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[merryGOflava]

My mistake. I guess it'd a different opinion to everyone when it comes to age. Let me start over. In Ninja terms, I really don't think the age has anything to do with whether or not you "know anything" or 'have a lot to learn.'' That's just my opinion. And I really don't think it matters how many people they killed when they were little. Gaara was mostly controlled by the pain in his heart, and the love he was deceived of. Especially with the Sand protecting him from the ninja who tried to assassinate him. If you remember, Gaara did try to do good as a kid, like returning the ball to the kids who then ran away from him and called him a monster, or giving the girl medicine who fell because of the Sand that dragged her back. (I'm not sure if it was in the manga, but it was in an episode, so it could of been filler on that flashback. Not too sure.) Imo, Gaara was controlled by the darkness in his heart, and the sand that tried to protect him, and especially, the shukaku, and the love he was bribed of.

The whole age thing.. well... I don't even know. I guess it's every mans opinion for himself. (Or woman. or.. dog? or..cat.. or ninja )


If he woke up at the last moment, well, I really don't know what to say to that. He'd still have to pay the consequences for what he did. It doesn't really make a difference if he died. If he died, it'd be a clean slate, the Uchiha name would be free of its burden. But if he lived it'd be the cycle all over again, and plus, he'd be locked up and his head would be on bounty for a lot of ryo, I assume. Not so much on the Leafs part... but maybe on other villages and other countries. Thus continuing the chain..

about the first part. sasuke went through stuff JUST as bad as gaara.
sasuke wasnt evil when his clan got killed, he didnt hurt anyone because of it. what did he do? he tried to get stronger, which was harmless at first. same with gaara trying to get along with other people but got shunned. sasuke NEVER took his anger out about his village on anyone, but kept it to himself. (when he was a kid like gaara)

only when orochimaru put the curse mark on sasuke did all this anger inside of him come out. and he ended up joining him.

and its okay if sasuke faces justice. theres nothing wrong with that? its something he might need to do. or he could escape and become a wanderer teaching kids of how to stay on the right path and not going to the dark-side like him.

[Madz]

Things we must remember (as someone already pointed some of it out):

This is a manga.
This is a ninja manga.
This is a ninja manga where kids kills at 10-11 years old (at least elite ANBUs like kakashi and Itachi started this early)
So, "normal" and "Logic" do not apply in here.

Intent of killing and killing does not hold the same weight as it would 'normally".

Until Sasuke turns even worse than he is right now and does a really unforgivable act, Kishi WILL not kill him as a pure villain (Itachi's request to Naruto to save Sasuke during the war is proof of that.)

And I am appalled that people are terming Danzo as "good".

a. The man planned a coup-d'etat on Konoha (he worked with Orochimaru for the chunin-exams attack) - thus he is directly a complice for the murder of the third Hokage.
b. During the Pain attack, he was waiting in the underground for Tsunade to be killed so that he could take over Konoha.
c. He had a loathing of the first, second and third Hokages' teachings and nindos - which was the basis of the Will of Fire.
Oh the list goes really long.

All dictators claim to do coup-d'etat for the "good"; does not mean it's true!!

[Fenris]

Things we must remember (as someone already pointed some of it out):

This is a manga.
This is a ninja manga.
This is a ninja manga where kids kills at 10-11 years old (at least elite ANBUs like kakashi and Itachi started this early)
So, "normal" and "Logic" do not apply in here.

Intent of killing and killing does not hold the same weight as it would 'normally".

Until Sasuke turns even worse than he is right now and does a really unforgivable act, Kishi WILL not kill him as a pure villain (Itachi's request to Naruto to save Sasuke during the war is proof of that.)

And I am appalled that people are terming Danzo as "good".

a. The man planned a coup-d'etat on Konoha (he worked with Orochimaru for the chunin-exams attack) - thus he is directly a complice for the murder of the third Hokage.
b. During the Pain attack, he was waiting in the underground for Tsunade to be killed so that he could take over Konoha.
c. He had a loathing of the first, second and third Hokages' teachings and nindos - which was the basis of the Will of Fire.
Oh the list goes really long.

All dictators claim to do coup-d'etat for the "good"; does not mean it's true!!

Save, yes. But will it lead to death, do you think? Like someone being redeemed in death. Itachi mentioned, also, to Narto, that he has what it takes to take down Sasuke, something that the crow he gave him couldnt provide to him.

Edited by iamfenris, 20 October 2011 - 06:32 AM.

[merryGOflava]

Save, yes. But will it lead to death, do you think? Like someone being redeemed in death. Itachi mentioned, also, to Narto, that he has what it takes to take down Sasuke, something that the crow he gave him couldnt provide to him.

i dont see why sasuke wont live?

if hes saved he might as well live too. i mean what a waste......after all this....he finally turns good but dies. that would suck IMO.

all the hard work....all the believing. i just dont think sasuke dying would justify it. but thats me.

[Fenris]

i dont see why sasuke wont live?

if hes saved he might as well live too. i mean what a waste......after all this....he finally turns good but dies. that would suck IMO.

all the hard work....all the believing. i just dont think sasuke dying would justify it. but thats me.

Not really. Narutos goal is to rid the darkness in Sasukes heart. He never directly said in shippuden (after they learned about him joinng the akatsuki) that he wanted him to return home to the village. it became more of a personal goal of redeeming him.

[merryGOflava]

Not really. Narutos goal is to rid the darkness in Sasukes heart. He never directly said in shippuden (after they learned about him joinng the akatsuki) that he wanted him to return home to the village. it became more of a personal goal of redeeming him.

im sure naruto said he wanted to bring sasuke back.

but maybe recently he wanted to save him. but saving him could mean more than just the darkness.


though, I'm just gonna sit back and wait till sasuke finds out about the lies and then THAT will decided for me whether he will turn good/live or not

[Fenris]

im sure naruto said he wanted to bring sasuke back.

but maybe recently he wanted to save him. but saving him could mean more than just the darkness.


though, I'm just gonna sit back and wait till sasuke finds out about the lies and then THAT will decided for me whether he will turn good/live or not

He did say he wanted to bring him back, you're right about that - but it was long ago. Part 1, was all about the bring back Sasuke arcs, and all of that. Around the middle of part 2.. well, it kinda became the "save sasuke." Saving/Retrieving are all in all two different things if you look at it from different angles. In American super hero comics, for instance, the cliche version of saving could mean: rescuing the damsel in distress, or saving the mayor, etc. But in a more deeper, emotional way, it could mean more than five things. There could be saving from himself, like the many theories was formed around Sakura when she tried to kill him. Many assumed she was trying to save Sasuke from himself, or something along those lines. Naruto mentioned he wants to personally save Sasuke, I believe he *will* do it, but only in death. Sure, they'll probably be team 7 for that short amount of time before death, again - just to make it more heartfelt to the reader, but it'll, all in all, stop the chain of the Uchiha hatred. (Plus, HOW MANY eyes can one Uchiha possibly- sfjfsfsdf. My point on the eyes is made, right? )
Anyway. This is all imo.
And just to clarify something you said earlier about it being a waste if Sasuke died, I don't see it as a waste. "All that for nothing" wouldn't be nessecarily a waste. Naruto would get to save Sasuke from himself, end the chain of hatred, and bring peace to the Ninja world, and eventually become Hokage, like he told Nagato and Kyuubi about, and what was written in Jirayias books.
Plus, it'd be an emotional death for all of team 7, it'd mean a lot for them, and it'd be a blessing too, to no longer see their friend hurting himself and suffering.

Again, imo. I like your theory on things, by the way. Sorry if I seem really stuck up in my opinions, I really mean no harm by my constant responding. I don't want to come across as being, well, assy. <- That even a word? But anyway, yeah, I wish I had a more confident view on Sasuke as you do, too. But i'm just kinda negative when it comes to him. Bleeeeeh.

Edited by iamfenris, 20 October 2011 - 07:06 AM.

[Madz]

Like merry said, I don't see why only death is needed for Sasuke to get redeemed.

Why only death? Why so radical? I really hope that this is not the message that Kishi puts accros - that death is the only redemption !!!

But anyway, I am very set against death penalty, so maybe I'm already biased.

But I still think that Naruto will succeed where everyone failed. This is what makes Naruto...Naruto - doing the most impossible. Otherwise he would be just some normal dude.

[Fenris]

Like merry said, I don't see why only death is needed for Sasuke to get redeemed.

Why only death? Why so radical? I really hope that this is not the message that Kishi puts accros - that death is the only redemption !!!

But anyway, I am very set against death penalty, so maybe I'm already biased.

But I still think that Naruto will succeed where everyone failed. This is what makes Naruto...Naruto - doing the most impossible. Otherwise he would be just some normal dude.

I don't see it as the death penalty. At least not when it comes to his personal trauma. It'd be sort of like, an assistant suicide on Narutos part if he killed Sasuke. Even if Sasuke doesn't know the depth of his pain, yet.

Edited by iamfenris, 20 October 2011 - 09:48 AM.

[LegendaryArcanine42]

Sasuke will live because...

Naruto (series) = DBZ with Ninjas

Sasuke = Ninja Vegeta!

YOU CANNOT DENY TEH EPICNEZZ OF NINJA VEGETA!!!

But seriously the comparisons were clear OVER 9000 chapters ago, and Kishimoto loves Sasuke as much as the fangirls, so Sasuke will survive be the next Orochimaru or whatever and NaruSaku will go ahead as scheduled...

NOW COMMENCE THE BEGIN OF TEH PINK HAIRED FOX BEHBEHS!!!!

[Anguyen92]

I still stand by death or probably some sort of house arrest arrangement. Maybe, more likely the house arrest arrangement because at least he would still be alive and face the consequences of his actions in a way that won't kill him.

Edited by Anguyen92, 20 October 2011 - 03:50 PM.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

I still stand by death or probably some sort of house arrest arrangement. Maybe, more likely the house arrest arrangement because at least he would still be alive and face the consequences of his actions in a way that won't kill him.

Im sticking by death as well. House arrest might be plausible or maybe they erase his memory.

[Sakura Blossoms]

Im sticking by death as well. House arrest might be plausible or maybe they erase his memory.

*tosses in my own opinion* I say death as well.

[SunnyGoflava]

Sasuke will not die (BEFORE Naruto saves him) for a few reasons:
1) Sasuke is being tricked by a guy who isn't even Madara (therefore his Itachi story is slightly null and void
2) Sasuke has not killed anyone worth anything (Danzo was trying to control the Kages, take over Tsunade's place and imprison Naruto)
3) Sasuke's Salvation is Naruto's GOAL! (Nuff said) We all know what happens when Naruto sets his mind onto something.
4) If Sasuke is not saved, then Naruto's whole journey/crying/getting beat up/rejecting the girl of your dream's confession(Sakura) would have all been for nothing. NOTHING. And I don't want this manga to be like a certain manga that has been disappointing me (kicks wall in)
5)Sasuke is a confused teenager who has lost his family, killed his own brother, and has been continuously misused by the people he puts his trust in (not counting Team 7). Yes, he is emotionally unstable, but a teen nonetheless. To kill him off for all his troubles would not make the greatest story of all time. For NARUTO to save him in an final endeavor WOULD be the greatest story of all time!

(NOTE: This will NOT happen if:
Sasuke kills someone important
Tobi (Obito) is telling the complete truth about Itachi
Sasuke attempts to kill off alot of Naruto's comrades (could you imagine the faces of them when Naruto still defends for Sasuke? )

This is my opinion

[Darth Krypt]

Oh and Danzo killed the messenger frog who's going to report Pain's invasion to Fukasaku. That's just mean. He actually helped in Konoha's destruction. Why would he do that if its "all for Konoha's interest". I say this but I still think Sasuke will die.

[merryGOflava]

Sasuke will not die (BEFORE Naruto saves him) for a few reasons:
1) Sasuke is being tricked by a guy who isn't even Madara (therefore his Itachi story is slightly null and void
2) Sasuke has not killed anyone worth anything (Danzo was trying to control the Kages, take over Tsunade's place and imprison Naruto)
3) Sasuke's Salvation is Naruto's GOAL! (Nuff said) We all know what happens when Naruto sets his mind onto something.
4) If Sasuke is not saved, then Naruto's whole journey/crying/getting beat up/rejecting the girl of your dream's confession(Sakura) would have all been for nothing. NOTHING. And I don't want this manga to be like a certain manga that has been disappointing me (kicks wall in)
5)Sasuke is a confused teenager who has lost his family, killed his own brother, and has been continuously misused by the people he puts his trust in (not counting Team 7). Yes, he is emotionally unstable, but a teen nonetheless. To kill him off for all his troubles would not make the greatest story of all time. For NARUTO to save him in an final endeavor WOULD be the greatest story of all time!

(NOTE: This will NOT happen if:
Sasuke kills someone important
Tobi (Obito) is telling the complete truth about Itachi
Sasuke attempts to kill off alot of Naruto's comrades (could you imagine the faces of them when Naruto still defends for Sasuke? )

This is my opinion

thats my sister *tears up* i agree!!

[Amy-chan]

I'm going with my brother and Zac on this, Death that's pretty much it.

[SunnyGoflava]

Oh and Danzo killed the messenger frog who's going to report Pain's invasion to Fukasaku. That's just mean. He actually helped in Konoha's destruction. Why would he do that if its "all for Konoha's interest". I say this but I still think Sasuke will die.

Very true as well Also I don't blame you. Its a hard topic that I know Kishi has planned out very thoroughly XD! He loves pitting fans together Sasuke has done alot of stuff and might just die. But I think he's going to live. It would make one heck of a story and I would like to see how it would turn out .

[merryGOflava]

Wait, so now there is a SunnyGOflava and a merryGOFlava? anyways sunnyGoflava, Tsunade insisted on bringing Naruto to where the enemy was (Which at first I thought was not the best thing to do). Danzo wanted to keep naruto at mount bokyboku (did I spell that right?) to keep him as far away from the enemy as possible. The toad was sent to bring naruto to Konaha, something Danzo did not approve of. Which resulted in why Danzo slaughtered that toad. Because he thought it was best for Naruto to stay where he was until further notice.

she's my sister :3 so she picked a similar name we both WUV One piece.

but killing the toad....not cool :T that was the problem with danzou, if something wasn't going his way we would take extreme actions.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

she's my sister :3 so she picked a similar name we both WUV One piece.

but killing the toad....not cool :T that was the problem with danzou, if something wasn't going his way we would take extreme actions.

It was for a good cause.