?! What are you doing here, it's dangerous!" He didn't take her "being selfish" as a reason for risking her life for him.

Now this is the way I see it. You can disagree if you wish, but this is what I think: Naruto didn't want anyone out there because he didn't want to feel responsible for anyone's lives. But by confessing, Hinata released him of that responsibility. He now knows she is doing this of her own free will. She's doing it because she loves him.



The problem isn't just me and NH fans, like you seem to be making it out to be. It's everyone who refuses to budge even a little on their own hard-seated opinions. If nobody is willing to budge, then there's no point in debating. Even if I conceded that Hinata had a selfish moment in 437, it doesn't change a thing about the fact that I still don't hate her for it, and in my eyes, she is still not an overall selfish, inconsiderate character.

I'm not saying she's selfish, I don't think she is selfish but I can understand why people would think so and the reason is because Kishi did a bad job she' s not supposed to be seen as selfish but the fact she is so obssessed with Naruto make some people think she is.
I was just responding to your post saying she did it to save Naruto which is wrong, she did it to confess because she knew she wouldn't have an other chance, not to save Naruto. Confessing under the circumstances was selfish, nothing to do with her wanting to have a relationship with Naruto and I don't know where did you get that from my post. Hope I was clear this time around.

Edited by Awes9, 30 March 2013 - 11:21 PM.

[Moriarty]

In fairness Hinata did admit she was being selfish when she jumped to defend Naruto against pain.

For someone who suffers from low self-esteem nothing new to say a thing like that. A bit unsure maybe. Might be selfish, or perhaps stepping over the line may be too much for someone in her position.