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[James S Cassidy]

Well, you could always look at it in a real world respective too Kim. Sasuke was Sakura's first crush, and I'll tell you from experience, getting over your first crush is always the hardest no matter how hard you try to forget.

Really? I never really had that big of a problem getting over my first crush. Especially later when I found out they were actually kind of a b*tch. I find out my first crush just got married and I didn't really feel that devastated by it. Yeah, I was a little bummed, but when you find someone better I don't really linger on it. It's not that I am heartless, but I guess I don't find losing crushes that big of a deal especially if I know they don't want me.

Now, losing a true love...THAT's a tough one. I lost my true love and I am still in a rut even months later. I am better, but I still feel pain sometimes and have these..."emotional episodes."

So, what am I saying? Maybe my viewpoint is different, and I don't really know female psychology and the difference between men when it comes to loves and crushes, but if Sasuke really is just a crush she is hanging on to him rather tightly. The fact that he wasn't around for at least two years and made no effort to be with her would, at least from my perspective, be a sign to say "I don't like you."

Could it mean that Sakura saw Sasuke as her true love? Sounds like I am saying that, but I am not. I am just saying that losing a crush is not as bad as say losing your true love. This could also point to that fact that we have yet to see what kind of reaction Sakura would have if she lost Naruto. We have seen her get really upset at the fact of even thinking of losing Naruto whether it be to the Akatsuki or to the Nine-tails. I wonder what kind of behavior she would have if she thought he died.

You know, in truth, whenever there is moments of doubt I ALWAYS remember one thing. The time in the Pein arc, when the village was destroyed, who did scream for? She didn't want Sasuke to come back...she wanted Naruto to come back. That whole Pein arc basically showed me Sakura's true hidden feelings even before the confession. Yeah we had hints dropped here and there since the beginning, but to me the Pein arc was basically the nail on the head.

[Phantom_999]

If he can't have Sakura, he must go to what he can get.




Who knows, maybe her and Sakura will become best friends after the war is finish (oops... off topic).


But it won't be easy, which is why I think they would rather share Naruto, than let the other suffer.

I know, Naruto only see's her as a friend. Butn don't count kishi out, you know he might force Sasuke to love Sakura out of the blue, and the same with Naruto loving Hinata. This is one of the reasons why this manga has been trashed (another DBZ's Vegetta and bulma cramming pairings). Someone is going to get hurt, either NS, or SS and NH.

If he did that be some BAD Story telling there. But yes he could. Granted that's only an A** pull, as most people would know because He's been developing Naruto and Sakura's relationship subtlety throughout the series and to do that is flushing his time and effort down the drain -__-

Edited by Phantom_999, 19 March 2012 - 12:10 AM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

I have to say that as of currently, I feel that Sakura's still in love with Sasuke. You can say that her feelings are 'lingering', but imo they probably go a little deeper than that. Even when Sasuke is at his absolute worst, Sakura still shows a deep emotional attachment to his character, and the nature of it, when its shown, is not platonic in the least.

I however, do feel that this has a possibility of changing, and that she'll not just "choose" Naruto, but that Sakura will fully resolve her issues with Sasuke independently of any influence from others. I think that Sakura should take a good look at Sasuke, and decide for herself if this is what she wants in life. She does not have to compare him to Naruto or any other guy, but should make a decision based on how she sees their relationship at the end of the day. Only then, I believe, could she look at other prospects (Naruto or even the Love letter guy) without freezing up or having the weight of a person with a larger/ more established place in her heart.

Secondly, I have to say that I would be highly disappointed if Kishi goes with SasuSaku, but I would understand his decision and could see the dynamic he would be trying to go for. The pairing has never been crack from my perspective anyway, but a contender.

There hasn't been any backbone relating to Sakura evolution in her feelings for Sasuke. She has yet to prove herself to grow out of her infatuation to a simple minded love. Hinata, however, has done this, and her romantic feelings displayed affection toward Naruto's character than a crazy crush she had in part 1. Sakura could have proven to the world she loves Sasuke by going through her progressions, and seeing if Sasuke could be saved before she decided to stab Sasuke in the back, only to come up short in the end. She's considered to be his number 1 fangirl. This only makes me more baffle to how she could pay close attention to a false rumor about Sasuke loveing girls with long hair, but not to Sasuke's desire and goals in life.

Sasuke's goals were originally to kill his elder brother Itachi, and to restore his precious clan. What is need to restore a clan? Make babies... right? How could she had forgotten or let this slip through her mind? Or why doesn't she want to restore his clan? All she had to do was confront Sasuke about his second goal, which was clan restoration. Then she would have prove to the world that her harbored feeling is more about Sasuke then herself. But having a crush on someone is never always a good sign.

(Okay... I'm going to go off topic with this, but it's related to the topic) People who have a crush on others sometimes do it to benefit themselves, not the person they considered their lover. Like gold diggers (women use men for money) or users. Or people just want the person they have a crush on to become the person made up in their mind (pure fantasy) come to a reality. For an example: It's like Hinata can't love Naruto because he has Kurama residing inside him. Sound bias too me.

Now getting back on topic (sorry for breaking the out of topic rule lol). Has Sakura display the above? Yes. She originally wanted Sasuke to improve her image around the female population. We all know she was being picked on and bullied around in her childhood. Sasuke was handsome and the most talented person in the academy. Sakura wins his heart, she wouldn't haven't to worry about the female population berating her. That proves the off topic "user" theory. Now can she except the man Sasuke has become? No. Why? She still clings to her foolish childhood fantasy, and in hopes Sasuke becomes the 'romantic' man haunted her dreams all thanks to that bench scene. This tells us she doesn't give a damn about the Sasuke in person. Hows that for love

[ciardha]

There hasn't been any backbone relating to Sakura evolution in her feelings for Sasuke. She has yet to prove herself to grow out of her infatuation to a simple minded love. Hinata, however, has done this, and her romantic feelings displayed affection toward Naruto's character than a crazy crush she had in part 1. Sakura could have proven to the world she loves Sasuke by going through her progressions, and seeing if Sasuke could be saved before she decided to stab Sasuke in the back, only to come up short in the end. She's considered to be his number 1 fangirl. This only makes me more baffle to how she could pay close attention to a false rumor about Sasuke loveing girls with long hair, but not to Sasuke's desire and goals in life.

Uh no. Please go back and read the manga.

Let's look at Sakura's actual manga canon evolution.

Sakura fangirls over Sasuke in most of part 1. (oh and by the way- Hinata fangirls over Naruto, and Hinata still did clear up to the end of Pain invasion- way into part 2 of the manga, and even now it's still pretty much the same, except possibly she might be moving on from the romantic fantasy- it's a bit unclear if she has even that.) The crush is born out of seeing something in the boy that she wishes she could be- (both for Sakura and Hinata).

Sakura attempts to communicate with her crush, and is open with her support for him, also showing open tenderness toward him when he is hurt (and she does on a essentially equal level as well with Naruto even though her romantic feelings for Naruto in part 1 are semiconscious and confuse her a bit until the end of part 1). Sakura's fangirling of Sasuke begins to painfully slip away in the Forest of Death and ends for good when she makes her confession. We see the results of Sakura's heartbreak and final release of her fangirl fantasy when she begs Naruto to help her- we already see she's acknowledging Naruto is the only one who ever had any kind of bond to Sasuke.

By the time she sees Naruto in the hospital in part 1, she asks Naruto to give on his promise to her to bring Sasuke back, and when he refuses, her next words make it certain she has said goodbye to her fangirl crush on Sasuke forever and has completely accepted that- it's all about valuing Naruto's bond to Sasuke. That bond she knows was real, that image of Sasuke was real, and she wants to save that Sasuke- for Naruto. (She says it then, and says it each time saving Sasuke comes up in part 2. It's that Sasuke she sees when her hand shakes and she can't kill him, not the fangirl image.) Note how when she speaks to Sasuke she makes absolutely no reference to any feelings toward him whatsoever, she doesn't ever smile, blush or flirt either time in part 2 when she encounters Sasuke. Sakura has always been a girl who shows her romantic feelings- which is why even in part 1 when her feelings for Naruto were semiconscious and confused, she still blushed with her attraction to him and she had a special smile just for Naruto, and from the beginning of part 2 she outright flirts with Naruto.

She absolutely has no illusions about Sasuke at all now. It makes her feel sick and ashamed that she may harbor remnants of feelings for Sasuke- that's the complete opposite of fangirling. She sees the monster Sasuke really is and it makes her feel sick that she could ever have fangirled over him, she feels like that means something is wrong with her.

And as for you last comment, she didn't know his goals- if you read the manga you'll see he barely ever even uttered one word to anyone outside of his family- and that was before his family was killed, this was even more true afterward. He told no one his goals until that moment, if you notice even Naruto was surprised, and he was the only person in their class who had had any kind of real interaction with before they graduated.

And look at Hinata- she followed Naruto all the time but didn't understand him at all nor did she ever do to show him any kindness. She was chasing an illusion every bit as much as the Sasuke fangirls were with Sasuke. Hinata just lucked out that the boy she crushed on found a bond with others (and Sakura was a crucial one of those) who kept him from going into the darkness...

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Uh no. Please go back and read the manga.

Let's look at Sakura's actual manga canon evolution.

Sakura fangirls over Sasuke in most of part 1. (oh and by the way- Hinata fangirls over Naruto, and Hinata still did clear up to the end of Pain invasion- way into part 2 of the manga, and even now it's still pretty much the same, except possibly she might be moving on from the romantic fantasy- it's a bit unclear if she has even that.) The crush is born out of seeing something in the boy that she wishes she could be- (both for Sakura and Hinata).

Sakura attempts to communicate with her crush, and is open with her support for him, also showing open tenderness toward him when he is hurt (and she does on a essentially equal level as well with Naruto even though her romantic feelings for Naruto in part 1 are semiconscious and confuse her a bit until the end of part 1). Sakura's fangirling of Sasuke begins to painfully slip away in the Forest of Death and ends for good when she makes her confession. We see the results of Sakura's heartbreak and final release of her fangirl fantasy when she begs Naruto to help her- we already see she's acknowledging Naruto is the only one who ever had any kind of bond to Sasuke.

By the time she sees Naruto in the hospital in part 1, she asks Naruto to give on his promise to her to bring Sasuke back, and when he refuses, her next words make it certain she has said goodbye to her fangirl crush on Sasuke forever and has completely accepted that- it's all about valuing Naruto's bond to Sasuke. That bond she knows was real, that image of Sasuke was real, and she wants to save that Sasuke- for Naruto. (She says it then, and says it each time saving Sasuke comes up in part 2. It's that Sasuke she sees when her hand shakes and she can't kill him, not the fangirl image.) Note how when she speaks to Sasuke she makes absolutely no reference to any feelings toward him whatsoever, she doesn't ever smile, blush or flirt either time in part 2 when she encounters Sasuke. Sakura has always been a girl who shows her romantic feelings- which is why even in part 1 when her feelings for Naruto were semiconscious and confused, she still blushed with her attraction to him and she had a special smile just for Naruto, and from the beginning of part 2 she outright flirts with Naruto.

She absolutely has no illusions about Sasuke at all now. It makes her feel sick and ashamed that she may harbor remnants of feelings for Sasuke- that's the complete opposite of fangirling. She sees the monster Sasuke really is and it makes her feel sick that she could ever have fangirled over him, she feels like that means something is wrong with her.

And as for you last comment, she didn't know his goals- if you read the manga you'll see he barely ever even uttered one word to anyone outside of his family- and that was before his family was killed, this was even more true afterward. He told no one his goals until that moment, if you notice even Naruto was surprised, and he was the only person in their class who had had any kind of real interaction with before they graduated.

And look at Hinata- she followed Naruto all the time but didn't understand him at all nor did she ever do to show him any kindness. She was chasing an illusion every bit as much as the Sasuke fangirls were with Sasuke. Hinata just lucked out that the boy she crushed on found a bond with others (and Sakura was a crucial one of those) who kept him from going into the darkness...

Ciardha, right againwith another batch of awesome!

Anyhow, yeah, in the long run, I can imagine Sakura will eventually come to find out Naruto was the one who was posing as Sasuke, and the hurtful things she said yet she sees the real Naruto now so I doubt it'll be too dramatic or her, given that whenever she's thought of Naruto, especially in Part 2/Shippuden, that she feels happy, hopeful, like anything is possible. And we've seen she's shown a lot of faith in him, but willing to help when push comes to shove. If she knew what was going on with Pain pinning Naruto down, I bet she would have ben done there faster than Hinata was. Given she didn't want to intervene I'm sure because she was tending to Tsunade and others hurt by the Shinra Tensei as well as her having faith Naruto would win.

That's the one thin I've seen with Hinata too, Ciardha; she only saw what she wanted to see of Naruto and never got to see his true strength comingnot from his being able to stand up again and never give up, but also his ability to reach out to others and befriend them due to his true nature being one of a kind boy who seeks companionship from others who didn't know or see he truly wasn't a monster.

Hinata shows that a bit in Shippuden when she waches Naruto get kicked by Tobi and doesn't keep her eyes on him. It shows she has a lack of faith even if she loves him. Just as when she didn't want Naruto to keep fighting when he was nailed by Neji's 8 Trigrams 64 Palms. The thing is, Hinata's admired Naruto from AFAR and doesn't know the real him for what he truly is. I like to think part of her still sees him as the proud failure because she WANTS to see that about him.

Like you said, Sakura changed a lot after the hospital scene in Part 1 as well as her training with Tsunade; she seems like she doesn't wish to save Sasuke for herself, but to save him for Naruto's sake, even going as far as to rid the burden Naruto's had to carry because of her feelings for him nd feeling she hurt him worse than the other villagers in the Leaf did by seeing him as a monster.

It's from being around him and seeing how he really was that Sakura got to see that she was horribly wrong about how she perceived Naruto just like everyone else. Hinata, on the other hand, hasn't gotten over that yet, and until she does, she may not ever fully understand who Naruto Uzumaki really is.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Uh no. Please go back and read the manga.

Let's look at Sakura's actual manga canon evolution.

Sakura fangirls over Sasuke in most of part 1. (oh and by the way- Hinata fangirls over Naruto, and Hinata still did clear up to the end of Pain invasion- way into part 2 of the manga, and even now it's still pretty much the same, except possibly she might be moving on from the romantic fantasy- it's a bit unclear if she has even that.) The crush is born out of seeing something in the boy that she wishes she could be- (both for Sakura and Hinata).

Sakura attempts to communicate with her crush, and is open with her support for him, also showing open tenderness toward him when he is hurt (and she does on a essentially equal level as well with Naruto even though her romantic feelings for Naruto in part 1 are semiconscious and confuse her a bit until the end of part 1). Sakura's fangirling of Sasuke begins to painfully slip away in the Forest of Death and ends for good when she makes her confession. We see the results of Sakura's heartbreak and final release of her fangirl fantasy when she begs Naruto to help her- we already see she's acknowledging Naruto is the only one who ever had any kind of bond to Sasuke.

By the time she sees Naruto in the hospital in part 1, she asks Naruto to give on his promise to her to bring Sasuke back, and when he refuses, her next words make it certain she has said goodbye to her fangirl crush on Sasuke forever and has completely accepted that- it's all about valuing Naruto's bond to Sasuke. That bond she knows was real, that image of Sasuke was real, and she wants to save that Sasuke- for Naruto. (She says it then, and says it each time saving Sasuke comes up in part 2. It's that Sasuke she sees when her hand shakes and she can't kill him, not the fangirl image.) Note how when she speaks to Sasuke she makes absolutely no reference to any feelings toward him whatsoever, she doesn't ever smile, blush or flirt either time in part 2 when she encounters Sasuke. Sakura has always been a girl who shows her romantic feelings- which is why even in part 1 when her feelings for Naruto were semiconscious and confused, she still blushed with her attraction to him and she had a special smile just for Naruto, and from the beginning of part 2 she outright flirts with Naruto.

She absolutely has no illusions about Sasuke at all now. It makes her feel sick and ashamed that she may harbor remnants of feelings for Sasuke- that's the complete opposite of fangirling. She sees the monster Sasuke really is and it makes her feel sick that she could ever have fangirled over him, she feels like that means something is wrong with her.

And as for you last comment, she didn't know his goals- if you read the manga you'll see he barely ever even uttered one word to anyone outside of his family- and that was before his family was killed, this was even more true afterward. He told no one his goals until that moment, if you notice even Naruto was surprised, and he was the only person in their class who had had any kind of real interaction with before they graduated.

And look at Hinata- she followed Naruto all the time but didn't understand him at all nor did she ever do to show him any kindness. She was chasing an illusion every bit as much as the Sasuke fangirls were with Sasuke. Hinata just lucked out that the boy she crushed on found a bond with others (and Sakura was a crucial one of those) who kept him from going into the darkness...

It was not clear to Sakura who Sasuke wanted to kill. And his second goal and desire, which all members of the old team seven heard was he wanted to restore the Uchiha Clan. That was I try to mean. And you're probably right, and hopefully this manga turns out to be NS. But I also want to clarify what i meant by her childhood fantasy has nothing to do with fangirling. Basically, Sakura feelings for Sasuke has been put on halt while her feelings for Naruto keeps on acceleration. Her feeling for Sasuke hasn't change since since she was a fan-girl.

But, on the other hand, what is she's not ashamed of harboring feelings for Sasuke? What if she's dismays that the fact she can't have Sasuke because of the situation his character is heading. How big of a difference will be if Sasuke were back in Konoha on duty walking around casually? Will she still feel the same towards Naruto? Or will she take every opportunistic chances to ask Sasuke out and disregard Naruto... the same old thing from the past?

It's not Sakura's feelings for naruto that I'm concerned about because we all know she romantically is in love with him. But, will her feelings she has for Sasuke have a significant impact on her relationship with Naruto?

[ciardha]

[color="darkorange"]It was not clear to Sakura who Sasuke wanted to kill. And his second goal and desire, which all members of the old team seven heard was he wanted to restore the Uchiha Clan. That was I try to mean. And you're probably right, and hopefully this manga turns out to be NS. But I also want to clarify what i meant by her childhood fantasy has nothing to do with fangirling. Basically, Sakura feelings for Sasuke has been put on halt while her feelings for Naruto keeps on acceleration. Her feeling for Sasuke hasn't change since since she was a fan-girl.

But, on the other hand, what is she's not ashamed of harboring feelings for Sasuke? What if she's dismays that the fact she can't have Sasuke because of the situation his character is heading. How big of a difference will be if Sasuke were back in Konoha on duty walking around casually? Will she still feel the same towards Naruto? Or will she take every opportunistic chances to ask Sasuke out and disregard Naruto... the same old thing from the past?

You haven't actually read the manga, do you? Sounds like you just read manga summaries and fanfiction from Sakura bashers. Go read the manga.

[Gravenimage]

It was not clear to Sakura who Sasuke wanted to kill. And his second goal and desire, which all members of the old team seven heard was he wanted to restore the Uchiha Clan. That was I try to mean. And you're probably right, and hopefully this manga turns out to be NS. But I also want to clarify what i meant by her childhood fantasy has nothing to do with fangirling. Basically, Sakura feelings for Sasuke has been put on halt while her feelings for Naruto keeps on acceleration. Her feeling for Sasuke hasn't change since since she was a fan-girl.

But, on the other hand, what is she's not ashamed of harboring feelings for Sasuke? What if she's dismays that the fact she can't have Sasuke because of the situation his character is heading. How big of a difference will be if Sasuke were back in Konoha on duty walking around casually? Will she still feel the same towards Naruto? Or will she take every opportunistic chances to ask Sasuke out and disregard Naruto... the same old thing from the past?

It's not Sakura's feelings for naruto that I'm concerned about because we all know she romantically is in love with him. But, will her feelings she has for Sasuke have a significant impact on her relationship with Naruto?

Like ciardha said read the manga and not some fan fiction or the anime. Sakura has moved on from any romantic feelings towards Sasuke and she pretty much chose Naruto to protect him no matter what.

Edited by Gravenimage, 19 March 2012 - 04:53 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Like ciardha said read the manga and not some fan fiction or the anime. Sakura has moved on from any romantic feelings towards Sasuke and she pretty much chose Naruto to protect no matter what.

I will add to that statement as well. It's better that way in the long haul.

[AzureWaters]

You haven't actually read the manga, do you? Sounds like you just read manga summaries and fanfiction from Sakura bashers. Go read the manga.

Would you stop being so rude? I'm sorry to say, but a lot of your arguments are also way out there and just plain not true. Everyone has differing opinions, but because it clashes with yours does not give you the right to say that they aren't reading the material correctly.

Edited by AzureWaters, 19 March 2012 - 04:24 PM.

[ciardha]

Would you stop being so rude? I'm sorry to say, but a lot of your arguments are also way out there and just plain not true. Everyone has differing opinions, but because it clashes with yours does not give you the right to say that they aren't reading the material correctly.

No it's not rude at all- it's stunned disbelief that anyone who even made an attempt to read the manga would ever misread it to such an extreme fashion- that lack of reading comprehension is just plain beyond belief. If you actually read the manga those opinions would be completely impossible, that kind of opinions only come from Sakura bashers who are anime and fanfiction only fans. They have no connection to manga canon.

My opinions are hardly "way out there" about Sakura, if they consistently match what Kishimoto writes- and they do. My only other conclusion would be that KCF is a Sakura basher flamebaiting this thread. And considering the tenor of KCF's posts in this thread I'm beginning to suspect the later. Note, how any time the conversation begins to follow a manga canon understanding of Sakura, KCF posts something that spouts some Sakura bashing straight out of a fanfic and/or a grossly negative slant on someone else's comment (for example- the question catsi often ponders about the bench scene in chapter 3. Catsi was pondering it in a way it could fit into manga canon, KCF turns this into an opportunity to distort it into a bashing moment that has absolutely no relation to manga canon.

And the ridiculously off canon belief that Sakura would now dump Naruto for Sasuke at the drop of a hat- that has absolutely no connection to manga canon, heck not even the anime is that off canon, that only comes from Sakura bashing fanfiction. Anyone who read the manga would know that is absolutely not Sakura's character. Even way back in part 1, before she had any understanding that who she really loved was Naruto, she almost always thought of Naruto first, and at least twice didn't even think of Sasuke at all. That's back in her Sasuke fangirl era. In part two, everything she does (as Sai explicitly says in 474) is for Naruto's sake. She believed with all her heart when she confessed to Naruto that she had eliminated any feelings for Sasuke whatsoever- even the team mate bond.

If Sakura was the fangirl that KCF believed she would have smiled, blushed and flirted with Sasuke the times she saw him in part 2. Even the first time she sees him, before either she or Naruto know what a dark person Sasuke had become, she doesn't so much as smile, there's a moment of stunned awe that immediately shifts to fear- that's hardly fangirling, that's fear of a scary and dangerous person, yet despite her fear, when he acts to hurt Naruto, Sakura immediately goes into action to protect Naruto with no thought of her own life being in danger- it was all about Naruto. In the aftermath it was all about comforting Naruto too, not burdening Naruto with her own pain. She would have done a far better job fooling Sasuke if she pretended to still be the fangirl KCF is so sure Sakura is. Instead that doesn't even occur as even a passing thought to Sakura- we have a stern voiced Sakura talking in the polar opposite of romantic. She doesn't even so much as smile at Sasuke, much less blush or flirt. Compare this to Sakura with Naruto in part 2, she has a special smile she only has in relation to Naruto (that even in later part 1), she blushes and flirts with Naruto numerous times in part 2. Sakura emotionally beats up on herself for having any feelings whatsoever about Sasuke, and for having fangirled him back in part 1, it makes her feel less about herself. She's not having any positive feelings about Sasuke or herself there- she sees him shrouded in darkness, and she looks sick and ashamed being reminded of her old fangirl self by the actions of the love letter nin. Not the wildly off canon description KCF gives.

Edited by ciardha, 19 March 2012 - 05:41 PM.

[Gravenimage]

No it's not rude at all- it's stunned disbelief that anyone who even made an attempt to read the manga would ever misread it to such an extreme fashion- that lack of reading comprehension is just plain beyond belief. If you actually read the manga those opinions would be completely impossible, that kind of opinions only come from Sakura bashers who are anime and fanfiction only fans. They have no connection to manga canon.

My opinions are hardly "way out there" about Sakura, if they consistently match what Kishimoto writes- and they do. My only other conclusion would be that KCF is a Sakura basher flamebaiting this thread. And considering the tenor of KCF's posts in this thread I'm beginning to suspect the later. Note, how any time the conversation begins to follow a manga canon understanding of Sakura, KCF posts something that spouts some Sakura bashing straight out of a fanfic and/or a grossly negative slant on someone else's comment (for example- the question catsi often ponders about the bench scene in chapter 3. Catsi was pondering it in a way it could fit into manga canon, KCF turns this into an opportunity to distort it into a bashing moment that has absolutely no relation to manga canon.

And the ridiculously off canon belief that Sakura would now dump Naruto for Sasuke at the drop of a hat- that has absolutely no connection to manga canon, heck not even the anime is that off canon, that only comes from Sakura bashing fanfiction. Anyone who read the manga would know that is absolutely not Sakura's character. Even way back in part 1, before she had any understanding that who she really loved was Naruto, she almost always thought of Naruto first, and at least twice didn't even think of Sasuke at all. That's back in her Sasuke fangirl era. In part two, everything she does (as Sai explicitly says in 474) is for Naruto's sake. She believed with all her heart when she confessed to Naruto that she had eliminated any feelings for Sasuke whatsoever- even the team mate bond.

If Sakura was the fangirl that KCF believed she would have smiled, blushed and flirted with Sasuke the times she saw him in part 2. Even the first time she sees him, before either she or Naruto know what a dark person Sasuke had become, she doesn't so much as smile, there's a moment of stunned awe that immediately shifts to fear- that's hardly fangirling, that's fear of a scary and dangerous person, yet despite her fear, when he acts to hurt Naruto, Sakura immediately goes into action to protect Naruto with no thought of her own life being in danger- it was all about Naruto. In the aftermath it was all about comforting Naruto too, not burdening Naruto with her own pain. She would have done a far better job fooling Sasuke if she pretended to still be the fangirl KCF is so sure Sakura is. Instead that doesn't even occur as even a passing thought to Sakura- we have a stern voiced Sakura talking in the polar opposite of romantic. She doesn't even so much as smile at Sasuke, much less blush or flirt. Compare this to Sakura with Naruto in part 2, she has a special smile she only has in relation to Naruto (that even in later part 1), she blushes and flirts with Naruto numerous times in part 2. Sakura emotionally beats up on herself for having any feelings whatsoever about Sasuke, and for having fangirled him back in part 1, it makes her feel less about herself. She's not having any positive feelings about Sasuke or herself there- she sees him shrouded in darkness, and she looks sick and ashamed being reminded of her old fangirl self by the actions of the love letter nin. Not the wildly off canon description KCF gives.

Wow no comment here but I wouldn't be surprise if KCF is really that kind of Sakura basher. There are so manya people in the Naruto fandom that hate Sakura and basically this hurts or annoys Kishi's feelings. Sakura is one of his own original characters and he's very fond off, but anyway we all have a right to give our own opinions but its not nice to try and distort manga canon with ideas from fan fiction and anime. This is why people should only pay attention to the manga and forget the rest.

[redragon88]

It seems like Ciardha would get incredibly pissed if by some absurdity of life Kishimoto decided to have Sakura keep loving Sasuke until the end.

What kinda bothers me is why Kishimoto makes this girls keep liking Sasuke romantically after all this time.

I still remember after Naruto's friends decided that Sasuke needed to die and Ino suddenly burst into tears, but the problem is I don't remember her having any strong link to Sasuke for her to do that. I lost a little respect for her that day. Is she really that much of a hopeless romantic?

On the other hand there's Karin. I applauded her went she said she was done with Sasuke after he tried to kill her, but in recent chapters she's fangirling over his photo. She might have been putting up an act to fool the guards but the only way to know for sure is when she finds Sasuke again. If she starts being to cling him again like she used to then I'll consider her a girl not worthy of respect.

I guess I have a little fear that this types for idiotic relationships, in which a girl just loves a guy no matter how cruel he is, are the ones that Kishi prefers. I know is ridiculous and surely not true, is just irrational worry from my part which originates on how I see Karin and Ino act when it comes to Sasuke.

Edited by redragon88, 19 March 2012 - 09:14 PM.

[Gravenimage]

It seems like Ciardha would get incredibly pissed if by some absurdity of life Kishimoto decided to have Sakura keep loving Sasuke until the end.

What kinda bothers me is why Kishimoto makes this girls keep liking Sasuke romantically after all this time.

I still remember after Naruto's friends decided that Sasuke needed to die and Ino suddenly burst into tears, but the problem is I don't remember her having any strong link to Sasuke for her to do that. I lost a little respect for her that day. Is she really that much of a hopeless romantic?

On the other hand there's Karin. I applauded her went she said she was done with Sasuke after he tried to kill her, but in recent chapters she's fangirling over his photo. She might have been putting up an act to fool the guards but the only way to know for sure is when she finds Sasuke again. If she starts being to cling him again like she used to then I'll consider her a girl not worthy of respect.

I guess I have a little fear that this types for idiotic relationships, in which a girl just loves a guy no matter how cruel he is, are the ones that Kishi prefers. I know is ridiculous and surely not true, is just irrational worry from my part.

Well Naruto isn't Twilight and Potter I believe Kishi has done a very good job with the pairing development.

[redragon88]

Well Naruto isn't Twilight and Potter I believe Kishi has done a very good job with the pairing development.

I didn't say he hasn't done a good job. In fact I praise how he has handled Sakura's romantic development towards Naruto. I agree with many, if not all, of Ciardha comments. It was an irrational worry, irrational is the magic word here.

Kishimoto has done a good job with Sakura. Karin and Ino on the other hand I don't know what Kishi's aiming for with those two maybe still liking Sasuke. That's the part that bothers me.

Edited by redragon88, 19 March 2012 - 09:33 PM.

[AzureWaters]

No it's not rude at all- it's stunned disbelief that anyone who even made an attempt to read the manga would ever misread it to such an extreme fashion- that lack of reading comprehension is just plain beyond belief. If you actually read the manga those opinions would be completely impossible, that kind of opinions only come from Sakura bashers who are anime and fanfiction only fans. They have no connection to manga canon.

My opinions are hardly "way out there" about Sakura, if they consistently match what Kishimoto writes- and they do. My only other conclusion would be that KCF is a Sakura basher flamebaiting this thread. And considering the tenor of KCF's posts in this thread I'm beginning to suspect the later. Note, how any time the conversation begins to follow a manga canon understanding of Sakura, KCF posts something that spouts some Sakura bashing straight out of a fanfic and/or a grossly negative slant on someone else's comment (for example- the question catsi often ponders about the bench scene in chapter 3. Catsi was pondering it in a way it could fit into manga canon, KCF turns this into an opportunity to distort it into a bashing moment that has absolutely no relation to manga canon.

And the ridiculously off canon belief that Sakura would now dump Naruto for Sasuke at the drop of a hat- that has absolutely no connection to manga canon, heck not even the anime is that off canon, that only comes from Sakura bashing fanfiction. Anyone who read the manga would know that is absolutely not Sakura's character. Even way back in part 1, before she had any understanding that who she really loved was Naruto, she almost always thought of Naruto first, and at least twice didn't even think of Sasuke at all. That's back in her Sasuke fangirl era. In part two, everything she does (as Sai explicitly says in 474) is for Naruto's sake. She believed with all her heart when she confessed to Naruto that she had eliminated any feelings for Sasuke whatsoever- even the team mate bond.

If Sakura was the fangirl that KCF believed she would have smiled, blushed and flirted with Sasuke the times she saw him in part 2. Even the first time she sees him, before either she or Naruto know what a dark person Sasuke had become, she doesn't so much as smile, there's a moment of stunned awe that immediately shifts to fear- that's hardly fangirling, that's fear of a scary and dangerous person, yet despite her fear, when he acts to hurt Naruto, Sakura immediately goes into action to protect Naruto with no thought of her own life being in danger- it was all about Naruto. In the aftermath it was all about comforting Naruto too, not burdening Naruto with her own pain. She would have done a far better job fooling Sasuke if she pretended to still be the fangirl KCF is so sure Sakura is. Instead that doesn't even occur as even a passing thought to Sakura- we have a stern voiced Sakura talking in the polar opposite of romantic. She doesn't even so much as smile at Sasuke, much less blush or flirt. Compare this to Sakura with Naruto in part 2, she has a special smile she only has in relation to Naruto (that even in later part 1), she blushes and flirts with Naruto numerous times in part 2. Sakura emotionally beats up on herself for having any feelings whatsoever about Sasuke, and for having fangirled him back in part 1, it makes her feel less about herself. She's not having any positive feelings about Sasuke or herself there- she sees him shrouded in darkness, and she looks sick and ashamed being reminded of her old fangirl self by the actions of the love letter nin. Not the wildly off canon description KCF gives.

Whichever way you meant to come off, in reality your response sounded harsh and more than a bit holier than thou. KCF might regard Sakura in a bleak light considering his thoughts on her feelings, but if I want to be truthful, his response to her character is no different than what a lot of NaruSaku fans say when they feel threatened by a scenario that they think could mean Sakura still has the hots for Sasuke.

The fandom is riddled with fans that Sakura bash when she shows even the slightest thought towards him. If you don't believe me, just go to the 469,474,484, and 540 chapter threads on this site. Even on other addresses like Narutoforum. Frankly, these explosive responses are very annoying and tiresome. Why the constant worrying and drama if everyone believes 100% that Sakura is deeply in love with Naruto now? And this isn't really directed at you Ciardha, as I know that your rather steadfast and stubborn on your beliefs concerning her.

At any rate, KCF isn't the only one having doubts about Sakura. His way of thinking is not unique in the least-- for the NaruSaku fandom or otherwise. If he feels frustrated because he thinks Sakura still likes Sasuke, than he'll see for himself by the end of the manga if he had cause to worry or not. In the mean time, I think it would be best to not argue with him or tell him off for being wrong. Really, its not as if any of us are Masashi Kishimoto or one of his editors. If he so wished it, Kishi could change his mind in the drop of a hat. He has the final word; not any of us.

Edited by AzureWaters, 19 March 2012 - 09:36 PM.

[Phantom_999]

Whichever way you meant to come off, in reality your response sounded harsh and more than a bit holier than thou. KCF might regard Sakura in a bleak light considering his thoughts on her feelings, but if I want to be truthful, his response to her character is no different than what a lot of NaruSaku fans say when they feel threatened by a scenario that they think could mean Sakura still has the hots for Sasuke.

The fandom is riddled with fans that Sakura bash when she shows even the slightest thought towards him. If you don't believe me, just go to the 469,474,484, and 540 chapter threads on this site. Even on other addresses like Narutoforum. Frankly, these explosive responses are very annoying and tiresome. Why the constant worrying and drama if everyone believes 100% that Sakura is deeply in love with Naruto now? And this isn't really directed at you Ciardha, as I know that your rather steadfast and stubborn on your beliefs concerning her.

At any rate, KCF isn't the only one having doubts about Sakura. His way of thinking is not unique in the least-- for the NaruSaku fandom or otherwise. If he feels frustrated because he thinks Sakura still likes Sasuke, than he'll see for himself by the end of the manga if he had cause to worry or not. In the mean time, I think it would be best to not argue with him or tell him off for being wrong. Really, its not as if any of us are Masashi Kishimoto or one of his editors. If he so wished it, Kishi could change his mind in the drop of a hat. He has the final word; not any of us.

We're going with that argument AGAIN? for the LAST TIME Kishimoto decides everything is NOT any argument to why he would change his mind on pairings. Yes he could do it, but but does that count as story telling? Does that not mean he is flushing all of his work down the drain? If he wanted to just change his mind for no reason he might as well announce every Naruto CRACK PAIRING under the sun. Naruto should marry his "dead" mom, He should marry INARI'S mom, He should Marry Tayuya (dead), He should marry Temari, He should have a harem! See what I did there? When you say He can "change his mind" He can LITERALLY change his mind and do crazy s**t like that. He doesn't even need to think! It literally means Kishimoto can do anything with his's manga, and it may not end with the pairing you'd want to say the least. Kishimoto is a realistic writer and puts thought into his story; anything he's drawn up to now has a reason and if he wanted to change his mind he'd actually show it, no? And he'd develop it it more. So If you say he can change his mind, that is not an argument my friend, that is just saying "I wish he'd change his mind". Use solid evidence from the manga to support your arguments, not vague "what if " circumstances. Now I'm not antagonizing you. Only saying that Kishimoto's is the author and can do what he wants" means nothing.

Tone it down a bit, or the Administration is gonna come marching in.

Done

Edited by Phantom_999, 19 March 2012 - 11:46 PM.

[Dragunov]

Tone it down a bit, or the Administration is gonna come marching in. As for SS and NH, their both one sided pairings at the MOST. Sure, Kishimoto can do as he damn pleases, but its gonna take another 12 years to create the development for these pairings to be possible. NS has undoubtedly had the most development thus far, and Hinata throwin some bravado around aint gonna change nothing. Its been clear since chapter 3 where Kishimoto has been goin with this. SS is dead; Kishimoto can shove down our throats at the end, but thats just bad writing in general.

Edited by Dragunov, 19 March 2012 - 11:29 PM.

[Gravenimage]

We're going with that argument AGAIN? for the LAST TIME Kishimoto decides everything is NOT any argument to why he would change his mind on pairings. Yes he could do it, but but does that count as story telling? Does that not mean he is flushing all of his down the drain? If he wanted to just change his mind for no reason he might as well announce every Naruto CRACK PAIRING under the sun. Naruto should marry his "dead" mom, He should marry INARI'S mom, He should Marry Tayuya (DEAD), He should marry Temari, He should have a HAREM! See what I did there? When you say He can "change his mind" He can LITERALLY change his mind and do crazy s**t like that. He doesn't even need to think! That is just the last resort that every fandom at the end of it's rope and are STILL supporting their shipping would say, not knowing it literally means Kishimoto can do ANYTHING with his's manga, and it may not end with their pairing to say the least. Kishimoto is a realistic writer and puts thought into his story; anything he's drawn up to now has a reason and if he wanted to change his mind he'd actually show it, no? And he'd DEVELOP it more. So If you say he can change his mind, that is not an argument my friend, that is just saying "I WISH HE'D CHANGE HIS MIND". Use solid evidence from the manga to support your arguments, not vague "what if " circumstances. Now I'm not antagonizing you. Only saying that Kishimoto's is the author and can do what he wants" means nothing.

Amen to that buddy. I'm not worry at all you see Kishi already had the main pairing for his manga before he even started writing. He gathers all of his ideas characters, plot, story and just like that he has a beginning and an end for his manga. He has developed NS since Sakura made her debut in ch 3 and he still hasn't change his mind from making Naruto fall for Hinata or Sakura still loving Sasuke (I highly believe she doesn't have any romantic feelings for him, but she cares for him deeply). The message of the manga is about bonds obviously bonds between brothers and friends, Kishi wants to show how strong friendship can be in a world filled with hate, betrayal and revenge. Now I'm going to compare the manga with a game I've been playing a lot and quite addicted to, but the reason for doing this is because I completely saw a resemblance between the team seven bond and the bond between these characters from the PS3 game Tales of Graces f.

Spoilers for those that haven't play the game read at your own risk --Click here to view--

At the start of the game the main protagonist Asbel Lhant and his newly friend Sophie became good friends with Richard the crown prince of the country of Barona. Both have made a friendship pact by marking their names on a tree proving how strong their bond of friendship have become. Anyway skipping a lot including the seven year time skip Richard somehow gets possess by Lambda a powerful evil and he eventually loses himself to the darkness and now he wants to threaten the rest of the world by infusing himself with the world's core.

Here's where the team seven reference comes. Asbel is too stubborn and wants to do anything to try and save Richard without resolving to kill him because he's his friend. Sophie who further in the game is reveal she is not a real live human but a humanoid programmed to destroy the evil Lambda is determined to defeat him but without resolving to kill Richard, like Asbel she wants to save him because he's her friend. Do we see a resemblance between Asbel and Sophie when it comes to Richard with Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke? Both characters of team seven wants to save Sasuke for the sake of their bond the same with Asbel and Sophie with Richard, they want to keep their pact of friendship alive and both want too save him from Lambda's jaws. Now I haven't finish the game so I don't know the ending. I missed on a few details but that will be enough for the spoilers.

[Phantom_999]

True that. How's the game so far? I know it's worth getting a PS3 for but my budget won't allow it right now

Edited by Phantom_999, 19 March 2012 - 11:53 PM.