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[PhenixElite]

Holy s***, This is such a nice theory!!!

My only fear is that she can't learn it now ... there is no time left for that.

maybe she already knows how to use it but was waiting for the right time to use?!

It's the only way I can see her gaining such a power up right now...


..and there goes my desire to not let my hopes high...

Honestly if itachi can give sasuke his powers just by touching him, why cant tsuande do the same thing with sakura.

[六道仙人]

Hashirama judged Madara as a smart one... I doubt that Hashirama was more talented of Madara... That rockes throwing doesn't mean still nothing...

[sushi.]

Naruto used like..3 days? To gain sage mode? If it's true, it will have to be a flashback. I wouldn't like it if Sakura got power-ups off-panel, but we've got no other choice, and he killed the Kages off-panel so how far can he go.

If she learned it, I think it happened when Tsunade was in coma. I really want her desire to protect Naruto to be more practical and not only mental.

Hashirama judged Madara as a smart one... I doubt that Hashirama was more talented of Madara... That rockes throwing doesn't mean still nothing...

It's symbolism. Besides, I bet my head that Hashirama worked much harder than Madara. If Hashirama was in the same case as Naruto, he was weak, found something to protect, and became strong because he never gave up.

Edited by sushi., 20 February 2013 - 02:21 PM.

[redragon88]

Madara is behind Hashirama but in this fight they are equals, the combo bijudama + chakra sword reached the other shore whereas when they were young only Hashirama' stone reached the other side of the lake. Not sure if I was clear but the symbolism is obvious.

And you point is?

When Sasuke and Naruto fought in the valley of the end they also fought as equal. I really don't know what you're attempting to argue here.

[Inferno180]

Liked this chapter, we can see where the origins of the Harshirama and Madara began and how they split to achieve what they wanted.

Yes it is a Naruto and Sasuke parallel but thats the point, ignore pairing stuff for now, this portion of the story is Sasuke getting his asnwer for his goal and the origins of the Harshirama and Madara, its important for this to occur right now. Sadly the next few weeks may be flashback content, then we return to the present, I feel the story will occur like this:

Sasuke gets his answer but does not reveal it, only saying I know what to do now
Ororchimaru takes the 4 hokage to battle, Jugo and Suigestsu follow, they run into Karin who broke out of jail in the leaf
Seeing Orchimaru alive, Karin resolves to help him but stay away from Sasuke however for the sake of the reader she will note how his "chakra is much different than before."
We see the fate of the other kages
Back on the battlefront with the ten tails, its not clear but we will see what Sakura and Sai have been up too, what Sakura reacted to in 615, etc.
Something bad will happen with the ten tails, it will either lose control or for the time being Madara or Obito of all people orders a tactical retreat to let the ten tails mature and then bring Obito to use the Rinne Tensi to make things bad for the world.

Thats how I see this unfolding.

[Weltall]

Hashirama judged Madara as a smart one... I doubt that Hashirama was more talented of Madara... That rockes throwing doesn't mean still nothing...

He was more talented than Madara. Again look at the symbolism hashi notes that the sword reaches the other side of the shore and Madara tells him he's not the same as before a clear reflection to the last scene where only Hashirama's stone reaches the other side.

[Tsubaki]

someone pointed out that about that theory:

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- Fancy Wood Hill !!
- Humid Bone Forest !!

Seeing Hashirama using his wood with the sage art it means its the Fancy Wood Hill !!

Tsunade has no wood and neither Sakura !!

[Weltall]

And you point is?

When Sasuke and Naruto fought in the valley of the end they also fought as equal. I really don't know what you're attempting to argue here.

I'm not trying to argue anything I am just giving credit to your theory that Hashirama has the edge during the majority of their life because it is clearly implied in the chapter. I don't see where I'm arguing.

[Chatte]

someone pointed out that about that theory:

> --Click here to view--

- Fancy Wood Hill !!
- Humid Bone Forest !!

Seeing Hashirama using his wood with the sage art it means its the Fancy Wood Hill !!

Tsunade has no wood and neither Sakura !!

I know that guy, he is a Sakura hater there. He was the one calling me stupid because I am making theories about her and liking her.
The thing is, what people forget is that the Senju clan is know as the clan of 1000 jutsus.
So why not a Slug Sage?

[tricksie]

I smell a parallel coming....

Seriously, Konoha love love triangles have some serious direct and indirect consequences. So I'm guessing Mito enters in the equation somewhere. Either she loves Madara and he ignores her until it's too late or she scorns his love for Hashirama's. (But ignoring her until it's too late, undervaluing her worth until he sees he needs it (because she turns out to control the 9-tails) would be such an Uchiha thing to do!) Anyway...however it turns out, I smell another parallel coming!

For a peace-loving village, they sure hold some devastating grudges, you know?!

As for the symbol.... How can you think it's not tied to Sakura? Kishimoto could have put anything on Hashirama's forhead. A box with a check in it. A steaming bowl of noodles. And if he did, then we could expect a story bump for Teuchi and Ichirakus.

What I'm saying is the man loves clues, foreshadows and parallels. He could have put anything...but he put a sign that IS Sakura's symbol, minus one usual detail.

If this turns out to be some sort of slug contract, then the tie in might be that once Sakura inherits it, the symbol becoms complete for her. The circle gets the dot in it when it's activated.

Look at Tsunade when her regeneration jutsu is activated fully — diamond with swirls coming off her forehead and down around her cheeks.

So why couldn't Sakura inherit some justsu that functions in the same way, with her clan seal involved? A circumpunct circle/dot on the forehead, with swirls coming off her forehead and down her cheeks.

Makes sense to me. And Kishimoto would have a lot less explaining to do if Sakura got a sudden powerup, after the audience already knows where that particular power-up has come from.

Oh yeah...isn't it the picture where Sakura, Naruto and Sasuke are leaning against the wall and their clan symbols are above them? I think that her clan symbol is dot-within-a-circle there.

Oh and great, great post about the circumpunct, CynMichi! Really interesting!

[Tokura Misaki]

621 --Click here to view--

I like this chapter, especially the thousand hands. About the thousand hands, is that summoning or Mokuton?

[六道仙人]

someone pointed out that about that theory:

> --Click here to view--

- Fancy Wood Hill !!
- Humid Bone Forest !!

Seeing Hashirama using his wood with the sage art it means its the Fancy Wood Hill !!

Tsunade has no wood and neither Sakura !!

ehm, i wouldn't to delude him but the "Fancy wood Hill" (and it's minstralanted too LOL) is the translation of Myobokuzan rotfl

[rocci]

I know that guy, he is a Sakura hater there. He was the one calling me stupid because I am making theories about her and liking her.
The thing is, what people forget is that the Senju clan is know as the clan of 1000 jutsus.
So why not a Slug Sage?

Many people downplay slug sage because I believe they don't want sakura has power. So the Sikki-something is not the slug place, but a tengu place or hawk place. It's ridicoulus

[Chatte]

[QUOTE=Chatte;10427636]This:

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This:

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and now this:

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I mean...it's too much coincidence.
And Kishi said that after Kakashi, comes Sakura. Kakashi's story is going to soon be wrapped-up, so why is it so hard to believe that this is Sakura's time? Her time is coming?
On that god-like figure, it's only a circle, pretty much like Sakura's.
Also, the reference is this:



Goddess of mercy? Who is the most merciful person we know? That put herself in danger only for the desire to help the wounded, although there were 2 zetsus.
Sakura has been portrayed as merciful from the beginning so I wouldn't be so shocked ot see a huge power-up coming for her...

Edited by Chatte, 20 February 2013 - 02:40 PM.

[Weltall]

And you point is?

When Sasuke and Naruto fought in the valley of the end they also fought as equal. I really don't know what you're attempting to argue here.

http://www.mangapand...m/naruto/621/10
Hashirama : it reached the other shore
Madara : Hashirama it's been a long time since our last fight... I believe you realized how much I changed...
http://www.mangapand...m/naruto/621/17
Hashirama : currently we could say I'm your rival in playing stone skipping...
Mine got to the other side tough.

Do you understand my point now ?

Edited by Weltall, 20 February 2013 - 02:42 PM.

[六道仙人]

So Hashirama is a Naruto with talent and Madara is a idiot Sasuke? Sounds a strange parallel to me

[Chatte]

Not to mention we found out about each of Team 7 symbols... Sasuke's representing a fan, we have Madara with that fan, Uzumaki is with seals, whirlwinds etc, Rasenshuriken...but what about Sakura? So I pretty much believe this is leading to a story of her symbol.

[redragon88]

I'm not trying to argue anything I am just giving credit to your theory that Hashirama has the edge during the majority of their life because it is clearly implied in the chapter. I don't see where I'm arguing.

Oh! I see. I guess I misunderstood your wording. Sorry about that, and thanks for the credit.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, looks like we will have a flashback within a flashback. That said I find this chapter pretty nice. It certainly shows us possibly the highest level of a shinobi, so I find it pretty interesting. I like how more of mythology stuff is used in here. It seems their bonds was legit, but sadly, Madara's ambition was too much. It seems like he was annoyed that he mentioned about brother. It's definitely a parallel with a different outcome and reason; it's their bond and fate that will be repeated within new people.

Not much to say, but pretty fun to read and see. One last thing to say is that people in here has been bringing up these theory about Sakura's possible developments. While I haven't read one, it could be interesting theory; however, I will keep my expectation low in order to prevent my hype. I got to say though, it does feel rather convenience that we getting more of this before Sakura's shining moment, let alone this "Sakura's year" part hasn't happened yet.

[Jake]

Getting Rinnegan? I guess that if Sasuke mastered his EMS and achieved Perfect Susanoo, and awakened Rinnegan on top of that it would put him past EMS Madara level.

But what about "Modified" Madara (EMS, Perfect Susanoo, Rinnegan and Wood Release)


But what really does the Rinnegan bring to the table, I can't really see any advantage it would give Sasuke, especially since Naruto already knows all of the Rinnegan's powers, and the only techniques that we've seen that are effective are useless against Naruto in Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode or Biju Mode, Shinra Tensei, couldn't push away Naruto in his Six-Tailed Transformation, Chibaku Tensei, Itachi already told Naruto how to beat it, the Human path's soul removal ability requires that he get close to Naruto (who could swat him away with his tails, or Senjutsu chakra), and the Meteor drop Madara used, could probable be destroyed by a Tailed-Beast Ball.

This is one of the main reasons I don't see Sasuke with Rinnegan, and why would Sasuke want a power that Naruto already knows how to deal with, especially since Madara can't use his EMS techniques along with his Rinnegan techniques, plus the normal Mangekyo techniques seem to be more effective then the Rinnegan, just look at how Itachi was able to handle Nagato back in chapters 550-552.

I guess my point is that Naruto and Sasuke aren't supposed to be more powerful then Hashirama and Madara, and Biju Mode vs. Perfect Susanoo seems to be as powerful as they need to be, but I guess we'll just see.