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[Gravenimage]

Wow, NF crashed.

I wonder it will happen again with when NH is confirmed dead or when NS becomes canon? Something tells me it will happen again. Oh man.

Maybe the shocked of the chapter made the site crashed.

[sushi.]

wut it shut down because of this? Was it a fight? It crashed
because of the crazy fandom? And I wonder too, what will happen when NS becomes canon, they're all NH fans. XD

[Don-kun]

Why NF why?

The storm is so great that 2 forums are down NF and NB

Edited by NS means logic, 29 August 2012 - 03:50 PM.

[Derock]

Let's hold the NF crashing for now...

But... WTF?!!! When I first saw Obito's face on the 1st page, I immediately mentally screamed, "NOOOOOOOOOO!! No, no, NO!!! That theory couldn't be true..."

And although it was a nice flashback with Obito and Rin looking almost exactly like Naruto and Sakura in terms of facial expressions. But I'm following the fact that I'm guessing some of your theories can make sense but we gonna have to wait for the big 600 to find out.

[GlucoseGlutton]

wut it shut down because of this? Was it a fight? It crashed
because of the crazy fandom? And I wonder too, what will happen when NS becomes canon, they're all NH fans. XD

Many accounts will be deleted .... Or they might just rant (shrugs).

[TouKen4Life3g]

The only reason that the site crashed is because of the reveal. So yeah, stuff like this does happen in forums. For example, in gaming world, when a very hyped game gets a poor review or fails to meet the hype (like getting a 9 out of 10), people in forum goes nuts. This is my third time experiencing this.

So yeah, I got a bad feeling for the future. But yeah, let's put that on hold. In the meantime, I'm trying to put the whole puzzle in to see how and why Obito done all this. Obito seems like what if Naruto goes for cheats, as in ultimate genjutsu. It's like a shortcut, rather than hard work. You think Naruto and Obito will talk to each other after Kakashi does his talking. I believe Naruto is going to hear the whole conversation about them as a team, Rin, and how he becomes evil. It should be very interesting.

Btw, wouldn't it be funny that the reason NF crashed is because the parallel makes them think NS, which enraged them?

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 29 August 2012 - 04:01 PM.

[Daniee]

So Tobi had been manipulating the Hidden Mist behind the scenes at least as far back as when Zabuza (who was the same age as Kakashi) was in the academy, hence his "graduation exam."

And Kisame recognized Tobi in the present day as the same person as back then.

This is going to make absolutely no sense, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Okay, I'll reserve judgement until the next few chapters are out, but so far I don't like it. Not one bit, Kishimoto.

[redragon88]

I always thought that Team Minato was the most powerful and obvious parallel to compare Team 7, even more so than Team Sannin. This chapter just confirmed and augmented my believe on it.

It was pretty heart wrenching to see Obito suffer from his one sided crush on Rin, it really took a good part of the chapter. When I began reading I thought that his love was just gonna get a quick reference in one panel, but it was really focused on in all of the chapter. Kishi wants to make it a point that Obito's love for Rin will play a role in the next chapters to come.

I'm pretty sure that, whether Tobi's memories are of Obito or not, he's disappointed that Kakashi failed to protect Rin when he vowed to do so. Whoever Tobi is probably thinks that even though Kakashi wanted to fulfill his wishes in the end the Shinobi world is a hopeless one that will fill you with despair, therefore the Moon's Eye plan is the best solution for a happy ending for all.

I really thought that the scars on Tobi's face were actually wrinkles. Goes to show how terribly wrong I was.

I have mentioned it before but it was pretty sad when I first read Kakashi Gaiden when I saw Obito's death scene. It really hurt to see him lament on not being able to confess to Rin, he looked to be filled with so much regret. And now this chapter let's us know that Obito was building up the courage to actually confess (he even wanted to do it during Sakura season, Kishi's not being subtle there) but was stopped because of Kakashi's promotion party which immediately was followed by the events of the Gaiden. I can't help but think that on their way to rescue Rin from the rock ninja Obito was probably thinking that once that whole mess was over he would surely confess to Rin properly. Now Obito's death looks even more tragic in my eyes.

So lets look at it so far. Kishi has made Jiraiya, Obtio and Naruto (which are all parallels of each other) to suffer from unrequited love through their lives. Then he kill off Obito before he gets the chance to confess to Rin and later kill of Jiraiya just when Tsunade was ready to finally return his feelings.

For the love of all please Kishi make Naruto finally succeed in getting the girl he has always loved the most. Please make him succeed where the previous two failed. The new generation most succeed where the previous failed.

I hope the whole point of Naruto surpassing them if for him to finally get Sakura and not for him to just simply confess because the other two couldn't. Well, taking into account Naruto's never give up personality I'm gonna guess it's the former.

[Kyuudaime]

Awesome, knew it.

[chouzu_tao]

Jake thoughts

[*] How did Obito even survive getting crushed, I'm pretty sure he would have at least gotten some brain damage, come to think about it that might be why he lost it.
[/list]

What if he accidentally used kamui on the left side of his body and that's how he survived?

Although I'm beginning to wonder if there were/are two Tobis, Obito and the one with long hair who was with the fourth Mizukage but I'm probably way off there.
I'm curious how they will explain him being the fourth mizukage.

I think it is..

His arm looks pretty fake though sort of reminds me of how Sasori's puppet body looked like too .

I noticed this on the color page for 597 too, but thought it might have just been fabric.

I think the chances are he found the body and reanimated. This would account for the growth of a kid who was supposed to be dead into an adult.

I think it's too simplistic to base all his world-domination ambitions on jealousy and thwarted love. Especially when he and Kakashi made their peace at the end of the Kakashi Gaiden arc. Obito gave him his eye. There was resolution in his story. It doesn't make sense for him to go off and be mad about it later. edit edit: @Nate, yeah I feel the same. I'm not crazy about derailing the story away from Naruto for yet another character arc. Even if it is one we've been looking forward to. I have to wonder if it will contribute to the overall story, or wind up like Kabuto's arc and be fairly self-contained. They resolve the big issue, then die.

I'm with you guys on this. I might understand if he was upset that whatever happened to Rin was Kakashi's failings, but an early teen-love squabble turning into full-blown hate. No. Wouldn't buy it, especially at the age Obito was last with Kakashi and Rin, and as you said, the peace that was made at his "passing".

While I do like the aspect of Naruto now fighting against a Naruto-gone-wrong in Obito, I also don't like it taking the attention away from Naruto. Lately it seems he's always stuck with cleanup and only shows up at the end to sweep things up.

edit: also, I really enjoyed the story told sans words. It may not look it, but that is actually harder to do than writing a script. Takes a lot more planning and work. But the effect is a nice build up as well. The visual story is uncluttered. You have silence until the very end, when you are forcibly brought back to the present when sound returns. So, nicely done.

I agree. I loved how little dialogue was in this chapter, and how the story was told with pictures and the expressions within. Very film-like. It's a testament to the quality of the artwork.

Lastly, I hope Tobi stays bad. I really don't way to feel sympathy for him. Somebody's got to be a villain here!

I agree. I'm tired of Kishimoto trying to make everyone sympathetic, especially when it happened to Orochimaru. Let villains be villains sometimes!

But... WTF?!!! When I first saw Obito's face on the 1st page, I immediately mentally screamed, "NOOOOOOOOOO!! No, no, NO!!! That theory couldn't be true..."

I had this same reaction. First page, first image, chapter name:

[TouKen4Life3g]

I always thought that Team Minato was the most powerful and obvious parallel to compare Team 7, even more so than Team Sannin. This chapter just confirmed and augmented my believe on it.

It was pretty heart wrenching to see Obito suffer from his one sided crush on Rin, it really took a good part of the chapter. When I began reading I thought that his love was just gonna get a quick reference in one panel, but it was really focused on in all of the chapter. Kishi wants to make it a point that Obito's love for Rin will play a role in the next chapters to come.

I'm pretty sure that, whether Tobi's memories are of Obito or not, he's disappointed that Kakashi failed to protect Rin when he vowed to do so. Whoever Tobi is probably thinks that even though Kakashi wanted to fulfill his wishes in the end the Shinobi world is a hopeless one that will fill you with despair, therefore the Moon's Eye plan is the best solution for a happy ending for all.

I really thought that the scars on Tobi's face were actually wrinkles. Goes to show how terribly wrong I was.

I have mentioned it before but it was pretty sad when I first read Kakashi Gaiden when I saw Obito's death scene. It really hurt to see him lament on not being able to confess to Rin, he looked to be filled with so much regret. And now this chapter let's us know that Obito was building up the courage to actually confess (he even wanted to do it during Sakura season, Kishi's not being subtle there) but was stopped because of Kakashi's promotion party which immediately was followed by the events of the Gaiden. I can't help but think that on their way to rescue Rin from the rock ninja Obito was probably thinking that once that whole mess was over he would surely confess to Rin properly. Now Obito's death looks even more tragic in my eyes.

So lets look at it so far. Kishi has made Jiraiya, Obtio and Naruto (which are all parallels of each other) to suffer from unrequited love through their lives. Then he kill off Obito before he gets the chance to confess to Rin and later kill of Jiraiya just when Tsunade was ready to finally return his feelings.

For the love of all please Kishi make Naruto finally succeed in getting the girl he has always loved the most. Please make him succeed where the previous two failed. The new generation most succeed where the previous failed.

I hope the whole point of Naruto surpassing them if for him to finally get Sakura and not for him to just simply confess because the other two couldn't. Well, taking into account Naruto's never give up personality I'm gonna guess it's the former.

Ultimate this.

Obito is the definition of lost hope. He found out that the only peace is to escape reality. Judging from the flashback, I can't blame him. The whole character of him is a tragic work.

Now I am convinced. Naruto MUST surpass the old generation. I am solid on NaruSaku now. Kishi really plays romance into a serious factor now if Obito's one of the reason is Rin. It amazes me to see how much his life with her plays a lot in the flashback. I know Naruto might hear them talking and if Rin comes to the subject, I bet Naruto might think Sakura at one point. Naruto will be the first to accomplish this. Moving on to Hinata is a scapegoat and has no impact whatsoever. Sakura has a huge impact because she is a "impossible" task to deal. She loves Sasuke while Naruto loves her. It's one-sided love (to his view), so having together will be hard, especially if the girl's love seems "strong." Obito didn't give up, but he was in pain. The sad truth is that he never got to tell Rin. Jiraiya gets rejected everytime, but there was a chance, which unfortunately dies before he knows it. Naruto is holding his feelings to the end, but it is scary for him that the chance of him dying is there and could end up the same as them. Their glory romance moments were never seen. Naruto is the only one left.

Yeah, I can't wait for next week. I am so hyped.

[naruto-z]

I just realized, doesn't this mean Obito has someone else's eye for his mangekyo? Otherwise, he'd be blind by now?

[pharix]

So Tobi had been manipulating the Hidden Mist behind the scenes at least as far back as when Zabuza (who was the same age as Kakashi) was in the academy, hence his "graduation exam."

And Kisame recognized Tobi in the present day as the same person as back then.

This is going to make absolutely no sense, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Okay, I'll reserve judgement until the next few chapters are out, but so far I don't like it. Not one bit, Kishimoto.

not to mention he would still have been looking like a young teen during the Kyuubi attack but Masky was a grown man o_o

but then again this makes the whole "one member of team 7 going astray" thing complete :/

Edited by pharix, 29 August 2012 - 04:37 PM.

[tricksie]

Well, the only thing tying the true Obito to Tobi at this point is the eye. The rest of the timeline with the real Obito doesn't make sense, as everyone as pointed out.

Where's Ciardha when you need a Tobi/Madara/kyuubi timeline! (At Dragoncon, I believe!) Maybe we can persuade her to do one when she gets back. That would be soooo helpful.

We know Tobi keeps a sharingan bank. So swapping eyes is no big shakes for him. What if he plopped in the Obito sharingan just for this occasion? What if his body is a mix of Obito's body and the First hokage's regeneration cells, therefore truly making him a regenerative vessel for his soul.

And if Tobi is creating a massive genjutsu on them, he could very easily be using Obito's memories to do it. Basically, it's psychological warfare against Kakashi.

Then for the readers, we get the flashback and somehow Kakashi resolves whatever perceived injustice has been done. But Tobi is still undefeated until the real Obito who has been lurking all the time, silently watching (like Orochimaru in Anko), forgives Kakashi once and for all and puts enough of a crack in Tobi's armor that they are able to defeat him.

Also, before Tobi turned around to show his face as Obito, there was a "swip" sound in the panel. It struck me that Tobi might have somehow changed his appearance at the last moment, after the mask was gone, to hide his true true form. And that may have been when he did it.

I do hope Tobi has several tricks up his sleeve. And I hope that he doesn't just have a flashback, issue resolved, then he's finished like Kabuto (or rather like Kabuto appears to be). I hope the issue of Tobi keeps us guessing for a while.

[Don-kun]

Hm I'm not so sure about this... If Obito were dead and had someone else's soul inside of him he wouldn't age. It has to be the real Obito aware of what he's doing because otherwise this chapter would have been a waste of paper. I mean, Kishi goes out of his way to show more of Obito's personality when he was young, that would be pretty useless if it's just his body being controlled by someone else.

Oh and on a side note: Aw, Obito really did help old ladies and that's why he was late.

I will agree with this, while I understand many frustrations finding out that Tobi is Obito, he was being obvious for a good while now is not sudden, the Obito believers (not me since I always doubted it) were focusing and explaining why the character are similar, mmeanwhile who I agree with that in a general context it wasn't making any sense since the guy seems too old at the Kyuubi attacked and the MisuKage's incident.
With all that said Kishimoto wanted Tobi to be Obito, from the moment Tobi told Kakashi at the summit that his powers will not work on him when none of the Akasuki had any data on his MS.

The reason and motivation, were present the moment he stated that he was against the ninja system and he would crush that system.

If we look at Nagato's motivation, it was witnessing his mom and dad been murdered, that is when he originally decided to bring peace his way.

Kabuto went from an innocent child to a ruthless evil one who worked for Oro, his motivation killing his adopted mother and finding out that she was brain washed.

Obito, we will need to wait, but that excuse about him being a good guy only because we liked him is null, because Orochimaru was a good child, Nagato and Kabuto were also some good Childs and Naruto was advised by Itachi that if he wants to force his way and not believe in other he will be just like Tobi, is funny that the guy Tobi is, is the same guy who as been declared to be similar to Naruto.





It's Back...

Edited by NS means logic, 29 August 2012 - 04:47 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Looks like NF is back on. Barely. Wow, it all crashed so early in the morning. Man, this is intense. I got to see what they think.

Be sure to check out NS FC. We got a lot to discuss.

Edit: Okay, seems like issues are still going on.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 29 August 2012 - 04:50 PM.

[tricksie]

I'm with you guys on this. I might understand if he was upset that whatever happened to Rin was Kakashi's failings, but an early teen-love squabble turning into full-blown hate. No. Wouldn't buy it, especially at the age Obito was last with Kakashi and Rin, and as you said, the peace that was made at his "passing".

Right. Especially when so much of Obito's character is like Naruto's.

He smiled through his pain and went along with Rin's plan.
He put his pain aside for his team when they were out with Minato.
And at the end, Obito understands and forgives Kakashi, even giving him his eye as the jounin gift. That story is completly resolved between them. Kakashi visits the memorial stone and says Obito's name often.

So no where in Obito's life is the festering wound, the encompassing hatred necessary to destroy countries to accomplish his goals.

Could Tobi have found his body, resurrected him and warped him? Feeding on his anger like he encourages Sasuke to do? Sure. Not impossible to imagine. But then you still have the problem of a previous Tobi orchestrating events and people to his liking — Tobi Riddle! lol

And how would you guys feel about Itachi, apparently knowing that Tobi was Obito, a former Uchiha whom he would have grown up with, knowing the story of Kakashi's team (as he must have), and then being forced to partner with either Obito as a traitor or Obito as a corpse? Hence the "shell of his former self" comment.

As much as everyone is touting parallels to Team 7, there is also the understate parallel of things never being what they seem. Pain was really Nagato. Sasori was really a puppet. The Mizukage was really a puppet controlled by Tobi.

Perhaps we should be "looking underneath the underneath" here too.

[Madz]

Sp the Tobi Obito theory became true...

I really hope that Kishi has a VERY good reason to make a teen obito turn into evil.

If we consider he was already evil at Naruto's birth - the Kyuubi attack - it means there was not a big age gap between his 'death"and him turning evil.
And I would be irked if he turned bad because of Rin.

I mean - sure I'm a romance fan - but a teen turning such an extreme evil due to a romance turning bad - blah. That's very lame. Even if Rin died - in whatever situation - it's not an excuse for turning evil - it shows how weak charactered Obito was since the beginning. (Tsunade lost Dan too - she turned into a drunk - not into a world destroying madwoman...)

[MangaReader]

Wow... I was right about something :O Actually, the signs were all pointing towards Obito lately.

As for the theory, who would figure that some random and baseless speculation would actually come true. Whoever was the first one to come up with should feel accomplished